the guy just wants to be politically correct and avoid controversy, especially since the"woke" crowd wasn't present (very quiet) in those days. Today, he might have said the same thing but in a more subtle way.
@@rr.studios Facts are facts, people always use this absurd excuse that "well women just haven't been welcome in ....." and it's nearly always bullshit. You see it in chess, you see it in gaming, this pretense that boys are encouraged and women aren't. The truth is that men have always been insulted for being obsessed with chess, or gaming, ESPECIALLY by women. It's just that they didn't care. It was always the girls calling the boys nerds, and making gaming a social stigma among adolescence, and now suddenly they're acting the victim, the gal is astonishing. I will tell you why women aren't world chess champions. It's because evolutionary speaking its advantageous for women to cluster around the mean, while it's evolutionarily advantageous for men to inhabit the extremes. That is true for almost every metric, but in this case we don't need to go further than one single metric, namely obsession. If you take any activity, especially ones that are object oriented, and look at the people most obsessed with said activity, they will almost always be men. And it's simply obvious that the more obsessed you are with something, the more time and energy you spend on it, and the better you get. And yes, this difference doesn't really manifest until puberty, so seeing girls be as interested as boys isn't unexpected. If the problem was that people were actually wrong, you'd provide evidence instead of insults, but you don't, because insults are all you have, which is ironic since this entire conversation is about whether men are more or less encouraged, and all you're doing is showing yet another example of the barrage of bs they have to face each day. Women aren't just not held back, they're being encouraged by an army of lemmings who will stand up for them and insult anyone who dares actually think about things. Unfortunately for you you can't just pull out the sexism of the gaps and assert that any difference in gender representation must be the result of sexism, you have to prove it, which you can't.
@@tickeshwarbabu2741 He also said that the Holocaust didn't happen and that Chess was a waste of his life and he hates chess. Bobby Fischer says a lot of things, he rambles all the time. Why people take him seriously is beyond me.
@@damirfux2265 they took the part of the video where he says "that make men better players" so you can see the subtitles say "men better players" in the thumbnail
Yeah 😂 “men are better players” so taken out of context. he basically says that there’s no reason that women play more than men apart from men being assholes to women and as a result they don’t want to play our stupid games.
I agree this should be a thing in the future, but without women tournaments they wouldn't get any representation simply because there arent enough good women players to compete in major tournament. This isnt because of genetics and its simply just numbers, there are significantly more men that play so we should expect that significantly more men are in the top 1% of players, and participate in the biggest tournaments. Women are in fact allowed to participate in these tournaments if they qualify but it usually doesnt happen, or they rather compete in the womens tournaments. Removing womens tournaments would get rid of their representation if we were to do it right now
@@joshii4537 Its wrong. Women are inherently worse at chess than men. The differences in the brains are scientifically proven. What kind of nonsense is this with the "environment"? There are more male chess players - that's it. Great chess geniuses also grew up in miserable environments. Women in general - by nature - have different preferences.
@@joshii4537 sorry to pop your bubble but in top 100 players alive, none is Woman, the highest MMR player that is a Woman is a chinesee player with impressive rank but nowhere near the bests of the best. I don't think that man do better bc of the genetics but maybe more bc of the biology. Testosterone makes them on average more competetive. I may be wrong on this but I think that contributing it to inequality could have answered the 60's but not modern day. We live in a world (atleast Europe) when women are socially no worse than men and they even get stronger social support to become better than men (if you disagree, imagine someone telling some man to be better than woman and tell me that this vision wasn't odd for you). Maybe there is another answer, that we don't know by focusing on other aswers too much.
Man I hate the internet. Person says the most sexist unhinged shit ever: "wow he's so based, and he's just speaking true facts!" Person has the most basic qualities of not being a prick: "He's just saying this to avoid controversy." Like bruh if everything you say is controversial there's something wrong with you. Maybe Magnus just... isn't sexist, how about that?
@@youtubewontletme I guess but men not being superior to women shouldn't be an opinion man, it's damn common sense. Some time ago they'd say the exact same thing about black people or immigrants or you name it. It's just that women are the "acceptable" target in todays world, and by acceptable I only mean on the internet, IRL you wouldn't be able to say this shit. But I don't know we live in a world where Trump got elected so, fuck it.
