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John and the crew discuss the report surfacing online that Marvel Studios is making a move to get away from and eventually drop the ongoing Kang storyline which has been building up to the scheduled Avengers: Kang Dynasty movie.
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@rhetro777 8 месяцев назад

I want to see the Kang saga's conclusion. I'm sick of these setups with no payoff.

@LNarciso3 8 месяцев назад

Even though Kang is not a fan favorite villain, but let’s not let Disney pretend Kang is the problem with the MCU.

@MLGHazrad 8 месяцев назад

I think the dumb reason as to why Marvel moves away from Kang is how much they keep killing him off. I think it is scary that a person who often dies keeps returning.

@flyguy7825 8 месяцев назад

But that's how he was in the comics. He had multiple variations through different types of timelines and multiverses

@smarvin1116 8 месяцев назад

They haven't treated Kang like a Big Bad at this point. He's been a tv character and he got washed by Ant Man. That's the resume of a C Level villian.

@JohnAquariusPodcast 8 месяцев назад

Imagine if Kang actually beat antman and the resistance. Kang is Manipulating Scotts mind thinking he won when in actuality he and the resistance is defeated his daughter the only one to escape trying to get back in the real world to warn the Avengers of Kangs Arrival. This is what I thought happened when Scott stated nothing felt right in the end scene .

@KingOfMadCows 8 месяцев назад

But they didn't do anything with Thanos until Infinity War. All he did was sit on his rock toilet and glower.

@justified004 8 месяцев назад

The problem isn't Kang. The problem is they have provided no direction after Endgame. Believe it or not, we are halfway through Phase 5 now, and they have yet to establish the core group of heros going forward. Phase 4 was had no central plot. Add to the fact they keep throwing heros out with no development or follow up. Shang Chi, She-Hulk, Eternals, Moon Knight and more have had zero impact since their debuts.

@2402devin 8 месяцев назад

The fact that they are possibly moving away from Kang due to their terrible story telling of Kang is awful.. they messed him up. It’s their fault… & it sucks cause Kang is a rich character..

@Moskarth 8 месяцев назад

Think it’s a little dishonest to say your average person was shitting themselves when they saw thanos in that post credit scene in Avengers. Only comic book fans would even know who that was and at the end of the day it was just a dude sitting in a chair he hadn’t done anything. I think kang has done a lot more to prove his stature and threat to the MCU than thanos ever did until literally Infinity war came out, I don’t expect to see the truly terrifying version of kang until literally Kang Dynasty.

@AstronautMarsSun 8 месяцев назад

I’ll admit It I had no idea who Thanos was at the end of the Avengers. That movie got me into comics🤣

@Moskarth 8 месяцев назад

@@AstronautMarsSun exactly I am the same way! I think fans expectations have drastically outgrown what is possible for studios to live up to.. there was no expectation back with the beginning of the MCU and so them delivering the quality they did was an awesome treat.. now people like to act like everything was absolutely perfect back then but really if you think about it thanos was just a dude in a chair (avengers) or on a screen (GotG) that hadn’t done anything to make fans fear him unless you read comics. Kang has literal control of time and advanced tech powers and they’ve just given us little tastes to show us what we can expect. Obviously they are not immediately going to final form Kang in Loki or antman like I’m so confused what they expected. HWR (Loki) was just a somewhat peaceful variant that thought they were doing the right thing by preventing other versions of himself from getting out of control.. and Kang (antman) was a banished version that even still was able to create an empire from scratch in the quantum realm. If these introductions to Kang occcured at the beginning of the MCU people would be losing their minds imo.. fans need to do better to dampen expectations and just trust/enjoy the ride that marvel has given us we are so lucky to be born at a time to witness all this on the big screen.

@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom 8 месяцев назад

Kang has done a lot more, yes. But to prove his stature and threat? He got beat by ants. At worst, Thanos failed through Loki and Ronan, it wasn't a direct fail to him.

