In an interview, Donnie Yen spoke about how he felt more in danger filming this fight scene than any other, because Tyson was not trained for fight choreography nearly as extensively as the other martial arts stunt players he typically worked with, and also because massive and powerful as Tyson is, one small mistake could result in a devastating hit.
How about that time in Rocky IV when Stallone wanted Dolph Lundgren and him to basically spar for real, not realising the extreme gap between normal people and world class athletes, which almost killed Stallone. People who have trained their whole life to hit others may have some trouble adapting to just pretend and take it easy.
@@Rachenviel Very true. Its hard to "dial it down" when you spend so much time pushing your limits. Stallone didn't learn his lesson from that by the way. He has several stories of injuries from professionals.
One of the reasons Mcgregor never had a chance against Mayweather, yes Conor can throw hands but throwing hands is ALL MAYWEATHER DOES!!!! It's like trying to outkick a tae kwon do guy, yes you add in hands and they will have a tough time, but if you meet them in their world you are screwed!
Right? The amount of people I had telling me that McGregor pushed Mayweather harder than Pacquiao or that he could have won was ridiculous! The hype train really does carry people away
That is not all. Mike Tyson’s character has a daughter and also he did say if IP Man can last 3 minutes, he will stop what he was doing. And he kept his word. When he learned that children were being used as hostages or baits, he furiously knocked the lights out of the bugger. He may be an antagonist but kidnapping children is going too far for Mike Tyson. Big respect there.
pretty sure its based on racism, they don't want tyson to lose other idiots will say its not believable just like they say duh rocky can't win against a younger opponent, when age means nothing when a huge force to the face would drop anyone, just like a small body can still win if you blind them with a eye strike, punch to the throat (to stop them from breathing) or kick them in the balls i.e it IS believable but whities refuse to accept it
@@VTuber_Central Real life aside... That statement you made, ironically, the character of Mike Tyson's a.k.a. Frank is not a racist. Compared to Twister, another boxer who is a racist. Wallace the chief police superintendent is also racist. Barton Geddes, a Karate user is a racist.
also the only one ive ever seen who KO Steven seagal in the movies. once you are in Steven seagal movies its like freddy kruger nightmare no one beats him but Mike did.
Fan of the IPMAN series but damn. I've got so much respect for TYSON. The more I see his stories the more I love him. So humble and he IS the BOXING WORLD champion. So much respect in this scene. I love it.
yeah, it pretty clear they had a lot of respect for Iron mike cause for any other boxer they have IP men beat mike eventually. of course he would had been the final boss still he would had lost that fight clean. For this scene they sort of left it up what you think. uppercut to the face versus kick right on the groin.
Even tho this is a fantasy movie I don't think Mike Tyson would'v agree to film a even least realistic fight, let alone get his ass beat by some taichi dude
Fun fact, Mike broke a bone in one of his hands because he wasn't experienced with movie timing fights and his fist connected with force against Donnie's elbow block. Donnie said Mike hit him a few times on accident and it hurt like hell.
@@sipenarekbecha7193 well tyson was also holding back, just probably not pulling his punches that much. But the pure weight difference, literally one hit at all from tyson and donnie would be out of the fight, there's just no working around it unless donnie's real good at submission
The point is if Mike punched his elbow full strength he would have broke probably all his fingers and his entire hand, so there’s no point in measuring what if Tyson used his full strength. It wouldn’t be an easy fight for him either because in boxing there’s no punches to the eyes directly or the throat, and no elbow blocks to watch out for.
@@chadshowdown9382 Geroge Forman starting using elbow blocks in his comeback because he was quick enough to get his head out to of the way. So they are a thing, but a bit unconventional.
Everyone thinks of Mike as being small, but that's only because he faced actual giants. He's 178 cm (about 5'10"), and with his build that makes him a pretty huge dude.
@@willcoffarchives I wouldn't even have enough time to draw a gun out like that, considering the fact he could knock me out in one punch. Yup, I better learn some parkour lmao
wait what I'm taller than mike tyson lol, I always thought mike was like 6'2 or something, I mean I'm built like a goddamn twig so not like height matters anyway lmfaoo he'd probably kill me in one hit without trying
@@doggybear4855 no he did it correctly. This is the intended effect of this move in combat. They just weren't careful enough when shooting this scene and Mike's fist accidentally connected with the force of Donnie's elbow block, causing the injury
This is one of my favorite fight scenes. The way he lowers himself down on one foot is incredible! I hurt just thinking of how long and painful it would be training to do that! He's such an amazing martial artist.
