Mark Horowitz, MBBS, PhD: Researching Psychiatric Drug Withdrawal

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Guest Bio: Dr. Mark Horowitz is a training psychiatrist and researcher who has a Ph.D. from King’s College London on the neurobiology of depression and the action of antidepressants. He also, for many years, took the drugs he prescribed. When he tried to come off them, he had a quick and sharp education into the world of withdrawal and the lack of knowledge in the medical field about this topic. Since then, he has tried to bring more awareness to the topic of safe de-prescribing of psychotropic drugs through his academic work, including articles published on how to safely taper antidepressants and antipsychotics, and work with the Royal College of Psychiatrists in the UK on developing their guidance for patients stopping antidepressants. He is currently the clinical research fellow on the RADAR trial in London, looking at the effect of gradually tapering people with schizophrenia off their antipsychotics.
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@jbs9012 3 года назад

Grateful to hear of another courageous person determined to be free. Thank you Mark and Nicole.

@estelled389 3 года назад

Thank you thank you and God bless you Nicole 🙏 these heinous POISONS MUST BE ABOLISHED. And Doctors held accountable for the torture they put us through. There are a handful of good Doctors.

@allisonchainz82 2 года назад

This video means a lot to me. Thank you so much for sharing. I am currently tapering mirtazipine and have been through hell. Biggest mistake of my life ever taking this poison. Every doctor I’ve seen have dismissed my symptoms as either too rare to be real or something else besides withdrawal making me feel crazy. I have had to somehow keep my life together and keep my job and a roof over my head while coming completely apart. It’s alll to much to bear sometimes

@upendasana7857 3 года назад

"doctors are not bad people"...I have to disagree,some of them are,some of them are simply narcissist,arrogant,self interested,negligent and some down right sadistic.Yes many might well just be constrained and indoctrinated by their training and then theres choosing not to see certain things or enjoying just taking the salary and status...how can you be a psychiatrist for any length of time and not see how the drugs don't work and not understand they are not treating illness but treating people who have been traumatised,how can you be a human being of any kind of intelligence or awareness and not see this ?!!! It must requite a certain wilful tunnel vision

@lindaparris3523 Год назад

Such an incredible story. I’ve been on Effexor for 20yrs & suffer from CFS but slowly weaning off it. I have hope now!!!

@carolinebest3240 Год назад

I'm just about to start coming off this drug. I'm on 225mg so have a long road ahead. Well done with your withdrawal so far. 😊

@bruji2001 2 года назад

Wow! Thank you Mark for this very relevant and insightful content❤️ It was just what I was suspecting and hoping to find I wasn’t cuckoo in my assumptions after 20+ years of being drugged up and messed about😩🤕🙈 Thank you again you don’t know how much this video has helped me to feel validated Nicole and Mark much love to you both from 🇬🇧 (I am tapering at present ) 🙏 xx

@veryskeptical2409 3 года назад

Nichole this is a great interview. You have a gift of asking the good questions and going down the most informative road. Thank you so much.

@MedicatingNormal Год назад

Thank you!

@JacquiQ 11 месяцев назад

@@MedicatingNormal U R great Nichole TY for all you do 🤎🖤🤍

@mgray3130 3 года назад

Oh my, oh my, we are all in this same boat! For the lay person it sucks big time! I had/have a BS in nursing and so believed all things taught! I had a chemical imbalance, yes that was it and believed it for 20 years plus. I'm done with the whole mental health system, or should we say the mental drug system?

@nokomismn9685 3 года назад

It has nothing to do with health unless you spell it HELLth.

@privateperson5769 Год назад

Same ! I was a Reg'd Nurse also and yes we just believed everything we taught out of a nursing book. I am done with it too. I cannot wait to never have to go to a Dr ever again or to be tied to getting scripts, and begging them to help me. Over it. I like my Dr but anything to do with my mental health - nope - just do not go there, they are not expert enough in this field. And the Psychiatrist I went to once was bl**dy awful. Never want to go to another "specialist" again or to another test at the hospital. Just over all of it. The whole medical system.

@kristinjohnson8736 4 месяца назад

Same!

