Mario vs sonic isn’t close at ALL… 

This is for people who think Mario is outer (If you don’t think Mario is outer then don’t read this) **Debunking the Extra-Dimensional Expansion Argument** While the Super Mario 64 Nintendo Guide Book does refer to Big Boos as extra-dimensional, this does not inherently imply that the entire Mario cosmology transcends conventional spacetime with multiple dimensions. Here are a few points to consider: **Specific Reference:** The guidebook's designation of Big Boos as extra-dimensional is limited to their ghostly nature and ability to traverse the walls of Big Boo's Haunt. It does not explicitly state that the entire world or other dimensions in Mario are extra-dimensional. **Other Dimensions:** Various Mario games feature worlds or levels that seem disconnected from the main world, such as the Mushroom Kingdom, Koopa Kingdom, or Darklands. However, these dimensions are typically accessed through portals or power-ups, and they do not exhibit the same extra-dimensional characteristics as Big Boo's Haunt. **Contradictory Evidence:** Other guidebooks for Mario games, as well as the in-game dialogue and level design, consistently portray the Mario universe as a three-dimensional world, with no indication of extra dimensions beyond that. For example, the Mario Odyssey Guide Book states that Mario's world is a "3D sandbox" that players can explore freely. **Consistency in Lore:** Throughout the Mario franchise, there is a consistent portrayal of characters, locations, and events that align with a three-dimensional world. From Mario's platforming adventures to the layout of levels and the interactions between characters, there is no substantial evidence to suggest that Mario's world operates beyond the confines of conventional space and time. **Philosophical Considerations:** The idea of extra-dimensional expansion in the Mario universe also raises philosophical questions about the nature of reality within the game. If Mario and his world were truly existing in higher dimensions, how would this impact the actions and interactions of the characters? Would Mario be able to perceive and interact with these extra dimensions, or would they remain hidden from his perspective? **Narrative Coherence:** From a storytelling perspective, the introduction of extra-dimensional expansion in the Mario universe may detract from the overall coherence and consistency of the narrative. By maintaining a clear and concrete understanding of the world in which Mario exists, players are able to better engage with the characters and settings without the distraction of convoluted cosmological theories. **Fan Theories vs. Canon:** While fan theories and interpretations of the Mario universe can be entertaining and thought-provoking, it is important to distinguish between speculative ideas and established canon. Unless there is concrete evidence within the games or official materials to support the notion of extra-dimensional expansion, it is best to approach such theories with a critical eye and a healthy dose of skepticism. cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1179747545392623616/1209416355560955944/image0.png?ex=66277141&is=6614fc41&hm=4dcf8ebbe837b8b6f7ab8d46e6329fbc0464e085a4aeb26029b711d1d7677249&

Excalibur596 already made a great video on this topic. He didn’t even need to pull feats from Archie Sonic which is a different continuity entirely. It’d be like non-specifying or clarifying Aquaman vs SpongeBob but only pulling from his 1960s cartoon feats.

Great vid cj! Using Archie was overkill

I was your 200th subscriber, W vid!

cool looking thumbnail where you get it?

the video went from "who would win" to "please stop pinning them against each other"