Female intelligence tends to cluster around the mean much more than that of males. The average is about the same, but more geniuses tend to be men because of that fact. I’m sorry you’re afraid to hold any naughty views, but your insults are just childish.
*any competition I personally think he loses interest in chess because there is nobody really at his level, different woman perspective might actually be good for chess.
Before Susan Polgar spoke out, it was called the Men's World Chess Championship. She spoke out because she was invited to play in the invitationals, but couldn't because she was a female.
@@orlock20 - a lot of the misogynists in the chat know nothing of chess history - they would rather believe there is something innate about men that makes them better at chess. Incidentally, chess is not the only sport where women weren't allowed to compete, or, if they did compete, weren't allowed to win. There was an amazing British Showjumper called Pat Smythe. In the 1950's she came up against such restrictions. In one championship she won, knocking down only one fence in a three day comp., but saw her cup go to the man who came second.
@@honeychurchgipsy6 There are many countries in the world that treat women and men equally for many years, yet men are still better at chess in every one of these countries. You know nothing about both history and biology.
He grew up with a sister who also plays chess well. But if he hadn’t I’m sure he would have still replied this beautiful and wise answer. I love him so much more for this
There's only been one women ever in the top ten in the history of chess... But, yeah, no genetic differences between men and women? The X and Y chromosome has left the building... LOL
@@v4v819 the X and Y chromosomes have left the building* and also imagine being you. As Magnus said, the environment hasn't been great for fostering women and girls into the world of chess.
Bruh the environment isnt much great for anyone lmao. Men create their own opportunity which should be the Same for Women as well instead of granting them which we aint doing for Men.@@trust_in_jesus
(I'm from Brazil, expect grammatical mistakes 🇧🇷) People on the comments trying to justify why "Men are smarter than women" when it doesn't have anything to do with the video, literally proving that they get emotionally hurt for some reason when people say that women can be at the same level as men:
Men always get pissed off when they lose to women or even face a good competition. Its the "I am man ,I am better than you" that ego,that got hurt and man don't consider woman as an equal competition. Man dont feel same way when losing to a man and losing to women. Thats a man mentality or attitude problem.
Fact? The environment is not being kind toward women?? You mean there are only men exclusive trainer, men exclusive club, men exclusive tournament? Funny enough, there ARE women exclusive tournament. There are no evidence of women or men being inherently more intelligent. But the way they are treated hamper them down, the victim mentality. As long as everyone promote it, women chess will keep being bad and never improve.
@gordgor9172 no. i agreeing with Magnus saying that there is no genetic reason for the lack of women in chess, only because of the culture of chess players (socially awkward nerds who think they're better than everyone else) magnus doesn't fall into that stereotype, that dude fucks
Women are as smart as men, the problem is the will power. Chess may have been unkind to women, but society in general is kinder to women than it is yo men. Hence, men develop iron will power while women become less ambitious.
@@handoverthestromboli6715 Nah... source: life experience, two eyes and common sense. When day to day life will be harder for women, women will become better at everything. Now, the trend is going the other way, so we'll see women become less competent than they were decades ago. It's best to play more chess and spend less time perfecting selfies.
@@carllaurencesolitario2328 googled: 'Many people are interested in the Magnus Carlsen IQ. Magnus Carlsen IQ score is unknown since he has never taken an IQ test.'
The title is "Men are better players". I open the video: "I don't believe there are any underlying generic circumstances that should make men better players". This is a totally different message :)
He put that shockingly well in so few words. I would personally say it's mostly about numbers, but that is a symptom of environment. He's right that little girls can pick up an interest in chess at a young age as easy as little boys. It's simply more normal for a father to teach a son chess than a daughter.
Yeah.... Dont think theres any reality to this. Lets test it though. So we can PROVE that women ARENT as good as men. Never were, and never will be. In any way, besides giving birth, and THATS IT. I welcome ACTUAL DATA. Lets test it
@AL-ju7nn "gender bias" plays little to no role. Just look at the polgar sisters or any tomboy raised by a single father, it's easy to see that girls behave differently and have different preferences based on how they are raised. Girls don't inherently like barbie dolls or dislike chess. That is all culture.
