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Los Angeles THREW AWAY all their RED-LIGHT cameras? 

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At one point, Los Angeles had over 100 cameras to catch red-light runners. Then the city tore 'em all out. Here's why.
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Research:
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"Police look to cameras to catch traffic violators"
The Los Angeles Times, 13 Jun 2000, p.B4A
"Voices: A Green Light on Red-Light Cameras"
The Los Angeles Times, 8 Sep 2001, p.B21
"Red-Light Cameras Focus of Disputes"
The Los Angeles Times, 18 Jul 2001, p.G2
"Police green light system"
The Los Angeles Times, Claremont-Upland Voice, 9 Jan 2004, p.A3
"Exposing Ticket Camera Flaws"
The Los Angeles Times, 24 Jul 2002, p.B7
"Red-light cameras catch right turns and lots of revenue"
The Los Angeles Times, Valley Edition, 19 May 2008, p.A1
"Red-light camera receipts up"
The Los Angeles Times, 24 Dec 2009, p.A3
"Tickets from L.A. red-light cameras often go unpaid"
The Los Angeles Times, 30 Sep 2010, p.AA6
"L.A. City Council shuts down red-light cameras"
The Los Angeles Times, 28 Jul 2011
www.latimes.com/local/la-xpm-...
"Turn for red-light camera cases"
The Los Angeles Times, 29 Mar 2012, p.AA3
"Los Angeles turns off red light cameras"
CBS News, 28 Jul 2011
• Los Angeles turns off ...
"L.A. pulls plug on red-light camera program"
CBS News, 28 Jul 2011
• L.A. pulls plug on red...
"Red Light Camera Use Decines After Outrage"
National Public Radio, 23 May 2016
www.npr.org/2016/05/23/479207...
Los Angeles City Council Meeting, 27 Jul 2011
lacity.granicus.com/MediaPlay...
Los Angeles Police Commission Meeting, 7 Jun 2011
lacity.granicus.com/MediaPlay...
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Red Light Robin Hood (0:00)
LA Ends Cameras (0:41)
History (1:49)
Revenue Sharing (3:09)
Three Types (5:46)
Red in Redding (7:18)
WeHo (9:26)
The Report (10:14)
The Commission (11:53)
Massachusetts (12:38)
Three Rules (13:12)
Coming Soon (15:27)

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@AbeBlinkin9
@AbeBlinkin9 Год назад
At one point in my career one of the counties that we oversaw wanted to install a new red light camera. They asked us (transportation department) to help come up with some good locations. I made a heatmap of all angle (t-bone) collisions and listed the most severe intersections for them. The local police department proceeded to completely ignore that list and advocated for placing the camera at one of the most congested, but low crash severity intersections in the county, making me realize that all they cared about was how many tickets they could write and they didn't care about the safety impact at all.
@gabrielchiu2650
@gabrielchiu2650 Год назад
thats sad
@MarkkuS
@MarkkuS Год назад
It's ridiculous that the police get the money.
@ways7163
@ways7163 Год назад
Policing for profit. It’s the same reason why the police will proceed to enact “speed enforcement” and pull radar on straight, tree-lined freeways with a 70 MPH speed limit, but they won’t do the same on residential thoroughfares that pass by schools and playgrounds. It’s all for potential revenue, not safety of the public.
@jimmynuetronrblx8628
@jimmynuetronrblx8628 Год назад
Maybe they thought that the busier intersections had more violations, and therefore we’re less safe?
@milliedragon4418
@milliedragon4418 Год назад
That's why I'm highly against quotas in police the US tends to have quotas for police officers because they make more money that way. On the flip side Japan tends to do the opposite and has quotas against arresting people and etc. Police job should just be what it's supposed to be and it is about protecting public safety and nothing more there should be no quotas. What's that about this too is cameras can actually be beneficial especially when a crime has recently been taken place they can be used to help either find a missing child. But instead they're used more often for petty offenses.
@crazycolbster
@crazycolbster Год назад
In my opinion, police funding should be entirely separate from tickets. We need to incentivize the police to keep us safe, not to fit their monthly quota
@bearcubdaycare
@bearcubdaycare Год назад
If an incentive to police traffic laws is desired, perhaps a bonus based on lower traffic accidents and fewer road deaths.
@crazycolbster
@crazycolbster Год назад
@@bearcubdaycare That actually sounds like a good idea
@TohaBgood2
@TohaBgood2 Год назад
@@bearcubdaycare Exactly! If you want to use incentives to achieve a particular goal, then why no base the incentives on the actual goal itself! I'm sure that there are plenty of ways for this to backfire too, but why not try it?
@sheeplord4976
@sheeplord4976 Год назад
@@TohaBgood2 because it was never about the safety
@douglasscott5623
@douglasscott5623 Год назад
Maybe we should knock off the "defund the police" crap...
@wetoolow8750
@wetoolow8750 Год назад
I remember that in Southern California, one of the first cities to get red light cameras was either Pasadena, or South Pasadena. One issue that made the news was a man who got a red light camera ticket when he was out of town. I think that back then (1980s) he had to go to the city or police station to see the photo. He saw in the photo a man who wasn’t himself driving his car with his wife in the passenger seat. It was how he discovered his wife was cheating on him.
@throwbacknba8259
@throwbacknba8259 Год назад
good call.
@OkieDokieSmokie
@OkieDokieSmokie Год назад
Should’ve pressed the police to arrest them for joyriding his vehicle. It’s his car, his insurance, not to mention his woman.
@zaco-km3su
@zaco-km3su 9 месяцев назад
@@OkieDokieSmokie His woman was in the car. It was considered that she gave him permission. Nice try. That guy that was in the car should pay the tickets.
@WhiskeyNixon
@WhiskeyNixon 4 месяца назад
I'd be mad she was cheating and twice as mad she let him drive my car.
@williamlulay7982
@williamlulay7982 Год назад
I got ticketed by a red light camera in San Mateo, California, a couple of decades ago. I didn't even know I got ticketed until eight months after the incident, when I received a notice of fines and penalties amounting to over $800, which amounted to a whole week's salary then. I was outraged! After some initial flailing around on where to go to find out why I never even received a summons for my red light violation, I ended up at the City of San Mateo Police Department front counter, which happened to be in the building right at the intersection of the red light I supposedly ran. Turns out the violation summons was actually issued by a company from some state in the southwest, either Nevada or New Mexico, NOT by the San Mateo Police Department. At the time, I received my mail at my Post Office Box, not at my street address, which didn't even have a mailbox or delivery to one. The P. O. Box is listed on all my DMV documents as a secondary address, the street address being the primary address, and all DMV mail listed both. After speaking with the officer in charge of red light camera citations, I discovered they sent the summons to my street address only, not listing my secondary address, and I lit into him after that, pointing out that the return address on the summonses this private company in the southwest sent out, was to the San Mateo Police Department, so they would have received the undeliverable mail, and known I was not notified, and they should have investigated further. I pointed out that I received ALL notices from the DMV, driver's License and Registrations, and even the county clerk managed to find my correct address to bill me for all the fines and charges for non-appearance, so why couldn't their police department find me to make sure I was served? There was no answer for that, and I found, since I was already convicted and the case closed, there was no appealing the decision. The deadline for paying the fines was approaching, and I received no contact from the police, nor did they respond to my inquiries, so I paid the fine, and a week or two later contacted the court clerk for a transcript of my trial, as I decided to sue the City in small claims court to retrieve my money. That's when I found out the charges were dropped, so the case, effectively, never happened, and I received my money back from the county within a week or two. I appreciated that, but I wish they would have kept me informed of what was going on. And, by the way, it was a right turn on red, with no other cars or pedestrians in the intersection.
@Andrew-wv7qp
@Andrew-wv7qp Год назад
I remember a news story that said a California town installed red light cameras, then reduced the yellow light time to increase the number of violations. The result was drivers began standing on their brakes anytime a light turned yellow, leading to an increase in rear-end collisions at the intersections.
@Dallas_K
@Dallas_K Год назад
Common Florida problem--short yellow followed by excessively long red.
@0xsergy
@0xsergy Год назад
@@Dallas_K on a timed light with noone at the other intersection? That shit just irks me
@happycamper5900
@happycamper5900 Год назад
Aurora, Colorado did the same thing. Reduced the yellow light time. Finally the people voted to get rid of red light cameras. Suddenly the yellow light time increased.