Here are both of their feats (I'm only using their video game appearances, any other form of media doesn't count) Both: - They both can react outside of time itself - They both survived falling from outer space - They both can breath in outer space - They both have fought gods - They both have destroyed giant robots Mario: - He can deflect asteroids - He has an army of mini Marios (who can lift Girders individually and use the same abilities he can) - He has fought Donkey Kong (aka, the guy who punched the moon out of orbit) - He has a collection of both invinsible and destructive power-ups (like the White Tanooki/Cat suit and the Golden Flower) and dozens of cloning power-ups (like the Cherries or the Copy Flower) - He can summon his own stars - He can survive being completely crushed - He lifted King Bomb-Omb and threw him - He can punch so hard that he can duplicate the thing he punches - He has the power of the star spirits - He can firebend - He can grow into a giant at will - He has driven the Star Diver - He has a stopwatch that can control time itself - He was a WW2 soldier - He has a magic hat that can possess anyone it desires - He can turn invisible, control nature, glide, superjump (which he could originally do), detect invisible items, generate ! Blocks, and grant him any power-up he wishes with the Badges - He can manipulate reality with the Wonder Flower - He has knowledge of the entire universe - He has defeated Dreamy Bowser, Culex, Dimentio, Angry Sun, Megabug, Cursa, and the Ruined Dragon - He can control reality with the Wonder Flower/s Sonic: - He can run so fast that he can time travel - He has fought Knuckles - He can destroy metal by spindashing - He can wield the excalibur - He has a variety of different transformations (Hyper Sonic being the strongest) - He has flown across the Solar System as Super Sonic - He has the power of the wisps - He has a shield that deflects all elements - He can clone himself, breath underwater (he technically becomes the water, which will take away his physical form underwater), control time, detect invisible things, control nature, and turn into a fireball with the Chaos Emeralds - He can boost, which increases his insanely broken speed - He has defeated Time Eater, Dark Gaia, Infinite, and Mephiles - He can generate energy blasts from his fists It depends on how the situation plays out (whether Capy is with Mario or not, if the Chaos Emeralds have already turned into Super Emeralds or not, or what badges Mario has equipped at the time) Either way, they wouldn't actually fight but rather become friends, but it would be a fun fight to see

I’m here for the comment section 😊

I don't think Sonic fans know that Mario is absolutely used to fighting and reacting at super sonic speeds

Not even 20 seconds into the video and already you exposed your own bias. So you say that when you go watch Mario vs Sonic videos on RU-vid you say that you see bias coming from both sides of the fans and show three comments in your video showing this. Comment 1: These Sonic fanboys be writing essays in the comments and can't accept someone's opinion. Comment 2: Fax Mario solos Sonic+verse in base form. Sonic fanboys can cry out loud. Comment 3: Bro Mario is getting stronger and stronger to the point that this is not a debate it is a slaughter. However, what you fail to realize is that you only show this happening on Mario's side and not Sonic's. What do I mean by this? Well, let's dissect each comment. Comment 1: This comment criticizes Sonic fans for their responses and suggests they can't accept differing opinions. It could indeed be from a Mario fan who is frustrated with the reactions of Sonic fans but could also just be someone who isn't a fan of how Sonic fans highball Sonic. (Trust me this at most could either be a neutral comment or a Mario Fanboy comment I see no hint of this being written by a Sonic Fanboy). Mind you it's only going to get more apparent going forward. Comment 2: This comment confidently asserts Mario's superiority over Sonic and dismisses Sonic fanboys. The strong language and assertion of Mario's dominance suggest it's more likely from a Mario fanboy. Comment 3: Similar to Comment 2, this comment also declares Mario's dominance and uses strong language to dismiss any debate. It's more likely from a Mario fanboy as well. As you can see, you basically just lied to your audience about showing proof of there being bias on both sides when really all you did was show the bias on Mario's side. And before any of you say I'm being biased myself because I'm clearly a Mario fan. I for the most part could see where Tempest was coming from with their video and besides them not bringing up Mario Kun when they decided to talk about Archie Sonic there was nothing else that made it so blatantly obvious they were being biased (not saying they were being bias). I may be more biased towards Mario but I'm not against the idea of Sonic beating Mario in a fight. I'll hear out what they have to say but if I see something that makes it apparent one side is being favored more than the other. I'm going to bring it up. There's more I can say about this video but I'll leave it at that for now.

Drop your cord rn, this is s tier dogshit.

Nice video I recon Game Sonic can high diff or tie with Game Mario.

hard to believe that a fat plumber and a mutated hedgehog spawned a cavalcade of esoteric nonsense. if only y'all paid this much attention in school, you could've been doctors.

Probably should’ve just capped it to Classic Sonic. Then it would have been slightly more fair. Also could’ve allowed Paper Mario scaling since you used Archie scaling for Sonic. Not that it’d really change the outcome; just saying.

canonically both would be pals or partners at best, to take out the bad. if we add japanese shit then sonic is the most polite being and mario is a dude and if we add amercian stuff then sonic is rude asf and mario is still a dude

In the list of power ups, you gave Mario, you included the 1-up mushroom and the 3-up moon, does this mean he can just reappear a couple times?

