Fred took a team from the brink of folding to 6th in the standigs, with a solid driver pairing and a promising future. I'd say that counts as a success.
Vasseur hasn’t had the ability to shock at sauber because they simply do not have the money to give him the ability to. Fred has done a brilliant job at sauber
What's different about this shuffle this year is this is happening between the teams. Usually it used to be someone from inside the team steps up as new team principal replacing the current one (or old one) 🤔 Not to mention Williams is totally without a leadership now. 😱 We can call it crazy season (instead of silly).
@@spartantv6268 Yeah, definitely Audi and Porsche are welcomed to F1. Although they are part of the same company (VW Group), so I don't see the point competing against each other in F1. Because it's just takes up too much money. So, in my view do competing against each other in F1 within the same company (VW Group) makes no sense. The other problem is: F1 has a limited number of outstanding engineers, and money alone cannot make a car fast. So dividing up their brain force is also a bad decision. They should concentrate on 1 project. Just remeber: Toyota couldn't make a break from 2002 - 2009. And the 3 new teams from 2010 were 5 seconds slower until they slowly went out of business.
I can imagine Leclerc bringing tremendous insight to Vasseur, having worked with him before. They would have built up a level of repertoire and trust that might make it easier to identify and solve certain problems.
For me every team that changes leadership is starting on the backfoot. No matter how bad Binotto was (with his choices I'm personally leaning towards a lot) he still had established working practices the team was accustomed to. Now Vasseur is going to change that one month before the season starts. He may be well loved by Sauber but that does not mean he will gel with Ferrari, especially if he wants to change everything, which he probably needs to, as having one person acting as TP and TD clearly does not work as Binotto hoped. They might start off strong again but I don't see them keeping up with RB and Mercedes again, for different reasons though.
Personally I don’t think binotto was that bad. He was just too much of a company guy to make the changes Ferrari needs, after all we all know Ferrari are there biggest enemy. Fred imo is a great hire, finally a non company guy who won’t be afraid to call out the disfunction
@@tuttutteddy8889 It's not like he was bad at the technical aspect. Spending 28 years at Ferrari nonetheless is a great achievement. However, engineering is only one of the major aspects of F1. From what is being reported, he forced Ferrari's hand in 2019 to make him TP and centralized both the technical and managerial aspects on himself, or he would quit. Seeing a race team being ran and doing it are two completely different things, the latter is much harder, especially in Ferrari of all teams (he even said that he went from spending the team's money to saving it in 19). All of the above seems like an insurmountable task for someone with zero experience at the wheel of a team and while Ferrari was bold technically, with a few mishaps, the organizational mistakes in terms of strategy, pitstops and general team attitude started to show more and more the moment they came under pressure. Could he fix it? Possibly, but I'm willing to bet that it's more likely that two people hired specifically to fullfill the roles they're experienced in will do a better job, in the long term at least.
I agree. I think 2023 is going to be rough for them. The only way they give RB pressure is have the car or the drivers carry the load, because strategy and development won’t be good.
@@bigbusiness7035 They unfortunately showed many times this year that no matter how fast the car is, strategy can always get in the way. As a fan of theirs, I'm hoping that I will be proven wrong, but I won't be surprised if I'm not.
Ferrari is a poisoned chalice for drivers and management. To succeed there they have to be exceptional. Enzo always said that his cars were never wrong, only the drivers and team members were replaceable on a whim!
This was interesting from Martin Brundle opinion on F1s team principal shake up at Ferrari and McLaren different appointment for staff in both F1 teams.
Fred going to Ferrari was like when Boullier left Lotus and went to McLaren, but I see the relationship with Leclerc and Fred. Seidl leaving McLaren for Sauber is weird, but it seems like Sauber will be Audi soon which then makes sense. I can't help but feel that Mercedes has finished winning with Lewis, I am getting that McLaren post 2008 feel, it is what it is, and no driver can do anything if the team moving on to another era whether they want to consciously admit it or not. If Seidl is starting with Audi, I would say the experience of Lewis is your man and he knows exactly what Norris likes and want. In terms of performance on the tracks, perfecting pairing.
@MINDRIGHT think he's getting that Lewis may leave Mercedes in 2024 or sometime and potentially move to be with audi and then because seidl has worked with norris and knows his driving style would then approach him for the other seat. Could be wrong but I think that's what the op means
Every F1 team is a superteam. The stakes are higher than before and that means a high power distance between executive sponsors/owners and middle management.
Been following the sport since 1966, and there was never an event like this in Formula One, I mean an intense shuffling of team managers as we are seeing now. All I pray for is that McLaren, Mercedes, and Ferrari produce good cars next year, so their six brilliant drivers can put up a proper fight to Red Bull. Amen.
I was sad to see Binotto go, he was a vital part of the team for so many years. I think Binotto did a rather good job. Yes the buck stops with him, but he wasn't solely to blame for Ferrari's performance. Nevertheless, I wish all of them the best.
