Drum Compression Basics: Creating Punchy Drums with Hannes Bieger 

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He just relaxed. You up-tight Americans would not be used to this 😅

@@crowmagnon yes, that is precisely what I intended to express

lol their accent make them sound like they know their shit

Elliot Noteware - seriously

Elliot Noteworthy yeah but I keep waiting for him to reveal that there's actually a bomb in the mix that will detonate if Bruce Willis can't get those transients to shine through!

i'm german and to me its pretty annoying listening to him lol

Zis is what most of us do all day here in Germany

theres no right or wrong, it depends on what you want to achieve.

It's not always a good idea to have long attack on drums, in this case it's a nice touch because it's house music you need your track to bounce, but for example in rock music or hiphop or pop it's more often to use a fast attack with an intermedium release so you keep the attack of your drums more balance to be able to sit your vocals on the mix in proper way without having a fast attack your snare and kick drum will interfere with the rest of your sounds, so it's something more about taste.

same, glad I stumbled on this video

You'll hear clearly the dif just when the threshold is extreme and fast attack at 5:16 - btw to hear it you need good bass speakers or headphones cause the transient of the kick is being cut.

fucking amateurs

nothing is fucked dude

We believe in nussing, Lebowski. Nussing.

Fucking nihilists...

reading these was the perfect end to a great day. Thank you all

sanchezproductions87 excellent explanation and that too as I'm watching a lot of classical music :)

Wow! I'll keept this in mind.

exactly

Thats more like your 50cent :-) . Nice info. Good to know

Agreed !! At least 27 cents worth 😎

asura673 i

Not really. He kept adjusting the threshold everytime he changed the attack settings. Half baked info

not just you. A compressed mess to begin with.

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with this kind of compression he increased the transients. This way it is sounding less flat and less compressed.

what he achieved was so subtle it never even needed to be done.

RU-vid Support imagine the amount of money he spend to get this subtle effect

Welcome to your first day on youtube

@@RU-vidSupportTeams I love how you are correcting one of the most influential and relevant mixing engineers in the world right now. Do some research on his work history and come back to us and while you are at it, let's us see and hear yours.

I love how you are correcting one of the most influential and relevant mixing engineers in the world right now. Do some research on his work history and come back to us and while you are at it, let's see and hear yours.

@@dirtygirl5698 I'm sure his credentials far outweigh mine but what he says about attack in this video is wrong. Thou shalt never correct a person with "credentials"?

@@curefan28 ​ Just so you know, those of us who have tons of respect and been following Hannes Bieger for years know that he loves debunking rules in the studio, he is known for that, but of course you wouldn't know that..... This guy knows the rules and then breaks them as he pleases, and It does not mean he is not "Correct" as you have stated, he is just pushing boundaries as pioneers have always done.

@@dirtygirl5698 It's not a rule, it's a fact. Read my explanation again and look up the definition of compressor attack. He is perpetuating a common misconception about compressors. I guess you don't know how they work either.

@@curefan28 Fact? well, crystallography, once was a fact! where it was once thought that crystalline solids could only be composed of repeating blocks (unit cells) that could be used to tile all of space. This was upended with the discovery of Quasicrystals, but I guess you don't know about Quasicrystals

Compression is generally used to balance the overall level of a track if there is too much dynamics. A compressor can be used to do cool tricks that it was not originally intended for. A limiter will keep your track from peaking. Mostly used on the master bus.

Comp is basically what the word means. It compresses the unwanted peaks. Lets say an automatic volume control. Example; a kick drum sometimes sounds kinda hard and sometimes kinda soft? you can gradually adjust the volume between them so theres not too much difference in amplitude. But hey..I said "kinda" when describing volume differences. If happens that you have a kick peaking too low and another one way too high...you better record those drums again. Theres no compression or eq that can fix a bad recording. Compression is to control peaks , limiter is to put a limit to those peaks. To really understand compression is better to get out of youtube and get a book dedicated to mixing and recording. And then practice , practice and practice all that you already learned.

5-years late, but thought I'd add it in case someone else want's to know.. Yeah, you go individually if you chose, no real rules. But normally a good 'glue compression' is used to bring them all together on the bus.

+Kwipper Ursus same

You really have to be a super criticial/OCD audiophile to hear it. I heard it through my shitty cellphone speakers lol

+Kwipper Ursus Did you watch it in HD? Typically the sound quality on the lower res videos is too bad to hear these small differences.

I heard the difference, too - on my phone speakers :) With time and experience you learn what to listen for.

+Kwipper Ursus Same on Audio-Technica ATH-M30x.

Of course you can. you must be new to the hobby

+Arturas Petraitis this was on everything, but since the kick has the loudest transient, that is the reference he took to listen to how to compress

+Arturas Petraitis Just keep messing with compressor and (this may be more causing your problem) mixing, eventually you'll get it sounding phat & double krisp. Thats how I learn't anyway, just by f*cking with controls! Try compressing your hi-hats, BD, SN/Clap seperately (to give them "individual punch"). Get them sounding as tight/punchy/clean as you can first, then do some group compression if needed, to phatten it all up. Yea it sounds like you probably have a lot of different elements fighting for the same frequency zones. Some careful EQ'ing (and a good bit of Lo-cutting, usually everywhere except the bassline) should fix that more than a compressor. I'd do the compression afterwards. Sidechaining can help with fighting freqs, but only in certain situations. Sometimes having too much going on at once can sound too "dense", maybe thats the cause? I can imagine how that'd kinda "mud up" the punchiness of the track, unless maybe you lowered the volume of everything except the drums, so they always stood out, but then the rest of the track might seem too quiet. Good EQ'ing would fix that too, but I think less is more, especially with certain kinds of music (anything bass heavy, like Reggae/Dub, Hip-Hop, Garage, Jungle, Footwork/Juke etc etc). Try out this stuff man, hopefully it'll help!

bit late to the party but I'm fairly certain youtube's compression itself makes it kinda hard to hear what really was going on.

There was a massive difference, you need the right equipment to hear it and also trained ears.

buy the UAD much cheaper

$3000...

Did you find an answer to this question?

@@dennishagstrom no

Yeah the circuit alone does something, i'll often use mine just going through the transformers and opamps. No compression.

It's because of what your ears are attuned to, or what's "normal" for your day-to-day use.

Word!

+Zach Hixson you'll notice the minute differences when you're using high range studio quality headphones.

we all wish something

agreed. on my home monitors, I couldn't hear a difference, but when I brought this into the studio, it was night and day

Yeah I totally don't hear a difference when he turns the compressor on or off. Sometimes it sounds louder but that could be done with the channel fader as well so why compression?

If you know exactly what to listen to you can hear how transients change, and sculpt the sound. To be honest i dont know of your mixing/production experience but to hear compressors it takes years, at least for me it did.

years? god your ears are bad. one good video explaining compression will educate someone perfectly. this video is just a shit example

Because the compression is sooo minimal (1 or 2 dB of gain reduction in his own words) than it's barely audible.

I love how you are correcting one of the most influential and relevant mixing engineers in the world right now. Do some research on his work history and come back to us and while you are at it, let's us see and hear yours.