Queen Margaret strikes the Duchess of Gloucester - The Hollow Crown: Episode 1 - BBC Two 

she TOTALLY rolled a 20 on manip, man. i love how imperious and subtly smug she looks 0.1 seconds before slapping the shit out of the Duchess of Gloucester -- because she knows she's got her. and then 2 seconds later, after the Duchess flips on her, she looks so horrified and affronted as if SHE'S the wronged party. nnggghh SO GOOD i wanna watch this whole thing now.

She was cerci Lannister before cerci Lannister (quite literally I think since Game of Thrones was apparently heavily inspired by the Wars of the Roses)

@@seraphik both episodes of Henry VI in the Hollow Crown we’re very good, and I highly recommend them.

Well, Margaret of Anjou had a brain. I never noticed Cersei's.

Cersei has ruthless and scheming, power hungry but not cunning

@@ajvanmarle She was cunning but like Cersei she was not a good ruler.

Isn't she the fish banger.

People are too busy appealing to white supremacy to recognize how great she is in this scene.

@@HomoChomsky Black supremacy is real

@@historicamenteindependient5778 no it’s not smh

Omg love this scene!!

The establishment aims to rewrite history in order to propagate the lie that Europe was multicultural.

@@thedifferenttraveller5684 She’s half-white

@@alexissimpson5819 again, no. Half nigerian and half ashkenazi jewish

@@alexissimpson5819 no amount of copying and pasting that ridiculous comment is gonna make it better you braindead sheep.

@@thedifferenttraveller5684 It was, go cry to Boris Johnson.

TheCaliMack shame for slapping her maybe

TheCaliMack Upset because the King did not defend his wife against the Duchess.

The Duchess threatened her with revenge at the end but the Queen is very hard and devious. I think the tears weren't real but just part of playing the victim to justify whatever happens to the Duchess afterwards.

Helen Trope The Queen and Duchess did not get on well. By this time, the court was divided: some for Gloucester, some for the Queen. The conflict would eventually result in a battle for the throne.

Katherine Koelker. I don't think this particular conflict between the women results in the battle for the throne, because this incident is between Lancastrians, whereas the battle for the throne was between Yorkists and Lancastrians. The Duchess of Gloucester gets accused of witchcraft and is imprisoned or exiled for that. Gloucester is imprisoned and murdered. Sorry for the spoilers.

Not if the Queen has any sense. This is an insult that by the standards of the time could never be forgiven. Even royalty was not above tradition and the last thing the king needed was to alienate nobility like this.

@@ajvanmarleUm…When the Queen held her Ladies back and looked at the Duchess to pick up her fan, that was a Royal Command. The Duchess steps forward and looks at the Queen. The Queen asks, “Can ye not?” Wanting to know if she is physically unable to bend down. The Duchess looks defiantly at the Queen in a microsecond and then the slap comes. What the Duchess has done is defy a Royal order and has made it known she is an enemy of the Queen. The Queen quickly turns tables to become the hurt party. Brilliant politics here!

2:04 - the queen slaps the peeress

No.

"Can ye not?". The Duchess refused to pick up the fan. Yet in time she would be caught up in something considered far worse.

Ah…but the Queen also knew who her enemies were in that moment. Great scene!

chococo Chen exactly. Great point!

Chococo Chen. But all over the world Shakespeare plays are converted into different settings and different cultures and times. That's the nature of Shakespeare and drama. It's universal in scope and nature. That's why it's still relevant today when other plays from his time are forgotten.

Or a White mandela?

Fred C. It depends on whether the race of the person is crucial to the story. Shakespeare makes points about power in his plays that are relevant beyond his time. His plays are not pure history. They're not totally accurate as history. He changed things for dramatic effect and to please the regime of his time. Modern dramatists do the same with Shakespeare's plays to make them more relevant to a modern audience.

Helen Trope But those plays are done in different countries with different ethnicities. How the hell can they even be accurate? This was made to look accurate, but they just decided to change one single person's ethnicity and that is ridiculous.