@AL-ju7nn umm bro? RU-vid is telling me there's 4 comments here but there's only 2. Are you unable to respond in a way where youtube doesn't automatically delete your comment?
@@drunkenrampage1588 How can you come to that conclusion when so many more Men play chess compared to Women, Men don't necessarily do better in exams so why would chess be any different?
@@Dale-py1vsbecause female brains have most nerve cells given from birth while men still undergo development till sexual maturation (40 yrs) it's called neurogenesis and is faster in males in any mammals, so women tend to do better at school but men tend to do well in higher studies or in later adult life, everything isn't about gender inequality, women tend to do better during the first half of life, stop taking everything like the entire world is against you
@@ahmedaziz8660 Except Bobby didn't state a fact. If we're talking about averages, male and female average ELO ratings are quite close. Men do have an advantage at the upper echelons of chess, but even then women do have some advantages over men, such as the fact that they are better at memorization and focused studying, which are both incredibly important to becoming a top chess player. The reality is that there is no biological reason a woman CAN'T be a top chess player. It matters from individual to individual but Magnus' point is that there's no a biological reason why the best chess player in the world COULDN'T one day be a woman. And on that he's 100% right.
In academia, there is no consensus on the intellectual differences between males in females. Nothing wrong with assuming that males are more intelligent since in practice males perform better in all fields including Olympiad in the subjects that are studied at schools.
@@sportonjob6110 “Facts” is a weird way to phrase “sub 1200 elo players think it’s ok to be sexist towards women because they think they have an advantage in a board game”
Funny how everyone criticises Fischer because he said women were bad at chess in the 60s when it was true; yet often give Kasparov a pass for saying basically the same thing in the 90s while Judit Polgar was kicking ass and taking names.
I don't know who you think is giving Kasparov a pass, but as I recall the guy promoted a crackpot pseudohistory theory about how the actual history of human civilization is only a little over 1000 years long.
@@daarksideyt No, but the 60s didn’t even have one. When Fischer expressed the belief that he could beat any female player with knight odds, there was literally nobody to take him up on the challenge.
@@Prometheus_Alt No female has seriously competed for the world title, aside from Polgar. Kasparov knows this, but it’s not worth the hot water of belaboring the point. Remember Kasparov has a very liberal Western audience he now relies upon for his income.
He is very intelligent. Always answers very wisely. Very correct answer. Women can be at least as good as men if given the right environment and support.
Not necessarily saying that’s incorrect, but I’m not seeing much evidence for it. For example: Women have absolutely proven to be as good a shots as men, despite firearms culturally being a manly sport and women not being encouraged culturally to do so, women who work hard can compete on par with male shooters in the Olympics and shooting tournaments. But chess… they just don’t.
Very similar thing happening in skateboarding, its crazy how much women skaters have progressed in the past decade since they've been more accepted in the sport. You can't thrive in a social sport/activity if you don't feel safe and socially welcome.
Already happens... Glad to see some backup in those comment sections. Especially Magnus Carlsens Statement about this topic is very welcomed and appreciated.
@Othmane wins Bobby Fisher isn't better than Magnus. Are you crazy? Bobby Fishers rating is much lower than from Magnus Carlsen. You can look it up. And Bobby Fisher is a crazy person, you should research a little. Fisher also believed that the world would end and joined a cult, just to find out that the world didn't end on the promised date. Bobby Fisher is a misogynistic person. In chess he is considered of one of the greatest, especially for his time. But Magnus is the best Chess player of all time.
@@oo0OAO0oo if you put magnus in that eras would he perform the same ? The answer is no and the level that he had reached with little resources is crazy and there is a study that says I saw on hikaru stream when hans was accused that Fischer was more accurate than magnus . second when Fisher said that he was yong and didn't lose his mind yes . And if says that men are better that doesn't mean he hates them you can't really blam blame him since men perform way better.