@OreElect1 3 года назад

Great video. Thank you Nicole and Mark. Good to see more awareness being brought up. For me, finished up a klonopin taper, 1mg 33 months. No more than 2-5 every 2 week's. SSRI so far almost 4 year's of tapering no more than 2-5% every 4+ week's on the SSRI being on the vertical slide, no more than 2%. Dependency and withdrawals is reality. 8 months of recovery from following my doctor's and pharmacists tapering guidelines. Totally clueless.

@sangeetalambh6389 2 года назад

Ore elect how r u now

@OreElect1 2 года назад

@@sangeetalambh6389 I'm doing well thanks for asking. Cognitive has continued to improve from the benzo. Truly recovery happens long after being off. My journey continues with tapering the SSRI. 4 year's so far. Awareness, slow tapering and patience is key to recovery.

@sangeetalambh6389 2 года назад

@@OreElect1 did ur depersonalization fade or gone now friend please ans my friend 253 days sober now

@vedatzorro Год назад

That's is the key he says " I have never had a lecture on withdrawal symptoms from medication"

@Karen-mu7fq 3 года назад

Wow, that would be so challenging to debate a colleague while being both provider and patient. Kudos.

@tylerwickett4592 Год назад

I've experienced all the same issues you guys are talking about while taking antidepressants

@beautifulspirit2973 Год назад

I'm coming off Valium after 20 years. It's scary but I want me back. This video is inspirational. Thank you!!

@mihaitilting7081 11 месяцев назад

You feel better now ? 😅

@mihaitilting7081 11 месяцев назад

In trying to get off to 😅

@beautifulspirit2973 11 месяцев назад

@@mihaitilting7081 Much better thanks

@user-dg7sy8cz3b 3 года назад

Watching my father who is in his 80s fight the effects of over 20 years on Gabapentin made me realize what klonopin was doing to me.

@lenorepaletta9267 3 года назад

How is your father doing now?

@biljbiljthekid6930 2 года назад

I'm so determined I want to come off paroxetine, but each time I try I end up back on 10mg at least...please help me

@marckrulewitch2403 2 года назад

The plural of "anecdote" is "DATA."

@jeanette5524 Год назад

Wow, so clear.... describing symptoms of anxiety and depression are anecdotal! Thank you.

@specialklf 2 года назад

I've been trying to wean off of Cymbalta/Duloxetene for at least 4 years. I have a 30mg capsule and count out some of the pellets to try and wean the dose. Currently I count out 42 pellets a day. I've tried doing more but then end up increasing the dose b/c of side effects. Main side effect for me is headaches which trigger a migraine for me quite often. I also get nausea and dizziness. I have tried going off of Cymbalta all together for a month but started back b/c of the side effects. The reason I'm trying to get off of this med is b/c of increased heart rate, increased heartburn, dizziness at times and night sweats. I initially agreed to take this medication b/c it is supposed to help with knee pain but at the 60mg dose. I mentioned to my doctor a few months back I'd been trying to get off this medication for years but can't b/c of withdrawal side effects. I'm sure she thought I was crazy.

@MedicatingNormal 2 года назад

It took me 2 1/2 years to wean off Cymbalta. I did the same as you - would taper about 10 beads out every few weeks. I never went back up in dose, just slow and steady descent. Yes, it will be uncomfortable, but I think it was better for met to get off it sooner rather than adding time to how long I was on it. ~Angie

@kristinjohnson8736 4 месяца назад

Dul*** is a very troublesome drug to come off of...5% reduction every 14 days and if experiencing withdrawal symptoms go slower. I am down to 8 beads and have to hold more than 14 days as withdrawal symptoms increased as I get down to the end. I have been tapering 3 yrs!

@debrajanzen6661 2 года назад

Thanks for sharing Mark's honest and compelling interview. Very informative, especially about how Psychiatrists think.

@Viper-jk2pf 3 года назад

A psychiatrist taking psych meds? Glad he learned something from being a patient himself...

@archiesimpson5172 3 года назад

It's not as uncommon as you'd like to believe.

@darkprinceofdorne Год назад

That was so good

@xrrrismickey 11 месяцев назад

Good conversion.