Yes definitely every skilled martial artist like Jackie Chan could easily do some of incredible things.. Specially at his age no matter is it.. They are an Elite Master
In an interview, Donnie said he blacked out at least 2 times during filming because Mike was getting back to his old habits. And the punching bag scene, that actually wasn't edited, It was real. The director told Mike to hit it as hard ad he can. That wasn't fake, It was real.
Thank you for talking about the visor guard, lots of self-proclaimed martial artists who've reacted to this called bullshit on blocking with the elbows, glad to see someone who knows what they're talking about.
because it is bullshit blocking with elbows you think that little stick of a man would be able to block Tyson's full force shots ? Tyson's fists would have pushed Ip Man's elbows straight into his chest
Too be honest, I only would have called bs because I would have thought that was more ong bak than ip man, but im pretty sure donnie yen uses that style of blocking all the time in the ip man movies.
Non boxing fan may not be aware of this but Mike is consider 'small' for heavy weight and actually perfected his in fighting and surgical power boxing style to deny the height and reach benefits of his opponents and shares a lot of the close fighting philosophies of Wing Chun (just watch how easily Mike pivots his whole body for surgical strikes and dodging). Mike for all intent and purpose is his own 'kung fu' style master. Much respect.
Reminds me of an anecdote about Bruce Lee when someone asked him about the prospect of fighting Muhammad Ali. Bruce held up his fist and said "Look at that hand. That's a little Chinese hand. He would kill me!" It's still fun to speculate about, and seeing a similar scenario play out in the movie was awesome.
In real life, no one irrespective of their size is going to walk away casually getting hit in their face by any average adult man, if the punch has been landed without holding back.
@Volrath Jaw doesn’t need to be broken. Only factor is how thick your neck muscles are when you get tagged in the jaw, since we are not trying to break the jaw but just cause the sudden acceleration of the head to cause a knockout.
I remember seeing an interview with Donnie where he said he's never seen punches with the force that Tyson could create, and at the speed he can throw them
Yup. Yen also said in a behind the scenes video that Tyson really did hit that punching bag and he barely avoided it. Edit: added link because of a dumb response below. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-zcVLcaB2lwo.html
One thing I loved about the choreography here was that it was showing how both of them were switching tactics on one another. Many fights are where one person is superior and the other finds the exploit and capitalizes to end it but this was both of them just alternating consecutively.
My brother broke his hand (metacarpal) in karate when he was sparring, and hit his sparring partners elbow. The bone actually broke in two places, and seperated from the rest of the bone. Thankfully it was pushed back into place, and he recovered from it.
@@snowman6645 Don't even try until you're sure you can pull it off. It's super high-risk, high-reward. Fuck it up and you're worse off than if you had just ate the punch.
@@shaness112233I mean u need to make sure they hit ur elbow joint or else they could knock the pain part out of the way and rain punches on you like Tyson did at one point.
I agree but I absolutely LOVE the "Ip Man" franchise as a whole,and that scene of him going against the Thai fighter is hilarious cause Yen was giving dude the hands something serious.That started on the 3rd floor and he beat his ass all the way down to the lobby 😆😆😆🤣!
@@kewtheii6764 I was wondering when one of you would show up in the comments. There is always that person who only feels joy when he can shit on everybody else's fun moment. Well done sir.
Donnie did say in an interview that Mike did clip him with one of his punches during filming and that it run his bell good, lol. One of the hardest hits he's ever taken he said and it wasn't even a direct solid hit. Totally not surprising. XD
I remember seeing that being in this movie gave Tyson a lot more respect for movie martial artists, going over the fights over and over for hours and days on end, he didn't realize just how much work it actually was
You should watch the interview where Donnie Yen talked about facing Mike Tyson. On the shot with the Bag, Donnie yen said that his left hook was so fast that he barely dodged it. They had huge respect for Mike Tyson after that scene.
