Mass Effect 2 Anderson and the Council 

Harbinger: "We have to do something about Shepard!" Reaper Councilor: "Ah Yes, 'Shepard', the elite Human Commander who came back from the dead and destroyed the Collector base in the Galactic Core, oh we have Dismissed the claim"

Proof the Council's stupidity: They believe the geth created Sovereign, and that Saren convinced the geth that Sovereign was a Reaper, who are like gods according to some geth. Do I need to explain why that's stupid?

Just blew through the game for the millionth time, and I can't believe I didn't catch this before: "Saren was an extremely charismatic individual [convinced the geth] that the Reapers were real!" How the FUCK does charisma work on ROBOTS? WTH is this?

Mass Effect 2 boils it down to two choices - Council lives or Council dies. If you let them die, the new Council won't even talk to you.

man, this makes me just want to keep the council alive for ME3 just so they can see how terribly blind they are

I remember being really excited to see the Council in Mass Effect 2 "I saved their lives and proved to them I was right, they are going to LOVE ME!" Then I got air-quoted... How embarrassing.

I figure there has to be something like to that to reward people with the pure raw patience to save them in the first game.

Ah yes ''Reapers.'' He's gonna get a right hook in ME3...

@elfel1991 if you choose to let the council die Anderson will be there, but the council you be replaced by another group who will not see you, if Anderson is the Councilor you get your Spectre status back, if Udina is the Councilor you cant

4:49, Anderson just sent Udina to his room, lmao!

My Shepard was a paragon, but at this part i could not resist saying "Take your spectre status and shove it up your ass!"

This is when I started saying to myself "I should of let those fuckers die!" if it wasn't for Anderson getting more power I would of let them die. GOD I LOVE THIS GAME!!! I love it when a game makes me feel like that but for all the rigth reasons

i'm surprised no one ever notices that Elcor (massive slow talking elephant thing) in the background that Anderson is watching... walks across the bridge as you start talking to him... then when you finish the same one walks across the bridge again...

@Fleabr But are they some thing that would be noticed, because the first races to arrive on the citadel must have noticed them. The Protheans did, they managed to prevent the keepers from opening the relay the second time. The way Virgil(that hologram on Ilos) talked about the keepers implied that the Protheans disrupted the communications between the Reapers and the keepers.

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One interesting thing I’ve noticed from going over the conversations with the Citadel Council in ME1 and now this one: the Asari Councilor never outright denies the existence of the Reapers. The closest she comes to a personal denial is “We believe you believe it.” And her comment about Saren being a charismatic person. She only alludes to a denial…after the Turian and Salarian Councilors deny the existence of the Reapers. All because of the Prothean beacon in the temple of Athane, and the knowledge within it.

3:38 first Miranda was right next to Shepard and the suddenly... Ive been drinking too much ;.; (btw, I left council die and chose Udina be council so I could bitch him)

Captian Anderson is the father we all wish we had. D:

Love the Elcor walk.

In my mass effect 1 Anderson join the council but in mass effect 3 Anderson stay in earth somebody help

Saving the council was a better choice since Anderson gets more things done when they're a live.

I always save the Council, I like to roleplay my Shepard as a huge Star Trek fan and so he/she's trying to interact with the other races as something approaching a Starfleet Officer would. Plus the save the Council cutscene is awesome IMO and it also gives humanity the moral high ground, saving the aliens who have done nothing but insult them and push them into conflicts with other races to keep us down for years as is the case with the Batarian's, and I always like to have Wrex and Ashley/Kaiden because then it almost always ends up with the highly ironic situation of the human arguing to save the aliens and the alien arguing for sacrificing them. Plus the Ascension is one of the most powerful friendly ships in known space with a crew of over 10,000, along with who knows how many civilians were evacuated from the Citadel, I can't bring myself to kill so many innocent people just to kill three politicians. Also, am I supposed to believe that the Geth fleet just disappears afterwards?

The guy who does the voice acting for Captain Anderson keeps popping up in games for some reason. He was Julius in the Saint's Row games and he was Sgt Foley in MW2.

Came here to see what happens if I would save Council in ME1... yep, not worth it, bunch of arrogant bureaucrats.

i never liked the council and i dont regret letting them die

lol at Miranda eyeraping Anderson.

Well at least this council showed up...unlike the new human council.

