After seeing your videos on this and reading about them I decided to try to find and get one instead of the Ruger takedown. Found them online for $280 but really wanted to put my hands on one first. Today I called a local gun shop and the guy said "oh they haven't made those in a long time" then said to hold on while he talked to another clerk. Came back on the phone and said there actually still had one leftover on the shelf. I asked how much and he said $119. I couldn't get up there quick enough.
Your .22 rifle reviews are your greatest contribution to the gun community. You bring new shooters into the market and beg older shooters to fall back in Iove with their first caliber. Thanks again Nutn.
One of the first firearms I owned when i lived in update NY. Picked it up at a pawn shop, blued with wood. Nice gun, would love to get another some day but they are not as easy to find anymore. Like this gun a lot.
I see a lot of calls out for the 10-22 takedown. I have one and a Papoose. The Marlin is MUCH lighter, occupies less space. I kept mine light, simple and accurate by fitting Tec Sights on it. It never fails... (nor has the 10-22 to be fair)
As always, great and fun review! Just thought I'd share my own go-to kit: I have a Henry AR-7 (you really should give the Henry-made rifle a chance BTW) with 3 loaded, 8-rd. mags and and an extra 100rds. PLUS - my PRIMARY armament - a Primal Gear 50lb-draw, folding, take down longbow with (believe it or not) take down arrows. Including other accessories - hunting points, field points, extra fire kit, cleaning cloths, FA, etc... It all fits in an old take down fly rod bag about the size of your 10/22 take down bag... That's two systems in one kit! A bow is VERY quiet, lightweight and affords the extra advantage of reusable/easily made ammo in the field. Then, I still have the AR-7 as a more critical backup (plus holstered sidearm, of course)... Also wanted to mention - in the three years I've owned the Henry, not one failure to load/eject. BUT - subsonic rounds and shorts will not cycle the action. Thanks for your ongoing efforts in TNP! Would love to meet you at SHOT if you're going next year!
The marlin is great but my vote is still for the ruger 10/22 takedown. Just my personal preference. No tools needed. Super reliable. decent accuracy. Not over priced. The Multicam stock, threaded barrel model is the one I own and the one I recommend.
Great POU discussion as always. I am currently using a SU-16 for this type of use as a survival rifle when flying over empty terrain. As I don't plan on hiking it very far the extra ammunition weight is quite worth it for me to have center fire fire power. However you mentioned the CMR30 and I have to admit, it would also be a great option.
Thanks for another great vid Nutn! Keep up the great work you do for us all. Side note, I took my wife and 2 boys camping this past weekend up in Mammoth Lakes, CA. And while up there, I couldn't help but hear your voice in my head regarding many things; i.e. being prepared for the hikes we did(SAWC) and just making memories with your family which TNP definitely hits on hard. Thanks for the inspiration you give us all to get out and live life! VIVA LA TNP!!!
I was just talking about this rifle yesterday with my dad. I picked one up from a friend 10 years ago for $60 in excellent condition! Great camping/backpacking/survival rifle in my opinion.
Yes finally a feature length on the papoose!!! Been waiting for it. I thought I was all good with my takedown 10/22. This is making me think twice. Can't beat bx-25 mags though
Probably my favorite super light, high value, and compact survival rifle of all time: time for a real tabletop on the excellent Marlin Papoose Model 70PSS.
I've been in the market for a .22, if this has the Nutnfancy stamp of approval then I may have to add to my repertoire! if I can sneak it past the old lady that is ;) 350$ in Canada
Canadian Prepper Is this a firearm you are allowed to own in Canada? If so, what does it take for you to purchase one? Is ammunition available up there for it?
+ampjdtc I'm not Canadian but I assume that a .22 rifle is not high up on the list of illegal firearms to own. It isn't as scary as a Kalashnikov or AR.
I had one of these back in the 90's but sold it ... You wont regret it, unless you sell it like I did,..LOL Great Rifle...shoots as good as Nuttn' says it does too,...
ampjdtc While it's not cheap, we do have .22 ammo readily available at this time (at least in western Canada). Firearm laws in Canada are a subtle mix of pointless and dumb, so I won't elaborate on the details, other than to say if I want to buy a .22 rifle and/or ammunition I just flash my licence to the counter guy, pay for the stuff I want, then go shoot.
