Mackie 24.8 gain distortion tutorial 

@@becomenothing Thank you for this. I had actually learned this outside of this message, but I still appreciate you taking the time, in case I didn't already know this. Perhaps it will help someone else out.

And ..... not just mackies, maybe some soundcrafts, behringers and others aswell ?

I will later this year, I have a whole bunch of mixers lined up just for this exact purpose.

@@djniel2325 can't wait

@@djniel2325 Can't wait to see this ! :D Subbed

@@djniel2325 Can't wait :D !

are you talking about cr1604 vlz, 1604 vlz pro or 1604 vlz3?

I’d buy you a 12 pack if you showed me how to do this on my 3630 + CR1604 ;)

This a legit method indeed, I used to have 2 or 3 gates between channels to cut out the noise, when I was still distorting my kickdrums live.

Niet helemaal maar komt in de buurt. :-)

hey! how are you getting on with it?

@@Persik2405 Sorry for the delay ... holidays period and such ;) I gave it a quick try and I'm getting close to a decent kick I suppose :) ru-vid.com2OfUeGyZVgg

Currently using a 1604vlz with my tr8s and it’s sounds pretty fucking dope

Not completely since you miss the parametric EQ on that mackie mixer.

Christian Alexander and Tyree Cooper before that

@@FluxTrax yoooo. Please, which tracks in particular? 👍 Thanks for replying!

@@dpalaoro The first track with distorted 909 that I heard was Christian Alexander "Body and Spirit" from a Deep House compilation containing tracks by Frankie Knuckles, Keith Nunnaly, and Blake Baxter to name a few. Many early hip-house tracks also had slightly distorted kicks (Turn up the bass). DJ fast eddie distorted the drums on some tracks too, most notably 'Git on up'. Then you have Steve Poindexter (& Mike Dunn) on "Born to freak". But I guess there was a dude in Frankfurt having similar ideas at the same time

@@dpalaoro ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-NVIYUQLxSWw.html this is a banger!

@@FluxTrax Nice! You dropped some names I like. 👍 I know Git on up. Dope jam. Classic. I can't remember "born to freak." though. I'll check it out. So, who's the frankfurt dude you're referring to? Or you mean in general how the sound developed? Ohh, are you talking about Gabber? 😂

Hardstyle kicks are basically superedited versions of Hardcore kicks :)

Art of Fighters True story :p It always feel easier to have a good hardcore kick rather than a good hardstyle kick

This is Bluemind Edited doesn't always mean better.And you can't compare Hardstyle with Hardcore,because "Hard"style is fokin lightweight .l.

***** If you put a good hardstyle kick through some extra distortion you can get some great mainstream hardcore kicks.

Revealer Those are the kicks I'm talking about ;)

you can't do it like that purely in digital, when stuff goes above the level there you get a scary shit sound rather than this. If you want to try, you put the kick in track 1, send the out of track 1 to track 2, the out of track 2 to track 3 etc etc and then turn up the volumes...but you'll be disappointed

Nee, in de afgelopen 20 jaar nog nooit meegemaakt, zowel niet met tascams, behringers, mackies als soundcrafts.

Multiple !

yes you can destroy a mixer. Red lights are there for some reason....

Someone on Gearslutz mentioned you can not exceed the maximum output of the powerrail that feeds the channel, so limited risk even if you do distort. I have never seen a mixer being destroyed by gain distortion. Unlike other stuff like using contract sprays, dusty/sandy environments, poor build quality (older behringer mixers). Red lights are there to notice the user your sound may be distorted (clipping).

I haven't destroyed a single mixer in 25 years of using gain distortion. This includes mackie, behringer, soundcraft, fostex, yamaha, tascam, allen & heath etc. The biggest faillures I did experience where on a component level, outside the audiopatch, like powersupply caps, mixer midi computer locking the mutes and in general, bad quality components and solderjoints on budget oriented mixers.

Ha! Use all 32 channels.

@@DavidProuty use all 64 channels xD ! (mix-B)

I'ts possible on every mixdesk, but it won't sound that great.

