Mass Effect 2 - Zaeed's Loyalty (ALL 4 OUTCOMES Plus ME3 Consequences) 

Rage is a hell of an anesthetic

Imagine buying the Zaeed DLC back in the day and leaving him to die.

Had Zaeed been upfront about it and not so brazen in his "burn the whole thing down", the team easily could have eliminated Vido without endangering the workers. On the other hand, if Shepard had put in a call to the Normandy, it could have easily shot down Vido's shuttle as he's leaving.

That Paragon speech check is quite intimidating that it’s almost renegade level

Never realized how extremely similar this mission is to the conflict Anderson and Saren had prior to ME1.

The thing that always made me laugh about me3 is how the points are distributed for the war assets. Like Zaeed, a 50+ year old merc with a surly attitude, is worth 1/3 of the an entire Volus bombing fleet.

@3:40 Zaeed was so angry his mattock became full auto

Damn, using a spent thermal clip to ignite an oil slick. That's badass.

Krogan The myth: Fighting them is like fistfighting a tank. Reality: Armoured Krogan gets KO'd by an unarmed human in civilian clothes.

This channel is like the only Mass Effect channel that ACTUALLY shows choices made in the Mass Effect series that affect the later games!

Zaeed burning Vito alive is the most metal shit , I can't skip no matter if I'm Paragon

You know, one thing just occurred to me. If you complete Liara's DLC before doing Zaeed's mission and you do the Paragon route, you should be able to gain his loyalty by mentioning you know the Shadow Broker and that you can get her to help him track down Vito again once you complete the suicide mission. It would be a nice little detail.

I never had any of the DLC on 360 back in the day, I couldn’t afford it. Now with the Legendary Edition I get to see all this new content for the first time.

One other thing that you get if Zaeed survives in ME3: you'll eventually get a message saying he's requesting money/resources for a project regarding an old, obsolete rifle of his. Yes, *that* rifle. Play your cards right and he'll bring Jessie out of retirement. I personally can't think of a single war asset I clicked 'yes' on harder.

You forgot the upgrades you can get for your weapons in Mass Effect 2 during Zaeed's loyalty mission. Save the workers and you can upgrade your heavy weapon, kill Vido and you can upgrade your assault rifle.

Something I think could've been cool was having more squadmates gain alternative loyalty abilities depending on whether or not you complete it paragon or renegade, much like how Samara's mission gives you one of two powers based on if you help Samara or Morinth. Like here, you see Zaeed chuck his thermal clip into the oil to set Vido on fire during the renegade option, which can lead up to his inferno grenades, but then if you did the paragon path, he would get an entirely different power

Loved this character, but damn, if you do his mission too early and you're going paragon then he's completely unusable. The fact he’s dlc means you don’t get to have proper conversations with him at all, so no opportunity to regain his loyalty and no real chance to get to know his character or establish any sort of relationship. He’s just there. I have a similar issue with Kasumi. Also who waits until after the suicide mission to do a loyalty mission?

Good to know he gets Vido in the end.

Letting Zaeed kill Vido is one of my favorite cutscenes, and is also what made me like him as a character.

Just past this part on ME legendary edition, i agree that if zaeed have been open on what was the mission true objective ,he could have archieved revenge ,the best example is garrus loyalty mission

SHEPARD!! The secret outcome is quite brutal

I'm glad Vido got what was coming to him, even if you save the plant workers in ME2.

Zaeed is my favorite side kick of all the non regulars .... I think he was animated excellent at the time ME 2 came out and his voice actor God rest him well did a knock out job R.I.P Robin Sachs

I’m going to say it. He’s the most underrated character in the series.

I sacrificed the workers just so I could get the assault rifle upgrade 😂

Damn it, I’ve played Paragon this whole time and for this mission I went Renegade. ....I didn’t realize they were gonna make me listen to the screams of the burning workers 😭

There are times where ParaShep almost scares me more than ReneShep, gaining Zaeed's loyalty here is one, basically using an old man's trauma to make him shut up. and in the overlord DLC, where he tells Gavin Archer his pistol will be waiting for him if he goes after David

Best mass effect channel. You think of LITERALLY EVERYTHING

you cant believe how incredibly helpful this is!

I just cant wait for may 14th these videos are teasing me!

I can never understand why Shepard cant just order the Normandy to shoot down Vido's shuttle. Feels like a forced outcome by the devs rather than a natural consequence of your choice

I´m sure that there are other missions as complex as this one, but you have to appreciate the amount of though they put into every possible outcome. I don´t think we´ll ever get a universe as true and detailed as Mass Effect.

Even on my paragon characters I usually leave the workers to die, my reasoning is that Vito is a piece of shit and does this kind of thing all the time. If he's let go then he'll do way more damage to innocents than just the few workers at this factory.

