i wonder if there will ever come a time where all marvel heroes and villians will have to unite together against a villian team featuring galactus , thanos , apocalypse , ultron , and mephisto. like this comment if you think marvel should make a comic series based on that idea.
Galactus isn't really an evil villain, he eats planets cause he needs to, he admits he doesn't actually like devouring all that life but he has to in order to survive, so I couldn't see him siding with anyone.
Numinous123 I was not trying to be mean and sense when anyone cared about spelling on commenting. And you don't know how much I love ultron and the avengers so why dont you keep it to yourself.
Yes! He IS more like Brainiac than Apocalypse! I think it's stupid that people compare Ultron to Apoc. bcz he's not, except for tht he comes back stronger, otherwise they are not comparable. So I agree that he's more equivalent to Brainiac than any other.
The spidey movies were by Sony, not Marvel. And the green goblin and electro etc also came from the same type of era as the other funny villians. But it turned out well I guess :)
Once again, your videos are always on point, great work. My own personal theory's on Ultron's origin are these. 1. We hear about something that Tony helped Thor with in Asgaard and one of his suits got left behind and modified by some bio-techno jazz corrupting Jarvis into Ultron. 2. Loki, after being Hulk's ragdoll, came to and stole the House Jarvis, and now as Odin incorporated Jarvis into the Destroyer Armor. We know Jarvis can operate an Iron Man suit on its own, and the Asgaardians are actually more advanced than us. Also this allows for the Oedipus thing to play out with Tony and Pepper. What do ya think?
What do I think? I think that all of this ridiculous shoehorning of Edgar Wright's Ant Man script - which is completely incompatible with Marvel Comics canon or anything having to do with The Avengers - into the MCU is foolish and a waste of time. The simpler and more intelligent strategy would've been to trash Edgar Wright's idea altogether and re-work Ant Man as an origin story for Hank Pym and Janet Van Dyne as Ant Man and Wasp, have them join The Avengers against Loki, and then lead into the Ultron storyline with Hank Pym creating Ultron as he did in the comics. Every time Hollywood deviates from the comics, the result is usually a god-awful mess.
After blowing up all of his Iron Man suits in Iron Man 3, Tony's going to make Ultron under the impression that it will replace him as a defender of justice. There'll probably a small but obvious Pym name drop when talking about Ultron's software.
its interesting that you propose stark creates him, have you considered the possibility that maybe the robotic version of Jarvis in the cinematic universe could already be ultron 1?
I'm loving all these videos man, you are doing an amazing job. One thing I would recommend is ending each video with a good list of recommended readings and maybe a few amazon links in the description. Could open up to having videos exclusive to discussion of the comics in question! Anyways good luck to you man and thanks again for this awesome series.
Does anyone else think that "Masters of Evil" is a bit unimaginative? It sounds like they were scrapping the bottom of the barrel when they came up with that name.
Great to know what Ultrons goals are (in the comics at least.), and I concur with your speculation, given we know who plays The Vision in the film. As for Marvel Request Monday! Nova Corps (Earth-616) In addition I've been reading a few good story arcs now, but I keep hitting my head on the wall with "I'm missing some backstory to this". Knowing you have 'Marvel Comics / Films - Where to start?', I'm still curious to know where a good starting point would be, Earth 616-wise, without having to go back ~70 years. As an example let's say I'm willing to go back to comics with a release date around the year 2000. Can you help?
A really interesting bit of information you left out was there was a reformed, "good" Ultron eventually. Ultron-12. He formed a friendly father/son like relationship with Hank Pym in the West Coast Avengers comics, and actually sacrificed himself to save Pym from Ultron-11
Am I the only person who is very bummed out that ultrons origin will be wrong in AOU? Honestly , that's the only thing that keeps me from building a time machine and jumping to May 1st. Dramatic, yes, yes I am
Well the Comic Universe and the Cinematic Universe are completely separate, So whats "right" in one universe doesn't mean that it will be "right" in another universe
It may not actually be completely wrong, its stated that Tony Stark looks into an old peacekeeper program. Meaning his looking at creating a Ultron, they can still establish that it was created by Hank Pym since I think now in the Antman movie or I think Agent Carter series Tony's dad works along side Hank Pym in making shit.
It will be revealed that michael Douglas's Hank Pym was the original creator of the Ultron A.I. Tony and Banner just modified it for their purposes. So they are still paying homage to the comics.
knossis1 I didn't want a "homage" to the comics, I wanted them to respect the material and have Hank Pym and Janet Van Dyne in the Avengers as Ant-Man/Giant-Man and The Wasp, and to have Hank Pym create Ultron, not Tony Stark. Seriously, there is no reason whatsoever for eliminating Hank and Janet from their rightful place in the MCU and replacing them with Scott Lang..... except, of course, for foolishly accommodating that British idiot Edgar Wright, who didn't even stick around to make his damn movie anyway. This Marvel Cinematic universe under Kevin Feige's direction is just getting more fucked up with each passing movie. It's sad that the animated features can get the story right, but Hollywood can't.