+The West Will Rise Again! You'd be surprised what Canadian Gun laws let us get away with (Shhh...Don't tell the NDP or Liberals; it's an election year.) Some scary guns are outright banned and some are unrestricted, like 14.5mm anti tank rifles(?) for the really big moose! Steyr AUGs are banned, but Tavors are ok and AR 15s are allowed only on approved ranges. Rim fire rifles are unrestricted and have unlimited magazine capacity, but not rim fire pistols, so the PMR 30 is capped at 10 rounds. Before the mass shooting in Montreal in the 90s, I remember going into the local Army Surplus store and seeing AKs, RPKs and other surplus goodies in all their glory up on the wall for all to see. But yeah, .22s are fine!
I own this rifle wearing a nikon fixed 4x. I put a cheap nylon shotgun shell carrier on the butt, each sleeve holds a 10rd mag. bulks it up a tad but the mags are always with the rifle. I also keep some waterproof matches and a firesteel in the hollow stock. I took the screws out of the butt pad and put a 550 cord loop through the screw holes. The butt pad fits very tight, the screws aren't necessary. This rifle rocks, and it is an absolute blast to shoot.
A few minutes before this posted, I was like, post a vid, nutn, went over to my email... Nutn's got my back. This is a cliche and stupid, but the best survival firearm is the one you have. If you can carry an ar, and it is relatively light, and the ammo is relatively light, then carry the ar. It does get heavy over distance or up grades. Same with a 12 or 20 gauge. Yes, you can hunt anything with the right shell, and you can demolish two legged beasts with it, but those shells are heavy. Sixteen shells, and you're over a pound for ammo. That is only sixteen shots... With a hundred rounds of .22 you've probably got about 25 squirrels/rabbit/other fuzzy critters to eat. That is a lot of meals. But back to my point, just make sure you have something out there, and that you still have the right to have that something out there.
Keep up the great videos. Don't normally post any comments on videos, but have given this video much thought and thought i would put my 2 cent, non-pro comment here. I grew up with my AR-7 charter arms .22LR.....HATED it then and still do. What I think would be ideal for me for bugout/survival is the AR57 LEM. For many of the reasons you mentioned for Marlin or other ,22LR ammo including light weight/small ammo. The AR57 with the benefit of 5.7 x 28 larger caliber, longer range, more velocity, could be used for tactical also, 50 round mag. and goes well with my FNH FiveseveN side arm. Food for thought.
Nice video. But I disagree on one point: about having a dedicated bugout gun that you never use for anything else. For those of us who aren't comparatively rich, $300 is rather a lot to spend for something that's going to sit around waiting for a what-if scenario. If you want a second Papoose to actually Use, that's $600. To me, that's a LOT. Also Marlin advises us not to store the Papoose in its case, because the case may trap moisture and corrode the gun. Not an issue for Nutnfancy who is in the desert all the time, but an issue for someone in a more humid climate. I think with a little bit of discipline, i.e. put the gun where it belongs when you're not using it, there's no need for a dedicated bugout gun. If you know exactly where it is, you can just grab it and go when you grab your bugout bag.
I like the concept, but I have been tending to lean towards pistols for my kits due to legality in my area. I'd really love to see a video that compares a takedown .22 to a .22 pistol. There are several obvious differences a rifle would be easier to shoot, mount optics, and add 20+ rd mags, but a .22 pistol like the ruger charger or a target .22 pistol would beat the take down in weight, fewer parts to lose, storage... I don't know, I keep going back and forth on what's better for a survival kit. As to the "firepower" argument who would be without their EDC pistol in WROL seems like a lot of guys are failing to factor that in? A .22 would be a great addition.
I really liked your video on bugging in. That is my plan until I purchase a bug out location. Thank you for all your work on the project. I was a hard core bug outer for a long time. I appreciate your ability to look at situations from numerous angles. the owl is on the shed.