@javaman2883
@javaman2883 Год назад
Yep, a lot of rear-end collisions due to slamming brakes at yellow lights
@billhale9740
@billhale9740 Год назад
Well there you go it's my all about the money
@musclesmouse
@musclesmouse Год назад
Houston citizens got rid of ours. vetoed the council and mayor. When we revoked the red light cameras, Houston officials said they needed to make up $10Million in lost revenue to their budget. We citizens all just said, "I thought it was about safety and not revenue."
@mikew2928
@mikew2928 Год назад
Houston's red light camera contract stated that the city would have had to pay penalties if the cameras were removed prematurely. Later the state changed the laws for automated red light cameras so that there was no longer any penalty for not paying the fine.
@musclesmouse
@musclesmouse Год назад
@@mikew2928 I remember city had to pay penalty. I wanted politicians to be forced to pay it personally.
@mwhitelaw8569
@mwhitelaw8569 Год назад
What pissed me off the most was them altering light timing at every one of those intersections. Y'all remember how many trucks spilled loads? 40 tons can't stop that quick
@cameraredeye3115
@cameraredeye3115 Год назад
Meanwhile in Humble, TX, literally 20 miles north of downtown Houston...
@daexion
@daexion 10 месяцев назад
@@mwhitelaw8569 That happens a lot in which yellow lights have their timing reduced to generate more red-light tickets when red-light cameras are installed there.
@rando5673
@rando5673 Год назад
Wild and crazy idea: make yellow lights count down like crosswalks so people know if they'll make it or not
@JustinWangxxx
@JustinWangxxx Год назад
This is actually a thing in China! The length of the green, yellow, and red are all displayed in a countdown next to the light. Not sure if it can be implemented in the US since a lot of intersections (especially in suburban areas) rely on loop detectors and other methods to change the length of a green or red depending on the traffic.
@Nagranddan
@Nagranddan Год назад
I'd love to see this. The closest so far is seeing the countdown of the pedastrian "don't walk" sign - that's assuming there even is a visible countdown.
@SL-pg4dh
@SL-pg4dh Год назад
But that won't generate revenue. Can't have that.
@romanrat5613
@romanrat5613 11 месяцев назад
more cost
@michaelbuckers
@michaelbuckers 7 месяцев назад
In Russia all new lights show duration of green and red remaining. There isn't usually a predatory behavior with camera placement (unless it's a private speedcam) because the fines aren't generating much revenue due to smaller fines. Camera placement is usually in places with high risk of major accidents. Local highway near my town has 3 speedcams on the way to the next city over, all 3 are at bus stop crosswalks.
@coldwarrior23
@coldwarrior23 Год назад
A former editor for Motorcycle Consumer News had a fraudulent red light ticket thrown out after he proved mathematically that his position in each photo did not match the cameras company's claim. The judge factored in the fact that the camera co. received a substantial percentage of every guilty plea.
@rosco0101
@rosco0101 Год назад
I work in a law office. A couple years ago, an attorney who works there came in and said she's received a red light ticket from a camera near the office. The ticket had a link to video footage of the offense being committed. Sure enough, she had driven right through a red light without stopping, or hardly even slowing down for that matter. The kicker is that she didn't realize that a red light meant she had to stop. She thought a red light only required her to yield. This was a licensed attorney saying this. It's mind blowing to me that there are drivers on the road who don't realize that you're required to stop at red lights.
@rodchallis8031
@rodchallis8031 Год назад
I don't think it's honest ignorance. She made herself believe it because it suited the way she wanted to drive. That's kinda scary.
@HPD1171
@HPD1171 Год назад
stopping on right at red is something I was taught at drivers ED where I used to live in North Carolina. I specifically remember the instructor saying "treat a red signal as a stop sign when turning right or you WILL be ticketed." and I have done this my whole life; always coming to a stop with cars even beeping their horns behind me even though it is still illegal where I live. The police, however, just happen to be a lot more relaxed about it and for good reason as this is not where effort in law enforcement should be placed. I have never received a ticket of any kind, only one warning because I did not notice a speed reduction and the officer was actually very kind as she mentioned how often it happens there due to poor signage (the city later made it more obvious by moving the sign). so I am surprised that an "attorney" would not know this information about something as simple as right turn on red when that was literally the first thing I looked up under state law when I moved and in my case did not change. I still agree that this situation should be treated differently as there is much less risk involved in a right turn (assuming right hand traffic) so do not misunderstand me here. I am only questioning this individual's knowledge as an attorney and I would expect her to follow the law at least more precisely then I do given I have having no interest in practicing law.
@mysteriousjz
@mysteriousjz Год назад
Yes to make a right on Red, the signal works as "Stop" sign, meaning you must stop regardless of traffic/pedestrians or not, and then make right as you would do with Stop sign.
@ohjahohfrick9837
@ohjahohfrick9837 Год назад
Yea maybe we shouldn't design our cities in such a way that makes it all but mandatory that people like her have to drive.
@eurosonly
@eurosonly Год назад
Just another self entitled case ofive been doing this for x amount of years and I know what I'm doing. It's like when you have a doctor who smokes and drinks.
@frotoe9289
@frotoe9289 Год назад
Shoulda focused more on the cities that intentionally alter the light timing to generate more revenue. It's been documented multiple times. That 100% shoots a hole a truck can roll through into their claims that this is for safety. When you make the intersection less safe because you WANT people to run red lights, I believe you should be held criminally liable if something bad happens in that intersection.
@Dani98664
@Dani98664 Год назад
City of Gulf Breeze in FL does this.
@drakedbz
@drakedbz Год назад
He already has a video on this subject.
@angelgjr1999
@angelgjr1999 Год назад
@@Dani98664 Florida is notorious for this. We got a ticket for “running” a yellow light. Never going back to Florida.
@belovedone151
@belovedone151 Год назад
Yeah, that light MIS-timing bs is ridiculous. A smooth flow of traffic is good for the economy. Deliveries are made more expediently, etc...
@nl1317
@nl1317 Год назад
There is an intersection in Commerce, CA that does this. It would give the green light then start to change in something as short as 3 seconds.
@joeymartinezpalacios3234
@joeymartinezpalacios3234 Год назад
6:27 I thought I was trippen thats gta5 lol 😂😂😂 I’m weak it looks so realistic at first
@stitchfan_8290
@stitchfan_8290 Год назад
What bugs me is when I see a green light and start to go through, and it goes yellow as I am in the intersection. So I instinctively start to slow down before realizing that if I stop I will be in the middle and so I accelerate to get through and see the light go red as I go under it. Then I am left wondering if I will get a ticket for weeks.
@SL-pg4dh
@SL-pg4dh Год назад
Same. That's been me since they got me the first time.
@trualpha
@trualpha Год назад
if you are in the middle while crossing it dosent get you but if you are right before it will
@PsRohrbaugh
@PsRohrbaugh Год назад
We need to remove ALL revenue incentive from law enforcement! Whether it's civil asset forfeiture or red light cameras, government cannot come to depend on criminal activity as a source of revenue. That's WHY we pay taxes.
@domenik8339
@domenik8339 Год назад
It's not about funding, purely about greed. There are police officers out there making a quarter million a year.
@dr.floridaman4805
@dr.floridaman4805 Год назад
They create criminal activity by their unconstitutional laws. If they made a law that said it was illegal to be named Paul you would be a criminal. The government creates problems only to offer their solutions.
@springflowerblosomnorris9721
What kind of criminals don't depend on their crime for gain? What kind a crime is that, crime for pleasure?
@shelleythompson-brock6412
@shelleythompson-brock6412 Год назад
AMEN to that, brother! THAT is the real issue.
@cynicalcindy1434
@cynicalcindy1434 Год назад
There never should be a profit involved. The money causes the corruption 100% of the time
@VidClips858
@VidClips858 Год назад
The problem with a lot of these intersections is a lack of a green arrow when it is safe to roll through the turn.
@miles5600
@miles5600 Год назад
so replace it with gridsmart
@joshuaerickson2458
@joshuaerickson2458 Год назад
Some times the green arrow is a tyrant, at 2am you can just make a left turn, except this red light thinks it knows better for some reason. Motorcycles are not even detected by most lights because traffic engineers think they are a lesser people so you end up running lefts fairly often. Then your distinction between right and wrong starts to fade, then you join the Hell's Angels...