@Moskarth 8 месяцев назад

@@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom yeah but thanos had done absolutely nothing until infinity war, and then infinity war did an amazing job at making thanos an absolute menance and major threat to everyone. Meanwhile like I said in these comments.. one kang variant had established an entire time variance organization keeping only a single branch intact and literally destroying all other branches.. and another kang variant was banished to the quantum realm by even more terrifying kangs.. and still this kang established from scratch a whole empire ruling over the Quantum realm.. he was ultimately defeated yes by an extremely advanced civilization (don’t even think of them as ants) but we saw what his tech and power was capable of … and even still this variant was only one that was banished by even more powerful kangs imagine what those ones are capable of

@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom 8 месяцев назад

@@Moskarth "Do you know how many Avengers I've killed???", if Kang's threat was real, he wouldn't use the Avengers' name as crutches to sell it. Whether they're ants or cyberpunk ants, he was still beat. And this is the Kang all the other weird Kangs are afraid of. I'd rather imagine a better movie.

@bajaro3455 8 месяцев назад

Sort of revisionist history because there were complaints that all Thanos was doing was sitting in a chair for 6 years. People werent excited when Thanos grabbed the gauntlet at the end of Age of Ulron. The truth is the Russo Bros success of Winter Soldier and Civil War built a lot of hype for Infinity War.

@samuraiking9812 8 месяцев назад

Why can’t they just recast Jonathan as Kang it’s so simple bro it’s not the first time they recast someone in the MCU

@klouddsurferful 8 месяцев назад

Actually, he didn't get beat by Ant-Man, he got beat by ants, man. 🤭

@Mr.LegendDude 8 месяцев назад

I'm offended by your comment. Kang was beat by ultra intelligent ants that had years of development in the Q/Realm. They were super powerful. I'm just kidding. Ant-Man and his lil ants beat discount Thanos. He's a weakling regardless.

@MagicShadows54 8 месяцев назад

If anything Marvel failed Kang by not making a compelling story. Doing this will just make me feel like marvel truly lost its way. It be like well this villain didn’t stick let’s try something else instead of trying to fix it. Imagine this crap happens for Doom, do we just scrap him to?

@QuantumElectricians 8 месяцев назад

Kang should have just been a cameo in AntMan not the main villain. He should just have creepy cameos slowly revealing how powerful he is until Kang Dynasty where they flesh him out similar to Thanos in Infinity War.

@SonicFever87 8 месяцев назад

If the general audience didn’t like the multiverse spiderverse would flop, so would of no way home, everything everywhere all at once. It’s the story telling an how they go about it. Unfortunately if Majors is guilty they can just recast. To toss Kang aside for what? To hopefully get a good Doom story and if it’s not? Are we gonna toss that aside to? Just finish the story.

@qhorton6743 8 месяцев назад

Ant Man beat a Kang VARIANT. The threat isn't ONE of his variants but more so his entire Dynasty lol or am I alone with this thinking? Marvel is just showing the range of his variants and using a variant periodically to act as a antagonist here and there. The "big bad" is his entire Dynasty acting together in unison. That's absolutely an Avengers-level threat, hence "Kang Dynasty".

@iambuhlockay8007 8 месяцев назад

As sad as it would’ve been, I kinda hoped Kang would kill Scott Lang at the end of antman 3. It would’ve really helped in establishing him as the next big bad for the MCU.

@berniepalafox6787 8 месяцев назад

To me Kang is one step ahead of everyone, what a perfect strategy would it be if he planned his loss to Antman and faked his death. Picture him ambushing everyone at some point.

@NotAsianButFlip 8 месяцев назад

Maybe if quantumania ended with ant man and wasp getting horrendously beat and kang laying waste to the quantum realm and the 2 and some quantum realm citizens barely escaping to the real world that wouldve probably helped with the feeling that kang is exceedingly strong…

@RevengeOfThaNerd 8 месяцев назад

Exactly. Obvious fng play.

@nicholasfaith8999 8 месяцев назад

Hank and Scott or Hank and the Wasp should have been killed off to show he wasn't to be messed with

@CashepetersenProduct 8 месяцев назад

If King killed, Paul Rudd, I think everybody would be chomping at the bit to see the avengers get together and kill king. But they played it safe and now nobody cares.

@Nickvanexel23 8 месяцев назад

KANG ain’t the reason post endgame movies have sucked

@NoirNameless 8 месяцев назад

Please don’t use Doom as a bail out villain because of your horrible storytelling. He deserves actual, proper build up, man. 😒 My theory was always that Sokovia was gonna become Latveria, and Doom would use the leftover Ultron bot parts to make his doombots. But I want that done properly. This isn’t it.