AH YES, "REAPERS"

Counselor Anderson: “I don’t answer to you Udina. Why don’t you go to your office an lad think about that for a while.” BURN!!!! God that’s almost, if not as satisfying as Anderson punching Udina back in ME1

I didn't know Anderson would get a fancy Councillor get-up. I guess Udina dresses for comfort, because he didn't change his outfit if he got promoted to Councilor.

Puts the moon walk to shame.

I could not believe that the council still don't believe shepard, they saw sovereign attact the citadel with there own eyes, what the fuck.

The best thing about this scene is that Councilor Anderson is always BA, and his new outfit looks awesome. I guess nice threads are one of the perks of being one of the four most powerful people in the galaxy.

This is my reward for saving the council!? Bah, next time I will let them die!

Do not fear the unknown. Fear what you know but refuse to acknowledge.

Ah yes, "Reapers"!

Ah yes "reapers" I love his qoute movements.

I'm not really sure, I think I was just saving the pretty and shiny big ship. That's all.

@AA25316 Yes, they are. As it is speculated they are probably a race that the Reapers modified(like the Protheans) so they would take care of the citadel, so that it is always functional for other races to use them, and you know the rest.

That bug needs to be fixed. 3:37

So vigil is dead! :(

I wish that Anderson was a little happier about being councilor.

Do think a few other ME2 playthroughs showing that scenario. Basically, it's Anderson talking to you, you never see the Council.

@Goatmon Furthermore, when Udina showed up, I straight-up told him No, I didn't just reject their offer, I shoved it down their fucking throats. And then smiled at him when he pissed himself.

@killed870 actually, no one beat anyone in that war. the Salarian and Asari Council members pwned the Turian and said there should be diplomatic action. it ended in a tie, since Humans lost one colony, but then took it back like 3 days later, which made the turians say "whoa, wtf?! we just got our assess kicked!"

0:54 What we all came here for

Did Miranda just disapear from the side of Shepard and apeared in the back of the room!?! D: Teleportation is a new tech power!? Seriously why were you hidding this from me Miranda!

I'm glad they are alive in my playthrough. So when the third game comes out I can pistol whip them and the tell the "Told you!!"

@LordBifford Actually, EDI Explains that if you talk to her/it in the beginning of the game. Parts of the Normandy II actually came from Sovereign.

I think that turian Council cmember has it in for Sheperd because humans beat the turians in the first contact war

Did anyone else here left the former Council alive?

Thanks for sharing, I wondered how it went if the Council'd been saved. Since the different dialog is already there for those who import original Mass Effect characters, they ought to have let new characters' players choose this detail of our past. Alas, I understand this is to enforce the notion that the default past is the only canon one and the only one that will pass on to the next sequel's storyline.

After beign shafted by the council at every major turn in ME1, only to cover their ass during the attack on the citadel, I was pretty pissed to get this reception. The guy who saved them despite being refused any significant help, and repeatedly cockblocked by their own stubborn blindness, which proved to be wrong over and over again, they insisted that Sovereign was just a ship and that Saren was behind the whole thing. My answer was SCREW YOU. Not like they were gonna help me out, anyway.

Wow...and to think I sacrificed human lives to save these fools -_-

@JMDub89 Well, they changed their minds ever after Shepard died

I cant wait for mass effect 3 and to see you councilors faces when the reapers arrive XD

no, the new council is formed by humans

Even though it hurts, it may be better to save the council so the Destiny Ascention can be used against the Reapers in ME3.

It's not a human council. It's basically just a new council with the same species with a human.

Fucking council. They were really starting to make me wish they'd died... until I thought a little on it. When that reporter you can SHEPARD PAWNCH confronts you about saving the Destiny Ascension, Shepard can ParagonPwn her by reciting exact statistics, including the fact that the Ascension had a crew of ten thousand. So it's not just leaving the Council to die, it's the entire crew of the Ascension.

@ReCell02 That's why its usually an added benefit if you played and had a saved file in the Fist Mass Effect.

i chose the "screw you" option on the Spectre

After watching the conversation between Shepard and the Three hypocritical councils makes me hope that in ME3 the councils die with the most painful, and regretting death from the reapers beyond Shepard's expectations from the reapers.