@spyone4828
@spyone4828 Год назад
I suspect that's intentional. If they put in a green arrow, then they can't ticket those people for running the red light.
@spyone4828
@spyone4828 Год назад
@@joshuaerickson2458 I have seen some new signals go up in my area - the left turn arrow can be red, green, or blinking yellow. A sign explains that the blinking yellow means that you are allowed to turn, but must yield to all other traffic so essentially turn at your own risk. For example, there is a nearby intersection where the main road has three settings: northbound and left turn arrow, north and southbound, then southbound and left turn arrow, then the side street, then repeat. The yellow arrow for southbound comes on shortly after the northbound green, but well before the southbound changes from red to green. Conversely, the northbound arrow switches from yellow to red when the northbound turns red, but then turns back to yellow a few seconds after the northbound arrow turns green. And in this state there is a law that motorcycles, mopeds, and bicycles may, if they have been at a light for two minutes or one complete cycle of the light (whichever comes first) and not had their light turn green, may proceed as if at a yield sign. So that solves your slide into lawlessness. ;)
@miles5600
@miles5600 Год назад
@@spyone4828 it’s not intentional cause that’s not allowed, they have certain strict timings to follow
@Riketorian
@Riketorian Год назад
I think this is a very important message that needs to spread. This needs to expand to speed cameras as well. New York City has implemented the most egregious camera program I have ever run across and I have fears this is going to spread across New York and the nation. The red light camera program on Long Island needs to come to an immediate end.
@mrmotofy
@mrmotofy Год назад
They have been ruled unconstitutional around the country. Who can you question in court? Who can prove that YOUR car and YOU were there? It's a violation of Due Process, a right we ALL to face and question our accuser
@harshbarj
@harshbarj Год назад
@@mrmotofy So, security camera footage can't be used then? I can rob a bank and if I get away I'm scot free because you can't use that camera's footage against me? Or does it just apply to drivers?
@mrmotofy
@mrmotofy Год назад
@@harshbarj Criminal law has a very different level of evidence than a traffic ticket. But there's similarities. If they don't have any other evidence other than a bank robber in a mask and say yes this the John Doe Bank Robber...very unlikely to get a conviction. They will work much harder to find evidence for a bank robbery especially since the Feds get involved. A red light ticket...they don't care so much for that $75 they might receive from it. I never said video can't be used...but they have to prove WHO the driver is...not just oh it's John Doe's car must be him. Or beyond a reasonable doubt the individual was in the car. For a bank robbery they may get a plate from every vehicle seen leaving the area, then get cell phone records...now they have an identity, then they check bank records. A walmart worker making $500/wk suddenly deposits $30k in cash when they've never done that before. Now they have a real suspect...then you get hauled in and interrogated. Then you can't explain where you just got the lump of cash. As they compare your size/weight to the bank video evidence and it matches...then they take it to court and let a jury decide is this the guy or not. In a traffic case like a red light or illegal turn...they won't waste that much time.
@PhysicsGamer
@PhysicsGamer Год назад
@@harshbarj Security cameras don't file tickets - someone has to actually go and look at them to use them as evidence.
@frigzy3748
@frigzy3748 Год назад
I lived in Belmont, CA when they dismantled all the red light cameras because data showed a significant increase in accidents, specifically, rear-ending type. The drivers were afraid to get a ticket for running on a yellow light and would slam the brakes causing a rear-ending.
@grahamlive
@grahamlive Год назад
Started off disagreeing with taking the cameras away. Then when I realised they’re there to generate profit for a private company, I’m all for their removal. When it’s “for profit” it becomes no longer about safety. Also “$500? What the hell’s that all about?
@PolarTrance
@PolarTrance Год назад
Private companies make the vast majority of the things they make for profit, and doing so doesn't make the product less useful or less good. A product can be about safety regardless of whether the company makes a profit off of it. Of all the reasons to change your mind on red light cameras, that's not a good one.
@grahamlive
@grahamlive Год назад
@@PolarTrance True but roads and the infrastructure around them should never be privately owned. They are an essential public service. Same should apply to rail. Energy supply and many other things.
@wowzers6178
@wowzers6178 Год назад
@@grahamlive You are correct. And what is MADDENING is these things WERE publicly owned entities. Until the 1980's when Americans were sold the dream of privatization. Now a few get rich off of what was once owned by the public.
@spyone4828
@spyone4828 Год назад
I have seen a news story about a city that changed how the cameras issued tickets specifically to compensate for the loss of revenue because they were working. I believe they contract there was that the company that owned the cameras got X% or a specific payment from the city, whichever was more. Tickets had dropped off to where the city was going to have to start paying. They had data that showed, if I recall correctly, that the vast majority of accidents were caused by cars running a light 5 seconds or more after it changed, so they had put in a 3 second "grace period" - the cameras would only photograph cars running the light more than 3 seconds after it changed. But because of the loss of revenue, they were shortening the grace period. It isn't about companies making profit: nearly everything is made by a company making a profit. Police cars and school buses are made by companies that make a profit, and there are systems designed to keep those profits "reasonable" (not that we shouldn't be monitoring those). But when cities are choosing the placement of cameras or the rules for what qualifies for a fine with an eye for generating revenue, things have gone horribly wrong,
@derbagger22
@derbagger22 Год назад
And that's the sad part. As someone who has followed the farce that red light and speed cameras were and are, that is all I have ever seen. It is almost never about safety for those "in the know" but making numbers work. That's it.
@RoadGuyRob
@RoadGuyRob Год назад
I'm first! YAY
@Davis9754
@Davis9754 Год назад
the uploader is first lol
@That-Guy_
@That-Guy_ Год назад
I feel there may have been some foul play involved in your comment being first. 🤔
@NexusO2-Golden_Knight
@NexusO2-Golden_Knight Год назад
Haha very funny
@common_c3nts
@common_c3nts Год назад
Did you run a red light to get here first. :-)
@blarghahragh
@blarghahragh Год назад
Brilliant.
@EricMilward
@EricMilward Год назад
Wow... I'm really impressed by the production quality of this video. I felt like I was watching a traditional TV news special. I really enjoyed this. Definitely liking and subscribing!
@commandohazelnuts
@commandohazelnuts Год назад
You've found a new fan. Love seeing my backyard online, and this was a great, highly informative upload!
@MamaLs_Reverbs
@MamaLs_Reverbs Год назад
I know this is a educational video, but I love how he uses GTA for some example videos😂
@leerainsdon9491
@leerainsdon9491 Год назад
I was thinking I must play too much GTA 5. I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed this in a few clips.
@williamhaynes7089
@williamhaynes7089 Год назад
well for simple street scenes it works, just wish trevor was driving car
@juandiegosapotec
@juandiegosapotec Год назад
In San Diego, the company installing the red light cameras was found to be shortening the yellow light times...
@lilmoeszyslak4810
@lilmoeszyslak4810 Год назад
The city of fullerton got sued and removed them shortly afterwards. Around the same time, my grandfather got a ticket for a rolling right turn in whittier and i helped him fight it. On the court date, the ticket was automatically dismissed. My guess they got sued as well since the cameras where also removed days before the court date
@faervas1234
@faervas1234 Год назад
What gets me is how many people don't know you are suppose to stop before making a turn. They think they just need to yield.
@alhutchison447
@alhutchison447 Год назад
In the Phoenix area all the 'red light' cameras are also speed cameras. Go through the intersection at more than 10 HPH over the speed limit on a green light it is a ticket. Mesa and Scottsdale also do mid-block (not intersection) cameras. Scottsdale is in long straightaways. Mesa is common in the 35 MPH school zone (not sure what if any threshold there is on those). At one time we even had speed cameras on the freeways, that was outlawed fairly quickly. In the last week the AZ Legislator is trying to push through a bill which would ban the cameras all together.
@TheDarkfighter101
@TheDarkfighter101 Год назад
I literally got into an argument about this during a road trip this week. I have always thought of the Cameras as revenue generators. The profit split with the manufacturers is extremely surprising to me and cements that thought in my head. Thanks for the video Rob. Great information as always!
@guy-sl3kr
@guy-sl3kr Год назад
Right? Talk about a conflict of interest. Makes you wonder if these laws were put in place out of incompetence or greed.