@NoirNameless 8 месяцев назад

@@scotts1912 pretty sure the rights hadn’t fully converted yet, so they couldn’t. But I agree… kinda. Really, the Skrulls should’ve been the villains next. Secret invasion should’ve been like a 3 year phase ending with an actual secret Invasion movie, and actually doing the Kree-Skrull war. This could’ve been so much better😭

@tomgu2285 8 месяцев назад

@@NoirNameless they need the beyonder he is the main villian of secret war.

@NoirNameless 8 месяцев назад

@@tomgu2285 He should be there, but I wanna see God Emperor Doom whooping on everyone (including the Beyonder) more than The Beyonder tbh lol. Plus i wish the heart of the story’s conflict could be the relationship between Reed and Doom. But this would require more time to be done before Secret wars comes out. Like I said before, Secret Wars shouldn’t be happening so soon.

@luthergames6930 8 месяцев назад

It's not really a bail and more of a pivot considering the actor of Kang is going to be in trial so Doom is the next thing

@dominiqueeverett5856 8 месяцев назад

Good point because there's a good chance that will end up being the case.

@deltasceptile7805 8 месяцев назад

I was super excited about Kang being a major villain, but if moving away from that means the MCU can stabilize and not run into total mediocrity and confusion, I can accept that.

@JusticeShines 8 месяцев назад

I think he should have killed antman and won. With Wasp now having to go around convincing the other heroes of the looming threat

@damiandekker474 8 месяцев назад

Seriously, He Who Remains made Kang sound like a proper threat at the end of Loki S1, but since then, everything they've done has just made him kind of a punchline

@jacobsunderground5281 8 месяцев назад

Just give the Loki folks Kang Dynasty and recast Kang if need be. Can't rush into Dr Doom. They dropped the ball with everything.

@jonsilvidi1398 8 месяцев назад

It would be hard to go away from the storyline because the whole point of of the sacred timeline in Loki was to prevent multiversal war among the kangs. Now the war happens again with all the Kang variants. And the don’t forget the end credit scene in AM3. The build up in Loki season 2 with how strong Kang is and the fact that the entire multiverse would be destroyed. It’s HARD to move away from that

@CountJinsulaOfficial 8 месяцев назад

Honestly, Loki Season 2 was good enough to close off this Kang storyline. The whole thing with the TVA dealing with the Kang Variants and Loki foiling He Who Remains is a good way to say "we are done with Kang now".

@xman48205 8 месяцев назад

I don't like the fact of the TVA dealing with super-powered variants anyway. I think that aspect was always one of the weaker written parts of the show. Besides standing inside the actual TVA, which negates superpowers, TVA agents haven't been shown to be capable of taking anyone down, let alone Kang The Conqueror with his advanced time travel technology. 🤷🏾‍♂️

@Predatorwarrior18 8 месяцев назад

You know what they should’ve done? They’ve should’ve done a scene at the end of Endgame where Kang and his followers were watching the Avengers and the other heroes defeating Thanos and one of his subordinates said, “They broke the rules of time to cheat themselves out of defeat. We should conquer them!” and Kang then says, “No, we’ll let them be for now. I have more pressing matters than to deal with these rabble Avengers and besides…..” Kang then turns around towards the screen and audience. “I’ve grown bored with killing these Avengers. I’ll deal with them again…….in time.”

@Tubs428 8 месяцев назад

Good thing you’re not a writer at marvel

@SinkfieldHoops 8 месяцев назад

⁠@@Tubs428bro hating😭 this isn’t a bad a idea at all in terms of endgame ending and it starts in on a tight shot of the effects of endgame playing out, and it pans out slowly revealing that it’s Kang watching them. I like the quote about using time to avoid defeat. That’s really interesting, imo if he just says the quote about them breaking the rules of time to cheat themselves out of defeat, w us knowing Kang is notorious for being defeated a lot until he’s victorious can play a lot into his character arc

@byronhines8315 8 месяцев назад

At this point, i dont trust Disney with any good Marvel villain. Right now, they are desperate, and thats a bad thing for filmmaking. They are so worried about checking boxes versus just being passionate to tell a good story. That's why out of all the trilogies in the mcu guardians was the best and took a villians no one knows and made him decent

@c-tha-man9463 8 месяцев назад

I think I'm the only person that thought Shang Chi was...forgettable. But I agree with everything else....

