When you watch TWQ, TWP, TSP and The Tudors one of the main things that stands clear throughout is that, from their father’s jealousy of his brothers to their family’s power thirst and the paranoia of the Tudor kings, Maggie and Teddy never stood a chance.
It's so touching 😭 Margaret never had a simple life; firstly as a daughter of The Duke of Clarence, later as a Plantagenet at all. She was so good. I cannot even imagine, how awful life was to her and her closest family. Poor Maggie 😢 I love this video 😍
So sad! I almost wept. What Tudor did to those children is awful. Poor Teddy, Margaret, Richard's illegitimate son, the pretender Richard of England... everyone who had Plantagenet blood and a better claim to the throne (half of England had better claim than the Tudors). How I hate that man!
Henry VII was a direct descendant of John of Gaunt. The Lancasters had prior claim to the Yorks. Margaret Beaufort should have been Queen in her own right prior to any of the Yorks.
@@gordonbennett5638 1. The Yorkist claim was superior to that of the Lancastrians, since it derived from Edward III's second son, Lionel of Antwerp Duke of Clarence, while the Lancastrian's derived from Edward III's third son, John of Gaunt Duke of Lancaster. When Henry IV deposed Richard II and usurped his crown, he was well aware that the legitimate heirs to his cousin's throne were the heirs of Lionel of Antwerp; in fact the claim he presented to the Parliament didn't even take into consideration his father line. He claimed the throne by right of his mother, Blanche of Lancaster, thus deriving it from Henry III (based on the false assumption that Edward I was in fact the younger son and Edmund 'Crouchback' the oldest, so that all the line coming from Emund 'Crouchback' resulted having a better claim than that of Edward I). When in 1460 the Parliament decided that Richard Duke of York was in fact the legitimate heir to the throne and not Henry VI's son (but they were not inclined to depose Henry) made him and his sons heirs to the throne of England. 2. Henry Tudor is another matter entirely and so I will separate him from the Lancastrian line. When Henry VI died in the Tower in 1471 the Lancastrian main line ended. At this point the legitimate Lancastrian claimants were the Royal Houses of Portugal and Spain, with that of Portugal as senior claimant. That's the reason why Richard III, after the death of his consort, sought a marital alliance with the House of Portugal (the Portuguese State Council was also aware of this, in fact they made pressure upon Princess Joana to marry Richard III and so unite the two houses, ending England's feud). Henry Tudor wasn't in any possible way a Lancastrian claimant, since his claim was rather dubious and tenuous to say the least. He was descendent in a female line from the illegitimate offspring of John of Gaunt by his mistress, Catherine de Roet. To further weaken his claim the Beaufort line was barred from the throne by Henry IV... an act of dubious legality maybe, but it helped to make Tudor an ever more improbable claimant. On his father side besides, he was of humble origin and maybe also illegitimate, since no proof whatsoever exists of the marriage between Owen Tudor and Catherine of Valois. They had two sons and the tryst came out after Catherine died. At that point Owen, facing harsh punishment for his behaviour with the Queen Dowager, declared they had been married but he couldn't produce documents or witnesses of any sort. The Tudors were recognised solely on the intercession of their soft hearted half brother Henry VI. Tudor himself was well aware that his claim was feeble. From France he falsely declared to be a son of Henry VI to justify his claim to the throne. Then, after becoming king (and be accepted by the people only because of his marriage to Elizabeth of York) he financed researches to prove that he was a direct descendant first from King Arthur (thus the name of his firstborn son) and then even from the Trojan Kings. His baseborness should have plagued him a lot. After Henry VII's death it was clear no one have ever seriously believed he was the Lancastrian heir (despite his desperate attempts to buy himself a pedigree and the myth he was spreafing about uniting the two rival houses and so on); in fact the Spanish ambassador to the court of Henry VIII, Eustace Chapuys, in a letter to his master clearly said that Henry VIII's claim derived from his mother, as a Yorkist. 3. It's ridiculous to think that Margaret Beaufort could have been queen in her own right instead of York. The senior living heirs to the throne, as I said previously, were the descendants of Edward III's second son (the lines of the firstborn, Edward Prince of Wales, became extint with the death of Richard II), so the Yorks; then the descendants of the third son, so the Lancasters; then the descendants of the fourth son, Edmund of Langley Duke of York, so again the Yorks (Richard Duke of York was descendant from both the second and fourth son); and lastly the descendants of the fifth son, Thomas Duke of Gloucester, so theoretically Henry Stafford, Duke of Buckingham, who in fact probably rebelled to Richard III to take the throne himself, rather than to give it to the obscure Welshman, Tudor. Then there were the Lancastrian legitimate female lines that continued with the Houses of Portugal and Spain, so the legitimate daughters of the Duke of Lancaster, Philippa, who married the King of Portugal, and Catherine, who married the King of Castile. In all this abundance of heirs, the illegitimate great granddaughter of the Duke of Lancaster fades in the background, where she belongs.