@@Blahdnb I agree partly, you will be suprised some other brands do sound very good aswell.

And has somebody a opinion about the zed?

@@Blahdnb as long as you can route each channel individually into another channel..

Yes, check out my facebook page for a soundcraft 200b gain distortion session from a few years back.You can use almost any mixer with a parametric EQ, as long as you can route separate channels to other channels before going to the master channel. I'm preparing a video tutorial on that subject.

DJ Niel What's your FB page?

facebook.com/pages/DJ-Niel/419351844834679

@@djniel2325 how is this soundcraft 200b for 90s UK trance??? Too much 80s vibe, is spirit or mackie 24 8 better??

Why are you using a marshall amp ???? (and a guitar effect aswell ...)

It is definitely a required taste xD

It's a required taste indeed

@@djniel2325 most people here love it ! 😄

16.8 is one of the best, due to its compact size but still having mix-B for up to 32 channels.

Expensive consoles often have way more headroom, so not easy to distort as the cheaper mixers.

I haven't destroyed a single mixer in 25 years of using gain distortion. This includes mackie, behringer, soundcraft, fostex, yamaha, tascam, allen & heath etc. The biggest faillures I did experience where on a component level, outside the audiopatch, like powersupply caps, mixer midi computer locking the mutes and in general, bad quality components and solderjoints on budget oriented mixers.

@@djniel2325 Hey Neil, dope vid!! I am actually thinking to get either a Soundcraft (preferably spirit studio if you know it?) or this Mackie or similar old analog 90s mixer with decent to good eqs just for a bit of touch. What do you recommend? For tracking synths and sampler mainly. If getting 24ch. then maybe also to mixdown from DAW as well (summing). Cheers!

@@djniel2325 would you have some cheaper table models with which it is possible to do this kind of routing? thank's for you vidéo

@@djniel2325 Have desk shown in video,i have damaged it twice using this technique and also damaged the newer (crappier) version too.I guess how often you do it and for how long plays a big part,but be warned anybody reading this,that you can absolutely do damage to your desk.Side note,the newer versions of this desk sound nowhere near as good as the old ones.The eq in particular is complete crap. Preamps are far less aggressive too.

Do the same patch, should be similar. Drive the ph#ck out of each channel and get tweaky! 🎉

just sell your tr 909 and you can buy 7 Mackie mixer ; )

hahahah true

Try the older Behringer models, the cheapest on being MX2004 with parametric EQ. Also MX3284 or even a big MX8000, MX9000 which are almost a direct clone from the mackie 8 bus mixers.

@@djniel2325 you have same preamp in the MX8000 ?

From what I understand they have the same preamps so should sound the same :) barring the eq of course

I am actually thinking to get either a Soundcraft (preferably spirit studio if you know it?) or this Mackie or similar old analog 90s mixer with decent to good eqs just for a bit of touch. What do you recommend? For tracking synths and sampler mainly. If getting 24ch. then maybe also to mixdown from DAW as well (summing). Cheers!

@@AnalogFlava for my personal experience, I've a Soundcraft GB4 for tracking synth, modular synths, sampler, etc. Much more flexible than Mackie, better eq and the whole mix sounds good to me. For "overdrive" saturation of preamp the Mackie works better. the higher price of the Soundcraft GB4 is worth the difference. The Spirit also sounds good but I prefer the GB4

How did you do it with a 1604 ? I have the original and it doesn’t have direct outputs ?

@@AnalogFlava I have used a spirit from time to time, decent pre but I''ve not tried the kick trick. For my synths and sampler and other stuff'm happy wth my Soundcraft GB4 (great eq, 8 aux, etc) but if you want to go further in quality I recommend Midas, Amek, Trident etc

These mackie mixers are 100% analog, nothing digital about it. Imho nobody should ever distort the digital parts of any mixer or interface.