@joesha28 8 месяцев назад

Putting Kang against Antman was a Bad move. Kang should be pitted against the Marvels. This would have elevated Captain Marvel as a Universal protector and Kang as a top threat power wise. As for the Actor Majors, I hope he comes out well (if he is not guilty) and able to continue.

@quentinglover1907 8 месяцев назад

People want kang idk what your talking about switching a villain isnt gonna save anything

@marcgodley3064 8 месяцев назад

Deadpool 3 should open with a scene where Deadpool is murdering the rest of the Kang variants. Just show a room full of dead variants, that’s that!

@rpvisual6192 8 месяцев назад

Moving away from the Kang storyline this deep in the multiverse saga REEKS of 2017/2018 DCEU where there was no direction and the overall universe storyline flip flopped all over the place. On top of that Kang is the one time that you can recast the character and have minimal issues considering variants and the multiverse, which is a concept the MCU can’t even wrap around or use creatively and they’re basing the entire saga off the multiverse.

@MentalSmarties 8 месяцев назад

Finish what you started. The problem isn’t freaking Kang. You have an incredible villain and actor to go along with him. The problem is you guys don’t know how to write well constructed movies!!!

@CorderoStephens 8 месяцев назад

When Thanos turned and smile, it was literally a “Oh shit” moment. Even if you didn’t know who he was, you knew he was someone not to be fucked with. You was hooked immediately.

@garythescifiguy4345 8 месяцев назад

They should’ve made Kang kill Hank Pim in Antman 3

@DesLovelace 8 месяцев назад

I thought this immediately after watching Loki. Loki is holding everything together and The tva mentioned that they were taking down all the kang variants. Gives them an easy way out.

@isaiahc2994 8 месяцев назад

I'm hoping they don't move away from kang. I believe after the poor reception to their movies/shows the last few years feige can get things back in track. I may be biased since I like the idea of multiverse and Kang, but if they can tie together better stories starting with DP3 I think they can turn it around.

@chrisbiggs5415 8 месяцев назад

I feel for Jonathan Majors with his legal battle and the lukewarm writing of his Kang character. I would actually like Marvel to finish the Kang story rather than shoehorn Doom or another villain into the fold even if it means just getting another actor to play Kang.

@benm5970 8 месяцев назад

Yeah, even though it would mean we’d have to just kinda power through the rest of the multiverse saga to get to it I’d much rather them finish what they started, wait till phase 6 like their original plan and give us a properly fleshed out version of Doctor Doom as opposed to just abruptly dropping the Kang storyline and quickly throwing together this half assed version of Doctor Doom to take over as the main villain

@mohammedrahman9649 8 месяцев назад

It will be a bad move by Marvel to stray away from Kang Storyline as they have been building from phase 4 all the narratives circling Kang and his impact on the Multiverse (Loki, Antman and The Wasp Quantumaina etc.) They should stick with the Kang Storyline they have been building up all through these phases 4 and 5 and take it to fruition otherwise it will be a bad look for Marvel

@NORTHCITYENT1 8 месяцев назад

Aggravated speeding and domestic violence are both misdemeanors… it’s a fight with his girlfriend… bet 100,000$ he doesn’t see a day in jail… so if ur arrested for a misdemeanor ur cancelled… this shits crazy… he’s a damn actor not a pastor..

@Superman.no1 8 месяцев назад

They introduced Scarlett Witch more powerful and threatening then Kang. Should be her then Kang.

@EpticityOG 8 месяцев назад

@@htvtc21wait what? Who? when?

@JerichoSteele 8 месяцев назад

Everyone’s on a sugar crash from End Game and are now looking for their next hit faster. It was a slow burn before we got Thanos

@mosesking2923 8 месяцев назад

Loki got defeated in Thor but then showed up in Avengers 2012 as a force to be reckoned with. I don’t understand Kriss’ argument why Kang being defeated in Antman 3 should disqualify him.

@victory7763 8 месяцев назад

There's always a reason to eliminate prominent them. They found their reason with T'Challa, now they've found their reason with Kang... they are currently looking for a reason to ditch Blade as that constantly gets delayed.