@TohaBgood2
@TohaBgood2 Год назад
Still doesn't mean that there shouldn't be red light cameras if they really do reduce accident rates. They should have just fixed the perverse incentives with the whole money making aspect. They are throwing away the baby with the bathwater.
@Minecraftian2345432
@Minecraftian2345432 Год назад
Even if you split the profit, it's still generating money for the city. If a private company pays to install the camera, even if the city only gets like 30% of the money after the company and state get their cut, the city is still making money they wouldn't have at no cost to them (assuming you don't have a minimum revenue clause built into the contract with the camera company).
@gameguild1555
@gameguild1555 Год назад
Lucky you can stop that revenue generators, by just following the law. Strange thing that manufacturers get a little of the money, but knowing that tax for road use is otherwise in the US I understand that some states do this. In The Netherlands I pay to use the road, so I'm allowed do drive on it and with that money they can fix/upgrade the road. Amount differs per car by weight, 2nd car I paid 204,- per quarter and now 82.-
@themadmallard
@themadmallard Год назад
@@TohaBgood2 The manufacturer poisoned the well with the public. There was active collusion taking place, where the goal was not to create a safer traffic outcome, but to generate money that would be used to pay for the aforementioned tech and pay the government. Any kind of benefit of the doubt afforded the use of the tech is likely irreparably damaged, and justifiably so. Even if that didnt persuade you, then ponder this: Why is the redlight cam tech after year 2000 still so expensive it needs to be effectively "leased"? Why wouldn'tve it become affordable in the last 20 years to have the city owning that tech still?
@reedberry
@reedberry Год назад
As a traffic school instructor of 30 years, and known professionally as "The Traffic Guy," I'm quite familiar with the rise and fall of the red light cameras. When you mentioned West Hollywood, it brought back a memory. In the late 1990s when the red light cameras were about to debut in WeHo, I was doing a talk radio show in L.A. that focused on driving issues. So, needless to say, my co-host and I were invited to a "Red Light Camera Launch Party" for the press at one of several WeHo camera locations. Balloons, food, beverages...all to celebrate the city's new cash generators!
@tribalismblindsthembutnoty124
I worked for a large company that ordered 450 balloons just before they broke off that division and sold it to the main competitor, who locked the doors on the entire sales division when they showed up for work that monday. The balloons were a cheap way of convincing the employees to keep going right up until the purchase. 6 months prior to the 'name change' they required all the employees to sell their stock, which was then vacuumed up by the company itself. I am sure they knew the exact moment the bulk went up for sale. I was there 1 year. At that 6 month mark they made them sell their stock back. Obama was elected. Crash happened. All of my 401k was bought just after the crash and matched by the company. By the time I cashed it out, it was worth 4x what I put in to it during that period. If you are a usa citizen, it is your RIGHT to own a brokerage account. It also gives you a bird eye view on business and politics. I wasn't one of the ones that monday.
@harryballsacky
@harryballsacky Год назад
I'M THE TRAFFIC GUY...YOUR AN IMPOSTOR
@reedberry
@reedberry Год назад
@@harryballsacky Hardly, but whatever.
@shelleythompson-brock6412
@shelleythompson-brock6412 Год назад
@@harryballsacky *you're
@jovetj
@jovetj Год назад
My uncle in the panhandle of Nebraska got a toll violation ticket for some toll booth in New York several years ago. The automated license plate system seemed to think that the license plate number belonged to his car. He's never been to New York. This isn't a red light camera but it's the same kind of thing: failed automation, failed citizenry.
@Croissinate
@Croissinate Год назад
Just saw this video in my feed so I'm not familiar with this channel at all, but holy crap you're a good presenter. The editing of this video was amazing as well.
@YounesLayachi
@YounesLayachi Год назад
Instant subscribe. You deserve at minimum 10x the subscribers :D
@pattyjay9999
@pattyjay9999 Год назад
Revenue based policing doesn’t have anything to do with safety❗️
@liamtahaney713
@liamtahaney713 Год назад
literally spit my water out at the west Hollywood joke. fantastic video as always
@Jomskylark
@Jomskylark Год назад
That was genius
@ScottWallace5
@ScottWallace5 Год назад
That's the one joke I didn't get 😅
@mirzaahmed6589
@mirzaahmed6589 Год назад
@@ScottWallace5 There are many gay people in West Hollywood (i.e. not straight).
@ScottWallace5
@ScottWallace5 Год назад
@@mirzaahmed6589 Ohh okay haha 🤣 Thank you for explaining it, that was funny
@lateral1385
@lateral1385 Год назад
Thank you for adding captions.
@ruperterskin2117
@ruperterskin2117 Год назад
Right on. Thanks for sharing.
@blarghahragh
@blarghahragh Год назад
The concept that fines and punishment are being considered revenue is absurd and disgusting. Just another arm of the for-profit prison system. Thank you for another wonderful video. Hope to see you next month!
@garcjr
@garcjr Год назад
Traffic calming would also do a lot more to reduce red light running and speeding. Excellent video as always.
@miles5600
@miles5600 Год назад
traffic calming is still a very rare thing in the US but it'll become more populair in the coming decades.
@troyjollimore4100
@troyjollimore4100 Год назад
We have automobiles the safest, fastest and most efficient as they’ve ever been. So we lower speed limits to walking pace because we can’t be bothered to make sure drivers are actually competent… 🤦‍♂️
@miles5600
@miles5600 Год назад
@@troyjollimore4100 efficient? Bruh it’s bankrupting cities and states 😭😂
@troyjollimore4100
@troyjollimore4100 Год назад
@@miles5600 What is bankrupting them? You’re saying that having a 300HP vehicle that can haul several in relative comfort with all of their stuff and still return 25+ MPG isn’t efficient?
@garcjr
@garcjr Год назад
@@troyjollimore4100 You're right about the automobiles. However the US doesn't have disciplined drivers. Traffic calming forces drivers to slow down and pay attention (hopefully).
@CullenCraft
@CullenCraft Год назад
Love your channel thanks
@LuficariusRatspeed
@LuficariusRatspeed Год назад
I think the reason why I love your videos so much is that constant trollface you're giving us. 😁
@kevinsnell1622
@kevinsnell1622 Год назад
I’ve trained myself to focus on the red light or stop sign and obey them first feeling my car stop. THEN, I look at traffic and my opportunity to safely proceed.
@vectorvictor6181
@vectorvictor6181 Год назад
congrats you've passed like step 3 of driver school keep at it and you can get a license.
@joshuaerickson2458
@joshuaerickson2458 Год назад
I do the same, one task at a time is better for stops, preparing for what is immediately in front of you. So annoying seeing people slow enough to see you coming and think, "oh crap I got to get in front of that person," then pull in front of you and immediately stop in the middle of the highway! I don't think red light camera's are the way to go though. I end up floring it any time I'm in the in between spot. Only concern I have then is not to get a ticket.
@Eric_Tennant
@Eric_Tennant Год назад
@@joshuaerickson2458 Highway ramp reds I run 100% of the time if no cops are around.
@joshuaerickson2458
@joshuaerickson2458 Год назад
@@Eric_Tennant I haven't seen a red light camera on a highway on ramp yet. I don't mind those too much as they should only come on when there is heavy traffic on the highway.
@marktwain2053
@marktwain2053 Год назад
Oh, you mean you actually learned how to drive, the alternative of now, when they just teach how to aim?
@itsnotme07
@itsnotme07 Год назад
Hey Rob....cool video. Texas banned red light cameras statewide back in 2019. Never bothered me much, but I'm glad they are all gone.
@MrMatteNWk
@MrMatteNWk Год назад
Texas and New Jersey don't agree on much, but they've both banned red light cameras. Good.
@aygwm
@aygwm Год назад
Red light cameras in Texas? Surprised they were built in the first place.
@parttimehuman
@parttimehuman Год назад
@@aygwm They probably figured they get enough revenue from having the most speed traps.
@bwame
@bwame Год назад
I live in South Carolina. Apparently we have a law that bans red light cameras! Who knew! A lot of cities/towns have cameras at intersections but I suppose it is only for accidents or traffic reports? I don't run red lights so have no did not realize the cameras were not for red light cameras. Sweet video! I subscribed.