@@N1h1L3 respectfully, I don't think you know what you're talkin about in regards to "nothing digital about it". I found out what the problem was for me, I was at 44khrts opposed to the digital 48khrts. I have 24 and analog tracks, and 24 digital tracks. I hardly use the analog tracks because they have air in them

Basically any with dedicated outputs for channels. Behringer makes some cheap stuff. In the end if you do not have any mix to do rhis it might be cheaper to get guitar pedals. Or run your 909 through software.

Get a secondhand behringer with mid sweep EQ, like the MX2004 or simular. Might find something like that for 50 euro's (i did).

@@MrVacicak most guitar pedals tend to mess up the lower frequencies, at least the ones I tried...

I haven't destroyed a single mixer in 25 years of using gain distortion. This includes mackie, behringer, soundcraft, fostex, yamaha, tascam, allen & heath etc. The biggest faillures I did experience where on a component level, outside the audiopatch, like powersupply caps, mixer midi computer locking the mutes and in general, bad quality components and solderjoints on budget oriented mixers. Distorting music equipment has been a part of the music industry for decades, even far before any house or dancemusic was created.

Just because you don't understand what is going on, does not make it dumb, I also have used this method for over 25 years and never damaged a single desk console with it.

None of newer Mackie mixers distort like this I’m afraid. Try the Analogue Heat from Electron

@@Strafuzz Ok thanks, did you try the Electron Heat? Does it have this "magic" interaction of EQ and overdrive?

@@Strafuzz Do you know about the older SR24-4 series? www.ebay.de/itm/Mackie-SR-24-4-SR-24-4-Mixer-Made-in-USA-Mischpult/184250159069?hash=item2ae62a4fdd:g:b0MAAOSwlsVekupa The 8 Bus is so bulky

@@WackyJackyTracky I own an Analogue Heat and and a Mackie 32:8. The AH has excellent distortions and great for mangling sound. If you wanted to recreate this video where there are multiple in channels in series with diffirent eq settings then you could only do this with the AH by resampling.

@@WackyJackyTracky Not sure about that model but there is a 24:4 version of the 32:8 . Get that if you have issues with space.

It's harder to create these kind of sounds inside a DAW, especially Reason, but not impossible. The trick when using a scream is to use multiple instances but only distort a bit per scream unit and only use the models that do not cut out the low frequencies too much. Also don't use screams build in 3 band EQ, it sounds bad if it is the last scream in the chain and very limited imho. Put parametric EQ's between the screams so you get the dist-eq-dist-eq-dist-eq-etc chain going. That's like the same method used in this video. Also don't use the m-class eq in the rack if it is the last EQ in a chain. It creates that "reason sound" people complain about. But you can use it in the fisrt steps if you want, because it is very cpu light. For better EQ's inside the rack use rack extensions like uhbik-Q or the great rack extension EQ's from Lab:One like REQ131 or Red Queen. It will improve your production sound in a big way. It will take you some time to get the happy accidents, working 3 days on 50 kicks from which maybe 8 are ok and 1 or 2 are usable for a track but from gaining experience you will be able to do this faster over time. Since we can use rack extensions your options are now almost endless. RE's I like are u-he runciter which has a nice drive and fuzz build in, RP distort re and faturator re. These 3 can also be found as vst pluggins for other daws. And talking about vst, tone2 filterbank 3 is highly recommended aswel as Ohmforce Ohmicide and all the other well known pluggins used in other tutorials. I've made kicks with only Predator rack extension using 3 osc, 2 notch filters, EQ- dist-amp inside the 3 FX slots in one preset. (For example Omkara Techichi - Hardcore Republic). The possibilities are endless, but it takes a lot of time to create new good kicks from scratch (or get lucky in your first attempt). Save and keep your best presets and build on from there. That way you can create good kicks from just adjusting tiny settings from your last best kickdrum. You'll have a preset bank with your own kicks in no time.

I do feel a low budget (under 90 euro's) mackie gain distortion tutorial coming up .....

DJ Niel Thank you so much for your help! Here's what I attempted for the moment on soundcloud: /incertain/noisetek

DJ Niel And yeah I have a long way to go, but I feel I'm on the right track now at least!