Six professionals review the Mac Pro 

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Just Some Guy without a Mustache Yawn 🥱 that is so old and unfunny now.

David Jacobs what is with your obsession towards moustaches?

Programming

its not really the fault of Adobe but they have to develop their software to support Intel CPU and AMD GPU on macs and also develop the same software to run on intel/AMD CPUs on windows and also AMD/NVIDIA on windows , its alot to do

Le Chat Botté literally what every other creative platform or just software developer has to do in general...

@@carholic-sz3qv they could simply adopt Metal for hardware acceleration and it would make a lot of things blazingly fast. You can edit a 4K video in Final Cut on a 12" MacBook with a Core m3 yet somehow Adobe's software still chugs on Macs with beastly GPUs...

@@bolttracks The problem is maintaining all that different codebase everytime you do an update. Developers tend to try to unify the codebase as much as they possibly can. So whenever there is something that is cross platform they will chose that over a platform specific thing. So for a big company as Adobe where hundreds of new features are added all the time they would do that to avoid chaos behind the scenes. But yeah the disadvantage to this can be poor optimisation on one platform

Anesu C somehow, the people writing DaVinci Resolve don’t seem to have that problem...

exaactly way more valuable.

Completely agree. Fantastically informative piece. Thank you!

Jonathan morrison did it first

Agreed. The Verge's unique approach to their reviews and exceptional quality of content is what hooked me as a fan of theirs years ago, and keeps me coming back to this day.

They are professional 2d/video ARTISTS and they don't use the machine to the fullest. Instead, you could put a rookie 3d render and see the difference instantly, and you don't need to be a pro.

This sins guy seems spiritual is he some spiritual leader?

@@pratham69_ I bet he is or was. He likes to switch between jobs, actually.

Ahhh Sir Johnny Sins. I mean Captain Johnny Sins. No no i mean Dr. Johnny Sins.

Yassir Rossel that totally make sense ! Thanks for the quote

A handy tool makes a handy man. - Confucius People say stuff all the time. Everything makes sense when it comes from a famous person.

Ofc your here

it this russia?

The Mac Pro would tell them they are amateurs that couldn’t afford a fully spec’d version.

We might not get that for a while...

@@recardolugg8631 ofc.???

I like that they still included the benchmarks tho!

Agreed this review was great from a business standpoint

I hate that you can't own the software, its a subscription

Zaafar Jat fun fact, they don’t teach Premiere as the best NLE editor at film schools (at least ASU). At the highest level (Hollywood films) Premiere still isn’t used over other programs. It’s just the most capable, accessible, community backed, and affordable (for students) so it reigns

TyRee Becker you can buy it

You are just not correct

@@AlecGalicia DaVinci Resolve is more affordable (0$) and it runs circles around Premiere…

This is what most people aren't realizing or what the professionals aren't stating or are oblivious to.

Adobe is slow on Mac

Emmanuel Irizarry on Mac... adobe seriously needs to update their apps , I was about to buy photoshop on iPad😳

Fwjwng Wary yeah right I could have saved 15 min lol

There's not a developer alive that needs a Mac Pro. Maybe a *company* needs one for CI, but no.

I'm still curious, especially to hear from aforementioned pros like in this video.

@@godofbiscuitssf seriously, as a developer the iMac Pro becomes unreasonable for me at higher specs.

​@@godofbiscuitssf Speak for yourself. Just to connect 2 pro displays 6k XDRs I would. Also not everyone wants an iMac.

This could easily be fixed in Resolve 17 tho, if BMD fixes that along with motion keyframes there's literally no reason to use Premiere

It's a different workflow, agreed. Though using a central database for projects also make sense, especially with multiple workstations and artists.

@@periskop Agreed it's not either/or. For lots of 15sec-30sec jobs, we used Premiere, a file server and 4 people with no problems. Being able to save a project file into the file system doesn't break anything because the desktop is already a database. The Resolve system forces a kind of 'database within a database' situation which means you can't copy/manage/backup/move anything from the desktop which is unnecessary.

@@Natan9000 Logitech MX Master series works great in MacOS (has configurable gesture support) and it's super ergonomic too. I think they were just using the magic mouse cause it came with the Mac Pro.

@@PerplexedPhoton I have on my desk the MX Master 3 and the Magic Mouse both connected to my mac. Every day I use the MX less and less. Magic mouse just works so much better. I also find the smaller form factor far more comfortable.

Not the best possible compiter actually. This is just a glorified doorstop

ikr i never oped for the apple mouse ever when getting an imac, i just go with the trackpad and then get the logitecxh mx master 2s or 3s

Well when compared to fully spec’d one they essentially have less than 10% of what’s possible. Yes this is modest

@@TheCEODon Well ofc that's the case, I'm just stating how ridiculous it sounds compared to what a regular consumer can afford

@@endornaut Sure, but this really isn't targeted at regular consumers. Besides, if you really wanted to, you could get 64 GB for under $300, which even a regular consumer could afford.