@JustaGuy_Gaming
@JustaGuy_Gaming Год назад
The biggest point of this story is how willfully ignorant those politicians were. To vote unanimously against traffic cameras after a civilian brought some data forward really shows how little they look into things they vote on without outside influence.
@georgekarnezis4311
@georgekarnezis4311 Год назад
Rob thank you for this follow up story to red light cameras. It was super informative and extremely timely given the number of red light runners there seem to be. I’m talking about the straight through type. I just wanted to let you know that the story of on ramp lights was never finished. The minis oat experiment to remove them was only hinted to in your video never fully explored.
@ouch1011
@ouch1011 Год назад
I just drove through DT LA a couple days ago. There are so many intersections there where, during the middle of the day, especially left turns, it’s almost impossible to make it through the light without going during that gap between when your light changes and the cross traffic starts moving. Some of the red light running I saw was very excessive and inexcusable, but there were some instances where I had to run red lights because I had already been sitting at the light through several cycles. Very poor city planning in my opinion.
@the_mowron
@the_mowron Год назад
When you are the first car in line, you "take the intersection". This means you pull out into the intersection when you have the green light, but you don't begin your left turn yet. When the light turns red, you have already entered the intersection on green and you have the right to complete your left turn legally. Always take that intersection. This is taught to every commercial truck driver. Left turns in a tractor trailer would never happen without this technique.
@mind-of-neo
@mind-of-neo Год назад
@@the_mowron I always do this too!
@Kleinage
@Kleinage Год назад
@@the_mowron I grew up in OC with some well designed spacious cities. When I married and moved to Long Beach, my wife had to teach me how to take the intersection. It felt very weird at first but now that I’ve lived in LA county for 7 years I can’t imagine driving any other way.
@lakt2136
@lakt2136 Год назад
As stated by the City of Los Angeles Council - July 31, 2011 @ 12:00 AM Red Light Camera plugs were pulled out ! It's been 10 plus years since that day. I noticed on 1st Street & Mission Road going East Bound towards Boyle Heights there are still signages & cameras still attached to poles. This is the place LA Metro Train goes through. Why is that ?
@Thatone_Dude21
@Thatone_Dude21 Год назад
Thank you for this great video
@dan_youtube
@dan_youtube Год назад
Great video Rob
@thekaempfer
@thekaempfer Год назад
Thank you for providing such high quality information to the people. You single-handedly improve public traffic policy just a little bit with every video you release.
@yogoombah2356
@yogoombah2356 Год назад
Rear-end collisions caused by drivers breaking too early when the light turned yellow in fear of getting a ticket was another BIG issue.
@logtron
@logtron Год назад
Those might increase but these cameras significantly reduce both T-bone and pedestrian fatalities. Over there is a significant safety benefit when applied to dangerous intersections.
@Lex-Rex
@Lex-Rex Год назад
@@logtron F*ck the nanny state.
@hi-kt3qr
@hi-kt3qr Год назад
So that’s somehow the red light cameras fault that’s just greed
@hi-kt3qr
@hi-kt3qr Год назад
@Phillip Banes exactly all these assholes be tailgating then complain when the person in front of them brakes
@giggity4670
@giggity4670 Год назад
Americans really dont like it when people break or slow down as rear end collision is bad in america everywhere else people just stop or slow down as seen so many dash cam vids on youtube of americans just full speed rear end people as brake lights means nothing to them think the driving test for licence needs to change and teach more people about braking when car in front slows or stops that will solve that issue.
@jaydeeppimpalapure1293
@jaydeeppimpalapure1293 Год назад
This video is awesome, and that West Hollywood joke was spot on
@Savvy-jj6mm
@Savvy-jj6mm Год назад
I've been subscribed for two years, and you should have over 100k subscribers already... You ever think about hiring an editor even though I know you're a good editor, you be able to pump out the videos faster...
@calex007
@calex007 Год назад
This is really truly an amazing, informative and entertaining video. Great job Rob! Looking forward to seeing the next one!
@rodchallis8031
@rodchallis8031 Год назад
Ontario introduced red light cameras some time ago. The difference here is that traffic tickets are a Provincial Offense, and ticket revenue goes to the general coffers of the province, not the municipality. That's why we don't have "speed trap towns". (although, that doesn't mean the O.P.P. doesn't set up where the speed limit changes coming into a town) Having revenue going to the camera company, and to the municipality is a systemic conflict of interest which any honest decision maker would have seen from the start and rejected out of hand.
@alb12345672
@alb12345672 Год назад
Albany, NY set up 30 cameras. They expected 1mil/yr, but never saw a dime. The company takes their cut per camera and it never went above it. They also have to have a police officer sign off on it. If you get it a ticket, you really ran a light.
@Globodyne
@Globodyne Год назад
But we do have speed cameras as well as artificially low speed limits where 99.99% of all drivers, including police exceed. They are going to be much more common going forward as they are a much bigger scam/ revunue generator.
@rodchallis8031
@rodchallis8031 Год назад
True, and don't get me started on speed limits here, I'm irked at the mere mention. I pity the odd American driving on the 401 at 100kph speed limit and wondering why they're getting all the unfriendly stink eye.
@timothylegg
@timothylegg Год назад
The USA doesn't have issues with conflict of interest. It's everyday business with them
@rodchallis8031
@rodchallis8031 Год назад
@@timothylegg Well, I wouldn't say Canada is a bright light on that score, either, but I agree, it seems to be just the way business is done in the States.
@Pleboffe811
@Pleboffe811 Год назад
You are the man Rob!
@traffic.engineer
@traffic.engineer Год назад
For many places, it was not even the complaints of civilians ticketed that shut down the red-light camera program. It was maintaining and renewing the contract with Redflex, ATS, etc., that was a pain. To tje point where the engineer's primary duty was to maintain the program.
@Surrepturus
@Surrepturus Год назад
Your videos are so good, and extremely insightful. Thank you!
@BenAgain452
@BenAgain452 Год назад
People not stopping for right on red make biking on roadside multi-use trails with crossrides incredibly dangerous, that's why I've switched to riding on the street.
@spyone4828
@spyone4828 Год назад
I have had a car turning right on red run over my bike as I crossed in a crosswalk on a clearly marked bicycle path/sidewalk. I managed to get off my bike as it was pushed under the car. I agree with both sides here: failing to stop before a right on red is not a victimless crime, and needs widespread enforcement to stem the tide of people for whom it has become habitual. Same for stopping blocking the crosswalk, or really any stop that is not wholly behind the stop line as required by law. We have gotten to where many pedestrians cannot or will not cross if there are cars trying to turn right. But it isn't nearly as big a crime as the people who blow straight through a red light at the speed limit, and the punishment should not be the same.
@DerKatzeSonne
@DerKatzeSonne Год назад
This video just shows how crazy car centric the US is. Fuck bikes, fuck pedestrians. They are not seen equal to car drivers. That sucks. All the arguments about "but there is nobody around, why should I be ticketed when doing a rolling right on red?" - yeah, why not continue right straight through the intersection, if there's a red light and there's nobody around? Because it's IMPOSSIBLE to see and understand the whole situation within fractions of a second, especially without stopping! So stupid and dangerous. (The funding going partly to a private company, though...)
@logan_wolf
@logan_wolf Год назад
@@spyone4828 Not just for pedestrians, but stopping behind the line is important in tight intersections for semis and busses to make left turns. Nobody seems to care that those lines are there for a reason. That's why whenever I pull up behind someone who's stopped over the crosswalk, I leave plenty of room between us, so that if the situation arises where they're forced to accept that they're an idiot and have to back up out of the way, they can do so without having to wait for a long line of cars behind them to back up in turn.
@angelgjr1999
@angelgjr1999 Год назад
Right on red is legal in most states. Make sure you’re visible and bring a horn to make yourself know to cars with blind spots.
@BenAgain452
@BenAgain452 Год назад
@@angelgjr1999 Right on red is legal, but at least here in Ontario you have to first come to a stop behind the stop line. Most people rocket into the pedestrian and bike crossing, only looking left for car traffic, intending not to stop at all if there's no cars in the way. Not a second of thought for pedestrians or cyclists.