Why am i one of the people on the biased sides meanwhile what i was trying to say is respect each other’s opinion my bad if it looked like i was biased towards mario because I said sonic fanboys but same goes for Mario fans and Mario and sonic tie for me personally (no hate to you btw)

if this mf hadn't used Archie then Mario would've clapped

You trying to debunk Mario is funny you didn’t even do it correctly and Mario has that get him back up there and beyond

I can get Sonic to low outer in base form with the null space feat

Actually it be a good one, but then he brought up Archie. 😅oh well some one will do it right eventually

Dude even pulled out the comics for sonic but did not get mario stats based on the rpgs Also if it were mario & luigi Vs Sonic & tails Insta win for the plumbers

sonic wins very very easily

Game Sonic > Archie lmao, he has more feats and better cosmology

archie is too good for any mario to handle, hell mario and paper mario can't take him on together, (both are in relative level because of their cross over I think) but current sonic beats current mario. mostly in extreme/hard diff. listen literally, if we take gameplay mario against gameplay sonic as well then mario is fucked since when he jumps he doesn't become a hitbox, yes he has a bag full of items to use but sonic can literally just dodge since he is just faster so gameplay sonic wins mid diff due to the fact he becomes a literal hitbox if he jumps or rolls, and gameplay mario would be slowly getting drained by sonic.

The worst video ever, bro you didin't show scan, and you talk like you alrealy knows mario ☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️

Watch out some people are gonna try for debunk you just be ready

I thought the Archie sonic was not canon into the games I could be wrong

All the hax you mentioned sonic has, mario has that too and can even resist them. Funny how you're too scared to bring up paper mario, mario kun etc who are apart of game mario contiunity.

Talking games alone, probably Mario, if including all media Sonic.

God i hate this controversy nobody can agree it'd be a tie and sonic wouldn't one shot because mario still has nice endurance and cartoon physics (yes cartoon physics iz a power cuz they actually strong af) it'd literally be a tie between them they are matched and if they were to fight it'd be either a little game between friends or they wouldn't fight at all.

I find it bizarre how you had a debunk for me planned when you mainly used Archie feats for Sonic, used someone else’s outdated debunks in your pinned comment, and barely (or just straight up not even) defend counter arguments to your points in the comments. I could say a lot more, including the bias in a lot of areas in the video, but a lot of people have already called your video out and haven’t gotten properly responded to by you yet. I’m not gonna act like there wasn’t work and research put into this, but there’s a lot of things I can’t get by with this… (And I do recall you being the person who got upset about my Mario vs Steve short and tagged me and Tyrecordslol in your short that was very clearly made to bait Mario scalers)

Fairly accurate mario vs sonic. The thing is marios universe uses a lot of magic to have things be possible, sonic's is far far less based on magic which makes him fucking terrifyingly poweful. Mario uses magic and powerups to fight bowser and his machines, sonic uses pure speed and insane strength to body highly durable machines and mystic beings. Do you know whats really scary tho? Shadow is even more powerful somehow. Guy matches sonic and is still wearing inhibitors

Cj well done unbiased and actually looked into it

Game Mario low or mid diffs game sonic and no diffs Archie, Archie isn’t passing complex multi lol

The archie comics are not canon to the games

Using the strongest non canon sonic but not use the strongest mario is crazy lol

i'd win

base sonic frontiers basically solos any sonic before super form before unleashed.

Sonic slams but you got to the conclusion wrong.

Stopping kids from saying first

people severely underestimate game sonic. even he is busted. and people like often use Mario stuff from the Mario shows and other non canon things but then turn around and say we can't use Archie sonic. I think Mario is incredibly powerful but I think he can't keep up with sonic speed. I think sonic would beat him

Mario Wins Easily Like Infinite Invinciblilty Items That Guarantees One Shot, Consistant Time Manipulation Mario Solos Both Sonics Easy!

