Mass Effect 3 Quarian and Geth Peace 

Edi would also take note of that in a later dialogue

Yes, EDI has a dialogue for that

Just noticed that!

He also referred to Tali as "Tali" instead of "Creator Tali'Zorah." In his last moments, he saw her as a friend instead of just a "creator".

lol

Or just swipe the beam sideways, so that we couldn't dodge.

they all are too dumb to live :) giant electronic prawns "beyound our comprehension"

As big and powerful as it is I'm pretty sure it was too damaged and too far away to do anything.

Lol same

I actually stopped playing ME3 when I found out I couldn't do this. I later got a copy of ME2 so I could force this.

@@NightOwl1515 You did yourself a favor buying Mass Effect 2 for more than just saving the Quarians and Geth.

@@kylefunderburk4194 Mass Effect 2 was in my opinion the best Mass Effect

Well the status quo was a bunch of horror space sea monsters enslaving the galaxy, not exacly the best status quo

It's paradoxical.

I'm not crying ! Someone forgot their Bowl of onions here !

We are crying

We both are

I know. Keelah se'lai.

Ruggero Maricchiolo well I bet you are sad now

MrEnderking2013 In all honesty, its not the lack of character creator options that makes me sad...

There is a Quarian Ark DLC being made, so there is a chance we will see the Geth return and could maybe be used in Multiplayer the least.

Honey Badger I’m pretty sure that’s now cancelled

I'm pretty sure the game is dead...and maybe the franchise too...in the meantime...

I know it sucks when something like that happens

+Karmagician Tali has to not be in exile in ME2 and it helps if the heretic base is destroyed. There is a point system that is not entirely paragon or renegade.

*acknowledgement this is super old* Yeah, there are certain choices that are important for this event, and each gives a certain number of 'points'. You need a certain total of points in order to choose the peaceful option.

@@jackiechan715 is there a glitch. I did everything I was supposed to do and it didn't give me the option. I do have only 4 bars of rep though

Taylor Stiles You need at least five.

The original ending was leaked months before launch, EA forced them to rewrite a new ending, it was rushed and we all saw the result. This is what tore the dev team apart and caused a mass exodus. They had plans for more Shepploo games but they gave EA the finger. Hence we have Andromeda. Its not terrible but it will never be the masterpiece ME 2 was.

I'm gonna have to disagree on that statement about the ending. How long will this peace last? 300 years they couldn't get along but 5 minutes of peace completely proves the reapers wrong? I don't buy that logic. And since the reaper have been around for millions, if not roughly 1 billion years, seeing one race establish peace at the last minute proves nothing, like a glitch in the system that's uncommon and easily goes back to normal. It's easy to focus on the here-and-now but you have to look a little further than that.

@@ShockBlast-mw3td and we know this universe for a five years, 100+ hours of playing and in the last five minutes some space child just told us "sintetic will always kill organic". Nice try but i will never believe in that. Trough all 3 games i see as reapers wants to kill us all, not "some sint", but exactly a reapers.

Bioware fucked up tremendously with ME3 ending.. And now newer generations will experience the same shitty ending when they play the "remastered" version.

Leviathan did say that this cycle was different.

Legion is one of the best. Love mass effect

"has to be me, someone might getting it wrong" "Shepard-commander I..... Must go to them..... It's the only way" "meet you at the Shore Thane" "you did good son..... You make me proud"

a man of culture

Their sacrifices will never be forgotten.

Atticus The Gaming Llama Oh my god I thought of that line as soon as I saw the 'target the reaper' text

Commander Shepard: I'm a leaf on the wind.

Huh, fancy seeing you here. LOL

You need to work on it sinc episode 2 to unlock this

Yeah plus you need 5 points which can be gained from the following: +2 if Tali is exonerated +2 if heretics are destroyed instead of rewritten +1 if you break up fight between Tali and Legion +1 For completing admiral mission +1 for actually saving the admiral

You can't do this without Legion. So you need an ME2 save where neither he/Tali are dead, plus a whole other bunch of factors. This is probably the hardest outcome to get in the series. It's actually pretty dope because making peace between the Geath and Quarian should be near impossible. Shepard does with the power o FRIENDSHIP, what a beast.

Romaander I do believe that is “Vigil” from ME1 playing over Legion’s death

are you daft it's a great end to his character arc

Yea Geth option: he dies to free the Geth Quarian option: goes insane and attempts to kill you Peace option: same things as Geth but everyone else lives