@joshdavis73
@joshdavis73 Год назад
Excellent content
@BackSeatJunkie
@BackSeatJunkie Год назад
In my burg, the first two tickets issued got thrown out of court because a lawyer showed up to dispute the system. Later the city got caught shortening the length of the yellow lights to increase the probability of red-light runners. The first two locations were not the locations with the greatest amount of crashes. The two locations were the primary access points to our burg's version of the ghetto. The company which owned the system was headquartered in Europe and they got most of the revenue generated from the tickets. Columbia, MO no longer has any red-light runner cameras.
@dawson3089
@dawson3089 Год назад
Oh my gosh what a great surprise! A Road Guy Rob video!
@warw
@warw Год назад
Please more perspectives from people who walk or bike and how it interferes with them. I love that you included one in this video, but even more is better :)
@OgdenM
@OgdenM Год назад
I've almost been hit while walking by SO many people that roll through red lights on right hand turns. I'm personally all for traffic cameras enforcing the law.
@wolu9456
@wolu9456 Год назад
people who use crosswalks at intersections deserve to learn the hard way.
@johnpolsen
@johnpolsen Год назад
@@wolu9456 ???
@donuthole7236
@donuthole7236 Год назад
I've been driving in LA for 23 years and let me tell you the vast majority motorist are pretty good drivers. Sure, there are a percentage who are oblivious to their surrounds, but most are pretty "spot on" and act accordingly or everyone's commute will be a nightmare. I see thousands of cars every day and commute many miles, but accidents are actually rare which is amazing considering the environment and the potential for hazards. Red light cameras were nothing more than government fleecing its citizens for money everyone knows that.
@marktwain2053
@marktwain2053 Год назад
Things must have changed a LOT since the last time I drove in LA. The traffic, and the kamikaze drivers, was more than enough to convince me to never go back. Of course, I wouldn't go ANYWHERE in the People's Democratic Republic of Mexifornia anymore, so I guess it's a moot point.
@donuthole7236
@donuthole7236 Год назад
@@marktwain2053 Some people perception is different from others with regard to LA drivers. From a political perspective we are on the exact same page!
@DanielleWhite
@DanielleWhite Год назад
When I lived in Texas there was an intersection that had a camera which was removed after the state prohibited enforcement of such tickets but the bizarre light timing remained. It was a T intersection with not even a private driveway across the top of the T but that direction got a short green then red when the opposing direction got a green.
@Gonzo13eth
@Gonzo13eth Год назад
When I moved a few years ago, I was surprised to find a stack of almost a dozen red light tickets in my mail, all arrived at once for turning right on red at the same intersection. Ended up having them all thrown out because the intersection was not properly signed to indicate it was photo enforced.
@xliquidflames
@xliquidflames Год назад
What an interesting video. I had never even considered these cameras could be used for anything other than stopping red light running. Also, I suddenly want to play GTA5.
@alwaysplaythegame
@alwaysplaythegame Год назад
A city near me installed red light cameras and got public approval by saying that they were only a $40 fine with 0 points... Then 2 years later raised the fine to a standard red light infraction ($200+). Then they shortened the yellow light time to 3s on all of the lights to catch more that weren't quite making it through in time.
@PAHighlander24
@PAHighlander24 4 месяца назад
Thus proving it had nothing to do with safety and was all about revenue.
@pocky2229
@pocky2229 Год назад
I only need .00006 seconds of footage to recognize that GTA5😂😂 great video
@specialopsdave
@specialopsdave Год назад
Maybe if there was no profit incentive, they would actually time the yellows long enough for the red light cameras to not be a problem. The cameras are a good idea; Incentivizing manufacturers to create unsafe signalling is not
@TohaBgood2
@TohaBgood2 Год назад
Yep! It looks to me like the red light cameras did work. But once you mix all the perverse incentives, the cities basically started misusing them to milk more money to pay for the camera contract. But that only happened because delinquency rates dropped to nothing. That's objectively a good thing! They should have kept the cameras and fixed the perverse incentives instead. This was a dumb fix to a dumb problem that the cities created themselves.
@karlkoehler341
@karlkoehler341 Год назад
@@TohaBgood2 Delinquency rates are not zero. The story though doesn't surprise me in the least. I know of at least one such intersection with such a stupid camera nearby .. catching rolling right turns where there is usually not much else going on. Safety should win, not money-making. For the dangerous right turns .. the best remedy seems to be to make the turn more sharp, eliminate the right-turn yield-bypass. Voila, and doesn't even need a camera.
@SL420-
@SL420- Год назад
Funny that you see yellow light runners as victims of a system instead of the problem that requires a resolution.
@chijason6630
@chijason6630 Год назад
In fact, Chicago has a large red light camera (and speed camera) system, and almost every yellow light is timed to 3.0 seconds - the bare minimum recommended for a signed 30 mph road. With drivers often going 35 - 40 mph on the wider arterial roads, the short yellow lights create a larger dilemma zone, leading to more tickets (not to mention leaving less time for pedestrians and cyclists to make it across the street during a yellow light). By contrast, the adjacent suburb of Oak Park has streets in a similar urban environment (25 - 30 mph), and their yellow lights are 4.0 - 4.5 seconds long, which gives more time for drivers to make a decision whether or not to stop at the yellow light.
@specialopsdave
@specialopsdave Год назад
@@SL420- If the yellow is 2 seconds, even you would run the red, or risk getting rear-ended
@landonkryger
@landonkryger Год назад
Ah-ha! I thought I saw you a month or two ago on the I5 bridge, but I had talked myself out of believing it. Can't wait for that video.
@Zewerr
@Zewerr 4 месяца назад
Fife, WA realized how much they were making off their first camera, they installed a handful more, focusing on dinging right turn on red violators. They also installed a speed camera on a road that has no posted speed limit.
@cameronvalencia6023
@cameronvalencia6023 Год назад
Great freaking video
@Croz89
@Croz89 Год назад
This has got me thinking, is there a real safety benefit to instructing a complete stop at intersections with good visibility? When I'm from (the UK) the philosophy is stop signs should only be put in when the junction is exceptionally dangerous, usually because the view of the main road is restricted. I can only think of one junction in my local areas that has one, all the rest are yield (or "give way" as we call it). Drivers are expected to slow down usually to speeds below 15 mph, and learners are instructed to do so. Effectively we make "rolling stops" legal on 99% of junctions and rely on drivers good judgment. Then again, we don't allow left on red so we're not necessarily more lenient.
@Krieghandt
@Krieghandt Год назад
There is a town in Texas where EVERY intersection is an all way stop. Not only annoying, but hard on your car as well.
@Allan_son
@Allan_son Год назад
Every municipality should need to pay $10K per year per stop sign. 90% of stop signs are a indication of a road design failure, so the money should go into a fund to mitigate those failures.
@blakeh95
@blakeh95 Год назад
American drivers don't know what yield/"give way" means. If they actually yielded to pedestrians and cyclists, then fine, I wouldn't have a problem with it. In fact, many intersections in my area actually do have yield signs for the slip lanes for right turns, which overrides the stop requirement. But drivers don't actually yield at them, except to other drivers (because that might hurt their precious car).
@danieldaniels7571
@danieldaniels7571 Год назад
@@blakeh95 I wish I could upvote this more. As a pedestrian I've been hit on the sidewalk by cars coming out of driveways that were only looking for other cars.
@Croz89
@Croz89 Год назад
@@Allan_son I wish they'd at least put in stop bars across the road. I've been caught out in the US before not seeing the STOP sign because I'm so used to seeing markings in the road (luckily my passenger pointed it out!).
@kenbrown2808
@kenbrown2808 Год назад
I don't know if the rule has changed, but when I was young, California allowed a right turn without stopping as long as it was safe to make the turn. hence the common term, "california stop" to refer to such a right turn.
@mysteriousjz
@mysteriousjz Год назад
I would think, red light would work as Stop sign. On a Stop sign, you must stop regardless, and so would be the ligic here, and actually even more so because traffic light means more traffic concerns than those at local Stop signs.
@bluered1322
@bluered1322 Год назад
I never knew that's where california stop came from. I always assumed it meant drivers in california are known for just not stopping all the way 😆
@troyjollimore4100
@troyjollimore4100 Год назад
Yes, this is a common fallacy. I’ve met driving INSTRUCTORS that believe something is Law, because they and most other drivers have always done it…
@blakeh95
@blakeh95 Год назад
The rule hasn't changed, because it has never been allowed. What people do in practice is not the same as what the law states. CVC has never allowed for a "rolling" stop. Stop means stop. There's no such thing as a rolling stop.