@Thedude38356 8 месяцев назад

I've been saying this since the movie yet everyone dismisses it. I do think the marketing shouldn't have kept saying he was the "new Thanos" because that right there was asking for trouble. Realistically Kang shouldn't have been in Quantumania. It should have just been MODOK and AIM.

@mosesking2923 8 месяцев назад

@@victory7763 It’s true that overseas countries (especially China) don’t like seeing AA’s in their movies. But that’s not an excuse for killing off an entire storyline which was supposed to lead into an Avengers movie.

@victory7763 8 месяцев назад

@@mosesking2923 I agree

@wonderboy8917 8 месяцев назад

I'm not sure how I feel about Doom suddenly being the big bad. They've had a a heck of a lot more build up for Kang than they have for Doom. Remember, the build up for Thanos didn't really give us an idea of what a threat he was UNTIL Avengers Infinity War. So, I can see how Marvel has been planning to do the same thing with the Avengers Kang Dynasty movie, where we won't see what a major threat Kang is until his Avengers movie comes out. Then just like End Game was the conclusion to Infinity War, the Avengers Secrets Wars movie would be the conclusion to Kang Dynasty. I really hope they don't have to pivot away from Kang, because we've already had 3 piece of build up with him (Loki S1, Quantumania, Loki S2), and it would be tough to just suddenly throw Doom at us out of nowhere to suddenly be the big bad of an Avengers movie, when there's already this established threat build up with Kang.

@audaciousjones 8 месяцев назад

doom can be introduced in f4, then he's one of the villains of armor wars, then he teams up with avengers to fight kang and then he betrays them and becomes villain of secret wars

@metallicnole4514 8 месяцев назад

I hope they don't shoehorn doom

@damiandekker474 8 месяцев назад

The prospect of Kang is exciting, but they have done nothing since the finale of Loki S1 to make him seem like any sort of a threat

@WAHegle91 8 месяцев назад

I hope they don’t ditch the Kang storyline because I’m genuinely interested in where they go with it, but I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I’m just as curious about what they’re going to do with the Eternals and Arishem. Kang can time travel and cross universes, but Arishem seems pretty almighty in the MCU and I wonder what they’ll do with him and the other Celestials that are out and about.

@tabsdalessio9910 8 месяцев назад

They should've mapped Kang's exposure and story better.

@lando_calrissian9872 8 месяцев назад

Kang going against such low power level ( Loki/Ant-Man) heroes was a huge mistake. Dr. Doom should have been the Big Bad all along. I just hope they don't rush him, I want Victor's full story

@xman48205 8 месяцев назад

Dr. Doom's power level is much lower than Loki's just to let you know. 🤷🏾‍♂️

@wez90210 8 месяцев назад

I think was also didn’t help was that at the time there was big rumour Kang was going to kill Ant-man. That would have made Kang to be a bigger threat.

@thomasrobertmack 8 месяцев назад

20 minutes of rolling my eyes at the Campea cringe. Kang is still being setup as the big bad guy, hence the warning in both appearances that worse variants are coming. What isn't working is the plethora of mediocre one offs that's supposed to culminate in a big secret wars fight. Audiences aren't caring about The Marvels, The Eternals, The Thunderbolts, She-Hulk, etc. What is with these properties? Are they coming back? Are they setting up their own universes? Just tell us what's been the direction of these new phases because we're confused.

@jerryterwase9027 8 месяцев назад

At least I'm relieved knowing that there isn't going to be a storyline where Kang gets threatened by kate Bishop's arrows.

@Lighthammer66 8 месяцев назад

As a former avid comic book reader, I knew exactly who Thanos was when I saw him in that mid credit scene. I was pumped!!!😁😁

@Speedster2000 8 месяцев назад

I have always that if in Quantumania when Ant Man beat Kang it should’ve been at a cost, like, a death or at the very least getting stuck in the Quantum Realm something that wasn’t a complete win for Ant Man

@ginofrancejr555 8 месяцев назад

I would not kill off Kang i would just recast him

@kingsol4786 8 месяцев назад

That makes no sense with terrible writing. If the story sucks changing from majors to someone else won’t matter

@geo1art 8 месяцев назад

Marvel should still work on Kang, I’m too invested in the character! I liked Ant-Man Quantumania (wasn't great, but wasn't terrible) Kang was Freaking awesome!

