LUMIX S9 First Impressions | Can This Compete with the X100VI and A7CII?

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0:00 intro
0:31 disclosures
0:49 sample photos/videos
2:12 objectivity & comparisons
3:44 base specs
4:05 real time LUT
4:56 value
5:26 cons
6:02 con 1
7:01 con 2
9:20 con 3
10:37 con 4
13:05 con 5
13:17 pros
13:44 26mm f/8 lens
15:17 who is this for? (vs S5II)
16:06 size comparison to X100VI, A7CR, Nikon ZF
17:00 S9 vs X100VI
18:08 images SOOC
19:12 final thoughts

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@erikfry5887 Месяц назад

I loved seeing you appear in the PetaPixel video. Two of my favorite channels!

@benjhaisch Месяц назад

Haha yeah, was fun to explore a bit with Matt, Chris, & Jordan for a day!

@TomCalton Месяц назад

Great video Benj! It was great meeting you in Osaka! Thanks again for letting me sneak ahead of you in the dinner queue to grab some extra sushi - I owe you one 😜🍣

@benjhaisch Месяц назад

Ah hey, Tom! Great meeting you as well!

@moneyboys2010 Месяц назад

@@benjhaisch I shoot pretty high end Weddings with 3 - S5 II & 1 - S5 IIX. I could possibly see the S9 as a Gimbal Cam / Safety Shot / Backup hybrid -Personal Carry. It looks like the center of gravity leans front heavy that may cause problems on a gimbal. I’m assuming they did not allow testing on a gimbal for this reason 😅 but Thanks for the insight… I guess I need to see the S9 on a gimbal 😅

@benjhaisch Месяц назад

@@moneyboys2010 Matt Johnson used it a bunch on a gimbal. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-eb0PtUPyMr0.htmlsi=8STozBt8EpDgwbyd

@SrinidhiAithal Месяц назад

Waiting for photography focused version with an EVF and a screen which can also tilt. Recording limits hamper its ability as a video camera as well. The compromises they’ve made seem baffling

@Valerossi0 Месяц назад

Love the camera, but a tilt would definitely be better on this one

@alphapapa4446 Месяц назад

@@Valerossi0 I mean it makes sense. If they’re gonna compromise on the evf, then give us an articulating screen

@r423sdex Месяц назад

If you don’t like the camera, don’t buy it. Give LUMIX a ring, they may design one especially for you.

@albedo0point39 Месяц назад

You know they already make a version with a viewfinder, a shutter, a better screen and a fan for longer recordings… and it’s called the S5mkii?

@jjmontana9451 Месяц назад

you talking about the s5ii/x

@justinmarantz10 Месяц назад

Thanks for a great first impressions review! Looks like a nice compact FF camera but the lack of a hot shoe is a deal breaker for me!

@asimplefarmer Месяц назад

While I enjoyed the other reviewer videos, I appreciate yours the most because it's more stills focused.

@george_edward_ Месяц назад

yeah the other reviews are all very hype. this one is just the facts

@joeldcb5304 Месяц назад

Man, awesome insights. You just got a new follower. Always a bonus to see Kyoto.

@PerfectCode Месяц назад

Appreciate the video on the S9. Hopefully yeah it will get some good software updates and allow more flexibility for recording times. 🤞

@Jrock00 27 дней назад

Love that you compared this to other point and shoot style cameras! Thank you

@3BMEP Месяц назад

Excellent!

@benjhaisch Месяц назад

Great to see you as always!

@007silverwings Месяц назад

Thanks for sharing your early review of the S9. I really hope the Lumix Lab app works with the S5II in the future and the hybrid zoom!

@benjhaisch Месяц назад

It should!

@photosandgadgets2024 Месяц назад

XE5 around the corner! Thanks for the video!

@user-mb3gx7nu1f Месяц назад

Thank you for coming to Osaka, Kyoto! I enjoyed your photos this time too!👍

@michaelajoseph6856 26 дней назад

Thank you for the hard work. It was a helpful video. I like also the small cameras.

@gregpantelides1355 Месяц назад

Great video, Benj! Thank you. Would it be possible to put an OVF in the cold shoe and trust the AF like you did with the Ricoh GR? That could be a fun solution. 😊

@brandonburridge Месяц назад

This video is incredibly helpful and a HUGE bummer haha. I was ready to preoder, but no hot shoe and no mechanical shutter is UNHINGED. C'mon Lumix...