I've never owned a Papoose, but I've had a Model 60 for years, and LOVE it. Extremely accurate rifle, I'd have no compunctions about putting some target/competition 22 rounds into it and expect it would hold it's own in a competition. The micro grooving in the barrels make them accurate and Nutn did touch on that in the video. The Ruger takedown is a good rifle from everything I've seen and it gives you a second choice...go with your personal favorite. About the only thing I'd change would to put a hand guard on the Papoose, which would add additional weight, just to give me something to hang on too. Otherwise it would be just what Nutn proposed it to be, an awesome bug-out/survival gun. Great video...thumbs up.
My bugout survival gun is a Ruger SP101 .22LR with a 4 inch barrel manufactured in 1999... Its accurate to 25 yards.. it fires shorts and shotshells... it has never JAMMED. It's stainless steel.. Its built like a tank.. It weighs less than the Papoose and its a smaller package.. Im not as sweet on the .22 anymore... I can make my own cast bullet reloads for 357 magnum for 6 cents a round... IMO the new Ruger SP101 357 with adjustable sights and the 4in barrel is an almost ideal survival bug out firearm.. So is an old K frame Smith and Wesson model 19/66 with a 4in barrel... 100 rds of 38 doesnt weigh that much and you can reuse the cases and reprime and reload with an old Lee Load All percussion reloader.. A model 60 J frame with adjustable sights and a 3 to 4 inch barrel is also an ideal bug out survival gun... Remember, you may have to move through populated area's, walk through a town, go into a store, ect.... Handguns have the advantage of easier concealability, low weight, easily portable, and quicker to get into action from concealment... they are great for signaling and home made 357 shotshells are far more effective then .22 shotshells... You can more easily dispatch birds, snakes, and quick small rodents with the 357 shotshell... A box stock gen 3 Glock 19 is a very close second to the .38/357 Wheelgun.
My Bentwood Gunsmithing & Battle Arms Development is my go to survival rifle. Weighs less than 4lbs. 4lbs 7.5oz with aimpoint, fortis mount, and lancer mag. Not cheap, but the lightest weight AR-15 on the market with all metal construction(Carbon Fiber hand guard, and Ergo grip is the only non-metal on the rifle).
Hello nutnfancy wanted to throw a little info your way if you have not already heard of them yet. The company is called Ranger Point Precision. They make a forearm for the Marlin Papoose. They claim that by using their forearm they replace the need for the wrench to tighten the nut on the gun.
Hey Nutn, I recently acquired an AK in 5.45x39 with a folding Warsaw-length stock. It's an incredible bug-out, camp, hike, whatever gun. With some super-cheap 7N6 ammo it will handle damn near anything alive and fit anywhere. Do a review!
Mr nutn the first time I seen your vids I had my brand new marlin 60sn/ws my first gun I was 18 so wanting to know more abought the gun I turned to youtube I came across your vid of the papoose loved it now I own several guns thanks to your info and hard work thanks
I hope I'm not the only one that snickered every time he said Papoose. In the days of Blackhawk, red hawk, wingmaster, bearcat, python, anaconda... we have a papoose lol
I like a .22/.410 combo gun that can come apart. Springfield made the M6 Scout for a while. That's a bit more expensive but I like the extra utility of having the .410.
Another option for the 10/22 would be the APG arms take down conversion kit. With that kit it resembles the papoose and would take the weight down considerably compared to the factory take down. The barrel in the kit comes threaded so there wouldn't be an extra cost to take it to a gun smith.
I'm just happy someone agree's with me. I've always answered the question from friends of "if you could only take one, what would it be?" with, My .22 rifle. And everyone laughs at me. lol who wouldn't want 1000 rnds in a situation like that?
I really do appreciate your philosophy nutn! I like how this video addresses wilderness "survival", and if i need philosophy for WROL/disasters/riots in an urban area your "Concept U.S.K." series and "Behind Enemy Lines Kit" series of vids have great philosophy.
I have a Ruger 10/22 for this use, but I have a Marlin model 60. I feel there both equal. I tried the Papoose, I like having a forearm to steady the rifle, but I can see your point, and as always you make a very good point about weight.