I want to have 1,024g of ram

That's a fairly modest amount for a workstation.

hahaha so true

I think they're trying to say that they wouldnt expect that to happen with a Mac Pro

I thought this same thing! It's not the computer! It's your setting! Pro.... Probably not.

Lol, my thought exactly. It's only "pixelated" because that's what you're telling the software to do. It amazes me that she didn't know that haha

Michael Garry exactly. Thank you. At most I feel these guys are creative professionals. I do Architectural visualization, and can say the more processing power you throw at rendering, the faster it renders. I’m guessing thats not how the adobe suite works, especially for the person working off a server via vpn

I guess they use windows? Most of the people that use Macs are the ones on this video.

Because that’s what “professional” means. One machine for everyone is not professional and impossible. You need different tools for different work. That’s professional.

@@May16Joe no, they use a mix of platforms including Macs. Those apps and games for iOS/Mac have to come from somewhere for example......

@@huan_huan No, that's not what "professional" means at all - it means getting paid for your skills/knowledge. A true "pro" machine is aimed at people who are using it fundamentally for work purposes - not leisure / media consumption. Its also meant to be a general purpose pro machine - but all we see are video editors and the occasional sound composer. Thats a very small percentage of the overall market.

No it's not a single core app! It's not optimised for big amount of cores and favours clock speed but it's not single core.

@@melomaniakjm Let me rephrase that, Ae only uses a single core for rendering (aside from GPU effects). Which when trying to playback ram previews that aren't cached yet is very slow. THey removed multi-core processing about 2 years ago in favor of moving forward with more GPU accelerated effects.

MOBOX Graphics people oversee this all the time. The hardware doesn’t match your workflow? Don’t buy it.

@@moboxgraphics What? No they didn't, there are some plug-ins and effects that effectively limit you in core-count.. but you can go ahead and press the render button on most projects nowadays and see a 4-6 core system hit near max CPU utilization. I'm not sure where you got that idea from. All they did was remove the previous system they had in place which was *only* a place-holder that would essentially run an equal number of AE render programs to **X** number of cores you had and then split the ram among the cores and render frames in X number of AE processes while the host process kept them all in order and composed them. It was a stop-gap that left 98% of the job up to the operating system, and came about back when Core 2 arrived on the scene and was removed in favor of actual multicore processing, not multi-processor programs.

​@@EleMenTfiNi Hmm there's a post on the Adobe forms from 2018 (look up "After Effects only uses one core" on google and it should be the first post). However, I also see Puget systems say it just doesn't scale well beyond a single core. Not sure which is correct, but what I do know, higher core count is not as valuable as single-core speed.

MisterX lol

I know some who had to do that to get into his company server, but he also works remotely so it's different. In an office there should really be a direct connection...

In next week's stories: The Verge inadvertently catches a corporate spy

It is worth noting, (I believe, at least) that the wobbling stand is an endemic "feature", not a one-off QC issue.

The „wobbling“ is to adapt to uneven desk surfaces which a lot of people have. Its a basic feature on every monitor that has an adaptable stand and is expected behaviour in a professional monitor.

Well, it's not wobbling, when they have their hand moving it around, is it? You have never used a monitor that rotates, have you?

•••••• I know you are trolling, but that's not the point. It should magnetically snap into a given orientation and stay leveled by itself. You should not need to level it by yourself.

Yeah the game of thrones professionals have a 16k budget for their machines..... sure.....

$$$$$

@@MasterAppels Not even close. Try again?

Xbox series X and PS5 are going AMD too

they might have the best chips NOW, but considering that Apple were making this for a long time, they probably weren't better when Apple were considering the specs of this machine

Amd has the best pro graphics

A B but the verge is losing money hand over fist and can’t afford to spec this machine correctly!

M2 Mac Pro steps into the room. Lol

Same to Architects, yet I think we can really benefit from these sort of machines

Alejandro Cotilla engineers aren’t the target market and mostly wont be using a Mac Pro for their work. 🤷‍♂️

@@liquidmark5081 To be honest most of my software isn't even available for Mac (science/eng)

I wish we had some engineers at our company who could have made use of this machine! Our product team told me that almost all of their work compiles in the cloud when I asked if they wanted to participate in this review :(

EnhancedNightmare ya. Unless you run boot camp. When I think of Apple, I don’t think “hey! Science and engineering!”.

if that was to happen (adobe optimising their software) it would give life to previous generation of machines (such as dual cpu HP z series machine which will cost a fraction of the price of the mac) i personally can't see it happening - adobe have crappy development teams.