44excalibur The movie was fine in my opinion. I like what they did with the story. Scott Lang's is a better fit than Hank's anyways. Hank is such a messed up, and convoluted character in the comic's. He's a wife beater, who has multiple personality disorder. Scott's story is much cleaner, he's a dad and a former criminal. I like that they made a heist movie out of it, and turned Hank Pym into an elder statesmen. The movie's can never be exactly like the comic's and thank God for that. Hank has too much terrible back story for the movies. They smartly paid homage to Hank being the first Ant man, they connected him with Shield, Peggy Carter and the Stark family. They enriched their cinematic Universe in the process.
Great great great video..My theory on how Ultron will be created is Hank Pym will be involved in creating him along with Tony Stark and he may make an appearance in Age of Ultron either as a cameo or flashback or name drop or whatever. I just don't see why Marvel would throw away decades of backstory and mythology just too make Ultron, Starks baby. Also Pym could easily have created him years ago with the help of Stark and just as AOU is happening Ultron could have escaped and went rogue and that is where his conflict wit The Avengers come into play..CAN'T WAIT UNTIL MAY 2015
Wow! This "commentator" knows his stuff about ULTRON and one of the earlier roster of " AVENGERS". Even though the Black Knight character is a super hero from The 40's published by "Timely Comics"later on "Marvel Comics", I didn't know that he was reintroduce into the (now) " Marvel Universe" as a villain first then super hero.
Neither did I-I remember him being a member of The avengers. And fighting with or against the Egyptian god Seth when I was a kid the second time that surtur showed up eventually. In fact I even remember when Odin supposedly died after taking Surtur with him and that series where Beta Rey Bill and The Warriors Three are fighting Surturs forces on Earth and Loki Thor and Odin are fighting surtur himself on Asgard but yeah I remember pretty far back and wow that's that's way before my time.
Thanks for these explanations I've been subscribe to your channel for a week now I feel alot of questions have been explain about certain characters. Keep up the good work
Radioactive Man was actually still in the Thunderbolts up until Dark Reign began, and was a useful asset to the team. He only accidentally blew up New York City ONCE! Real talk tho, you should do a Thunderbolts explained (not the shitty Marvel NOW version, that gave me cancer) !!
it's odd that Ultron, being on of the greatest adversary of the Avengers has a pretty poor back story with him just having an irrational urge to destroy his creator and everything else eventually.
According the Ultron's movie bio he was discovered by Tony right after the invasion of New York and Tony used him as a means to help them if something like that ever occurred again but yeah you see where that's going.
I like the information you put out pertaining to how you think Marvel will use Ultron in the current movie. I personally think that Ultron will still have been created originally by Hank Pym, with the assistance of Tony Stark's father, but was scrapped because of their understanding that he was too powerful. Tony Stark pocks up the work of his father and decides that he can use this to try and master an AI that can be used by his Iron Army!
Sorry, but Marvel's attempt to shoehorn Edgar Wright's old and irrelevant Ant Man script that eliminates Hank Pym and Janet Van Dyne from their own story by making Hank Pym an old man and having Tony Stark create Ultron only shows a complete ignorance of the characters and the comics by Kevin Feige and Marvel. Tony would never create Ultron or an Iron Army because he's an engineering expert who prefers user-based technology, like his Iron Man armor. Anyone who knows the comics and Tony's character knows that he would consider any A.I.-based technology that removes human decisions from the equation to be unreliable and dangerous. Hank Pym is he theoretical physicist and robotics expert, which is why he and he alone is the only one who would create something as risky as Ultron and base Ultron's programming on his own brainwave patterns. Just because Hank Pym and Tony Stark are both geniuses doesn't make them interchangeable, and Marvel's decision to use Edgar Wright's old Scott Lang script instead of just starting all over with a new script featuring a young Hank Pym and Janet Van Dyne joining the Avengers will come back to haunt Marvel Studios. No Hank and Janet, no Avengers and no Ultron, period.
Javien Washington No, Tony creates Ultron from pieces of alien Chitauri technology left over from the Battle of New York. The filmmakers have attempted to try and shoehorn in Hank Pym having created the Ultron program as a peacekeeping program, but that's little more than a consolation prize. The point is that Tony Stark isn't supposed to have anything to do with creating Ultron, period. Hank Pym creates Ultron from the ground up. Having Tony Stark create Ultron instead of Hank Pym is as stupid as thinking that Bill Gates could create Apple Computer instead of Steve Jobs, or that Thomas Edison could create alternating current(AC) instead of Nikola Tesla. The only reason this storyline was even conceived was due to Kevin Feige wanting Edgar Wright's apparent end-all-be-all Ant Man script in the MCU(which Feige only ended up altering to such an extent that Wright left the project in disgust), and it's a sloppy fit. This is one of the most backwards-assed decisions I've ever seen, and I expected better from Marvel Studios, at least to respect their own characters. I'd expect this more from Fox and Sony, not Marvel. They should've just had Hank Pym and Janet Van Dyne in the MCU and tossed Wright's idea altogether.