If I had seen one of these when I was out buying my 10/22, I may have went with it. Granted, I still have my 10/22, and I am going to learn to nab small game with it, it will not be in a bug out kit, but a bug in kit.
Thanks for this review, I have been eyeing a 10/22 takedown for a while now for this POU, totally forgot about this option. I may be angling for the papoose now.
Owned a 795 and 7000, both were better than a box stock 10/22 minus the mag capacity when it came to out of the box accuracy. The Marlin Pap was one I couldn't find, but seemed like a great takedown rifle.
Given the predilection of some less centered voices out there calling for a more violent form of WROL, if it and when it happens, I think I'd opt for a little more firepower going forward. Supposidly Bentwood Gunsmithing is finishing up an OIP for me, it's a fully metallic AR-15 that weighs 3.8 pounds, that's what I would take if I needed a bugout rifle. It's expensive, but I have spare ARs that I can shoot and keep that as a kit gun. It gives me a lot of hitting power if I need it, the ability to take deer (small game for me is off limits due to religious reasons) and its still as light as most .22LR guns. Only thing is they're still not done with it, I ordered it in Feb. with a proposed ship date in April. Until they finally get around to finishing it, I stick with a pistol in my kit, usually some form of Glock or M&P for capacity and weight.
***** 3.8 is insane, man. That's a lot of good work to get that thing down that low. I like how hte industry is finally coming around, I'm sure we're about 8 years away from the mainstream factories reaching low 4's with them. That thing is awesome!-TD
I won't have this discussion with you, it's more in depth than I care to type out and in the end I don't believe that discussing my private beliefs with you will end in a fruitful discussion; suffice it to say I have religious obligations to eat clean food and I'm not released from that obligation when under duress. Lets please leave it at that.
nah,i like my rifles to fire when i pull the trigger(every time),eat what i feed it,not have fragile and almost impossible to replace magazines and a barrel thicker than my thumb nail.when you buy a rifle and the owners manual tells you that the supplied barrel isn't intended for even "heavy plinking" and then ask in the realm $300 i say hell no.
Good video in demonstrating that the best "survival" gun is not always an ar/ak or other military style semi auto rifle. I get what you say about size//weight considerations of the weapon and ammo but I believe the best all around gun for a survival situation is a pump action//semi auto shotgun or a over/under or double barrel. It can fill all roles in taking small to large game to defense with proper ammunition. Only fly in the ointment is the weight of the ammo. Maybe a 20 gauge would be easier to lug than a 12 gauge. Anyways keep up the good work love the videos!
Best survival gun (specifically for survival, i.e. procuring food while maintaining carry weight) is the Springfield M6 Scout. Runner up is the Henry AR-7.
The Papoose makes a lot of sense. Remember the survival .22 from back in the 1950s or 1960s? I don't remember the name. It incorporated the name Nylon; Nylite? Something like that. The barrel/receiver group fit in the stock and the thing would float.
I think the Rossi Matched Pairs are an ideal survival rifle. They're cheap, accurate, simple, light weight(under 4 lbs in the youth version) and available in multiple caliber combinations. You don't need semi-automatic capability in any kind of wilderness survival situation. You just need to be able to hit what you're aiming at. The Youth Pair(22lr & 410) is an ideal combination. As you've said, 22lr is cheap and light weight. But, it doesn't have much in the way of knock down power. Switch to the 410 barrel if needed and you can have a weapon capable of taking a bird with shot or a deer/hog with a slug. Ammo would be light as well.
Talking true survival the M6 Springfield should be thought of. It is a 22 Hornet over .410. The hornet for knock down at longer ranges and shotgun for close range game. No scope needed if you are shooting past a 100yds with a .22 you always stand a chance of missing or game not a good hit. It is also very packable.
for the past 8 years... before BOB became popular I have carried a 94' Papoose with approx 200 rounds and a old 18.25 inch break action 12 gauge with approx 20 assorted shells with me everywhere it the woods. There is nothing else I would trust. Great review... River is heavy and AR7 are either old cr@p or the new ones have plastic barrel which can bend ( I have seen it). When a "pro" can talk for 30 mins about why it is the right rifle you should listen. I would never rely upon a handgun as they are very hard to be accurate with unless you practice a lot. I can give my Papoose \ shotgun to almost anyone and they can hit a target from 25 yards away. Let's also be serious... in a WROL situation if someone wants your supplies they will shoot you with a 308 from 300 yards and you will never see them.