@shan4145 5 месяцев назад

📖✍️💎📚👩🏻 Thank You Both!💖✨

@shan4145 5 месяцев назад

My fucking heart breaks too🙋🏻‍♀️🇨🇦

@ahmedmizo6031 2 года назад

God bless u Mark u are a gift from god

@alisonrogerson3143 2 года назад

I would be so delighted and relieved to become an outpatient at any of these new organisations which Mark is setting up. However, I live in Scotland. I could manage a bi-weekly visit

@MyBenzoHell Год назад

Thanks so much for these talks Iv learned so much I’m going to stay on diazepam until the worst of the withdrawals from mirtazapine (remron) have gone so far tapered diazepam for 1.5 years . Slow and steady. ❤

@melaniemoore5635 Год назад

Magnesium will cut out most gabapentin withdrawals.

@Tilr701 2 года назад

What are the options if not going with psychiatric medicine? During the times of crisis patients have no other option than to go with medicine. Right now i am going through klonopin withdrawals and i am losing pretty much everything; feeling crippled sitting here, fighting with sleeplessness. Is there any way out of this hell, i wonder. In emergency i have to rush to a Psychiatrist 🤷

@kannonmcafee Год назад

Natural medicine (herbs, homeopathy, TCM, etc) has many options to smooth the way and actually meet your body's needs.

@poltable Год назад

Hi, good, I met Dr. Mark on the net. Does anyone know how I can communicate with him? I also took antidepressants for many years, thank you very much!!!

@MedicatingNormal Год назад

website: markhorowitz.org

@Spider_7_7 8 месяцев назад

The intro is 0:00 to about 3:40.

@JenniferMueller-mu9tt 2 месяца назад

How are you now ?

@sharonendler1467 Год назад

how can I contact ANYONE you interview? And if any of these professionals have any experience with healing mental illnesses with William Walsh’s Nutrition therapies by evaluating epigenetic expression under over methylation, He and Carl Phiffer treated over 30, 000 patients with every type of mental illness? please help

@ScottTheKrusher Год назад

coming off clozapine. not slept in a month 2 weeks and 2 days. my nightmares are bad. no drugs no smoking no alcohol. have tried everything. my body is not doing well. going to try eggs tonight before bed. been on meds for 26 years. 15 years on the clozapine.my parents have had me in psych wards for 8 years. only seen a Psychiatrist for 15 minutes for 26 every month. I need a psychologist. god bless everyone. let me know if anyone has any ideas. thanks 🙏🐕

@jasonm7684 11 месяцев назад

Hello, i took clonazapem for a while and was getting big problems getting back to normal when i came off them. You have to taper the drugs, however, what really helped me is taking A LOT electrolytes. In particular, I took one called Zen Zei - electrolytes, twice a day. Excercise is really good, long walks in nature and fresh air. But the electrolytes were really good. Take 3 a day, one with each meal. If you cant find that brand, try taking Magnesium, potasium, phosphorus and zinc together, which is the same thing. The zen zei supplement has all of them. Good luck to you, i hope it helps.

@ScottTheKrusher 11 месяцев назад

@@jasonm7684 Thank you

@ScottTheKrusher 10 месяцев назад

thank you

@jasonm7684 10 месяцев назад

@@ScottTheKrusher no problem, i hope it helps. I know hope is in short supply. Let me know if it helps you.

@snuppypuppy6693 2 года назад

Would it be possible to add "subtitles" feature for the film Medicating Normal? English is my second language and I suffer from hearing loss.

@MedicatingNormal 2 года назад

I believe we already have that feature turned on. You just have to click "cc" in the bottom right corner of the video.

@snuppypuppy6693 2 года назад

@@MedicatingNormal No luck. I cannot find the icon "cc" in the bottom right corner of the video or anywhere else on the screen.

@MedicatingNormal 2 года назад

@@snuppypuppy6693 Do you see where the PLAY button is? Draw a line to the left of that and first is "autoplay" next is cc.