It takes a few seconds for the pain of a proper nut shot to reach the brain and activate the screech and puke reflex. In that time, donnies skull would have given in to the laws of gravity after bouncing off the ceiling and hit the floor. Tyson would have won, but he wouldnt have been able to enjoy his victory for about 5-10 minutes at least. :p Once he uncurled from the fetal position on the floor he would have been able to recognize he "won"
What I dug about this fight was when we all thought that Ip Man was gonna begin his rally after that dope stance, but the wind got knocked out of his sails when Tyson was bobbing and weaving on the floor and he knocked him in the side to the wall.
Gotta be honest. Didn't like Ip Man 2 too much. Thought it was... ehh. But boy did I enjoy the first and the third movie. I actually liked the third movie a heck of a lot more than Ip Man 2, and I thought the fights were actually better than Ip Man 1. However, Ip Man 1 is just a really great all-around film beyond just being a martial arts film.
2:05 when Mike misses and punches the bag, the 3rd one was real and Donnie did dodge it. In an interview with Donnie, Mike was recording that scene and after the second punch his boxing instinct kicked in and almost smacked Donnie in the face. Donnie dodged that for real and said "i felt the air above my hair". Donnie said that he was more worried about getting KOed by mike for real.
I love how this fight was done with so much respect to both fighting styles. Of course its choreography but some movies make the protagonist and their martial art unbeatable in a almost comical way, where nomatter what an opponent brings to the table the hero just dominates with his/her style. Of course in reality there is no one martial art hat defeats everything, thats why MMA is a thing.
really appreciated how he didnt rag on the fight for inaccuracy as a choreographed fight made for entertainment and rather broke down specific technical elements
I love how you talk about Tyson. I do Tai Chi Chuan, and my Shifu loves Mike Tyson because his form and technique is so incredible on top of his sheer athleticism. People who don’t do martial arts tend to think of someone like Tyson as a brute, but that’s actually because of how nuanced his technique really is. It’s hard to see for an untrained eye, it does kinda look like he’s just a brute. But the truth is when you’re THAT good at punching, you do not really need to opt for the slower punches and grabs, you legit can just box and beat most fighters literally to the punch.
I think when we look at an Asian they are quite small compared to Tyson. My Korean teacher is very small but can hold a 50 lb barbell in his mouth. I used to work out with him.
@cycobear86 Donnie would have landed the kick before the bell. Tyson was stopped by the bell before he could connect with his uppercut. Donnie won, but Tyson had the skill to stop the millisecond he heard the bell. Both absolute legends.
For sure. Donnie Yen is phenomenal, but there is a reason there are weight classes. Tyson looks pretty close to his 215 lb. fighting weight, making him around 60 pounds heavier than Yen, almost all of it muscle. A bare knuckle Tyson punch on such a small man would not be pretty.
@@shaness112233that’s bullshit Donnie yen didn’t win, ur clearly a non fighter, 2 things here, 1 this is a movie, the cuts could either be actual or the same time, first scenario if they were both the same instant, Donnie yen would’ve died cuz the punch would’ve killed him. 2. Donnie yen would’ve landed the kick first, which he still woudlve got decapitated, if u think a kick to the groin could make iron Mike fall over, either ur kicking him with iron or ur superman, Mike would’ve still finished with that uppercut.
This fight looked great, but was to stylized for my taste. I would imagine in a real fight Donnie would be looking to circle going for kicks and hitting Mike's legs to decrease his mobility, all the while looking to land an incapacitating shot either with a punch or another kick maybe to his head from behind. Meanwhile the larger stronger boxer Mike Tyson would really just need one or two good punches to end the fight quickly. One thing I found funny is that Mike looks so big in this movie, Donnie Yen must be a very small and light individual. If anyone here watches pro boxing they will know Tyson was usually the undersized fighter at least in terms of height. To me Mike started the fight and ended it with the first body blow, there's no way someone who is almost 60lbs lighter takes a full body shot from Mike Tyson and just instantly gets back in the fight, not in a real fight. But in movies all things are possible so they went for entertainment which is perfectly fine.
@@primary2630 I disagree that overly stylized fights are more entertaining, but had you read my entire comment you would have seen I stated that movies tend to do that. It is only my opinion and you don't have to act like I'm stupid and have no knowledge about something when you clearly didn't read my entire comment.
I can see what you mean, but for my money the goal is to be in awe of the talent and skill of these 2 legends and the fight allows them to showcase it with very little exaggeration. We all know a real fight with real contact would be different, but it would not be as interesting or enjoyable.