I've heard ppl bring up how the golden flower was able to one shot bowser and other enemies which is honestly hilarious to me bc it's a game mechanic, if you don't believe then we can bring super sonic's game mechanics into this aswell 😂 he's able to one shot any enemy other than bosses by just touching them 💀 (why can sonic not one shot bosses like golden mario could? Bc that would reduce the challenge of even having a boss to nothing and sega ain't gon make the same mistake nintendo did bc having smth that one shots a boss removes the diffuculty altogether)

Mario is nowhere near 6D

great vid am a big fan of both but I got to say some of the things you did get right for both sides Sonic with invulenrability is non-canon as you shown, and from the reaseach I did for this most of sonic haxs and abiilites are from other continuities, like sonic having wish manipulation is in the movie as super sonic, or sonic being a immortalty is from the arch, only hax you can 100% give sonic is the the chaos energy in him that sonic has in him, we seen that in most of the games now to mario you said tick tock clock is a place with no time at but thats that, a realm where time don't go at and for that you can't say mario would be maybe as fast as sonic in foot because he can only move at it not be as fast as it. Now to the debate category STRENGTH = Mario, Mario lifts and punts Larry's castle with zero effort whatsoever that weigh 61 million tons. Beated dreamy bowser, who with the power embedded of infinite universes and for thos saying its only 100,000 well it not only said it had more but the dream stone said it was infinite. Lifting/Throwing Picks up and throws King Bob-Omb who weighs 34.2 tons. Pulling Drags a giant, painted, golden Chain Chomp by the chain. The chain chomp weigh (66 millions tons), mario damaged bowser galaxy reactor which threatened the mortal realm of the mario universe and due to cosmology, it makes this feat outerversal. SPEED = Sonic, No need to say why, but mario can catch up to him DURABILITY = Mario, Gets shunted forwards after being rammed into by a tank an impact force of about 1018750000kgm/s^2 p. Got flung into space at the speed of 28,437 kilometres per sec and took no damage from it. Tanked getting hit 13 kingdoms away in the sky and got right back up. Is launched out of a cannon with enough force to break part of a wall with the force 3.02 Newtons. And can tank being near the sun as we know the sun is about 27 million degrees Fahrenheit but also he tanked an attack that could end the entire mario cosmology, he also survived the end of the universe. IQ = Mario, was is a part-time doctor. Built a Time Machine all on his own. Is omniscient with the string theory item, and the CEO of a highly successful toy company BATTLE IQ = Sonic, out smart eggman who has a IQ of 300. Plans his moves before going into battles HAX = Mario, he has reality manipulation, firs manipulation, toon force and more, his power-ups are also hax and we know how much power-ups mario has. ABILITIES = Mario, his power-ups count as abilities, fire flower, ice flower, superstar mario, rainbow star, propeller suit, acorn suit, raccoon suit, tanooki suit, gold mario, metal cap, invisibility cap, wing cap, cat suit, double cherry, rock mushroom, cloud flower, spring mushroom, boomerang flower, balloon mario, white tanooki, golden raccoon suit, p-acorn. (also in the rpgs he has all of these things on him at all times) AP + DC = Mario, AP: he beat culex who threatened the mortal realm in one of the mario rpg games and due to cosmology again, it makes this feat outerversal DC: hes a star child COMBAT = Mario, He has a lot of combat in the rpgs and he is a martial artist FORMS/WEAPONS/GADGETS = Mario, his rpg items and his power ups pretty much self explain also he has all of these things on him at all times POWER = Mario, he is a starchild, a starchild means that you were born with special powers, and mario was born with a great amount of strength, he has the power to take over the universe if he wanted to but he wouldn't. STAMINA = Mario, Can perform various activities and travel to multiple regions and entire galaxies with no signs of exhaustion, or need for rest, also he ween sonic push to his limits but mario has not AGILITY/FLEXIBILITY/REFLEXES = Sonic, Homing Attack, Light Speed Dash and his spindash SKILLS = Both, self explanatory. ENDURANCE = Mario, Is rammed into by Bowser's top hat, sending him flying into the distance and