@GabeKnowsBest 8 месяцев назад

Difference in opinion. You trying to force a pivot on people. To me Dr doom isn’t interesting I want the Kang story line to play out Jonathan Majors killing his roles of the variants

@colinwood8631 8 месяцев назад

The majority of movie fans don't want the TV shows. You are not gonna get a villian over on Disney +.

@caffeinatedlizard3593 8 месяцев назад

From a story perspective we got that big bad feeling in loki but it wasnt conveyed in the fighting and the one time he did fight he lost to ants after boasting about killing thor and avengers. They gotta show more fight scenes then pair that with the "better the devil you know" philosophy from loki so ee could understand the scale of kang

@happybuttersblast8334 8 месяцев назад

The idea about Kang is that there are limitless number of them... it took a population of super intelligent ant civilization to beat 1 kang..... what the hell would they do to beat 100K Kangs?

@fiqridwan 8 месяцев назад

they can recast Kang.. Denzel and Boyega as Kang. one Kang tried to kill the other... only the elder Kang survived for next Avenger..

@ericflood7562 8 месяцев назад

What’s wrong with just recasting… why waste all the time they’ve spent building up kang

@LanceG007 8 месяцев назад

That’s why this is all just nonsense.Marvel gives its actors fake scripts so they can’t leak anything so why are we believing these other reports

@okechukwuumeano586 8 месяцев назад

It’s solely down to bad writing.. If Thanos had his ass handed to him by hulk at the beginning of Infinity War, he wouldn’t have been such a great villain.

@anothervictory2595 8 месяцев назад

Jonathan Majors overacting is terrible as well. Completely miscast.

@okechukwuumeano586 8 месяцев назад

@@anothervictory2595 it is not.. i have barely heard any one complain about that.. His performance is totally in sync with the characters he is portraying.

@TyVerado 8 месяцев назад

seriously where does he get “the audience” from? We’ve literally only seen a Proper Kang once. And these Antman takes are rough. Kang lost but was not beaten by Antman. Wild.

@_StevenSinatra 8 месяцев назад

We didn’t even know what Thanos was capable of initially.. especially if you were an average fan.. Kang has many layers it’s just bad writing and presentation it they can fix that

@Slimdagremlin 8 месяцев назад

Kang has not been fully established yet. The main issue is that Johnathan’s personal life got in the way of this once in a lifetime opportunity & it’s really sad bc I have been very excited about his character as a villain.

@manueldejesus7495 8 месяцев назад

I was right from the beginning, MCU over saturated the market with way too much content and seriously bad writing. MCU needs to take a long break for a while, regroup and start fresh.

@davidkennard6071 8 месяцев назад

I agree! I watched The Marvels last weekend and was genuinely lost. I never watched Wanda Vision nor Ms Marvel. It’s way too much content to keep track of.

@manueldejesus7495 8 месяцев назад

@@davidkennard6071 after the endgame, they should’ve taken a break and stop wasting money on TV series. Viewership has declined in the last couple of years. What a shame.

@MatiZ815 8 месяцев назад

I don’t believe in dropping storylines like this. It rarely works and creates more issues than solves them. Star Wars sequel trilogy would be the prime example of that. You course correct and make steps to improve the plot instead of pretending it never happened.

@Astronomy360 8 месяцев назад

The thing is that all of the movies he mentioned were not really Marvel movies and had a lot of special circumstances. Spider-Man No Way Home was basically a Sony movie (Marvel only gets 25%) The reason Guardians 3 was so good was Marvel had the good sense to let James Gunn complete his vision, and Shang Chi was what happens when an incredible director gets to create a great world with cool characters. So we can't say that Marvel lives again, just like we shouldn't always say Marvel is dead. It's a case-by-case basis. Those saying that Marvel can do no wrong, and who don't acknowledge the failures in phases 4 and 5 are just as wrong as those that are saying it is dead. They have good and bad movies, and that is how it will always be. Past performance is not indicative of future success, and past failure does not mean all is lost.

@MrVeens1 8 месяцев назад

honestly the high evolutionary was way more menacing than Kang

@Evil_Peter 8 месяцев назад

It's a bit of a side track but Darth Vader didn't become the Vader we all know and love until The Empire Strikes Back. His shouting persona in ANH isn't nearly as good as the calm and ruthless version we get in ESB. I'm not saying that it's bad in ANH, but it's not even close to how good he is in the rest of the trilogy.