It was always going to happen and sadly we McLaren fans saw it coming, Seidl would any day choose to work with a team that manufactures their own engine rather than rely on a customer engine. He was a serial winner with the Porsche LMP project so it was no brainer for him to leave.
I don't think so. Norris was at McLaren before Seidl, and he seems relatively committed for the medium term. I could see him going to Merc or RB in a few years' time to try to snag a title or two as a joint #1 - but for now, I would say that he's staying at McLaren. He's clearly comfortable enough to call out problems, which is not something a driver that was on the hot seat would be doing. Maybe if they don't get fixed, he'll bounce - maybe to Seidl! - but I don't see that happening soon. Also, who would replace Sainz at Ferrari? Other than Schwartzman, I don't really see any viable candidates right now...
@@grahamkort4908 I hope so I like McLaren as a team and I like Norris as a driver. If they have a good car everything will be good. With Sainz I don't see him staying as number 2.
@@the_lost_navigator7266 Not sure why everyone thinks Audi is open to just every driver. They’ll be looking at people older and experience for car development. And someone who fits their brand (ideally German, like Mercedes with Rosberg and Schumacher). The Audi seat is not just open for every driver. And it’ll be the same thing as Aston Martin. It’ll take them several years to kickstart any kind of progress
why is f1 blocking the entrance of andretti team? they clearly wants to join and have the resource to do so. what is taking them long time to get the approval🤔. f1 could do with extra 2 teams on the grid
If Williams was sold and became Andretti it would be hugely disrespectful to Frank Williams, and unpalatable to much of F1's following. Though I think there were provisions when Dorilton took over that the Williams name had to continue on.
Winning and losing as a team seems to have changed in recent times. A lot of wrong calls have been made by many people within the team. But it seems that the buck stops at the team principal
Frederic Vasseur is a flight engineer and former of racing teams. So he is a good choice for Ferrari, but I had prefered Ferrari´s sportsdirector Laurent Mekies to be team principal.
Jost Capito was an absolute shock, took Williams from being a joke of a team to their first podium (I know it wasn't a full race but it still counts as some success for Williams recent standards) to their first double points finish in God knows how long in 2021. 2022 was a different story but for a team with limited resources it was always going to be an uphill struggle once again. Hoping Williams don't sell themselves to Andretti as rumored because it would be lovely seeing them be competitive again.
Hard to see Fred being equal to the challenge. Poor choice to change principals. Williams is intriguing. The board must be looking for a buyer who may know something about motor racing. Potential for Porsche and Andretti.
As a casual and poor F1 fan that grew up with the Schumacher/Villeneuve era...I find the current race structure to be openly manipulated by the stewards and race control... it's hard to watch. It's like the NFL where it's not rigged or rehearsed.. but manipulated by penalty and time clock and ball spots.
For Vasseur could not be an easier task than it is. He can't go wrong. If he matches Domenicali, Arrivabene and Binotto, he'll be ok. Anything achieved above and beyond that it will be a winner... I'd have taken the job as well, it can only be a win/win situation. If the aim is to do what Brown and Todt did back in 2000's, then it is a different story.
F1 is starting to become like football where the managers can be hired and fired whenever. How long until we start seeing regular firings after the first few races when things arent going to plan?
binotto comes in and brings the team up into a championship competing state. with the fastest car at the start of the season, albeit weak on the strategy side. so ferrari fire him. makes no sense.
In any organisation it takes a strong personality to overcome and then change working practices and culture. (Ross Brawn has done that at Ferrari n the past, of course). I wonder if Fred V will be given the time to do what is necessary at Ferrari ? Don't forget that Ross B had Jean Todt at the top to keep external influences at bay as he got on with the job. Who will do that for Fred V in 2023?
What Williams need to do is copy Aston and invest in their infrastructure as the first step as changing their wider strategic, tactical, operational and cultural philosophy to bring the whole enterprise up the the standards of a modern F1 team. Despite its sale Williams is still stuck in then 80s and 90s when it was dominated.
When will the viewing public wake up to the fact that most people in the industry see F1 as a show, not a sport. If the viewers knew about about the closed-door dealings they would be shocked - but then immediately ask when is the next 'race' on.
He's a part owner of Mercedes Motorsport which includes their F1 works team. Ineos, Daimler (Mercedes parent company) and Wolff each own a one-third stake of Mercedes Motorsport. Edit: sorry he owns a stake of the Mercedes F1 team. I thought it's the whole Mercedes Motorsport that he's part owner of. Yes so along with Ineos and Daimler the three of them each own 33% of Mercedes F1 team
He is a shareholder of the team! If I'm not wrong he hold 30% stakes of the f1 team! Therefore he will be there for as long as he wants! On the other hand,why would Mercedes want to fire him?? He is the best team principal in f1 only matched by Cristian Horner!