I felt so bad seeing shepherd leave him to die here

Wait so Shepard just one taps the Krogan that killed Zaeed? C’mon man I though you were tougher than that.

Having a video where you show all outcomes and the consequences in 3? Thanks for the hard work man

Didn’t really care for Zaeed when I first meet him in ME2 but he sure grows on you... and love the Shore party DLC part 😁

I just let him kill vido cuz it gets things moving and secures his loyalty without any issues. The one renegade option I always pick.

I like how no one is mentioning how Shepard somehow managed to overpower a Krogan barefisted.

This is one of the few times I actually move onto the Renegade side.

Love your work Big Dan, I just played this mission for my first time and I wanted to see what else I could do. Thanks for the good Mass Effect content!

NGL, Zaeed just throwing his thermal clip instead of shooting the fuel pool is so much more badass.

I originally left him to die on my first play through as I did all the dlc after I finished the game. Didn’t realize that the option wasn’t available before the suicide mission.

The blowing up the shuttle port first was a nice touch lol. Zaeed is a merc that learns from past mistakes.

Here's why I always take the renegade route: -Assault rifle weapon upgrade (I mostly play as a soldier) -No need to worry about having enough paragon points. -Badass cutscene, the way Zaeed takes out Vido is like an action movie. -Vido is the leader of a major mercenary gang, taking him out would weaken the Blue Suns (similar to how killing Balak weakens the Baterians) sacrifice a few to save more. -I couldn't accept that Zaeed would be loyal after Shepard after just talking with him. 20 years is a long time for hatred to build up I doubt Zaeed could focus on the mission just because Shepard gave him a lecture. If it were me I would still be distracted and would secretly harbor resentment against Shepard. -Also Zaeed mentions that he’s only going along for the money, thats not loyalty, to really gain his loyalty Shepard needs to do something *for* him. Would it make sense to gain Samara’s loyalty if Morinth gets away? Or gain Miranda’s loyalty if her sister gets taken? The squad needs a clear head and to establish a relationship with Shepard and I felt this was the best way.

Imagine surviving a burning factory full of Blue Suns with flamethrowers and Mechs, metal debris falling on you, a suicide collector base mission with terrestrial weapons never seen before... only to die a weak ass death by the hand of some random krogan that has him bleed out.

RIP Robin Sachs.

Considering what an ass Din Korlack was to you in Mass Effect 1, I'd let Zaeed beat him senseless.

RIP Zaeeds VA.

I missed that line about Paragon Zaeed taking out Vido on his own before 3, thanks for that! Also you missed the funniest Zaeed part of Citadel - the Quiet Party where he and Garrus booby trap your entire apartment out of boredom 😁

love Zaeed. never understood why the normandy couldn't just shoot the shuttle down as it was leaving

Zaeed: what the hell you looking at? Batarian: nothing! Nothing

Zaeed was one of those characters who I always start off disliking, every playthrough. His egotistical confidence swagger peeves me off initially. But then we hear the stories, the citadel DLC banter, the "ill do it myself" attitude is tricking amazing. Zaeed is one of those characters that has great depth, start off hating, end up loving every time.

Must admit, his Loyalty Mission sure has parallels to David Anderson's and Saren Arterius' mission together. At least he has onscreen closure on the Renegade route. Vido's fate on the Paragon route come ME3 is unfortunately cut dialogue with Zaeed, (he was abducted by the Reaper forces' Harvesters, all while Zaeed and a team of his own making was supposed to take him out, no loose ends), but thankfully, the LE fixed this, as shown in 15:12. (Why isn't this listed on the ME Wiki's showcase of fixes in the LE though?)

Oh, I'm glad he got Vido in the end. I felt bad for letting him get away, but saving the miners comes first.

4:47 well that was an early teasar for Mass Effect Andromeda back in 2010 . Just look at the gun

Damn, the amount of people who let the workers die is...shocking. Like, this is not something like letting Garrus kill Sidonis. These are civilians getting burned to death just so one guy can get revenge. And who would not feel bad at all.

I’m happy that in the end Vito still gets what coming to him if you go paragon

Legends dont look back at explosions.

Like I said, Zaeed and Kasumi were the first 2 characters, I completed their loyalty missions. And since I had more than one bar Paragon Points (Even two bar Paragon Points, can't really recall), I was able to gain Zaeed's Loyalty.

Those poor workers screaming in the background if you leave them tho...

Hey I've got a question, what happened if you didn't go to the moon at ME1 , what will EDI say at ME3 ? is there any change? I know that usually she says she tried to kill shepherd , but if he sherd wasn't there ?

Oh no, Vido is getting away on a plane. If only we had some way to pursue him. Some kind of ludicrously fast flying vehicle. Maybe one with state of the art weapons and sensors and an illegal AI. Oh well. Back to the Normandy.