Just picked mine up tonight. Sadly it will have to go back to Marlin before I can even use it. I oiled the barrel nut, locked the bolt back, and it hand tightened about half way. I used the tool and gave it another turn thinking this was normal, but it got really tight and I stopped. I had to put some muscle to remove it and now I can't even get one rotation by hand. Looks like it started to strip the receiver half way down the threads. I went from being super excited to super disappointed, but with some of the QC Marlin has been putting out over the last year with their 1895's I guess I shouldn't be too surprised. Tomorrow I'm calling to get a call tag - talk about a real bummer I was hoping to break it in this weekend :(
Here I was thinking the AR-7.. Marlin Papoose is looking pretty great though. Me, I'll sling my '67 Model 70 over my shoulder with a few boxes of .308 and walk off to my doom to never be seen again. $300 is cheap... spent $600-700 on knives in the past 6 weeks thanks to you. Damn you and your awesome reviews! And, no, I'm not done spending. I'll blow another $800 on knives before the year is over. Sniping a turtle with a .22LR though, probably not... I'll be a gentleman and slit its throat.
Interesting discussion. I havre always thought the big thing would more likely be food. I always have a handgun on me, so that would be primary defense, if I could have one other gun, it would be a .22, or a .22/.410 combo. Small game is the most prevalent and practical and a gun more suited to that is ideal.
If I had to go the .22 route I would choose the Sig Classic. It folds and breaks down to fit in a case and is more reliable. But the main reason it that I would never depend on anything that runs off Pro Mag, and they are the only company who makes higher capacity mags for the 795.
What about the Ruger Charger? Small... Takedown version available. Optics ready.. Threaded barrel. 15 and 25 RD mags... Standard Ruger 10/22 action. Just curious about thoughts.
Since we're talking about .22 for survival, I thought I'd include my thoughts on it. Realistically, the only real reason I would bug out is if the area I live in became unacceptably violent in WROL (my area doesn't have dangerous weather like hurricanes or tornadoes). In that event, I'm leaving my house for another friend/family member's house, and I want to be able to adequately defend myself during and after the trip to the bug out location, since the danger will be high. Therefore I want an intermediate caliber rifle for bugging out (as well as my EDC pistol), which ideally would be a folding-stock AK inside of an Eberelestock S34 Secret Weapon backpack (to maintain some gray man appearance, although the sight of a pack might be enough reason to get attacked). Yes, it's more weight, but I'll deal with it; considering my situation and area, this seems to be the best choice for a bugout rifle. I do not want violence visited upon myself, or to visit violence on others, but I have to be ready for that possibility, and I don't want to rely on a .22 to defend myself.
I appreciated the end of the video where you explored other possible good options and justified the overall selection of the Papoose. However, I wonder why you didn't mention a 9mm carbine? I would never suggest a 9mm over a 5.56 but if we're considering a .22LR, it seems we would often be better served with the 9mm cartridge. The following is to display a point (I know you know it, I'm just reiterating): The .22LR is a rimfire (inherently unreliable, low power (150-200 ft lbs) and low mass (20 -60 grains) projectile vs. a 9mm which is centerfire 400-500 ft lbs and 50-147 grains. Ballistics being rather abstract and uncertain, I would feel at least twice as confident with 9mm then .22LR if not more. Ammo weighs a little more but Herters Aluminum or Liberty Civil Defense is very very light. I can find weapons like the Kel-Tec Sub2000 that take glock mags (Or several other makes) that will make it possible for not only my ammunition, but my magazines to be cross compatible with my sidearm. And 9mm is available everywhere, and in a vast multitude of configurations. This gives it far more flexibility than .22. Another plus, since its a pistol caliber, you can sbr the weapon down to 5 inches and give up almost nothing in velocity, depending on the money you wish to invest in this survival rifle. Kel-Tec lists the Sub2000 as 4.25 lbs which seems reasonable, and I'm sure there are many other 9mm carbines worth considering, I simply lack the expertise. So, as I said, I know that you know all this. My question is why you don't consider that cartridge for this POU, survival rifle? Thank you for all that you and your family do, It means alot to so many.