@robmcd Месяц назад

I’m calling it the S-Whine because it’s a flop.

@TopshelfJunior Месяц назад

That smallrig handle addition is gonna be a must-buy lol. Love that you threw the 35mm on there too. That 26mm manual focus F8 is gonna be a NO-GO !

@garfieldmtify Месяц назад

Panasonic is moving more and more in the right direction. Excited to see when the S9 (II) comes out.

@PhouFoo Месяц назад

Great content. That 35mmf2 lens on the green S9 at 20:00 looks absolutely stunning, better than the x100 I think.

@brugj03 Месяц назад

However, that stupid 26mm f8 lens makes it look like a turd.

@Propaganda_Films Месяц назад

What a great video and thank you making my decision easier! I'm happy that I come across your channel and became a new subscriber. One question: the photo samples in this video were all shot with the new 26mm f8 manual focus pancake lens?

@benjhaisch Месяц назад

Many of them were, but definitely not all of them.

@hanumanguy Месяц назад

Thanks for the review and disclosure. I find it builds trust with us viewers and is better for you in the long term.

@ulfjonsson2122 29 дней назад

The best and informative video of the S9

@GuitarVocalHEroes Месяц назад

I don't really care about evf since I don't use it with such a small cameras and all in with the compact over evf. But lack of mechanical shutter is something I can't live without.

@TupperAlf 29 дней назад

very useful - thank you

@Mtgslade Месяц назад

This was almost the camera for me. I hope they make an s9 for photos almost like an interchangeable lens Q3

@the_dietcam Месяц назад

happy you like it, but you're high

@timotheetabailloux8203 Месяц назад

I was all about this camera until you brought up the no flash issue... the cold shoe was such a tease!

@nomimidzu8984 Месяц назад

Thank you very much! It's a great camera, I'd buy it. The only question is, will there be the same small lenses on it?) It would be great to put Panaleika lenses from Micro 4/3 on the S9.

@rdog77 Месяц назад

Great overview! Love the look, but I don't know if it's for me. Us old guys need EVF or OVF at least

@sondirobianto1548 Месяц назад

Love the camera. I never use the evf anyway except to provide extra stability which this camera already had

@cammackey Месяц назад

Bro I was so excited to see what profiles you created! Looks so damn good

@YaYousef5 Месяц назад

Truly appreciate your honest disclosure at the start of the video! And love your balanced take on the camera talking about both the pros and cons in a fair way. ♥️ Excellent video and photos! The thing I'm thinking about is when Sony did this with the A7iii and A7c is they gave us auto focus improvements and removed recording limits. The S9 just seems like a downgraded S5II so just spend the extra $300 and get that because there's no improvements over the S5II except that it's a little lighter/smaller, but once you put on their lenses, it isn't much of a difference or the S9 will feel unbalanced. Weird release from Panasonic.

@Sea0fTime Месяц назад

This isn't just him being honest, it's a requirement. Many countries have laws explicitly requiring the disclosure of marketing and other commercial relationships with corporations when engaging in influencer, online, and social media marketing. While it may be technically correct, it's quite disingenuous to say you weren't paid to make a video when a corporation gives you (someone they know earns at least part of their living from making social media videos) a free all expenses paid trip to see their product. RU-vid "reviewers" need to start being more honest about the influence these trips have on them and how it can bias their opinions and output. It isn't journalism, it isn't unbiased review, it's advertising and marketing.

@benjhaisch Месяц назад

@Sea0fTime yep, sadly there are a ton of people that don’t disclose this stuff, so people doing the requirements can actually be seen as more honest :/ there are all different levels of compensation for sure, reasons why even if I’m being loaned a product, I will disclose that. Fwiw, while I loved going on the trip, it’s still 100% a work trip. As someone who covers products from multiple brands, I do try to remain as neutral as possible, take the opportunities given, but still be objective and think of the industry as a whole.

@DangAlvinFilms Месяц назад

I may have missed it but what lens do you have attached to the S9 towards the end of the video?

@shep64 26 дней назад

Thanks for your honest review as always. I watched another video by one of my favorite reviewers and he never mentioned the cold shoe. It was very disappointing. I have the Sony a7cii and on the wait list for the x100vi (with thousand others). No EVF and flash - I’ll use my phone in a pinch.

@bradl2636 Месяц назад

The Leica D-Lux 8 has been delayed so will be interesting to see how that pans out. The S9 is definitely not for me pretty much same reasons as you. And you obviously made it to Kyoto as well so that’s good and how were the tourist crowds?