@danieldaniels7571
@danieldaniels7571 Год назад
@@bluered1322 you assumed correct
@rudder727
@rudder727 Год назад
Here in Tennessee we have red light cameras (and speed cameras). We also have a state law that says if you get a red-light ticket you do not have to pay and the city that put it up cannot come after you to collect. Basically if you pay the ticket it is a donation. The reason being is the evidence is sent to a third party to generate the ticket and the ticket is issued against the owner of the car whether they were driving or not. So basically a driver has to prove his innocence rather than the government having to prove guilt. So screw your red light cameras.
@yourguidetorights3909
@yourguidetorights3909 Год назад
Like the suggestions on how to punish violators. Set by seriousness of infractions.
@ipeters61
@ipeters61 Год назад
What bothers me with these cameras is that, where I live, they don't factor in the mandatory 1 or 2-second "clearance period" where all lights are red, between each phase (this is literally stated in the state's highway design manual). I've gotten one red light camera ticket and it was 0.6 seconds after the light went red. I had a friend who got a ticket 0.1 seconds after it went red. We were in grad school at the time, so it wasn't like we were rolling in money....
@emmanuelplows8516
@emmanuelplows8516 Год назад
And this is why there are amber lights before it turns red
@btat16
@btat16 Год назад
@@emmanuelplows8516 How long is the amber light on?
@DerKatzeSonne
@DerKatzeSonne Год назад
@@btat16 I bet that's defined by law and enough time to make a safe stop. I've seen enough videos from the US with loooong yellow lights to disbelieve anyone saying otherwise. Not one yellow light that is just there for half a second or so. Stop finding excuses. Just drive properly and safe.
@Yay295
@Yay295 Год назад
@@emmanuelplows8516 There are?
@logtron
@logtron Год назад
Maybe you should try not running red lights?
@matthewr21
@matthewr21 Год назад
4) No revenue sharing agreements. They are a clear conflict of interest. Cities should buy the cameras outright. Sure, this is expensive, but I'd rather have a situation where the city knows they have the money to put in , say, 3 cameras and looks at where they will be most effective than peppering the city with dozens and dozens of "free" cameras tuned to generate maximum revenue.
@spyone4828
@spyone4828 Год назад
It kinda has the same problem. Do you think the city is going to put those three cameras where they will prevent the most accidents, or where they will issue the most tickets? Cities have come to view law enforcement, especially traffic laws, as a way to make money. And that needs to stop. There is a town in Ohio that has no taxes at all, and generates its entire income by issuing traffic tickets on a couple of miles of Interstate highway that passes through town. It has been that way for decades.
@matthewr21
@matthewr21 Год назад
@@spyone4828 Well, the first point in the video is that cities should not be allowed to touch the money. But personally, I think letting the state government squander it or letting it collect dust forever isn't great. Rather, it should be paid out to the city's victims of red light runners. Basically, if you're injured by someone who ran a red light in that city, you get a cut of the fines collected. If that's not possible, maybe use it for a program to buy school supplies for children or something. But whatever is done with it, *not one cent* can go to the city police department budget. Basically, traffic enforcement needs to be viewed as an expense designed to increase safety. Even trying to frame it as revenue-neutral is problematic.
@matthewr21
@matthewr21 Год назад
Also, the pervasive "small town foists its public expenses onto unsuspecting motorists" problem has to stop. While I don't have a solution, I do know it is due in large part to decades of systematic industrial disinvestment in rural America. These towns are doing this not just out of greed, but because they and their residents have no money to pay for their public infrastructure needs, there are no tourists and no real industry, so traffic enforcement is their last available avenue to balance the budget.
@MonkeyJedi99
@MonkeyJedi99 Год назад
That guy in Massachusetts needs to learn more about what makes an intersection safe. And it's not cameras. It's using the minimum signage necessary, clear sight lines, clear lane markings, appropriate speed limits, and removing as much as possible that adds to confusion and information overload. A camera doesn't make it safer to cross the road, it just helps your family find the right person to sue for killing you.
@rubikp
@rubikp Год назад
I remember while ago was a story of one of the first cameras were installed in Washington DC, if I am not mistaken, that was keep on writing citations wrong. They took down the camera, but people never got their money back. So I would like to know more about who was responsible for that and how they solved that issue. Thank you for your unbiased opinion.
@ninjanerdstudent6937
@ninjanerdstudent6937 Год назад
If there is red light camera, I just stop for green. There is no law that forces drivers to turn on red. Turning on red is entirely optional.
@domenik8339
@domenik8339 Год назад
Same. I've heard far too many stories about red lights that were "accidentally" timed wrong, and will ticket on a yellow.
@OgdenM
@OgdenM Год назад
Actually, you probably could get pulled over for obstruction of traffic if you're causing traffic to back up.
@james3178
@james3178 Год назад
I had a bunch of these tickets piled up in my hometown, greedy ol hypocritical Nassau County, NY. I eventually went to court after I moved upstate where there are no cameras, My attorney asked me to request to face my accuser. The judge gave both my attorney and I an attitude (showing what the intention is with these), but we persisted and got them all thrown away. Scam camera cannot testify 😂
@K1ng0fW1nd
@K1ng0fW1nd Год назад
The cameras were always causing issues plus my city placed them along the freeways and every year around Christmas someone dressed up as Santa clause and placed boxes designed as gift boxes on top of the cameras
@drivestowork
@drivestowork Год назад
Council Bluffs, Iowa LOVES that cash cow!!! It's big business! I got a ticket a few months ago for blowing a red at midnight in the rain... the ticket I got in the mail had 4 (FOUR!?!) different addresses!? The return address on the envelope was different from the, "mail-questions-here" address on the letter. That was different from the "send-your-money-here" address. And finally the address of the counciltucky, IA Treasurer's Office! Two in Seattle, another somewhere in Missouri and Counciltucky, IA.
@JimEatsPlants
@JimEatsPlants Год назад
"Running right on red is not dangerous when no one is around", people get in a habit of no stopping. As a pedestrian, drivers running right on red is dangerous and makes walking a more unappealing option. Usually drivers running right on red are looking left, and not looking for pedestrians.
@danieldaniels7571
@danieldaniels7571 Год назад
As a frequent pedestrian I wish I could upvote this more.
@Schlabbeflicker
@Schlabbeflicker Год назад
Roundabouts are even worse. Drivers treat yield signs like "go faster" signs. At night, the fact that they turn their headlights at an angle means they can't even see pedestrians moments before they turn into them. People are supposed to slow down or stop at intersections, but they begin to learn to implicitly assume that there are never pedestrians or bicyclists on the road. Rolling turns are a dangerous habit to tolerate if you want to make cities pedestrian- and cyclist-friendly.
@x--.
@x--. Год назад
I have been hit by a right-turning driver. It was gentle but surprising, they were, of course, looking for oncoming traffic. But I've also seen the red light camera clearly designed to capture right-turn-on-red-slow-roll at an intersection where the signals are so poorly timed that often times the traffic is blocked on the green so you have to go during the red. I never got one of those tickets but I've definitely very-slowly-rolled through other intersections where I've visually cleared the intersection. Balance, please. Just balance.
@kurtwetzel154
@kurtwetzel154 Год назад
It’s awful trying to cross a busy intersection when cars are turning right. You cross straight where cars can turn right. Most of them don’t stop,or toiled to you walking. You have to wait or you will get hit.
@bucktooth002
@bucktooth002 Год назад
Not true, pedestrians are first.
@stuckincommiefornia
@stuckincommiefornia Год назад
Hahaha I see that GTA 5 footage. Perfect place to simulate traffic incidents and dangerous driving.
@Marconius6
@Marconius6 Год назад
That online dating example is spot on... and exactly how modern dating apps like Tinder work.
@-.._.-_...-_.._-..__..._.-.-.-
This is outrageous. I had no idea this was going on.
@nathanielmatthew9555
@nathanielmatthew9555 Год назад
Babe wake up Road Guy Rob posted
@jfwfreo
@jfwfreo Год назад
The root problem is that governments like using money collected through fines, penalties and enforcement of the rules to fund government services because it allows them to have better services without having to raise taxes or cut finding elsewhere. And its a lot more politically acceptable to say that they are raising revenue from people who are breaking the law than that they are raising revenue through increased taxes. This isn't limited to just money raised from traffic tickets and infringements but also enforcement of building codes and all kinds of other things.