Yeah, but so is the ending of the game even with the DLC additions... It still infuriates me that there's no way to destroy the Reapers, triumph in the current Cycle AND keep the Geth and EDI alive; that the writers were so determined to have a big-reveal "twist" ending at the end, they seemed to think they needed to give us a scenario where there IS no "best option" - and I don't count the Perfect Destroy ending as that either, because it still implies that the geth and EDI are sacrificed; between saving them with Shepard dying or sparing Shepard in exchange, my personal principles CANNOT allow me to pick one person over the greater many... If the writers wanted us to buy the codswallop that peace between artificial and organic life cannot be obtained without the Control or *shudder* the Symbiosis ending, then they shouldn't have made peace between the quarians and geth even POSSIBLE - by doing so, then intentionally or not they shot their own message in the spine, punched it in the gut hard enough to draw blood, cut its eyes, ears and tongue out, and then dragged it through the mud by the legs... Honestly, you'd think the people who realised that Virmire needed a sacrifice - either Ashley or Kaidan, no two ways about it - would have realised that pushing so many third options later in the series would backfire when they tried to railroad the players at the last minute. They KNEW that making it possible to save both of them would make the possibility of playing on further games with EITHER sacrifice redundant (that's why they scrapped older plans to do so), so WHY didn't they realise that making us able to openly DEFY the ideal that peace isn't possible as seen here, would make ANYONE willing to save both races want to destroy one of them, even to kill the Reapers? Bah... Even now, I can't actually play the games myself (I've watched them on videos) because not even the Mod endings truly satisfy me (the best one just cuts the Catalyst and Shepard's death out, which I can understand). However, if we can assume that the DLC Refuse Ending means that the Reapers are defeated without any of the races being wiped out completely then that's the closest to an ending I'd ever pick. If I knew how to Mod, though, I'd make an ending where Shepard dies to destroy the Reapers and ONLY the Reapers, and his/her sacrifice brings genuine peace to the galaxy at last, breaking the cycle... THAT would be my perfect ending; one which wouldn't weaken the theme of sacrifice for victory, but wouldn't force any player to compromise their morals. And if anyone tries to tell me to pick Synthesis - go f*** yourself, you-you... you free-will-stealing, defeatist hypocrite!

Well, Tali ends up committing suicide during the Geth Option, though.

That's a whole theme throughout the game, and I've never had a problem with it : you can't save everyone. Everything must come at a cost. I actually love the fact that whatever happens, Legion dies anyway. He's the only squadmate to be doomed like that. Not even Mordin, not even fucking Thane. It gives his character depth. As for the impossibility of a 100% happy ending, it was obvious from the start. I mean, it's good enough that we can even NEGOTIATE with the Reapers, as it is impossible to defeat them with raw force. Obviously, if only one choice was to be given to you, the game would lose the sense of freedom that it bases itself upon. That's why they had to nuance all three endings and have each of them get their own drawbacks : the potential corruption of Control, the eerieness of Synthesis and how immortality will end up overcrowding the galaxy, and the loss of any AI in the Destroy ending. Still hate the fact that almost none of our choices are really shown mattering in the ending parts of the game...

OronkonPhoenix There's also the fact that in the first game, when you play through Virmire, there is NO third option; you cannot save both Ashley and Kaiden, you have to choose which of them you can save at ALL because there's just no time to save them both... Hammered in further by the fact that there's unused recordings which show a third option was considered by the development team, but discarded - they realised that if there were any way to save them both (New Game+ or what have you) it would make the choice moot and nobody would want to play ME2 with either of them dead; this isn't like the suicide mission where the outcome (including who lives and who dies) is determined by player skill, ingenuity and the like, Virmire is a simple "X or Y" which doesn't have major repercussions to the overall plot but nonetheless tells the player that a perfect victory is simply... a theme which carries over from ME1 to ME3. Regardless, it's hard not to see why people felt gipped with the endgame choice - especially since Casey Hudson and co went on and on about how the final ending would NOT be down to 2 or 3 irrefutable choices, it's easy to feel let down when they did just that, especially in the non-DLC version of the game. Even now, people aren't satisfied completely, and while for some of them that's because we can't get an indisputable "happy ending", there's also a large grey area in the fandom - like the fact that if you choose to "Refuse" the only outcome is a short clip showing Liara talk about how they lost and such (the AngryJoeShow criticised this for not letting us use all our resources in a final stand against the Reapers, even if the outcome was futile, to give at least an impression that getting all those items counts...) For my part, I never took umbrage with Shepard dying - I understand and accept it, so even if I'd rather s/he didn't perish I understand the thematic aspect of it deeply. But... the "perfect" ending (where Shepard dies) still has the Geth and EDI all dying, which renders any efforts to make the Quarian/Geth peace moot; more importantly, it spits in the face of letting the player find a world where organics and synthetics CAN live in peace, and intentionally or not reinforces the idea that the Reapers' half-baked ideology is RIGHT - not grey, but outright CORRECT, because you aren't given the option to refute them at all, and THAT also makes Shepard surviving less "happy" than it should be because such a scenario and Shepard's (unavoidable) reaction to it makes death feel like a welcome gift rather than a sacrifice. My ideal ending? Destroy the Reapers, but ONLY the Reapers, through Shepard sacrificing their life - by which I mean, that it's not just Shepard being a casualty, but that the only option which utterly refutes the Reaper's insane ideology is that by giving his/her life, Shepard somehow finds a way to avoid destroying the other synthetics while still removing the Reapers forever... Such an ending would have kept the theme of sacrifice, shown the strength of choice, been unlockable only in a particular situation (like the Geth-Quarian peace and the higher score, etc.) and not made a hash of the game's themes. But since that isn't possible, as the game stands I'll go for "Refuse" every time - no matter how anti-climactic it is, it's still the only ending where you can outright defy the Reapers instead of sacrifice your morals, and at least Liara's old recording reveals that the next cycle was able to defeat the Reapers for good thanks to the information Shepard and their friends left for the Galaxy... I'd rather find some way to properly subvert the Reapers and stick it to the Star Child (ie: not the famous MOD ending, no matter how delightfully happy it is, because it abandons disliked plot points rather than makes them done RIGHT), but I'll take what I can get that doesn't require giving the Reapers what they want - telling them that they're right, and that whateever compromise option they offer is the only way. Because it's NOT.

them have not fear