@ReCell02 If you buy the Genesis DLC, if gives you a little motion comic introduction, recapping the first game and giving you the chance to make all those decisions, like saving the rachni queen, saving Wrex, all that. But yeah, starting ME2 from scratch and having Udina as the councilor, Wrex dead, who knows what other crap, sucks.

@MalevolentMessiah I believe you choose the councilor when your on your way to meet the Illlusive man with Miranda and Jacob.

@kilox10001 If you didn't save them in the first game, I don't think you can talk to their replacements in the second.

You crack me up man! Best comment tonight!

Aha! Submit to Authority Udina! XD

@superbob1224 He's the smart/practical one. Asari is the compassionate, diplomatic one. Turian is the cynical, aggressive one.

wouldnt u guys think in the final game that anderson joins you and hes a bad ass that would be sweet....

Ha, Miranda.

Mass Effect 3 out in a month, time for a replay of the first two... I haven't decided what to do with the Council. I like the first game having a bittersweet ending, and some distrust between humans and aliens. On the other hand, the Council don't see particularly grateful, and really, three politicians aren't worth hundreds of other lives. Ah, decisions decisions.

They're the most powerful people in the entire galaxy. No matter how personally indebted they may be to Shepard they still have LOTS of other things to consider. Though the fact that they're so willing to discard the Reaper theory is just...weird. Especially for the Salarian... I don't blame them for not wanting to support Shepard, seeing as how he's working out in the Terminus Systems, and for Cerberus no less, but... yeah.

sheperds list of 5 peeps he dosent want to see 5.interveiwer 4.asari counciler 3.salarian counciler 2.turian counciler 1.ambassador motherfucking udina

He should have brought a recording device to Virmire and Ilos... :(

@Wolfsrain90 Erm, a big point of the series is that artificial intelligence is intelligence all the same... otherwise, they wouldn't have turned against the Quarians.

@jarpasmannen Dam politicians, i thought turians were warriors, maybe he failed in his childhood

So there isn't much of a change if i let them live or not but im still pissed i couldn't import my other choices.

I saved their asses as they witnessed an entire fleet work it's ass of taking out the biggest ship the Citadel Council has ever seen. And they still dismiss Shepard's claim. Hope BioWare puts an option of allowing the council to die.

they cant just deny it, the puzzle peices are all there, the still wonder where the keepers came from, the protheans couldnt have built all the mass relays and make the keepers, and saren is just a mortal, not god so there making him seem more of a high heircy then he is.

i'm with you on that lol.

Geez, think I'll replay the first game and let Saren wipe the Council out, serves them right.

The council admits it was the reapers at the end of mass effect 1, so this makes no sense.

Ah, I'm not sure. I hadn't really thought about it. Anderson is kind of just Anderson. He's not quite as vague and one-dimensional as the other council members. Though what you said works.

Do you see the human council if you let the oringinal council die but Anderson as the new leader?

i wonder how this chat would go with the council dead

@The1AmazinAsian It must be true, obviously

3.38 What the hell kind of walk is that !!!

the illusive man should replace udina

Claim dismissed

haha I actually "killed" them in my original playtrough of ME1. I didn't think that by simply choosing where the humans would help could actually kill them. Then after I ended i simply loaded the save and helped them. And since I didn't labeled my saves, when I imported them I didn't know which one it was.

i chose anderson as councilor in me1 but for some reasons the councilor is udina in my me2

@FinalNinja447 I don't believe so. You can still see them once you get Legion.

No, maybe you can't trust Cerberus.... But they're a hell of a lot better than the council.

I wonder if harbinger has to convince the reaper council that shepard and the normandy exist

Man these guys were idiots. I can't wait to see their reactions when the reapers finally invade

p.s nice armor i love black colors they are a very elegance

3:40 LOL CERBERUS SHUFFLE!

“Compelling and charismatic individual” sounds like the council is covering their asses on how complacent they became letting Saren do whatever he wanted until he got exposed for what he did in Eden prime, letting his schemes slip past them. They said stuff like this back in Mass effect 1, it was annoying. If only there was a renegade option to say this: Council: “He’s manipulating you. With his cunning mind” Shepard: “He sounds very certain of it and insists that the threat of the reapers is real. “Are you certain your not just trying to hide the fact that you were about to let him get away with Eden Prime so easily before I got the evidence?”

I edited my save game to have the council live and i almost screamed at my tv when they still didnt believe Shepard considering wut happnd when they didnt believe him in ME1