@Smiles and the Twisted MD *One does not simply understand a joke*

@Smiles and the Twisted MD*It's still a joke though*

That was too funny! 😂😂😂

@Smiles and the Twisted MD I'm glad you finally laughed for the first time in 3 weeks. I'm now gonna let the 57 likes on that *joke* speak for itself.

Same

Black nobles? In the renaisssnce?

except this play is not war of the roses. Keep it moving, Tuffty

@@rebeccaherschman3069 Girl... you sound like a dipshit 🤣

And she was WHITE

Lydgate83 They used Shakespeare's script from Henry VI. Looks like they left out some of the Duchess' speech in this one.

...its a joke because people are flipping out about Queen Margaret being black

Lydgate83 english history is full of germans and black nobility

Christine A even the royals are german decent and have black blood flowing in there vains queen Charlotte was a black women she was one of the queens of England

Philip Franklin I do not know about black nobility. But the present Royal Family has a partially German background.

But Margaret was WHITE and French

So what? If Olivier can play Othello, Okonedo can play Margaret. Does not matter who the actor is, as long as the character comes to vivid life.

@@deehuckleberry3999 two wrongs don't make a right It was stupid then and it's stupid now.

@@wbheightfive6760holy shit who cares

Oh yea, Doctor Who reference~

Yeah I was Like I just saw the episode (again 😂) and this is in my recommendation and then there's your comment with the reference of Doctor Who 😂 loving it

If You're the Queen I'm The Princess!!!🤣😘🤗🤭💖💕

or perhaps he could be played by an Etonian Gamer.

🤣😂Damn u guys! Now im imagining it...NOOOOOOOO!🤣😭

She’s half-white

😂😂😂😂

... and freeing white people from slavery

@@TheMurtukov with Quentin Tarantino directing

Don't jinx it...

There are hundreds of complaining comments here. Are you too lazy to read them?

Your comment is spot on correct Rebecca.

Smash Mouth. You are another one who hasn't read the hundreds of whinging comments here about the casting

You are whining

Uhm,this is awkward but last time I checked,Greeks were white.

Shakespeare was never an accurate source of history. As a dramatist he was more interested in the drama of his stories.

Margaret of Anjou, not Valois.

So sorry you are so stupid not to realize that this is based on HISTORY. The queen was not black. Wishful thinking won’t make it so.

THIS!!!

​@@karmasauce6288i wanna see white Harriet Tubman

interesting how they kept all them white except 1 blackwashed Queen 🙄 i didn't see asian, latino, indian, etc

Arrogant French woman.

✋🏼 I do

@@zeusgiron784 You saved my faith in humanity.

Than I am glad. As a mix race guy, it is just Shakespeare play. It isn’t supposed to be a historical doc.

@@zeusgiron784 Exactly

That is a very good Question!In that time today,I don’t want see a black Queen too!

A great Actor in a very good scene!

Queen Margaret was seen as a foreigner in England. Though she was French, Sophie Okonedo's background acts as a metaphor for that sense of difference.

@@heliotropezzz333 Riiiight, ;^)

@@jacktrevino1108 Any relation to Lee?

Or Richard III "Un caballo! My kingdom por un CABALLO!"

@@tlotpwist3417 Do you mean Richard III?