@benjhaisch Месяц назад

Abundant :)

@laika25 29 дней назад

You took the sample camera home???? Sweet!

@BenjaminSandness Месяц назад

Love to see the Zf with 26mm next to the S9 with 26mm

@anthony87fiorillo 14 дней назад

How well do think the s9 would perform in a "shooting from the hip" style manual lens predetermined dof street photography situation? Probably catching action shots as well. Maybe even using an ovf in the cold shoe?

@yingthao6855 Месяц назад

An EVF would be much appreciated with this beautiful camera but without it it’s not quite up there with Fuji and Sony just yet

@KillerTacos54 Месяц назад

Fantastic

@markshirley01 27 дней назад

I liked the idea of buying a S9 just for the stabilisation, then Manny Ortiz bought me down to earth with his assessment of the AF.

@benjhaisch 27 дней назад

Ah interesting, I haven’t watched his video, but the AF was totally fine in my use

@ilanhoward 26 дней назад

Honest review.

@BrendonKPadjasek Месяц назад

I've come to subscribe because you in the background of everyone else's video, looking for the non existent evf got me laughing every time

@benjhaisch Месяц назад

😉

@BenjaminSandness Месяц назад

Maybe the closest comparison is the Sigma FP?

@cherryshea579 24 дня назад

Not having flash is just a bummer :(, got very excited when I first saw the results at the start of the video

@alexanderhdo Месяц назад

Were all the shots taken on the 26mm?

@angeloplayforone Месяц назад

Found your video and subscribed to your channel. Same that you and many others like the green color.

@corwingarber Месяц назад

I guess I’m gonna keep waiting for the next sigma fp

@user-vv5cf5qq5p Месяц назад

I think this can be a potential wedding camera just for gimbal shots. Is light weight and it can be on on my gimbal all day long. I dont need long takes for gimbal shots. 10 minutes is more than enough. As the S primes are all the same weight and size, i don't have to rebalance it.

@otherz08 Месяц назад

I don't know which sensor they used, but it seems like a fantastic match for your cascade lut.

@benjhaisch Месяц назад

Same sensor as the S5II

@anantamulyono6121 Месяц назад

Damn, I'm wondering if this could be a nice digital supplement to my M-mount film bodies

@brugj03 Месяц назад

Quote: Can This Compete with the X100VI and A7CII??? It doesn`t even come close. Especially the A7CII gives it a sound beating.......it makes it look like a toy.

@Chow0012 Месяц назад

1000% agreed

@quattro30 Месяц назад

Thanks for the video Ben, unfortunately it will not be for me. No EVF is a deal breaker

@frankphotography8470 Месяц назад

This with an evf would have generated interest from a wider audience. Waiting for your ZF review! 😂

@brendansamuels8028 Месяц назад

I know that they are different cameras, but how do you think it would stack up against a Leica Q?

@l-mount-forum9607 Месяц назад

Which lens did you prefere the most to use with the Lumix S9 apart from the pancake F8 lens? Did you have acces to other L-Mount lenses i.e. from Sigma the small i-series?

@benjhaisch Месяц назад

I didn’t, but I did see some others using the small Sigmas and they look like a great pairing. I have a set of S primes that I used and they still work pretty well.

@scooopbert Месяц назад

Would be fantastic to see you go into more detail on the experience with M mount glass adapted. I’m actually looking at this as a travel and wallet friendly leica glass platform.

@benjhaisch Месяц назад

What specifically would you like to know?

@JeffreyLash Месяц назад

@@benjhaisch I was curious too. If you adapt vintage glass on the S9 what kind of focus confirmation or assistance does it offer? Highlighting pixels? Or something else? You mentioned the pancake lens was Manual focus, but the body doesn’t read out any distance scale.

@scooopbert Месяц назад

@@benjhaisch How does the sensor and processing perform against the likes of an M240/M10/SL1? My main gripes with those cameras are 1. the price and 2. the weight/preciousness of the bodies when travelling which the S9 kinda solves on paper. In terms of shooting experience I'm mostly a zone focuser anyway so the lack of EVF/RF, while not great, isn't as bothersome.

@nattawutwangchomphoo5618 Месяц назад

Thank you for your honest review. You'll always be my best channel.