falling to Cap Kingdom. (Cappy is floating above the Cap Kingdom as Bowser leaves, to give a sense as to where it is). He's knocked out for an unknown amount of time, but jumps up upon awakening. Sent flying off of a volcano EXPERIENCE = Mario, not only older but been fighting bowser when he was a baby COSMOLOGY/TIER = Mario, Mario Cosmology explained According to the Official Super Mario Nintendo Guide Book, Mario’s Cosmology has Extra-Dimensions. Boos are referred to as Extra-Dimensional, This Means Mario’s Cosmology Functions beyond the conventional Spacetime where there are 4D dimensions. This means a 5th higher Dimensions exist in Mario, The Cutout in Paper Mario Color Splash is beyond time and space ao it's 6D The afterlife in Mario Is a higher plane of existence meaning it's above the Cutout 7D. The string theory exists in Mario it was shown in Wario master of Disguise and Super Paper Mario In the sky This makes the mario world 11D Adding to the afterlife and Cutout 13D. The dream depot is Infinite dimensional because everytime someone dreams in Mario it creates a Universe thats stored in the dream depot. In the dream world You can dream in the dream world meaning those dreams stack and Transcend each other. Paint in Mario makes everything sentintint so meaning any object can dream are you starting to see how broken this is. And the Dream Depot Existed since the beginning of time so this means. The dream depot is Infinite dimensional. Making the Cutout Low Outerversal and the Afterlife Outerversal. Moving on to Transcendent relms or beyond dimensionality aka Outerversal. Flipside flopside is dimensionless Meaning it's low outerveral Platonic concepts are Outerversal. And they exist in Mario it was mentioned in marios time machine and mario party 5. The first time it was mentioned in marios time machine Plato's book exist in Mario and is referred to as the truth by Ariatotle who in real life was the only person to object to Plato's Theory of Forms introduced in The Republic. There are analogies that bear resemblances to those in said book, In the end, if The Republic is actually legitimate in Mario, it would mean the Intelligible World with all Universal concepts exists, and thus aspatial and atemporal Forms also exist And another time in Mario party 5 mini game with plato republic astrology symbols. Another outerversal relm is Matter Splatter Galaxy which is called a super dimension in the Japanese version Super/ Hyper Dimensionality is a state where you’re beyond the concepts of dimensions outerversal DEXTEITY = Sonic, self explanatory. (most of it are in sonic colors, sonic Forces , and 100% at Sonic Lost World VERSTILITY = Both, They both have all different qualities like for mario and luigi superstar saga and sonic unleashed OFFENSE/DEFENSE = Both, both have there offense and defense in there games FEATS/SCALING = Both, self explanatory. WINNER🏆 = Mario Mid diff (I don't want to be bias I love both I even for more sonic items in my house then mario but overrall fight I do think mario beat sonic, also am not saying it would be hard for sonic to beat mario if he had prep or in the right circumstance then yes he can beat him)

number one mario is outerversal and for some god forsaken reason you said that sonic who dosen't have too much hax or ressistances after i did research vs mario who has almost every manipulation and resstance and toon physics yes it is a actual hax abiliy and sonic outdoes that no friend ok NICE THUMBNAIL BTW MAN

Bro used the Archie comics like their canon to the games 😂😂😂😂 then Mario gets Mario kun who has boundless feats

Y'all mario is high outer

These Mario fanboys deadass lost their mind 💀

and also sonic beats mario and I mean if both are from the games then sonic wins, since sonic is really stronk and faster than mario, yes mario reacted to light but remember sonic was 9.5x light speed before frontiers but now it's clear sonic wins, and I mean sonic from the games not archie, archie is overkill against mario just put paper mario and archie sonic, literally sonic will still clap him but archie sonic isn't canon sonic like how paper mario isn't mario so basically game sonic beats mario at hard diff and archie beats the shit out of paper mario mid diff. (literally paper mario has no way of escaping the zone of silence)

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Mario negs

Mario Wins (I just played a round of Smash Bros)

I respect your opinion tho I would disagree