Mike Tyson is 5'10" 220lbs, Donnie Yen is 5'8 165lbs. In a real fight Donnie Yen would try to keep his distance and use kicks on Tyson's legs instead of blocking his punches up close.
I mean, watching Tyson work the heavy bag in his prime, that wasn't far off. Dude was a monster. It's a shame his personal life derailed because it really messed up his professional one.
1:10 Mike Tyson was saying 唯快不破, which literally translates to "Only the fastest cannot break(to break means to be defeated/countered here)" But, as a native Cantonese speaker, all I heard was "Wifi不破" --> "Wifi cannot break" Kek
I don't think people realize how skilled both Donnie and Mike are. You can take people who have trained their entire lives diligently and still not find fighters of that caliber. Donnie's technical skill and speed are incredible. Mike's absurd power and athleticism is equally incredible. I think it is one of those sorts of things that cannot ever be fully grasped unless you see it for yourself.
This is a pretty good way to do this kind of scene. To put it bluntly, boxing is just definitively more practical than wing chun, and most traditional Chinese martial arts. However, they don’t deserve to be dismissed as just fancy choreography, and making it a draw was the right move. There’s no superiority here, no (or at least no blatant) politics, just a really well choreographed fight scene between legends.
Left uppercut was tysons finishing move. I've been kicked in the nuts during a fight and it sucks but that's not stopping alot of people and I'm just some guy. Mike tyson in the mid 1980's you kick him in the nuts you'd probably break your foot anyway
Do u think his nuts is made of iron??? Come on bra.. in a street fight which is also known as free fight, we are free to hit on any part of the body. If u get hit on your nuts or balls I am 100% sure u will be knock down.
Ip man 4 is a real treat cause Scott Adkins plays the "Big Bad" so to speak. really good fight scene. and Ip Man 4 has a decent amount of Bruce Lee character in it.
Trying to deflect, let alone block, a Tyson punch is a scary place to be in. Best move is 'just' not being where the hit lands. But what makes this scene entertaining is Ip Man recognizing that fact while also realizing that he has to bring some hurt to the fight to stand a chance. The elbow blocks were a great choice, and believable for this character to pull off.
Exactly and Tyson realizing what was going on and setting him up after he learned his lesson to follow up with that uppercut into the side of that elbow was brilliant as well. I'm glad this movie was fairly realistic in how even a trained fighter like Yen would struggle with someone that much bigger and stronger. Yen's punches would sting but not seriously hurt Tyson and kicks would be his best bet to try to even the odds.
@@shadowproductions969 Kicks, joint locks, basically anything lower body would be harder for mike to deal with as his entire career has been above the belt combat and no kicks involved. But yeah, mike takes full power blows from guys his own size for extended periods of time, donny is going to have to break a knee to take him down or else waste a LOT of time rabbit punching tyson to wear him down. Meanwhile tyson only needs to land a few real shots to just obliterate donnie. Time is more in tysons favor than donnies as every shot donnie takes is going to do real damage to him and slow him down a little more until he CANT dodge or deflect and then the sledgehammer Mike pretends is his fist smashes donnie to the ground.
2:41 , in one of the behind-the-scenes footages, Mike actually forgotten the choreography and threw a heavy right hand at Donnie, whom quickly evaded and the punch landed on the bag.
Don't know if you have done this already, but you have got to react Jackie Chan's fight scenes in City Hunter (1993) especially the fight against the main villain who uses sticks to fight an unarmed Jackie.. That one is amazing! Might not be the best fight scene but definitely one of the most entertaining ever.
When I saw this I picture this fight as something if we have a good Street Fighter movie. Where Mike Tyson would play the role as Balrog and Donnie Yen as Fei Long/Gen.
1:11 yeah he’s actually speaking cantonese, with a bit of accent, but good enough for people who speak cantonese to know what he’s saying, and that applies to the rest of what he said whenever he said it in cantonese
1)for anyone who didnt watch this movie...In this movie, Mike Tyson is a kingpin, he wanted to collect a land illegally. Ip man try to help people who living in the land. So he against Mike Tyson. After some conflicts between Ip Man and Mike Tyson's fellow, Ip Man confront Mike Tyson directly. Mike Tyson said: If you can fight to me and can stand for 3 min. I will leave you be. 2) what Mike Tyson said in 1:12 is chinese. "唯快不破"
there was an interview where Tyson talks about how he broke his fingers, most likely from when Donnie was blocking with his elbows as you were talking about
The wild part is that was Iron Mike without having done any hardcore training as we have seen over the last year or two. The champ is closing in on 60, and he is just as lethal today as he was in the '90s. This scene has gone down as one of my all-time favorites in cinematic history.