So everytike you kill him, he comes back and is more powerful, so the Marvel hero's struggle ends up being for nothing. The movie "The Next Avengers" uses the idea that they killed Ultron enough times that he became powerful enough to eliminate every one of the Avengers exept Hulk and Thor. To me that makes Ultron the ultimate villian in Marvel or D.C
Plague Doctor Correction: Iron Man lived and so did the Vision. And even though Thor lived. He abandoned Earth when Odin died and he had to take the throne to Asgard. By the way. Tony , Thor , Vision , and I were the only ones to survive against Ultron. He killed everyone else. Spider-man , Dr.Strange , the Fantastic Four , the X-men , everybody. He even killed every Villain on the planet. But I avenged them all by ripping Ultrons puny body in half.
no because tony was the one who took care of the kids. unless you mean the armor as iron man in witch case well...... still no because tony once said "You can take away my toys , my tech , my home. But there is one thing you can't take away from me. I am Iron Man."
Great stuff. Haven't really read comics since the 80's but I like the movies, so it's great to get caught up on the backstories without a huge investment of time.
Yes he is more like Brainiac than Apocalypse. I think it's stupid that people compare Ultron to Apoc. bcz he's not except for tht he comes back stronger, otherwise they are not comparable. So I agree that he's more equivalent to Brainiac than any other.
Yeah, it's funny to see the parallels between D.C. and Marvel characters. Death Stroke and Deadpool all the way to the Nova Corps. and the Green Lantern Corps.
Can you do an analysis of the movie now that we´v all seen it? and mentions the big differences and or easter eggs etc etc.. im sure that would be really interesting
So Ultron is immortal with with eternal determination against destroying all life on a single planet? He is the biggest threat to Earth in the Marvel universe.
IDK what this is going to be but I cannot get over how perfect you were synopsis of the comic book age of Ultron story is that's pretty much your magnum opus or if you prefer your high water mark I mean that's the really masterful thing. I mean it's completely perfect and none of your videos have been able to stand up to it though unfortunately
Here's a theory. What if ultron is a nano Borg that's an after effect of Jarvis' creation. He could have infiltrated the terseract which we now know is on Asgard. What if he possesses the destroyer armour and follows Thor back to earth.
I suspect the motivations will change, and not just because of what happened in Captain America: The Winter Soldier, but because the whole "destroy all life" villain feels redundant.
Is it all life, i.e., synthetic vs. organic,or just all human life? Either way it doesn't make sense to me either, but Ultron shouldn't have a grudge against hedgehogs or potatoes. ;-)
Speaking of adapting...I think it would be really cool if he would do a session on Amazo.(one of the most powerful characters in DC history. He had sooo much potential) =)
P believe this is whats gonna happen for Avengers 2, Hank Pym is gonna make a special appearance in Av.2 talk to Tony Stark about what he's working on but something failed & he's asking Tony for help! Tony takes over project comes to find out its Ultron! Ultron has a glitch turns bad now its up to the Avengers to help out & save the day! THEN.......... Ant Man movie comes out right after Avengers 2!
Wouldn't a closer character in Marvel to Doomsday be Ultimate Apocalypse? Ultimate Apocalypse simply cannot die. Whatever is used to hurt him becomes incorporated to his body, and his body modifies instantaneously to become resistant to it. Basically he grows stronger and stronger to whatever attack placed on him,becoming immune to it in the process. Only the Phoenix was strong enough to make him retreat.
if marvel was a bit more tech savy one solution for the origins of utron could be if he open sourced the source code for ultrons AI... then depublished it after the events of the movie.. that way tony stark could have just been experimenting with it... maybe putting it a bit of his code for jarvis.. and such... and after that there will be bits of utron code all over the place giving a handy excuse for ultron to keep croping up all over the place as people tinker away with it...
The infinity gems is combines with the Thanos video but it is more of an overview. As we get close to Guardians of The Galaxy, we will talk more about the Infinity Gems.
For Marvel Request Monday I'd like to see a video explaining Domino...especially her powers. I've read about them in her bio on Marvel.com, but I still find them confusing.
Tony stark is the creator of ultron and the "vision" in Avengers 2. Also Tony Stark is by far the smartest and most technologically sound, not only in marvel but all super hero universe!
your intro is one of the best I've seen on youtube!!! However the video is pretty lengthy and although it's informative and I guess, 'succinct' video, you speech is rather monotonous. But nonetheless, good job on the most part.
I think ultron might be a virus that infects the jarvas AI tony stark uses. That would touch base with the original but change it enough to be appealing to modern viewers and have ultron's story fit within the universe they have built. Maybe hank pimp created created a virus and somehow tony stark gets the ironman AI jarvas infected by it and the virus and jarvas merge to create ultron.
What do you personally think about the idea of Stark building Ultron instead of Pym in the new movie? I think its a sign of the Stark-centric attitude of the MCU but at the same time it references the time Ultron took over Stark's mind, and I wonder what will happen when Pym is introduced: will they have him comment on Ultron after the avengers or will they trigger Ultron's hate against Pym if he returns in another film?