@@maruxes3307 putting women up as a petty? They will never be better than their male counter part in ANY SPORT. EVER. Never has or never will. Physical or mental.
To all the people saying he’s being “careful” with his words or “diplomatic” or whatever the fuck, you guys need to re-evaluate your life. He is simply speaking facts and treating women like a normal human should.
Of course he is being careful. You can tell by the way he keeps saying uhh and pauses. He’s talking much slower than usual and keep ending his sentences with a more questioning upward inflection rather than an assertive downward inflection. He’s clearly trying not to say something “politically incorrect” regardless of his personal beliefs. His tone and diction here is far different than when he’s his typical confident self if you’ve watched other interviews with Magnus.
@@vaultdweller966yup. The upper and lower echelons of IQ are mostly men. Women are generally of average intelligence. But fuck that, it's 2023 and everybody's equal and capable of the same things.
@@benjaminborromee3804 - please explain how his statement increases his income? Judging by the amount of misogyny in this comment section I'd say it might hurt his popularity - at least amongst the incels - lol!!!
@@TheOrangeRoad Random 14-year-olds have as much influence on the internet as adults so the meaning of new words keeps changing to the same exact thing. Based went from unapologetically disagreeing with the majority, to just anything the person considers cool or correct. Sigmas went from idolizing serial killers, to just any action the person approves of. Ultimately, it's just kids wanting to have their own special word for being a good person.
He's got a big part of why there are so few elite women in chess. I'm not sure he's right about interest though. I think it's something far fewer women are willing to put the time into in the first place. It may also be that men tend to occupy the extremes of intelligence. So the top 1-2% and the bottom 1-2% is heavily male.
@@earthgrass23 what? tf u mean that doesnt matter, he was mentally ill, meaning you shouldnt be fucking idolizing him, he made extremely offensive comments about several races, people and women, obviously the mental illness doesnt excuse his behavior, but it may explain it. youre comment is stupid because not once did i mention his chess abilities, i said he was a dick, which he was. theres a whole documentary on him about how he absolutely lost his head lmfao 😭😭. everyone knows hes a good chess player lol what are you trying to prove. and no, i disagree. hes not "x1000" times better than magnus. magnus is a better player by far, which is obvious since we're in 2023 now. bobby might be more creative, but not a better player. then again you probably dont even play chess so what would you know lol
Their is certainly some truth to this statement, girls have become GMs as early as 15, anyone who can become a GM at that age is certainly very talented and hardworking, the problem starts from there, once they become a GM, they almost stop playing open tournaments all together. Women chess is certainly a good event to attract more girls to the sport but it's a double edged sword, it also acts as a deterrent once a women player becomes a GM, they choose to play in the women only event because it gives them a better chance of earning more money in the short term, they become complacent. Judit exclusively played open and made it as far as candidates. The only fast way to make women stronger forcefully is to ban women chess after a certain age for example 18-21. After this age all women will be compelled to play at open
So you agree that there is no difference in the internet of chess among boys and girls? And you also agree that the environment around chess is unwelcoming to women?
BTW, almost all of these "men vs women" differences can be explained simply be assuming that the two distributions of men and women are statistical equal in their average but the men's distribution has more spread. That explains more geniuses as well as more homeless people among the men. I'm not saying this is the complete explanation, just a possible part of it.
The real answer for me is that women in general don't care about the game, simple as that, and therefore there are massively underrepresented. Just like engineering and TI.
@@AlintraxAika I think this is the reasonable take. Given that we still have crazy social pressures filtering men and women down certain paths, I don’t think a fair comparison could be made of the two sexes. Until we can magically remove the filter of social conditioning determining absolute truths about the brains of men and women will be borderline impossible.
All of these incels are losing their minds because Magnus didn't make disparaging comments about women chess players. You should all strive to be more like Magnus.
You throw around insults rather liberally for someone preaching against making disparaging comments. I highly doubt everyone who disagrees with you is an incel, and I suspect you'd find it sexist if someone were making equivalent remarks about the sexual desirability of female commenters.