With Binotto Ferrari were on the rise. They were doing better every year. And then he’s out. So again I feel the problem with Ferrari isn’t the team boss it’s the executives at Ferrari. They don’t know racing yet they are trying to run and manipulate the team from behind the scenes like puppet masters. My fear is that they will meddle with the team once again under Vasseur and he will be out after a few years because they won’t allow him autonomy. Vasseur is the right guy. Ferrari is the wrong team.
Binotto was the leading Figure in F1 for Ferrari. He executed development, race strategie and that stuff. And that was horrible, maybe I´m wrong but thats how I see it
@@sorenschroder4002 here’s my counter argument. Ferrari is unique in that the team principle does not have absolute control of the team, unlike Mercedes, RedBull and all the other teams on the grid (HAAS may be an exception). He is subject to the whims of the company executives, mostly Vigna and Elkann, who know marketing and running a company but not an F1 team. Since the 14 year reign of Jean Todt Ferrari have gone through 4 team principles. Each one having to run a team they were not allowed to develop as they saw fit. Add to that Italy has a nearly angry love of the team and the Italian press loves to pick apart anything the team does. And with an Italian team principle the pressure and criticism is far beyond what the other team bosses endure. The team has not known stability since Jean Todt. Under Binotto the team finished 6th in 2020, 3rd in 2021, and 2nd in 2022. The car was good. The drivers were good. The strategy was… well… pretty bad. But that can be fixed. However the team was getting better for three years. All while Binotto had to answer to executives who had no competency in developing an F1 team but who interfered too often. Poor Fred Vasseur is headed to possibly the same fate. The execs need to stfu and mind their damn business and stick to marketing sexy road cars.
Mclaren would have gone for an outsider for TP role. Andreas leaving project which he started feels like there is a bigger problem to fix and there season should have been a disaster except for Lando pulling them into mid field mix. Another season or 2 without competivie car Lando will definitely leave mclaren.
It's not a big problem to fix, AST has been with the team since 2015 so he knows the plan that ASI wanted to implement... It's just AST to finish what ASI started
The Ferrari chairman states that Charles Leclerc should be the number 1 guy, the one the team should be built around. He then hires Leclercs former boss as a team principal. But according to Brundle he is brought in to make everyone feel loved.
I hope the venture capitalists don’t get tired of owning an F1 team too quickly and flick Williams off to the highest bidder… which is sort of what venture capitalists exist to do.
Williams is complete toast, the time under Claire, as nice as she seems, was not helpfull and the clearly missed the critical jump-off point some years ago. With how competitive F1 is to claw back from lost chances is really hard.
How does formula 1 continue with countries banning combustion cars all over the world as well as the enormous co2 footprint from the logistics surrounding moving everything from country to country every week or two. It has to be over by 2030?
MB…he’s F1 career was bit of a joke when you compare it to Lewis Hamilton success. As a commentator, too bias towards non Brits which I don’t understand.
Hi Martin dont even think you a good commentator just as bad as you were at driving F1.... NO WIN... 9 Podiums only.... Not sure you should comment as your record is crab
'Other than Toto Wolff'? Since when does he own the entirety of Mercedes F1 (Diamler 1/3, INEOS 1/3, The little dog from Kansas 1/3)? Also, Brawn GP existed. Remember Marty, you Brit Homer? Brawn was the last Brit constructor (using old Honda with Merc power) to win it all. Memory not what it used to be?
He holds roughly a 30% stake in the F1 team. Mercedes IS Brawn, they had merged using the same people and functions after 2009. Imagine crying because of a four minute clip of Martin Brundle 😂😂
@@dfxl6587 Agreed. All these sprint races wouldn't be necessary if the field spread wasn't so big. Imagine RB and Williams and the gap is only 1.1 seconds. That'd be amazing. 2012 is one of my favourite seasons of all time cause of the close grid.
F1 is 98% car 2% driver, Ferrari needs to focus on the car, the drivers are almost irrelevant at this level, because they are all fantastic, without the best car.
@@unthenner5519 german organizations are run by committees, I've been there, Toto is just a political figure head and his impact on MB operations is minimal
Lets be honest Brundle needs to have a honest opinion on himself ge didn't make much of his own career and keeps shouting lots of crap about others. Its what we call the best captains are standing ashore. It takes a lot credibility away from Sky Sh*t too.
Most sports are boring if you are not interested in it. I don’t enjoy football but I wouldn’t go on a football video and tell the fans that I think their sport is boring. So why did you, nobody here could care less if you don’t enjoy it, just don’t watch it, there you go problem solved.
@@senseofthecommonman I used to watch F1 in up to the Mansel era then it just went down hill. PS. I couldn't care less if people couldn't care less about what I think.. This platform is here for all to use like it or not... As for F1.... Bloody hell. YAWN...............
