Making the Case - 1971 Bucks 

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With collaboration with Gus Johnson, famous sports announcer.

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Bro that’s exactly what I thought to myself when I saw this video

*4 seasons. They started keeping track of his blocks in his 5 season. Also, Bill Russell and Wilt didn't have their blocks recorded their entire careers. If so, Kareem would still remain 3rd, lol.

@@WestSide1207 Perhaps - Nate Thurmond ALSO lost a ton of blocks in his prime to the "no records kept" issue. He MIGHT sneak in as high as 3'd, dropping Kareem to 4'th and (H)akeem to 5'th.

From kept records wilt was averaging 8.8 during the tail end of his career if we say prime him was averaging 11-12 his career average might been every close to 30/20/10 and there would be no goat debate

@@universalplayz7496 Not from kept records - as the records WERE NOT KEPT at the time. The 8.8 figure was compiled by a retired NBA statistician from a SAMPLE of available videos covering appx. 140 total games throughout Wilt's career (and somewhat biased towards the last half of his career). He does seem to have used every game he could find a complete video for the WHOLE game of. I'm going to state without question that the 8.8 figure is probably highly accurate, with an occasional "miss count" due to poor camera angle on some plays, for the available games that those videos were from. However, we DO NOT KNOW what the real figures were as the stat WAS NOT KEPT 'til after Wilt left the NBA following the 1973 Finals. I'd like to see what the REAL figures would have been, had they been tracked at least starting in 1955, for Wilt and Bill Russell and Nate Thurmond (who lost about HALF of his seasons and MOST of his prime) and Kareem's missing 4 seasons. I *suspect* the real list would be Wilt, fairly closely followed by Bill, then Nate, THEN Kareem, THEN Hakkem, for the Top 5 blockers of all time. For "blocks per game, career", I suspect the top 5 SHOULD be Wilt, Bill, Nate, Mark Eaton (the current "official" #1), Manute Bol (current #2), then Hakeem (current #3) in *6th*.

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Good call -- to make the case, just watch his videos. Case closed!

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@Harry Engel I usually overlook the era a particular team plays in, and considering these Bucks, the decade they played in (which turned out to have the most parity of any NBA decade in terms of champions; I do think the Washington Bullets were the decade's most consistent winner, but it's too bad the franchise hasn't been heard from much from since) was just getting started. Also, they were an expansion team that did face other strong contenders such as the Knicks (already champions) and Lakers (future prolific winners & champions). Smaller league, pretty topsy-turvy era, but they really track for me. A young Kareem Abdul-Jabbar? Wow, and Oscar Robertson still had game left (the final piece for them?). Excellent supporting cast supported by great numbers and a long regular-season-winning streak and decisive playoff run; I definitely like what they did (they were no fluke either, as they ran up to 1974 and that season's finals).

@Harry Engel Oh sure, it's a factor some think about, which is totally understandable. But like you said, the time & place was out of their control, and that team took care of business. The fact that the Bucks held together as a contender until the late 1980s is something I give that franchise credit for as well. They've come back alive again in recent seasons, which I also think is nice.

@Harry Engel Due to the Bucks recent revival, I've thought a lot about this franchise lately. Yeah, that 1980s Bucks team was the real deal, it's just that if they could beat the Sixers in the playoffs, the Celtics would beat them, and vice versa. They were right there though, with three Conference Finals in the decade & 7 consecutive Central Division titles (I normally don't place too much stock in division titles for either the NBA or NHL, but I find that streak impressive). Paul Pressy at point forward, Don Nelson running the show, and a team regarded as smart and competitive. Marques Johnson, Bob Lanier (with something left to contribute), and hey, I think their logo is cute (yeah, I said that:-)!

the 1997 heat were INACCURATELY called the road warriors because they went 1-7 in the playoffs

okay two teams that would have a COMPLETELY accurate title of the road warriors are the 1971 bucks and 1980 lakers led by kareem abdul-jabbar

DAMN YOURE 63 now? wtf hows life and what do you think about todays era

Holy shit! Lol

What was he cooking?

Good to see. Bobby should've been in years ago. Had he played in media Meccas like Bill Bradley (NY) and Jamaal Wilkes (L.A.) I have no doubt he would've. Dandridge was substantially better than either.

Bobby Dandridge aka the greyhound :D

@@sandycastles7105 there's 3 greyhounds lol

He don't miss

@@alecryan7559 as snoop said ' that mothafucka don't miss'

and you were right

Clayton if you see this please be more consistent 🙏

yea same when i see uploads from people like clayton crowley i like the video instantly to support coz i know it’ll be good

How does it feel to be 69

@@RandomRU-vidCommenter69420 I assume it's pretty NICE

@@noahsmith170 Yeah retirement and shit

​@@noahsmith170they only won one chip, Wilt and the Lakers imposed their will the next year

​@@aarondigby5054there was so many top 20 players of all time in those '70s and '80s It was hard to repeat. Do you notice the drop off in the '90s allowing the three peat

My dad was born in '71 and he grew up hearing about this team... But the Bucks have been bad to mediocre most of my life until these past few years, it's cool to have a video paint a picture of the team that brought the banners and flags I see at their games and in people's basements.