2:33 Badass scene though

When I did this mission I ended up saving the people trapped inside simply out of spite for Zaeed disobeying my command. My Shepherd, while slightly more renegade than paragon, she simply doesn't stand for defiant crew members. I then proceeded to never use him again.

If I had a choice after making Liara the new Shadow Broker and could do it, I would have put a good amount of Credits to give Zaeed Vido's location. I save the workers and pass the speech test every time, but in my eyes it's only good to make it right. Plus he would probably had plenty for his gun to fix Jessie to thirst for more blood after that, especially on Vido.

It is a sin to kill the angry grandpa

? I mostly played Paragon but when talking to Zaeed in ME3 he never brings up Vido, I even put a post talking about this. I have played through the game in both Paragon a Reneage runs multiple times and he never brought up the Vido dialogue in ME3 when I talk to him, it was always the renegade dialogue. Seriously I was quite shocked at hearing that dialogue at the end of this video...... also shows the value of waiting till the end of a video before you comment.......

I can't hear Zaeed without having Redcliff flashbacks. Robin Sachs had a wonderful voice.

I fucking hated this mission on Full Paragon playthroughs, I always had to save it for dead last in order to stay on paragon choices and still get his loyalty.

There's also Assault Rifle Upgrade(Renegade) VS Heavy Weapon Ammo(Paragon) to consider. Personally, even though I'm usually Paragon, I'd go for the Assault Rifle.

I never got the dialogue on Vido in Mass Effect 3? I thought it was cut?

What happens when you kill the boss of the blue sons before recruiting archangel?

Always rollin w Zaeed in the party.

Zaeed's VA is the best.

Do you remember how many Paragon points you had when you did the Paragon run through of this mission? Or rather, does anyone know if there is a minimum amount of Paragon to get that dialogue option at the end? I'm playing the game again but still very early on and playing primarily as Renegade so I've got almost nothing for Paragon points(less than half a bar). Will that be enough to get that dialogue option if I choose all Paragon options during that mission?

I need to do a paragon playthrough one day... but I personally would be a renegade and so I play as one. People aren't worth going out of the way to save - this is true in real life and in games.

I know leaving the workers to die is sort of fd up, but I feel like in the long run taking vido out is the best choice

"you mind Zaeed?" internally *bwahaha*

Inferno Grenade is my favorite special ability.

I don't know which option sounds like the best. I mean given the story of Mass Effect 2 the idea of someone being too crazy to take on the suicide mission is appealing in a role play perspective, but then again I can't resist those juicy war assets in Mass Effect 3.

SHEPARD!!!

There’s not enough galaxy for my Shepard and Zaeed. I was waiting for any chance to kill him off.

It’s interesting how Din Corlack doesn’t seem to remember meeting you in ME1. He’s the volus ambassador that you can have a small conversation with. Doesn’t seem to recall talking to Shepard for some reason?

Love how Zaeed casually shoots through a gunship's shields, armor and the personal shield and armor of a merc, killing him

Can someone tell me how much paragon points you have to get the paragon speech after Vido left?

I have the legendary edition & it my game crashes every time I try to go the renegade route

im thinking what if something change if there is samara as a second follower during the mission and you chose the renegade option leaving innocents to die, samara is a justicar, did anyone try it?

Does anybody know how much I need for the Paragon speech check? I can't seem to find it anywhere that'll give me a straight answer

*Zaed dying* "Helluva fight" Sheppard *Gently pushes the Krogan over*

Zaeed gets a lot of hate for some reason, but he's actually one of my favorite characters in the whole trilogy. Maybe because I play as an Earthborn Shep, and even though she mostly goes Paragon, still has that rebel streak in her. Zaeed is like a father to her in some ways, her renegade father (because Paragon Dad will always be Anderson). I just love hearing Zaeed's stories, and his voice acting is excellent. RIP, Mr. Sachs.

i always take the renegade path with this mission

The morality system in 3 is so good, it allows you to have so much fun with choices.

Is it just me or did a lot of ppl get the legendary addition and now their being a regenade or am I alone there?

4:49 Shepard is holding the gun backwards lol

3:44 I always give Zaeed a Mattock too, despite the fact it's not an automatic. He goes full-Sicario.

Zaeed has the fastest trigger finger for a semi auto

I didn't think twice about leaving the factory workers, the mission was to gain Zaeed's loyalty and I wasn't about to put that a risk for some randoms that I knew he didn't care about

The choice of leaving Zaeed to die has so much of that "leave the bad guy to die alone" cliche found in Hollywood scripts, but Bioware pulled off the Hollywood feel so well in Mass Effect 2 that it honestly felt like I was watching a TV series while playing this game.

I find it kinda badass how shepherd will just dispatch the mercs if zaheed died, like he is unarmed and unarmored but still takes out a human and a krogan