@heynow2880 29 дней назад

Love your colors man. Your grading or a lut

@benjhaisch 29 дней назад

benjhais.ch/luts they’re all here. I used the black and white and North here

@heynow2880 29 дней назад

@@benjhaisch meant the head shot in the beginning

@benjhaisch 29 дней назад

I used the same on the S5II for the intro :)

@BrandonTalbot Месяц назад

Great no bs review. Thanks Benj.

@JaimeDelRio Месяц назад

Quick Thought: if this camera at least had an old school built in flash like the ones from disposable cameras of the 90's, this would have appealed to many young shooters that seek that flash look but are starting to get into more serious cameras and content creation. This mixed with the new LUTS implementation would have allowed these 90's style chasing shooters to achieve variations of that look easily. I'll admit that it would even have caught my attention too and I'm 42 years old. Maybe that would have compensated for not having a hot shoe a tiny bit. (MAYBE) -- SIDE THOUGHT -- I love working with Lumix files and wish I could leave the Sterile and boring Sony System but my experience having used both systems (for a long time) is that the Lumix world is just not fast enough for the Solo, Run & Gun, Heavy, on the spot, back and forth switching that I am doing as a Hybrid shooter. I just always felt like I was waiting on the camera to catch up to me + the Autofocus (pre 3.0 firmware update) was lacking and clunky compared to an a7s III or A7 IV. I'm not sure how it is now with the new 3.0 firmware update. Regardless, the Lumix S5 II just slowed me down or made me miss shots. I spent months adjusting and learning so that I can get that camera to fit my needs, but in the end, I let it go. @Benj : Another Great Video. Love the honesty and all your work. Truly looking forward to what Panasonic will do in the future.

@jamescaldwell5 Месяц назад

At the end of the video you showed an M mount lens adapted to the camera, maybe a Voigtlander? How does it handle that? I gather you need to push a button to punch in zoom on the view finder in order to get the focus right. What is the process of for selecting where on the frame you want to punch in. On my Sigma FPL you just tap the screen. One great benefit from grips like that Small Rig that isn’t mentioned enough is how the base plate is designed to work as a quick release plate for some tripod mounts. I have a similar grip on my FPL and that part of it was not even mentioned as a selling point, even though it’s a very useful feature.

@benjhaisch Месяц назад

Yes, you can tap the screen or click the left button on the scroll wheel to enable magnification.

@everydayphotography Месяц назад

Would be great if Leica could put the guts of the S9 into the Leica CL while retaining the EVF - love small cameras but also love an EVF! Anyway, super excited to try the new compact L-Mount lenses and using the new App to easily create some LUTs to load into Luminar Neo.

@anzekajzer1252 Месяц назад

after s5II update how far behind the sony a7rV panasonic in therms of AF is?/ thnx

@pcmc8461 29 дней назад

Can you put a hot shoe for flash if there was no shutter mechanism? Love your videos.

@benjhaisch 29 дней назад

You could but it’d be of very very limited use

@corwingarber Месяц назад

Dang… cold shoe. Crippling. Would also love ability to add evf. Shoot time limit is soooo short. Dang.

@geedee3817 Месяц назад

Benj is the control wheel on the back an actual turning wheel? So we can use it for lenses without aperture ring? Otherwise there is only the top control wheel, right?

@benjhaisch Месяц назад

Yes. Thank you for pointing that out. It was a critique of mine as well that I forgot to mention but I did mention it to the engineers at LUMIX. The rear wheel adjusts shutter speed and the top wheel adjusts aperture by default.

@geedee3817 Месяц назад

@@benjhaisch Thank You! And one last question... do you remember if they kept the XPAN aspect ratio (65:24) option of the S5II ?

@stephensears7483 Месяц назад

I feel like every consumer who knows how to use a camera properly is considered an outlier to the camera industry. I would pay way more than 1500 if there was a mechanical shutter and a hotshoe (but I suppose market research shows not enough of us would)

@benjhaisch Месяц назад

Yeah, I would as well, but I’d assume their thinking would be just to buy an S5II at that point.

@Malick333 Месяц назад

I would say the X100VI is a photography camera that can shoot video, and the S9 is a video camera than can take screenshots/stills. But really hoping the LUT feature pushes the whole market in that direction since they are running out of features anyways.

@tommytorres Месяц назад

So, can you mount small Leica glass on it?

@iammz81 Месяц назад

L-mount yes.

@lamasteve6905 Месяц назад

Learn the new system. Custom Luts at the finger tips ? Shoot and learn and have fun. Old fashion Camera's are great for old fashion people ! What the Customer Likes is the answer. Ease of use is more fun. Change is here !