Mine was born the month after they won.

Why does this say 4 days ago, this video came out less than 20 minutes ago?

@@jalenmarshall9992 Patreon, good sir.

@@PaulMaree ohh

That is marques Johnson .no Gus .buddy

Not going to disagree but I'd also say Pistol Pete is on par...

@@ApolloVIIIYouAreGoForTLI 100% the Pistol may be the best ball handler oat.

He has a good case - on career points alone a case can be made. I love MJ. I miss MJ. But I HATE the GOAT debate. There were just too many superlative players in basketball history to make a case only for one.. A case can be made for Oscar Robertson - he is nearly never mentioned in the GOAT debate.

​@lisaa8795 the '71 bucks should thank the bullets for upsetting the reigning champion knicks.

​@@aarondigby5054 1970s saw ten different teams reach the Finals and eight different teams win a championship, the most of any decade in the NBA, Easily the most competitive decade. Where when you move to the '80s you get the three super teams three of the best of all time the dominated then

Shut down prime dr.j had to believe: dr.j had unstoppable driving move to the basket : great banking jump shot : etc etc

@@lloydkline1518 You're right that "shut down" is way too strong, but Dandridge always played him well. For example, in the 1978 ECF (6 games), he outscored the Doctor 22.8 on 50.8% vs. 21.5 on 47.3%. I was present for the home games and Bobby was better in the clutch. The Bullets won the ring that year and Bobby D was the MVP imo, though Unseld won the award.

@@jaybee5269 jamaal wilke of l.a. lakers gave dr.j trouble : hear dave debusschere gave dr.j trouble too exbition game

Me too

Idk why they were 66-16 and were really dominant

@@elbowgang9715 because the 70s was the weakest era in the NBA

Hoop nasty dunk dunk

Elvin Hayes too

Arguable*

Ask Dandridge. He played for both teams.

@Tong Zou agree. I think Dandridge wins the versatility aspect though. Wes and Elvin don't win (the title) without him.

Wes unsel & elvin Hayes & Washington bullet beat Willis reed and ny Knicks playoff series battles

Yeah I feel like coaching in basketball has been underrated over the past few years. Like when Larry brown and the pistons beat the Lakers in 2004. That team with Larry’s coaching was amazing and they took the spurs to 7 in the finals next year. Or how the Knicks are doing better this year because they got an decent coach in Thibs.

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I think most of us here agree. Only I think Claytons point is that it's not flashy. It doesn't really appeal to the general public who are not especially knowledgeable about basketball. We see see and understand how special it is after seeing generations of players who are not able to pull the skyhook off in the beautiful, and most importantly effective and efficient way that Kareem could.

Only god could stop the skyhook of prime kareem 1970s

People see the end result being a series win in 6 for the Lakers and see it as not very competitive. But the difference between the Lakers winning it in 6 and the Bucks winning it in 6 was a mere four points, the combined margin of games 2 and 3, both won by the Lakers. The Bucks actually outscored the Lakers overall in the series 636 to 622. To me, those two teams were a dead even match, which reflects favorably on the '71 Bucks since they were almost but not quite as good statistically or record-wise in '72 yet they still gave the '72 Lakers all they could handle that year. I believe they were also the team that snapped the Lakers' 33-game winning streak. The '72 Bucks were still one of the better teams statistically in NBA history if you go by point differentials. While the '71 Bucks were #2 all time in point differential at 12.26 (just behind the '72 Lakers at 12.28 and just ahead of the '96 Bulls at 12.24), the '72 Bucks were #5 in point differential at 11.16, which gives them the distinction of the only team in the top 6 that didn't win a title.

@@madcapper6 It was more that of the Top 3 scorers for the Lakers in 1972, *ALL THREE OF THEM* had bad to HORRIBLE shooting nights vs the Bucks when the 33 win streak was broken. Jim McMillan (the top Lakers scorer that season, by a HAIR over West) shot *.368* (.482 average that season) West shot *.313* (.477 average that season) Gail Goodrich shot *.250* (.487 average that season). *17 of 55* from the field, for a trio that USUALLY shot a LOT better than that. The Bucks didn't snap the streak, the Lakers just had a HORRIBLE shooting night for ALL THREE of their main shooters and GAVE the game away - had those three shot their season AVERAGE, the game comes out as about a 2 point Laker WIN.

Gus was an Akron Ohio native!🤔

@@josephphoenix1376 Maybe a relative of Lebron?

Bending the space-time continuum to watch a Clayton Crowley video. Very Impressive.

Time travel is the only way to watch a Duncan Robinson video.

Seriously Clayton needs to pin this comment

What the heck? Did you access the video early or something?