c'est margaret d'acajou... 🤣🤣🤣

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂love it

Ahh, you smoothbrains. Making such ludicrously false equivalencies because you just have no concept of how racial issues work, nor their context, nor the function of theater. An American white man portraying MLK, an American black man who dedicated his life to fighting for civil rights for black Americans. If the potential issues with that escape you, I guess you don’t have any concept of America’s racial history. One which MLK himself was directly involved in. Even if the white actor weren’t American, I assume you’re smart enough to understand why a white actor playing a black man fighting for black civil rights might offend black Americans. If you can’t fathom that...think long and hard. Now. Let’s talk about these plays. Shakespeare in particular. These plays are repeated through countless productions, and will continue to be performed indefinitely. And race is not a topic in them (Othello being an exception, but I’ll get to that). Now, what precisely is so problematic about a black actor playing the role of a white English noble that puts it equivalent to a white person playing MLK? Nothing. Because the play has nothing to do with topical issues of race like anything concerning MLK would. And as it is a play that is repeatedly performed, one production with a single black actress isn’t robbing you of your precious all-white criteria. You still have many to choose from. So stop bitching, yea? Your whiteness, nor any issues of race, isn’t compromised by any part of this play. Race is only an issue in this case because you’re focusing on the skin color of the actors, rather than their performances, *which is what shakespeare and theater in general is all about* ! Because your lack of understanding of racial issues makes you make dumbass comparisons like this. Now, Othello. Othello has been played by Patrick Stewart, and a long line of white actors before him, some in blackface. It was generally accepted (blackface notwithstanding) because again, it’s a Shakespeare play. Historical accuracy is not the point, the performances are. Having a white person play MLK, play or not, within 60 years of his death, when black Americans still face the racism he fought, will obviously be a problem. Having a black actress play an English noble over 500 years dead, in a play written and embellished by someone who wasn’t even there to a point bordering on fiction for entertainment purposes, and which is entirely unconcerned with race or any current events, matters so little that it’s only when racist morons like you start bitching using the most idiotic, desperate arguments possible that it becomes an issue at all. And only then it’s only an issue because you have to be educated on the most basic of racial dynamics in order to shut you up.

​@@BeggarsNight What a load of crap. Both blackwashing and whitewashing is offensive.

They had black nobility in Europe

@@patriciagriffith7402 oh you mean they were kings and shit? Wow we’ve never heard that before.

In the play she has an affair with Suffolk, not Somerset.

I feel him. Bet he always wanted to jump out of the window and get rid of stupid humans.

Gross.

She's half white. Half black people play black people all the time. She passes for white to me *Shrugs*

I want to clarify that I calling this comment gross, not the actress.

Dino Fancellu Just watch Gods of Egypt with a Swedish cast, that's the biggest laugh, pink white people as African gods. You people have no shame, crying like you lost your best friend because the sista is doing what you have done since the beginning of film.You play Indians, Chinese people, black people Puerto Ricans and have no problem with it.. At least Queen Charlotte was black and there had been a black Queen of England in history (although not Queen Margaret). Can't say the same is true on the throne of Egypt and in their pantheon of Gods. Last I checked no pink white faces there.But hell that never stops you from lying lol!

It is almost as entertaining as Elizabeth Taylor playing Cleopatra, Charlton Heston as Moses, or Yule Brynner as the King of Siam.

The serpent seed ofc.

*HAND RUBBING INTENSIFIES*

Is there a problem?

I'm guessing this took place before the WoR so Margaret?

Pharaoh of Kemet Yes, a big one. The queen was a white woman. Not that ulgy piece of BBC Shit.

Why?

For white people: Is a missrepresentation of the population and important characters of a particular historical period, and an exclusion from the casting process based on race and political agenda (textbook racism). For black people: Instead of giving us interesting, new black characters, true to our ethnic and cultural identity and heritage, we are stuck with having to play and see representation of white characters played by black people. Is condecending, patronizing and plain racist. The Shakespeare argument: Theatre and cinema are 2 very different artistic vehicles, where cinema is tide to a partiall or total representation of reality while theatre is not. Some good example of some tastefull film adaptations of Shakespeare's theatre work could be: Macbeth (2015): Conserving most of Shakespeare original dialog with a realistic attempt of depiction of Scotish people from that period. The Merchant of Venice (2004): Again conserving most of Shakespeare original dialog with a realistic attempt of depiction of Italian people from that period. Romeo + Juliet (1996): A radical transformation of the classic, set in a different place and time that justify a multiracial casting, while conserving most of Shakespeare original dialog. RAN (1985): A feudal Japan version of King Lear, Ran is an interesting take on Shakespeare work. retelling a classic tragedy with a completely different setting and culture. THIS is the best example as to why these modern SJWs BS does not know how to even make diversity and inclusion right. In RAN you DO NOT have an all Celtic cast with a Japanese king (which would be racist, stupid and tasteless, just like this representation of Queen Margaret), instead you have an all Japanese cast and a story set in feudal Japan, strongly showing the asian culture in a very respectfull way. This is genious filmaking and a milestone in how Shakespeare work can be acomodated to represent any culture and period, and still successfully explore human nature.