@terencejay8845
@terencejay8845 Год назад
In the UK we've been GATSO'd to fkk for years. If you get a ticket in the post, you have to state who was driving. Failure to do so will land you in court. But, despite hearing for years how they are 'Safety Cameras' and how it's all about 'Road Safety', everyone knows it's for Revenue. The Safety data just doesn't back up the claims. Some regional areas have vastly reduced the number of cameras, stating in many cases that they 'can't afford to process the tickets'. City centres however remain both a minefield, and a goldmine.
@donaldoyler2092
@donaldoyler2092 Год назад
As a retired Truck Driver I always wished that they put a counter big enough to see before the light changed.
@Triadinteriorupgrades
@Triadinteriorupgrades Год назад
Lol love the grand theft auto visual examples 🤣
@Rugopoly
@Rugopoly Год назад
Hi Rob
@RoadGuyRob
@RoadGuyRob Год назад
Hi, KD!
@consentingfurries2816
@consentingfurries2816 Год назад
Can you please go over the differences in how countries licence their drivers? It boggles my mind that just "anyone" who thinks they are a good driver can teach someone else. I would love to see American drivers try understanding the rules of the road in Australia. They even have programs where you have to pass using a stick shift to get your licence. They also have a better process to upgrade their new drivers. Not just graduate them and assume they can drive in every scenario.
@troyjollimore4100
@troyjollimore4100 Год назад
Well, you definitely can’t turn right on a red… 😄
@Croz89
@Croz89 Год назад
There isn't a minimum number of instructor hours in the UK, though most people will learn with an accredited instructor, which they might "top up" with an experienced driver who isn't an instructor, such as a parent or relative.
@consentingfurries2816
@consentingfurries2816 Год назад
@@Croz89 I think so. But I still don't understand why the American system does not have a government agency that actually trains you not just to pass you to get a licence. In the last year they added that new drivers have to drive "X" amount of time before going to test. Plus they now limit it in days as well after 16. Previously they were allowed at and on your 16 birthday you could pass and be a licenced driver. Now it's like 6 months after you reach 16. Do you really think all parents are teaching our next generation of drivers the best way? Or fudging the numbers on hours driven. I've heard in Europe somewhere drivers also have the government doing more than just administration of the test. They actually are the ones who you start driving with etc.
@Croz89
@Croz89 Год назад
@@consentingfurries2816 I'm not sure any government agency in Europe actually instructs learner drivers. Instructors are usually either self employed or work for a driving school. They are often accredited by a standards board like the ADI in the UK (where instructors basically take their own more difficult driving test!) but I'm not sure if it's a requirement to be an instructor anywhere in Europe, it's not in the UK as far as I am aware, but it gets you a lot more credibility so most instructors undertake it.
@jasonreed7522
@jasonreed7522 Год назад
2 things: 1. We used to have comprehensive driver's Ed programs but because suburban sprawl is a Ponzi scheme, most cities are broke and can't afford to maintain these programs 2. It doesn't matter who trains you, just that the test is actually selective. First you must take a paper test to get your permit, then you need to take a 5hr course and wait 6 months before taking a road test. (Most fail their first road test). The fact your parents are training you in that 6months window shouldn't be a problem as your parents are assumed to be competent drivers. The real issue is that we don't have very strict retesting to maintain licenses which means people's last real road test could have been 40years ago.
@cymond
@cymond Год назад
Honestly, I think most small town Stop signs could be replaced by some sort of "slow down, look carefully, and proceed carefully if clear" sign. That's what a Yield is supposed to be, but no, we gotta put Stop signs at every intersection, and ticket anybody who rolls slowly. Sadly, people here see a Yield sign and either Stop at it, or blow straight through it at full speed. My wife and I have both been ticketed by local town police for slowly rolling around a corner, even though we spent several seconds at the Stop sign, looking both ways, and it was totally safe & clear. Apparently $250 is an appropriate fine for only stopping 99% instead of 100%. And yes, it is absolutely a revenue generating strategy, because neither of us endangered anybody. There were no other cars in the area, except the cops who like to hide near intersections.
@serwhit2490
@serwhit2490 Год назад
I found that a countdown just like your countdown for walking will be helpful.
@108kitsune
@108kitsune Год назад
Lmao they should still get a ticket for rolling a red light….
@miles5600
@miles5600 Год назад
no, redesign the road. haven't you learned that when watching all these urban design video's?
@108kitsune
@108kitsune Год назад
@@miles5600 I mean while dont like that private companies profit off the cameras. These people are reckless and deserve to be punished harshly… Honestly, I think people who do this should loose their license… Driving is a privilege not a right. You shouldn’t be able to put others at risk for your selfishness.
@miles5600
@miles5600 Год назад
@@108kitsune they should, but general speeding is not caused by wreck less, it's caused by the wide ass roads and the lack of narrowness with trees and medians, also there are almost no speedbumps and raised intersections.
@Jajdjejwi28
@Jajdjejwi28 Год назад
Or, this may blow your mind, re-design streets to avoid having to wait on intersections in the first place. Use Dutch highway and street-design to try to make the road talk to the user, rather than leaving the user to make assumptions because of the lack of communication. Make cities walkable to avoid having to take unnecessary car trips to do big groceries in one go. There is so much you can learn from The Netherlands. The city where I live with a 300.000 people population only has a handful of cameras because it is so safe.
@_DeathDreams_
@_DeathDreams_ Год назад
@Phillip Banes it's my patriotic duty as an american to be stuck in traffic to get groceries and get t-boned at a suburban arterial, the american way that we need to preserve 🫡🫡🫡🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
@atomic.rabbit
@atomic.rabbit Год назад
Not Just Bikes got to you too?
@Jajdjejwi28
@Jajdjejwi28 Год назад
@@atomic.rabbit I live there and I was in absolute shock after visiting the suburbs of Texas. Glad I made it out
@marktwain2053
@marktwain2053 Год назад
How many people with different ethnic, and social, backgrounds do you have in the Netherlands? I'm guessing nowhere near as many as in the US. Many of the problems have to do with different ways of thinking, by different peoples!
@NatureShy
@NatureShy Год назад
@Phillip Banes No we don’t, as an American I wish and hope we become more like the Netherlands.
@DAK4875
@DAK4875 Год назад
In Canada it's called a p3 (public private program) and it's limited to the cost, time or ownership of the project.
@toesmasher2138
@toesmasher2138 6 дней назад
One thing you forgot to go over is how the sheer number of traffic light intersections, and by direct correlation, the sheer number of stops someone has to make can also cause people to become impatient, which is likely a large factor in red light running of all types.
@brightlineflorida1221
@brightlineflorida1221 Год назад
I wish if there is more enphasis on public transit as well in this channel.
@Skibothefirst
@Skibothefirst Год назад
So he supports fining rolling right turns when they almost hit him, but not when "no one is around"? How does one determine that?
@Fools_Requiem
@Fools_Requiem Год назад
Common sense. No one there, no need to fine someone for not putting anyone in danger.
@Everspy
@Everspy Год назад
@@Fools_Requiem Honestly, that would likely make the whole system more bloated and confusing, especially in America. What exactly does it mean for someone to be there? Everyone has their own interpretation. Then we'll have 50 pages of descriptions of what it means for someone to be there, each with varying fine amounts. Every time someone gets a ticket they will try to argue their fine should be from section 3c rather than 1a etc.
@michaeldeal4846
@michaeldeal4846 Год назад
Similar to that are speed limit signs near schools that say "School zone - 25 mph limit when children are present." I never know what "are present" actually means in that case. (What if a kid is 100/200/300 yards away, or down a side street? Or if a lone kid is sitting down on the grass nearby when school is not in session? ) But they have that very arbitrary and ill-defined law in almost every town in the country.
@Fools_Requiem
@Fools_Requiem Год назад
@@Everspy Use your head...
@Everspy
@Everspy Год назад
@@Fools_Requiem Thanks for the input.
@madero-jb5ri
@madero-jb5ri Год назад
This video was very informative. Thanks, Bill Burr
@kennyjeong6462
@kennyjeong6462 Год назад
Looking forward to your video about the "striping error" in Hollister, CA (The ending of this video)
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