I love this scene because it depicts the level of mutual respect the two have for each other, especially with Ip's previous experience with Americans and boxing
The Elbows Donnie Yen was using are from the 3rd Wing Chun form Biu Gee (Biu Tse, Biu Jee or even Bil Gee) they are design to break anything in there way.
This is the most pointless fight in the series but the most memorable. It's not just two guys fighting non stop, there's changing in tempo, in strategy, in mood, and even a bit of humor. You just don't see this level of execution outside Hong Kong cinema.
As absolutely silly as this scene is, I still really love it. Both fighters really showing off their own styles while still doing exactly what they should be doing to try and beat the other. Although, I do feel like Yen/Man should be using his agility way more. He's so quick and flexible but barely uses that until right at the end.
@tarrker Ahh ok. For me, I don't care about fantasy or realism, to be honest. It doesn't matter if it's action, comedy, fantasy, etc., I watch it for what it is and end up enjoying it. And not to be disrespectful or anything cause I respect your opinion, but I thought this scene was serious and suspenseful. That's just my opinion, but if you think it's silly, that's fine👍🏽 :)
One of the classics of Donnie Yen is when he worked with Jet Li and had two great fight scenes with Jet Li in Once Upon a Time in China. Another is of course Iron Monkey and again in HERO reprising fights with Jet Li again using weapons. It’s just amazing to see traditionally trained martial artists choreograph and put out movie magic like that. Donnie Yen’s mum is a wing Chun master and transcending from true line of wing Chun tradition all the way back to Bruce Lee’s master IP Man. Another classic movie magic is Swordsman by Tsui Hark, although that’s more lore and martial arts literature turned into the big screen.
That's for sure. There are weight classes for a reason, Iron Mike looked like he had 50+ pounds on Donnie (not to mention his ridiculous punching power). When Mike was in his prime he was fighting Joe Frazier's son and Sugar Ray Leonard was providing color on the broadcast. The other announcer asked Sugar Ray how he thought he would do against Tyson and he said, "Are you crazy!?"
@@saverioman your speaking about boxing fighting in a ring is totally different then fighting in the street there are no rules so your size isn't valid knowing where to strike someone and how to strike someone it has nothing to do with size I know a guy about Danny DeVito size and height. That knockout someone that was way bigger than him with one punch so again your point is not valid there's no doubt that size gives you the advantage but it doesn't guarantee you will win look at Bruce Lee he's small he's a Powerhouse he knew where to strike someone and how to strike someone
@@cherrylove3656 You're right, size isn't everything. But I'll take "size + superior boxing skill" over a much smaller man every time. Tyson had more than his share of street fights before he was a champion and famously knocked Mitch "Blood" Green (a professional fighter) out cold in the street once he was champ. Even Bruce Lee, who was beyond spectacular as a martial artist, stated that taking on a prime Muhammad Ali, who was 7 inches taller and 70 pounds heavier, would not turn out well. Donnie Yen, another incredible fighter, looked puny next to Tyson and said his biggest fear was that Iron Mike would forget the fight sequence and accidentally land one of those bombs.
Elbows work wonders against incoming knee strikes too... They won't break anything there, but they can dig deep into the tissue and temporarily paralyze the leg.
Years ago I was chosen to be one of the 5 people to spar against a guy testing for a black belt (I was 3rd degree back then if I remember correctly) I was definitely known for being fast and he knew that so he tried to get in first, I blocked with my elbow, he hit dead on and totally broke his hand. They stopped the testing right away, he had to finish testing couple months later after he healed and all that and I wasn't chosen to spar with him lol
Hell yes. Such a good scene. Didn't they only do 2 takes? Pretty sure they were shown the choreography all the way through one time only, and then both of them just did it right off the bat. But they were so fast the cameras couldn't catch it or it didn't look good on film or something so they had to do it again slower to actually use it for the movie.