I disagree. It doesn 't necessarily mean the casting excluded any group. She was probably the best actress they auditioned and that's why she got the part. This isn't a film. It's a TV series of Shakespeare plays. Why is race the most important characteristic to be accurate about? Shakespeare plays can never be 100% because the original characters are dead and no single person will be exactly the same as the original no matter what their race. With Shakespeare plays, you have to use your imagination.

@@heliotropezzz333 This is postmodern trash dressed masquerading as legitimate criticism.

@@heliotropezzz333 Shakespeare did mess with historical accuracy, but I’m sorry. The Queen was a white woman.

Latonya Johnson im confused on that part.

It is in the original play. She slaps her and feigns not having recognizing the Duchess of Gloucester. And after that, she plans to remove Gloucester and his wife. Crocodiles tears.

No

It is. Too bad she is being used as a "statement", which in a way is very racist.

She’s half-white

@John Doe Yes

I would prefer the Queen Margaret of Cashew instead...😆

But heaven forbid you cast a white actor as a historically black or Asian person. Funny how that works.

@@en21b It has happened plenty enough.

​@@bertilliozephyrsgate6196 and its now comdemed and nob0dy likes that if the same standard must be applied to this

Yes, Anjou is a French name. But the actress doesn't look French either (not even like the Burkha-clad ISIS-brides that currently hold French passports). In fact, she didn't look like a European queen at all, for that matter. The black actress might have played a decent Harriet Tubman, though - which hopefully won't be played by a white actress. Not only for the sake of historical accuracy but from fear that a certain minority might try to start a race war and loot entire neighbourhoods.

missmysterymagic.This scene shows some power play between the Queen and the Gloucesters. The Queen is stronger than the King (Henry VI was a notably pious but weak king who suffered from periodic mental illness). The Duke of Gloucester is the Lord Protector. Basically he was regent from the time Henry was a baby because Henry was a baby when his father died and he inherited the throne. Certain factions including the Queen want to be rid of the Gloucesters because Henry is now an adult, but the Duke of Gloucester is still exerting power over him. This scene shows the beginning of the movement to oust the Gloucesters from power (which happens afterwards).

You can take the boy out of his racist, Idaho, trailer park but you can't....etc..

@@shawn6669 But he’s right. It works both ways or doesn’t work at all….

Mel1lvar I agree they also use European looking biracial to play Storm a bad repretion of dark skin black women

Mel1lvar i wonder what would happen if they cast jesus as a white man. Ohh they do.

Mel1lvar. Othello has been played by white people in black face before black players were allowed to play in the theater. So what’s your offense?

of course shut up

Cleopatra? Elizabeth Taylor? Really?! An Egyptian? We do know where Egypt is located right? Ricardo Montalban played a Native American in Westerns. Please, don’t get me started.

OR RICHARD GERE

that's racist and very insensitive towards people of hawaaian and kenyann descent.

@@damarh yeah it would be wouldn't it. 😂

@Smiles and the Twisted MD it wasn't advertised as a historical film, it was meant to be a Shakespearean production, and in those it doesn't matter who actually plays the character, it just matters on the portrayal. historically, women didn't even act in the plays, it was prepubescent boys. i think the entire show was well made and had very talented actors including sophie, but none actually looked like the actual person. so tbh it doesn't matter if people of a different ethnicity of an actual person plays a Shakespearean character because for centuries people of different genders and ethnicities have played the characters :) of course if it was a historical film, it would be expected a woman of French descent would play Margaret of Anjou, but this is not meant to be a historical film. It is a Shakespearean production :)

@Smiles and the Twisted MD ma'am can you calm down, i was appreciating a actors portrayal of a Shakespearean character? it is not a historical film and shouldn't be held as such.

@Smiles and the Twisted MD thank you for giving me your opinion on the topic. im aware that these events happened, i study them, but once again i will state this is Shakespeare, not a documentary. it's a play and any actor or actress can act in them :) but i appreciate your opinion and thank you for taking the time out of your day to talk to me :)

@Smiles and the Twisted MD ma'am, I'm currently studying them :)

@Smiles and the Twisted MD as i stated before, i am aware that these were people of European descent :) this is not a historical film, it is not event by event and it is not meant to be. this is a Shakespeare production which is a interpretation of real events. for years many people have played these characters and it doesn't matter what their physical appearance would be. If this series was meant to be accurate, king Edward and elizabeth woodville would be portrayed by actors far younger and of course all of the cast would be white as the real people were. the actors and actresses casted were chosen for their skills and ability to properly convey the emotions and themes of the play, not for their physical appearance :)

She is literally nicknamed the white queen for god's sake !