@@DmMoiMienNamke.mandimoiroNgu you know that most female chess players who have publicly spoken about women in chess have said that they have been victims of sexism or actual grooming
@Jk that is true, but doesn't mean men are naturally better at it than women (it is a strategy game, there's no proof women are worse at strategies. Actually, they're usually more cautious, so I don't know how that would affect), just that they like competition more, that's also the reason there's more men playing shooters and games like that. And still, I'm sure a big part of the reason why there's so little women playing chess is the environment. Just read these comments and imagine how you would feel as a woman. You would not feel motivated at all.
People in the comments are stupid. Magnus spoke about environment hostility and not genetic reason for being less strong. Fischer(who I remind you was born in 1943 and dead in 2008, and the video where he said those things about women were filmed when he was young) said that they're not on par as men, but didn't talk about the reasons. Truth is that nobody have proof that the problem is not the environment, who says otherwise is just ideologically motivated.
i strongly believe that women are under a pressure men will never be, there were a recent drama and many women accused a GM who did some bad things to them, so i think a LOT of woman quit chess because of this enviroment where big chess houses and tournaments concent this behaviour from male GMs
@@winvinwik he also said there's no genetic difference that makes men better. It's not men being better than women. It's some men being better than some women and vice versa. Basically it has nothing to do with being a man or a woman lol, you're either a better player, or worse.
Or maybe he gave his true opinion? See unlike you Magnus is in the chess world and he plays against capable and intelligent women all the time. So unlike you, he has the real world experience to back up what he's saying.
Comments: "women are naturally worse at chess!" Magnuc Carlson, former world champion for multiple years in a row, arguably the best chess player of all time, could probably beat bobby Fischer: "lol no"
He'd beat Bobby Fischer no problem I think, maybe if Fischer was around in this time that could be a competition. But chess players these days are so much better and have so many tools.
It’s an accepted fact women tend to be more average in intelligence, while males tend to have more on the tails. This isn’t at all controversial. You are simply emotionally unable to accept “bad” facts.
Tbh I think that in our society more boys have parents that are supportive of them devoting their lives to a sport like chess. The girls who might have gone into chess at that level end up as biophysical chemists or research mathematicians.
Exactly! Could girls be just as good as boys at Chess? Definitely believe so! But the question is why the hell would you devote your life to playing a game? The payoff doesn’t make sense. But boys have a little more time to waste in life before having to form a family and those things so they have a little more leeway to focus on a pointless hobby like Chess. Girls have less of that freedom to waste time which is why less girls take that risk Btw idk about physicists but research mathematician is also not a great career path, I tried 😂 but mathematics will prepare you for a well paying career in industry, chess won’t.
Women's chess is less televised and marketed, prize pools are generally smaller, very good women players are less glamorous than men. Until that's fixed we'll have disparity, which I believe is what Magnus is saying when he refers to the environment.
@@hacenemessai125 Seriously? What a pathetic excuse. You have just insulted all the great chess players that have been and are in this world. Socially smart? What does it mean? It seems that this social intelligence is not such a feature, and it only helps in communicating with people and predicting their behavior. If a girl wants to play chess, she will play chess, and the problem is not in the parents and not the chess world. The problem is in the very nature of women, pure biology and chemistry. Women tend to go on about feelings and emotions, so the chance that they will give up chess because it is "boring" is very high.
@@tallmaris its worse, when he said "environment is not good for them" its because there are stoies from anne cramling and her mother of being treated differently to being sexualized , i dont know the frequency of it exactly so i could be wrong.
@@parimtm I don’t think he did, it’s consistent with his general beliefs that he’s held long before cancel culture was even a thing. Magnus has always been incredibly straightforward and honest
@@just8453 why is it so hard to understand that magnus or some men really think that if womens were treated with the same respect they could finally achieved the same level?
Magnus knows more about Chess than the commenters disagreeing with him. All existing information shows that when women do play, they play just as well. Women are obviously pushed out of any hobby which isn't seen as ladylike.
@Jump Jack are you really describing the GOAT of chess, competitive poker player, part time model and certified genius Magnus Carlsen as effeminate while glorifying an antisemite misogynist who said that Jews are rats and women shouldn’t do anything but clean?