@snuppypuppy6693 2 года назад

@@MedicatingNormal There are no options for "autoplay" or "cc." I am viewing the documentary on an Acer Chromebook, not a laptop/desktop computer. Would that make a difference? The option icons are formatted in a similar style to that of a VIMEO video (VIMEO does not have a subtitles option.) On my screen, at the bottom of the computer screen,from left to right, there is a "play" icon, long bar=video counter, 5 vertical bars in ascending order in size=volume, "widget" icon= quality 720p set on auto, and the icon for full screen. I am sorry to be a bother. :(

@Jack-hy1zq 2 года назад

@@snuppypuppy6693 Top right side.

@maryhannahsmith9307 2 года назад

Nicole, have your symptoms lessened over the years or are they still as bad as when you came off meds? I know you said you’ve been off for over 8 years.

@MedicatingNormal Год назад

They lessen, but I still struggle w/ debilitating stuff, sadly.

@planetbspace 11 месяцев назад

@@MedicatingNormal oh dear. I’m living through my third PAWS from SSRI withdrawal. I reinstated yet again. Only just now am I learning of protracted withdrawal etc. Doctors told me I was relapsing but of course I never had these symptoms before. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-j5cT-2BLWk0.html

@INNERHEALINGSANCTUARY 3 года назад

Psychiatry is not scientific

@montesa9136 3 года назад

There is Nothing to measure, unlike regular medicine. However, it's sometimes better to guess than do Nothing

@fubar6634 3 года назад

@Montesa medicine and science isn’t based on guess work. only psychiatry is so NO, it is never better to guess.

@montesa9136 3 года назад

@@fubar6634 So you figure all these people with poor mental health would be better off without Psychiatry? Your are right that Psychiatry is not Scientific but there is certainly a HUGE need for it. Scientific or not, Psychiatry has helped many people. Things don't always have to proven in Empirical Science to be of benefit to people. We are still in the Dark Ages when it comes to understanding & treating mental health, but it's the Best we have at the moment, & it's certainly better than nothing!

@montesa9136 3 года назад

@P K Ok, but what if those toxic drugs provided the only relief from ongoing relentless suffering? Would a person be better off not taking them when all other alternative treatment options have proven to be ineffective? I think NOT!

@montesa9136 3 года назад

@P K Not all psychiatrists lie to their patients. The "Chemical Imbalance" theory was invented & pushed by Big Pharma. It may be true that depression causes chemicals to go out of balance in ones brain. It just has not been proven Drugs are a piss poor way of dealing with unhappiness. But what might you suggest otherwise? I was medicated for 30 years, & I'm now off all meds & doing TERRIBLE!. I"ve also tried all the Alternatives without any success. What advice would you give someone like me? I don't believe a person's suffering is subjective at all. It is as REAL AS IT CAN GET! Nothing subjective about it! Others can also see the suffering objectively. Lastly, Psych meds are not toxic to everyone. I know people who motor through their entire lives heavily medicated without any negative side effects. They do not suffer that unhappiness of depression & are thus, happily married to their drugs

@vedatzorro Год назад

If our drug already not helping us for example i have been taking 1 year 100 sertraline and it doesn't work or just little work. Should i still do hyperbolic tapering or i can go faster?

@MedicatingNormal Год назад

Hi, it has nothing to do with if it works or not. It has to do with if you've developed physical dependence, which will cause you to experience a withdrawal syndrome. Here's a paper that might help you: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9911477/

@vedatzorro Год назад

@@MedicatingNormal Thank you for your answering. Your videos help me a lot. i am reading this article

@MedicatingNormal Год назад

@@vedatzorro You're very welcome! Thank you for your kind words about our work.

@snuppypuppy6693 2 года назад

snuppy puppy says hi!

@mvann5 3 года назад

If the withdrawal can be permanent, as Dr. Horowitz says, what is the answer? What if you've been on more years than off? If you function better on meds might you just stay on? Is it possible to contact Dr. Horowitz?

@montesa9136 3 года назад

The answer is; it's a flip of a coin. I'm in that exact position. I was medicated for 30 years & am now not taking anything. I'm doing TERRIBLE off the meds, but I developed over a dozen serious medical issues that I feel might be linked to long term med use. I'm suicidal, but also hesitant to reinstate due to the many side effects. I feel, if you are unfortunate enough to have a mental illness that cannot be cured, we are simply left with how we want suffer through the remaining years.