@@scinformation7229 yeah i mixed them together ( elizabeth and margareth ), doesn't change the fact that she was white and blond in all her depictions .

Who cares it’s a show/movie

@jay bell she was a related to Ptolemy, one of great Alexander's generals and first Greek king of Egypt. Do you even know history?

@@stormbringer2840 No she wasn't. Elisabeth Woodville was known as "the White Queen".

We’re just having fun. It’s not very serious. History is in the books for everyone to read. These series are art, not a history lesson.

@@SussexSquadSpaces except it defines itself as a historical reconstitution.

@@SussexSquadSpaces It is not accurate, however it’s taken. It’s crap.

WUZ

+lulz kek N

SHIET

This is a year old but it still made my day

HAIL MOSLEY!

Indeed. Shakespeare fans feel that it's a compliment when Billy's plays are being turned into a farce. I expect similar attendance and applause when the next Jesus-flick hits the theatre - the protagonist being played by the very talented actor William Chong-Li (actually born Vivian Chong-Li, but, as the trend would have it...)

@@fenriz218 It's not a farce. Why do people get so wound up about casting? In Shakespeare's time they watched women characters played by men. This is a drama not an accurate history.

YAAAAS QUEEEN!

🤣🤣🤣🤣

@@angelique25m11 So what's up my ______ with Jackie Chan taking the role?

@@angelique25m11 it's now racist to be annoyed at a black woman being cast as English queen. I forgot that everything is racist in 2020.

@@angelique25m11 Not racist, just sick.

Many comments about the casting, almost none about the play, from people who've not watched the whole play I suspect. In some castings, like that of Harriet Tubman, the race of the character is important to the drama but it's not crucial in this play for Margaret. She was regarded as a foreigner anyway as she was French but it's not crucial that she be played by a French woman.

consider offing yourself Helen, you're a mindless social justice warrior.

Evil etc. What do you mean "offing" and who are you to tell me what to do?

Evil etc. I've just looked up "offing" in the urban dictionary. It refers to suicide. I've now reported you for cyber bullying. Have a nice day.

you're defending black washing, if you did it the other way around the social justice brigade would do more then call you names online.

+Duncan Sands It's a play and plays often require us to use our imagination. When this play was written Margaret would've have been played by a young man and I'm sure the original audience didn't have as big a problem with this as some people on here seem to have with the colour of Sophie's skin. This isn't a play about race (as far as I know the war between Yorks and Lancasters wasn't about skin colour) so I feel that your example of a white man playing Malcolm X doesn't really work here although I notice you seem quite keen on using him as an example....

+Duncan Sands Oooh have I upset you? Context you say? What about a Northern Irish actor playing Richard Plantagenet. He didn't disguise his accent, no comments about that though. Ah, but he's white though so it's all good. And I seriously doubt that about the BNP marches, although it does depend which side you were on........

+Duncan Sands LOL! I really have touched a nerve with you haven't I? I fully accept that you've conceded to me though...... :)

+Arthel Cargill Agree with what though?

+Arthel Cargill I get the point about Zoe Saldana and I agree with you but I don't believe that Shakespeare mentions the colour of Queen Margaret's skin anywhere in his plays.

I don't think hair colour and race are comparable 🤣

@@philbecker4676 its the same.

@@ferzach8687 Hmmm, I think you'd have a hard time finding people who'd compare apartheid and the civil rights struggles of black people in America to people being ginger, but you do you 🤣

@@philbecker4676 hhahahahahahaahha

Yeah, but thats because The Other Boleyn Girl is a movie (and book) that a lot of history lover would rather forget - or destroy.

Yahoo! A fellow who recognized a fave DW character! Episode with the Star Whales, right?

Yeah