Well there are rumours that they are going to introduce their own chipset for a MacBook this year

@@Nik6644 well yeah but these are probably going to be arm chips. Might make the MacBooks super powerful and efficient (literally make intel obsolete efficient)but they still won't hold a candle to the high end x86 processors like the 3970x and 3990x

@@manaspradhan8041 well this aged like milk lol

@@realwiggles does your milk age like wine? The 3990x's scores twice as much as the m1 ultra on cinebench

​@@manaspradhan8041 I mean, the 3990x has 64 cores and 128 threads compared to the Ultra's 20 of each. It also draws almost 5x as much power. I would hope the 3990x would score twice as much at an absolute minimum. Imagine you're at the gym and this huge roided out dude sits down and busts out 20 reps on the bench. But then, after he's done, this 5'6" , scrawny, middle-aged man who just left a PTA meeting sits down at the same bench and pumps out 10 reps of his own. Not only would people be more impressed by the dad, they'd probably start to question why the roids guy wasnt able to put up 5x as many reps. That's kind of my next point anyway, which is that the comparison between the two chips is pretty useless and unfair. Really, you should pick a chip that is closer to the M1 Utra is either specs, value, or both. the 3990X costs anywhere from $6k-9k, whereas the Ultra comes in a full package that's being sold for $4k. And this is Apple we're talking about; scroll down on this comment thread and you're guaranteed to find multiple people whining about Apple devices always being way overpriced. The point is, I wouldn't pull up on you in a Ferrari and make fun on your Supra for being slow. Keep in mind, all I was saying originally was that Apple's silicon ended up being a lot more powerful than you seemed to predict. Given they didn't release anything that's close to being a direct comparison on paper, we have to extrapolate based on the performance of the chips they did release. And if the highest-end example of their 1st generation of silicon is anything to go off of, it seems pretty clear they would have no problem producing something that would absolutely demolish something like the 3990X. Their M1 line is extremely impressive and has received near universal praise for a reason. It's ok to admit Apple did something right every once-in-a-while

by starbucks customers?

@@jimjon2855 Bruh. We out here thinking all mac users are the people who go to starbucks to watch tiktoks

I know, right? Super rare given almost everything says "all that power isnt needed also muh games"

Just guys who make complex memes.

A guy using 8 tracks and no VI's, sample libraries or CPU heavy plug-ins in a DAW is most definitely not the target demographic when it comes to pro audio.

This ^^

Yeah, this has nothing to do with the hardware. That's a software feature.

Just saw this after posting the same comment. This is 100% correct!

Sorry for the delay on the answer here - we went back and talked it over. Basically, Estelle tried it with adaptive resolution on and off, and the performance with it off wasn't good enough to let her work as normal, so she flipped it back on. We didn't want to make this already-long video longer by explaining the setting, so we just got to the point. But rest assured it was tested both ways.

Nilay Patel good to know. Thanks for taking the time to respond!

Seems worse than my ancient CCFL based NEC PA302W. That Brightness Fall Off on the edges and noticeable colour shift, I haven't seen that on any decent IPS display in the past decade. That's a weird way to Fail.

It is modest for the kind of work they do.

if you're a pro, 128 is pretty standard. If you're making videos in your bedroom, then yeah it's a lot.

Good grief calm down and consider that you might not know everything. Some professionals need at least 256gb just to do day to day stuff.

I mean 3D rendering is ram hungry.

Shows how much you know . . . I'd max out and bottleneck on 96 GB of RAM alone, just video editing, which is why 256GB is my baseline.

I want to see them put the memory in the wrong slots, install a radiator without fans, ice the CPU like a cake, and remind us all that the PSU goes on insulated pads so it doesn't electrocute you when it touches the case. They could call it a how-to video

ha ha ha, same thoughts :)

"felt slow" was about overall performance of the system, not heavy tasks

The one mentioning blur sounds like a bug, which is the point they were making: the software isn't designed to use a Mac Pro (yet?)

@@descendency not a bug, its a setting in the program. I think they were trying to say that they didnt expect the pixelation to turn on with the hardware the pro has.

Island cooking with Denise didn’t he bring in professional as well... like wow way to steal an idea @verge

fr, they make it seem like an apple ad lol

That's why they want to ditch Intel and make their own. ARM still has a ways though.

It's built for work not to look pretty.

@@BrieoRobino I mean you can invest $140 into an NZXT H710 and a few noctua fans. The system would look pretty damn good and be as quiet too (*ﾉ・ω・)ﾉ♫

We put that in to be extra transparent, but the VPN is a corporate hardwired connection between the office the Verge is in and the New York Magazine offices down the street. And Stevie mostly works with image files in InDesign, so we didn't think the network was the bottleneck.

Haha fail

@@reckless1280 Hint: It was.

@@jasperfredrickson4420 We wouldn't have put it in the video if we didn't feel like it was fair to take that away. But we're also pretty confident that our corporate network is, you know, operational.

@@reckless1280 By using a VPN / virtual machine you are using the servers processing power, and don't utilize the mac CPU

Yep my 3900x outscores the Xeon w 3245 in this machine in Cinebench R20, 7081 to their 6849. The Xeon is a nearly $2,500 part on its own. You could buy 5 of my cpu for that.