@Evil_Peter 8 месяцев назад

@@YouPube_X Judging by your post I can only assume you think I said that Vader wasn't popular in ANH, but if that's the case you missed the point.

@skullgamer64 8 месяцев назад

As much as I like Kang but Doom is the most underrated villain in the marvel universe. Not only his appearance makes him look menacing but what he does in the comics clearly shows how much of a threat he is.

@ortiztheinfamous2771 8 месяцев назад

I wouldn't say he's underrated honestly. He WIDELY considered the greatest marvel villain and even comic villain of all time

@adreday10 8 месяцев назад

i dont believe they are scrapping kang dynasty but when it comes to secret wars i never thought he was gonna be the main villain

@nunouno001 8 месяцев назад

Honestly, even if the Jonathan Majors situation wasn’t happening, Marvel just kept shooting Kang in the foot and made him feel like such an underwhelming threat. I understand they wanted him to be a more hands on villain, as opposed to Thanos who had henchmen villains fighting for him until he took over for infinity war. The thing with that approach is they you need to have him win every encounter with the heroes to build him up as a credible threat to the audience. If you have him constantly showing up just to lose, and his first defeat is against Antman, then the audience is never going to take him seriously as a villain.

@OnMyFingerTips 8 месяцев назад

Kangcelled. 😂😂

@cylis8502 8 месяцев назад

It genuinely boggles my mind that Quantumania was supposed to be Marvel big introduction to Kang, and they wrote him the way that they did. Like, who at Marvel watched that film and was like “Yep, great villain, super intimidating, next Thanos”.

@anothervictory2595 8 месяцев назад

The problem is that the multiverse allows them infinite limitless do-overs. That's a cheap story telling gimmick and ppl are already sick of it.

@HARLEMHEFNER 8 месяцев назад

The multiverse saga has been an absolute failure. The only thing it was able to do is give us Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield. Plus, help writers usher in the Xmen with no continuity problems.

@keithoneil9894 8 месяцев назад

They didn’t have a genuine plan for this phase. It’s obvious now.

@Dru2037 8 месяцев назад

It was "an absolute failure" and went on to mention a billion dollar hit.😂

@prochetoshsanyal 8 месяцев назад

@@Dru2037 yes and he pointed out that it was a success. Even if it was not failing box office wise till last year, it is now. Only success of this year was GOTG 3 which is the only good movie they have put out. And the only one which did not involve the Multiverse. The multiverse should not have been properly introduced before phase 6. Plant the seeds here and there. But don't go all in until the characters are developed enough. Right now we are 1.5 phases into the multiverse saga and no character has had more than 1 solo project except Loki. Not Shang Chi, not Doctor Strange, not the Eternals (yeah remember how the earth is cracked with a giant celestial sticking out of it and nobody talks about that?). Last we saw Sam Wilson was 2.5 years ago. Doctor Strange is god knows where, the real Black Panther is dead, who even are the Avengers, where is shang chi's ten rings sending signals to, and how come there have been 5 separate multiverse projects and none of them have given us a proper explaination of the multiverse in the MCU? Yes it is a mess.

@jadan2000 8 месяцев назад

The MCU is so saturated with characters right now, that we cant even get into the multiverse saga. Think about it, we haven't seen anything about Spiderman or Shang chi or the eternals or their post credit scenes since their last movies came out. And very few movies or shows have pushed the multiverse sage storyline forward, with all of that, you make another movie that doesn't push the story forward. this is getting old. I feel like they thought restarting their original formula was going to work, but it hasn't worked well at all. We need to see the new cast of superheroes working together to solve the Multiverse and Kang problem. Until that finally happens, and in high quality, these movies are going to continue to suffer low box office numbers.

@Sehlat 8 месяцев назад

How is the audience supposed to know what the people at Marvel are up to when they don't know themselves?

@zoethagoat 8 месяцев назад

We not having this convo if kang killed at least one member of the antman family

@SuperJumper40 8 месяцев назад

How about Marvel focus on making some great movies out of Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars? After that, no one would care that Kang's introduction wasn't the best.