The damned and unfortunate last members of York/Plantagenet line oh what a tragic end this family endured only because of their threat to the Tudor’s reign. Margaret Pole was one strong woman to have lost some much in her life and to meet such a bitter end.
Watching WQ, WP and SP, you can’t help be feel for Maggie Pole. Her families story is tragic and What is crazy is her family bloodline are the actually royal bloodline lost, not the people on the throne now... Worst part of this story his her death, Henry VIII was pissed Maggie was loyal to Catherine of Aragon, specially after the divorce, Maggie stayed loyal which brought her own death. Plus Henry wanted to wipe out Maggie’s bloodline to take out any rivals. Horrible ending with her head getting cut off and a young axe (probably drunk) hacked at her neck and shoulders, I believe it took 11 blows to behead her... just horrible...
Henry the 7th success rate of the England by Conquest but you was illegitimate. His grandfather was Owen Tudor. Edward the Fourth of the York family was not really legitimate. His parents kept it hush-hush but had that child been his fathers, Edward the Fourth mother would have been pregnant for 11 months and that's not possible. The King was out of the country for a couple of months during the time in which she got pregnant. Technically George should have been King and from his lines so on. Not counting the Tudors because Henry the seventh was illegitimate, the royal family of today would not be who they are. The last real True Blood Line was this York family who was killed by Henry the 8th.
@@gordonbennett5638 that's why Henry VII also pursued to engage Catherine of Aragon to his child Arthur because Catherine is a Lancaster descendant and she was named after her great grandmother Catherine of Lancaster.
For traitors on the block should die; I am no traitor, no, not I! My faithfulness stands fast and so, Towards the block I shall not go! Nor make one step, as you shall see; Christ in Thy mercy, save Thou me! ~ Margaret Pole ~
That scene in the tower with Maggie Teddy and Lizzie. Lizzie looks so guilty because she knows that the only thing that Maggie and Teddy want is to live in peace and stay together, but that realistically Teddy will never be allowed to leave.
They finally cut her head off when Henry VIII came to power-because she was the last Plantagenet living. Or revenge for refusing to acknowledge Henry VIII claim to be head of the Church.
While she may have been the last living person born as a Plantagenet, she had children who outlived not only her but Henry VIII and two of his three children who succeeded him on the throne. One of them was Reginald Pole, the last Catholic Cardinal of Canterbury and Geoffrey Pole, another Church head. They just had different names. While two of the three Plantagenet sons, Edward and George had descendants they were from daughters since Edwards two sons died young in the Tower and George's son was imprisoned by Henry VII by the time he was 11 and thus could not marry and was executed at 24. Richard's only child, a son, died at 10.
She acted like a silly goose at the end of « The White Princess ». Lizzie was trying to save their brothers by setting up a fake execution. Had Maggie remained faithful to her, they could’ve done the same for Teddy and eventually exfiltrate them both to live in the country. But no she had to betray Lizzie and put her trust in a lost cause instead.
That NEVER happened, it was written in for the show. In reality, Margaret Pole would never have done anything to jeopardize her brother or her family. She thought staying quiet n loyal was the only way, n my God she was both.
@@MissxQuita Well, for starters, there is no evidence of her ever plotting. And if there had been, they would've executed her. She was 100% loyal to the Tudor dynasty. The show took several liberties, this was one of the biggest.
Because Teddy is the Earl of Warwick , heir of the Duke of Clarence and he was knighted at York by Richard III in September 1483. His uncle was a King and his god father, his father was a royal prince 'The Duke of Clarence' and to top it off his Grandfather was the King Maker the Earl of Warwick. Both his father and his grandfather betrayed the crown menaing their lands and title went back to the crown. Teddy could not be closer to the throne if he tried.
@@sharonharris9782 Her son Reginald not only outlived Henry VIII but the next two monarchs, both of whom were Henry's children, Edward VI and Mary I. The latter made gave him tiles and put in in power as he was Catholic. He died of the flu in 1558.
The Earl of Warwick was an innocent. He died not because he offended Henry the 7th or raised an army against him. But was because who he was, the son of a duke & nephew of a King. Arrested as a child & hidden away from society in the Tower of London. You can only imagine the terror in his eyes as he was set to be executed, how his mind wasn’t that of a man but of a confused one. Not understanding the reasons why his life was to end. A loving sister who sought only to love & protect him, oh what dreadful shame upon the house of Tudor.
In the series Henry vii kills both the last York claimant to the English throne and a rumored pretender. Elizabeth just never told that she believed he was her brother. The other person was her cousin maggie plantagenets brother. Henry vii felt threatened by his better claim to the throne than he had.