@badbunnyTUBE 24 дня назад

Personally i'm stoced to see pansonic doing something actually different. Will it pay off? Maybe maybe not with this first iteration but i can see how they can build up from here. A gx9 ii with a evf or even better, ovf with pd auto focus and the new lut system + app 😍 that coupled with some beautiful small full metal auofocus mft lens with dedicted zone and apperature ring? Would be a killer set up for those notobsessed with larger sensors

@-grey Месяц назад

Since it's a cold shoe and there's no EVF, they could have put it on the side and had the flip screen flip up and over the top. Left hand on the lens I can see a shotgun off the left side being no issue, that or one of those wireless systems.

@yttean98 Месяц назад

Good review, the cons outweighs the pros. Also too expensive. I trust your review cos you are outright true and honest in your review and you are very much an expert in the this kind of small size camera body. I viewed a few of your past reviews, eg sony A7RCII etc. In summary, The concept is fine but bad implementation.

@PaulTakesPhotos Месяц назад

It looks a bit like small Leica Q. 26mm f/8... Interesting choice. Small and compact set up. Thing is as you said correctly: mini S5... Swivel screen and too much video features makes it a bit of a no go and no viewfinder comes on top of it. Lack of l-mount pancake lenses is one thing. Just order the camera though 😂😂😂😂

@freepadz6241 20 дней назад

This or x100vi for someone looking to purchase first camera and learn photography?

@izzatIHH55 17 дней назад

Hopefully there will be a version with small evf like a7c lineup called S7 and the S7 will have the tilt up evf like gx9 😍

@george_edward_ Месяц назад

It's funny I feel like this camera was aimed at being a stills camera but I feel like its a much better entry level video camera. To your point though, it just emphasizes the value of the S5ii which is what i use for my videos and i love it

@benjhaisch Месяц назад

Yeah, I honestly think it’s 70/30 video/photo but that’s sort of how I feel about the S5II as well. The video features are OP in comparison.

@quamb Месяц назад

If it had a viewfinder it'd be a must buy.... currently am on the fence though between this and the x100....

@brugj03 Месяц назад

That`s not a difficult choice then. A toy vs a real tool.

@vincepetitjean Месяц назад

What were your thoughts on adapting m lenses to it?

@benjhaisch Месяц назад

Works and balances well for sure. Loved using my black and white preset [LUT] with lenses like the 40mm Summicron and LLL 35/2 8E

@WilliamCrespo Месяц назад

i would probably go for the X-T50 or an X100VI

@Jcwwolf Месяц назад

I think this is such a cool camera but the lack of EVF and Hot Shoe is a bummer. Also, the original A7C floating around kinda hurt this camera.

@normanridgwayofficial 22 дня назад

I feel like the desired audience for this camera are people who are interested in the Sony ZVe10. Understanding that the S9 has more features and full frame it's not going to win over many entry level people over the ZV camera because of the price difference. I'd love to see someone do a comparison of the two.

@ptrbask640 Месяц назад

if you compare it with Nikon Zf purely for photography, are they equal? or do you see more value in Nikon? Thank you edit: I don't need flash. viewfinder, even external would be a plus

@khaipham1157 Месяц назад

Me neither, have never touched flash. I used a6000 and sometime use viewfinder when it is too bright outdoor

@AmbercoolPhotography 8 дней назад

If they took off the LCD panel, and you have to get a glass viewfinder cold shoe for each focal length at $900 I'd still buy it. There's far too much tech on alot of cameras to increase prices and it's overkill. The average person doesn't need alot. Also, seasoned photogs don't need alot either. Something similar to a A7RV is a justified price. If you're just snapping photos, all those cameras should be under $1k.

@markmarshall7359 Месяц назад

If it had a mechanical shutter and a hot-shoe compatible with the visoflex2 evf I would order one today. Not sure who this is for??

@benjhaisch Месяц назад

Not for most people that know what a visoflex is ;)

@brugj03 Месяц назад

It`s for kids who don`t know anything. And are sold on some colors.

@loganwebb5449 Месяц назад

If this is meant to compete with the zv-e1, the recording limits really hurt it. Hopefully they can increase those limits for some recording options.

@benjhaisch Месяц назад

I’m hoping so as well. Even if it’s not unlimited, to at least open it up a bit more to make things more usable for long form, interviews, weddings, etc.

@boredcat7 Месяц назад

Hi ben sid you use a gimbal for the videos with the s9?