Great video Nutn'. The Papoose may well be my next 'Nutnfancy recommended' purchase! Like a lot of Kel Tec's, the .22 magnum rifle looks interesting too. I was very interested in the Kel Tech Sub 2000 when you showed it. After a few years of it never being available anywhere, I have resolved to treat Kel Tec products as non-existant. I would not buy anything of theirs even if they managed to actually try to make them available. I have tired of their excuses for failing to meet anything even close to consumer demand for their products.
I love the Parts AR lol.. I just bought a bare bones one myself.. I don't have the budget you guys do.. So mine will be a ghetto build.. Dig the Marlin.
Do a review on the new version of the Ruger Charger. It comes in a fixed barrel and tacke down version. Any AR grip can fit on it. Its a great hiking gun and critter getter. Love your videos hope to see you do a review on it.
Love all of your videos. KRVs, EDC, QTNs, CTAs, "B" channel, too. I watch them all. But, I believe 10/22 TD, reviewed by TNP, beats the Papoose. It is ubiquitous and that helps if in WROL, you are paired with another group that is in BOK format. They are likely going to have a 10/22 and not a Papoose in case mags or parts need to be shared or exchanged.Also, the 10/22 TD can easily be paired with the new Ruger Charger used as a "Sidearm" that can also have optics such asgreat Bushnell TRS-25. BX Trigger, BX 25 magazines are ultra reliable, as you have demonstrated the only thing that is a negative for 10/22 TD is a slight weight fault. Also, the 10/22 TD storage case has compartment made especially fir the wonderful Ruger SR-22 pistol, reviewed by TNP CMR-30 would be awesome, if it was available. And it can be paired with the super awesome PMR-30, reviewed by TNP. Magazines are interchangeable. Weight and ammunition availability are considerations, though but definitely more "lethal".
Hi there Nutnfancy, thank you so much for all the time and effort you put into the TNP Project! Before I started getting firearms, I saw your channel and learned so much. As a result, I am now a NRA member and CCW holder who carries everyday. I started getting into 22LR rifles for marksmanship / target shooting. I have and love my Marlin Model 60 and two Marlin 795's (one with Tech Sights and one with scope). So, I am seriously considering trying to get a hold of a Marlin "Papoose". However, I am wondering what you think of the re-introduced Ruger 22 Charger with the threaded barrel already included for a "Bug Out Kit" (BOK) POU versus the Marlin Papoose? Again, thank you so much for all your work on the The Nutnfancy Project (TNP)!
Right on Nutn, survival rifles are for food (mostly). In a long term WROL situation, no one is making ammunition so every round is precious. If you can't afford them while they are available (now) or carry them when they are not (then), they do you no good. 1000 rounds of .22LR = 8lbs. (and depending where you get them $100 or less).
Nutn, what do you think of the 1022 with the agp folding stock and removable barrel kit. It looks a lot like the papoose but brakes down even smaller and has more options for carry . I haven't shot mine yet so I'm not sure how accurate it is.
Nuttn' I wish more people would realize how acting like they do in apocalyptic movies isn't really the best choice,.. Those who say that when the SHTF they're gonna start slinging lead in all directions must not realize that when they do so a whole bunch will be slung back so they better write that epitaph first,...even if you have all the body armor your heart desires,. Just sayin' , it will eventually come to that end not matter how tactical they think they are with that mindset. Most people will want a community resurgence and some sort of rule of law.. Cool vid,.. and I wish I never sold my Papoose...
Eric K You're right; the post apocalypse societal breakdown is a self fulfilling prophecy at this point. Everyone going to get super violent and self-interested because that's what they think you're supposed to do in that situation. Your best defense against this is to build up ties with your community and neighbors so this doesn't happen.