@mvann5 3 года назад

@@montesa9136 Where are you? I had sleep prob but no mental illness. I realize many did have one. Wish knew what to do.

@dmahadeo 3 года назад

There is something you @Montesa , we, can all do. I have been off and on of Prozac, Paxil, Xanax, Amitripteline, and last Valium, that last one for more than 6 years straight and increased my dosage every few days to 15 mg with alcohol at night just to get one night's sleep out of many totally sleepless nights per week. In the mid 90s I was institutionalised against my will because of suicide attempts. However, I have been drug free for three and a half years. Went cold turkey off Valium (wasn't aware it had to be tapered) and nearly went crazy, among other things. However, I now sleep good four nights per week, approximately; with no totally sleepless nights anymore. Mood is great and feeling better than I can recall in my entire life, and I am 57 years old. I am so productive now and generally happy. My only concern is the mental health of my younger daughter. I was divorced while she was a toddler and she's now 14 and having similar issues. I just wish that I can educate her mother on the topic. What worked for me? The carnivore /meat-based diet. It wasn't easy, because that itself has acclimatisation issues. But it was a miracle for me. Search for how carnivore affects mental issues - Dr. Georgia Ede and Amber O'Hearn. There is definitely light at the end of the tunnel.

@montesa9136 3 года назад

@@dmahadeo Good story, & Congratulations! There is Definitely NOT a light at the end of the tunnel for a lot of people, It is so common to hear a success story & think Everyone can do the same. We are ALL Different!

@dmahadeo 3 года назад

@@montesa9136 we will never know till we try. Many, many people are getting relief from mental problems, regardless of its source (trauma in childhood, abuse, PTSD, genetic, etc) via the carnivore diet coupled with mindfulness, sunlight exposure, DBT, CBT, etc. In my case, I had nothing to lose. As you say, everyone is different and I had a lot of experimenting to do. I am still tweaking my lifestyle. I have gotten into some far out stuff such as eating, beef brain, bone marrow, lots of raw oysters, etc. things that would have made me nauseated in my former mindset, but nutrition can sometimes transform the way we view everything. Best luck on your journey. All I can say is never give up the search or the fight.

@mobillegenuiya4586 7 месяцев назад

The fuck you meant by depersonalization? I just feel heightened sense of anxiety, insomnia, and i don't feel in any way that depersonalization shit.

@montesa9136 3 года назад

I'm Very Confused! All these people were originally put on meds to treat a Severe Underlying condition What happens to these underlying conditions once you stop taking the meds? I suffer from Major Depressive Disorder, & it CERTAINLY does not magically disappear after the meds stop! Why is this topic never discussed?

@jlroussin 3 года назад

Montesa many many people are prescribe these drugs for minor to moderate depression and minor to moderate anxiety. I was one. I’ve been to therapy and am learning Non-drug coping techniques that I never learned growing up due to being raised in a dysfunctional home

@montesa9136 3 года назад

@@jlroussin I hope these alternative therapies work for you. I've done many of them over the years but find they are much too expensive, exhaustive, cumbersome, long winded, & don't last.

@montesa9136 3 года назад

@@jlroussin I suppose some people can learn ways to cope with mild to moderate depression or a misdiagnosis. But for Major Depression none of these things even begin to work.

@montesa9136 3 года назад

@@smilemor-phony5964 & your saying this why? Because these alternative methods did not work for me?

@fubar6634 3 года назад

No not all. i had a medical physical issue that was misdiagnosed as anxiety because of incompetent doctors.

@EmbraceTerror 8 месяцев назад

If you're not sble to tell your anecdote, are you supposed to organize your own empirucal research study to confirm your snecdote? Too funny!! By the way, empirical evidence us the items you observe with your senses. If your "anecdote" isn't accepted, then they aren't accepting you. Hmmmm.

@alyssamiller9329 Год назад

I've been dealing with protracted effexor withdrawal... Even after being bridged with Prozac then switched to trintellix... It's this possible? To have withdrawal from the original med while on other antidepressants? PLEASE help... 😭 @MedicatingNormal