@benjhaisch Месяц назад

I didn’t, no. A few clips have light stabilization added in post but for the most part it’s all just the IBIS & internal stabilization

@boredcat7 Месяц назад

@@benjhaisch wow the walking ones look solid, I have an s5ii and it had a lot of warping until the 3.0 update

@smetljesm2276 Месяц назад

How do you adjust exposure compensation while in aperture mode if the wheel around shutter button is for aperture?

@benjhaisch Месяц назад

There is an exposure comp button on the top

@smetljesm2276 Месяц назад

@@benjhaisch Yes! But how does it work?😆 Once you press it what do you use to change exposure. Thanks for replying 😎

@yenlllin8620 Месяц назад

This camera is a merge of fujifilm xpro3 and ricoh gr3, but with a full frame sensor. This could be a perfect camera for me because I do street photography and use my camera like gr3

@CianMcsweeney Месяц назад

Except without any mechanical shutter (jello effect for fast moving objects, can't use flash etc.) or viewfinder

@yenlllin8620 Месяц назад

@@CianMcsweeney I personally think this is an unique camera from Panasonic, designed for a group of very specific audiences, no point creating "another" full frame camera, if people want all these features, they should just go buy those cameras.

@yenlllin8620 Месяц назад

@CianMcsweeney yes, this camera is missing alot of things, but if anyone is looking for a full featured camera, they should just go buy those instead. I think Panasonic is trying to target to a very specific audiences. For me I dont like the flip out screen, and there arent enough smaller lenses for me to be interested with this camera.

@jamescaldwell5 Месяц назад

12:10 : I respect that they are trying to avoid over heating, but it seems like a simple internal thermometer could decide whether or not to stop recording, rather than setting a time limit.

@MrJed_s Месяц назад

They are already measuring the temp since it's displaying on screen. Only explanation for time limits is market segmentation.

@brugj03 Месяц назад

That`s not it. It`s a means to keep selling you stuff. The next will be able to record 6 mins longer. That`s how you do it if you`re panasonic.

@rigobertomorales6092 15 дней назад

The pictures of this camera are amazing, why nobody talks about picture quality?

@timotheetabailloux8203 Месяц назад

can the camera apply LR presets as well as LUTs?

@benjhaisch Месяц назад

It doesn’t take LR presets directly, no. I did suggest that they allow converting presets into LUTs within the app, but you still have to convert them to a LUT first.

@SKHP2425 Месяц назад

A voigtlander 35 and an S9 might be interesting to test out.

@benjhaisch Месяц назад

I’ve been using the 40 Summicron and LLL 35/2 8E which has been great

@datdudeinred 29 дней назад

Well now Panasonic won't invite you to next s3 or next s1 launch. 😂 Anyways thanks for the truthful & actually useful video 👍

@conradjavier5180 Месяц назад

This looks insane!!!

@GastonShutters Месяц назад

Awesome video. I’ll respectfully pass on this. It was not made for me. No EVF makes the A7CII a better bang for a bit more. But you get all the things this camera lacks

@brugj03 Месяц назад

The A7CII is just great value for money, It`s a mini A1 in a small body and super lenses. It`s everything this not for only a few 100 more.

@angeloplayforone Месяц назад

Great review with an open minded view.

@frontstandard1488 Месяц назад

Content creators are destroying photography hahaha. Seems like a good idea dogged by compromises. A viewfinder for starters. I do photography and not video, and I kind of dislike having to pay for features I never use.

@draxxicek 9 дней назад

In ways the S9 is trying to compete with X100VI and ZV-E1 it does not really offer anything better or extra. But what is even more puzzling is how is the S9 better than a Lumix GX80/85 or a GX9? What does the S9 bring to the table is a LUT button, which just skips a few extra postproduction setps, open gate (not really a necessity either)…is that it?

@Kim_Alexander Месяц назад

feels like a ZV camera rather then a x100 series.. 12bit raw in stills is a bummer to..

@jliang70 Месяц назад

I think the deal breaker for this camera is the lack of EVF, I have not found a single camera that I can used under the sun without resorting to an EVF, I have used Sony, Fuji, Canon and Panasonic. I think the pricing on S5ii is also sort of making it tough for S9. I checked the price on S5ii and in Australia it is AUD2149 ( around USD 1425),

@benjhaisch Месяц назад

Not a bad problem. The S5II is probably the best value camera for the money currently on the market.

@r423sdex Месяц назад

Don’t buy one !