The difference is that as they age, increased testosterone makes men more competitive and therefore more likely to dedicate their entire life to being good at a single game. Hence why there is no difference at a young age. There are just less adult women obsessed with the chess to such a degree that they could become a champion, because there is generally less of an emotional reward from being “the best” as women don’t find the idea of “beating” the competition to be as gratifying. Again these are all extremely general statements but they have an impact of the number of female chess players. Since champions like Magnus are 1 in a 1000 in terms of GMs, and there are far less women GMs, it will just take a while for a “female Magnus” to appear. It’s inevitable Of course there’s cultural factors as well but I think in general this is a reality in competitive sports of all kinds, physical or not, and a reason men comprise a majority even at sports they have no actual physical advantage at
@@The_Memer6969 well "most" people won't do any one voluntary activity, thats not really how the world works. There are nerdy hobbies that girls occupy in majorities
He is right, the environment should be more supportive for women. But here's an article from year ago "Among men number 1 female in the world is rated 83rd, second one 216th" Guys there's a difference between striving to support both genders to be strong players and acting like statistics don't exist.
what kind of support do you mean? You are right, they ignore facts to be nice to women, this is very very dangerous and it assumes, that men are in general better, but we just don't talk about it anymore. This is completely wrong.
But we don’t know to what extent that is nature or nurture, and magnus is stating his belief that there’s no genetic reason why women should be worse at chess That shouldn’t be a controversial opinion
there are no genetic differences, the only reason there is a difference is due to the environment they are raised in as he said in the video. we are all born with the same exact brain and mentality.
@@sinchanajoshi3016he said in the video that there is no difference between young boys and girls, disproving the environment argument. or do you think girls suddenly get oppressed the moment puberty hits and therefore improve less than males in every sport during that time?
my honest opinnion is that when we talk about IQ men are not smarter on average then women but the area where men have a advantage is the level of competetivness and emotional maturity when we face defeats, i think its easier for men to achieve equilibrium during a chess game while women have to much of a emotional turbulence
@@greengamer6256 evolutionary biology. Different brains better suited for different things. What is your explanation why no woman can compete at the highest lvl? The evil patriarchy keeping them down? Lol
he is just nice and don't want te be blamed by those aggressive feminist creatures nowadays. It is hard to tell the truth if you are that famous. To ignore the fact, that troughout history until now, men are the competitive ones and women the social ones and this obvously leads to different outcomes in competitive sports, is just hilarious. Posting this shows, how obsessed the video poster is with his indoctrination.
Its actually true what he says about young chess players. It’s almost 50/50 boys and girls players and everyone is fascinated about the game, however as they get older women tend to drop out and stop playing the game. Mostly because of the toxic environment for girls or that they are less likely to get as obsessed as boys
@@leandro6285 evolutionary biology. Gender evolved differently for different needs. What's your reason why the ladies can't compete anywhere close to the men's level? Evil patriarchy keeping them down? Lol
Womens poker and chess has always confused me. Why do they need their own? Surely non physical events wouldn't have a gap in ability like the physical events.
@@chesterdonnelly1212 powerful is the wrong word, but you are right. Us men are more volatile. We are the best but also the worst. 3rd wave Feminism focuses on the best and ignores the worst so they can say it is discrimination
@@pirds102010 yes and I don’t think most people are buying it. Talking about lack of female CEOs when 99.9% of people are not cut out for senior leadership, male or female, and most people just want to earn enough money to support their family.
@@chesterdonnelly1212 the thing with the CEOs comes from the desrire of power I think. It is envy. And a whole biased story which comes from the representation of media.
I really like magnus. I feel like he’s one of the few who’s the best, possibly the greatest, and is still super humble-like genuinely humble (not the fake humble) if that makes sense
he is just nice and don't want te be blamed by those aggressive feminist creatures nowadays. It is hard to tell the truth if you are that famous. To ignore the fact, that troughout history until now, men are the competitive ones and women the social ones and this obvously leads to different outcomes in competitive sports, is just hilarious. Posting this shows, how obsessed the video poster is with his indoctrination.