@benriley973 8 месяцев назад

I’m sorry John, but I disagree with you on this, it would be a huge mistake if got rid of Kang and pivot to Dr Doom. If Majors is found guilty they can just simply recast him. Just bring in Doom will not solve all the MCU's problems. You could put doctor doom in antman 3 and it still would’ve made the same amount of money and would have gotten the same response Kang did.

@MarcusSingletaryDMV 8 месяцев назад

Exactly. A lot of ppl (mostly NON comic book readers probably), simply don't understand the threat of Kang. Plus a lot of ppl didn't consider the FACT that the [version] we saw in Antman was simply that: "a version" - the REAL Kang [likely] hasn't been portrayed yet. That version wasn't him at his most powerful A lot of ppl are/were simply impatient to see where it was all going to go...

@Badfurday415 8 месяцев назад

The wasp saved ant man from getting his ass beat he didn’t win that fight 🙄

@jamainesmith9952 8 месяцев назад

If he is found innocent I really hope he gets back what he has lost

@timmaytargaryen 8 месяцев назад

If Kang killed Scott and Hope, we would be hyped af for Kang. Why should I care about Kang if he’s easily beaten in one movie?

@terryf3282 8 месяцев назад

The fact that he was beaten by Ant-man makes him very weak looking.

@Ode_10 8 месяцев назад

I really don’t think Kang is the problem here. The real problem has been bang average films and awful TV shows (besides Loki and Wanda)

@UncG3 8 месяцев назад

I think they are/were just starting to build to the true menace Kang is/was going to become. I would hate it if they are abandoning the Kang story.

@Thedude38356 8 месяцев назад

I wonder how these guys would react to Ant-Man beating Dr. Doom which 100% happened in the comics.

@JB-sc1tg 8 месяцев назад

Bringing out Doom at this point would feel extremely rushed. It would be like when DC rushed out the Justice League. Marvel needs to give the writing team from Loki a blank check and have them fix the mess that Quantumania made.

@coreyforeman8839 8 месяцев назад

Actually wasp.hit Kang with her taser and knocked him back from the portal. So wasp did not antman

@kaysnow5567 8 месяцев назад

Yeah, Kris forgot about what happened in the movie. lol

@how8132 8 месяцев назад

The faster we end this Multiverse crap, the better.

@benriley973 8 месяцев назад

What a horrible mistake. There's been too much build up for kang. And people think doom will magically fix everything? Better writing and a tighter ship led by fiege is what will save everything. Other wise you're gonna just blow kang aside for a rushed piss poor doom story line.

@everydaypeople4855 8 месяцев назад

To me this just proves that marvel doesn't have a plan.

@eojossur4010 8 месяцев назад

They could set Kang aside. Make him “disappear” only to return later at some point in the future. And they could make it all part of the Kang long game.

@lesterwhite8032 8 месяцев назад

You can't have a Marvel 'Big Bad' getting defeated by the weakest Marvel hero. Marvel and the writers of Quantumania destroyed the entire MCU Kang concept themselves.

@7hew0lv3r1ne 8 месяцев назад

If you watched the end credits scene, you'd know that variant wasn't the 'Big Bad'. If he was, then how come he got defeated?

@terryf3282 8 месяцев назад

@@7hew0lv3r1nea lot of people are getting sick of staying around for end credits or watching crappy TV shows to fully understand the plot of a movie they are watching.

@7hew0lv3r1ne 8 месяцев назад

@@terryf3282 It's a Marvel movie, bub. You KNOW there's going to be a post-credits scene.

@Midnight93933 8 месяцев назад

Kang should have killed Ant man. Or the very least he should be trapped in the quantum realm.

@Poeticbj 8 месяцев назад

They should NOT get rid of Kang. Get better writing and make him someone to be feared and not beaten by ANTMAN!

@NORTHCITYENT1 8 месяцев назад

And why do we only get one villain at a time? Like evil waits it’s turn lol smh… 12 hero’s but only one villain 😂

@hartshaped 8 месяцев назад

If they were to recast Kang I’d be all for either John Boyega or John David Washington On the topic of making Kang a threat, I think the way Kang should have been handled in the Ant-Man film should have been as the trailer teased a brutal beatdown of Scott. Hope, Cassie and Scott being no match in a final 3 on 1 fight and only narrowly escaping with their lives, perhaps ending on a realisation they’d left something behind in the Quantum Realm that Kang will be able to use to escape at some point.