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@OutlierTrading
@OutlierTrading 4 месяца назад
Looks like we're seeing IV settle around 279.55% indicating an expansion over the current platform expected move. Based on a 279.55% IV with 5DTE and stock at $28.7 that yields a range of +/-$9.39.
@phtephenjumptoconclusionsq3504
@phtephenjumptoconclusionsq3504 4 месяца назад
Roaring Kitty did exercise some and cash settled the rest. He increased his position by 4 million shares on thursday and then options settle T+1 BUT its really T+2 because options market maker can wait until the market open on T+2 to actually deliver. So T+1 (really T+2) would be exercised on thursday (T+0) then friday is T+1) and then monday morning market open is still T+1 (by how the rules are defined ) which is really T+2 = mandatory delivery. Hence why options IV is increasing because market is pricing in the delivery of the 4 million shares into Roaring Kitty's account.
@OutlierTrading
@OutlierTrading 4 месяца назад
@@phtephenjumptoconclusionsq3504 he might’ve! There’s no way to actually tell if he exercised or not, actually did an entire video diving into that. Roaring Kitty GME Options Update ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-YtZRjmZm8xY.html
@TheSuperDynastyy
@TheSuperDynastyy 4 месяца назад
@@OutlierTrading I heard this as well, 9 dollar move, however, it could be more if the current keeps moving like it is.
@OutlierTrading
@OutlierTrading 4 месяца назад
Absolutely- we’ll see as it gets closer to the open.
@TheSuperDynastyy
@TheSuperDynastyy 4 месяца назад
@@OutlierTrading puts us at 38
@t.j.mcnelis3999
@t.j.mcnelis3999 4 месяца назад
IMO option market is pricing in FTD data being released monday morning. The powers that set iv option pricing likely already know the data is going to have a high amount of FTDs. Spoiler alert, price could go boom
@OutlierTrading
@OutlierTrading 4 месяца назад
that's a really good assumption - i haven't see how extreme FTDs have gotten over the weekend, is it a massive imbalance?
@TheSuperDynastyy
@TheSuperDynastyy 4 месяца назад
@@OutlierTrading 8 digits yes
@plm2612
@plm2612 4 месяца назад
Thank you for being one of the very few RU-vidrs who actually share valuable information about the stock market.
@OutlierTrading
@OutlierTrading 4 месяца назад
I appreciate that! I love checking out markets : )
@remmybux
@remmybux 4 месяца назад
Implied volatility is now at 661% for the $125C 6/21 up 400% since this video was posted
@OutlierTrading
@OutlierTrading 4 месяца назад
OTMs are moving!
@remmybux
@remmybux 4 месяца назад
@@OutlierTrading619% now since I’ve said this, it’s very volatile
@dominicbalcazar7703
@dominicbalcazar7703 4 месяца назад
Is that good or bad?
@Matt-jc2ml
@Matt-jc2ml 4 месяца назад
​@@dominicbalcazar7703bro this isn't a Disney movie, there's no good or bad
@OutlierTrading
@OutlierTrading 4 месяца назад
@dominicbalcazar7703 neither inherently. Simply means the market is expecting a wider price range.
@zigggy780
@zigggy780 4 месяца назад
Market is definitely assuming a higher move. Let's see how high!!!😮
@chrisw7188
@chrisw7188 4 месяца назад
50 by open, 3000 by noon and 25 by close ;D
@KrispyDev
@KrispyDev 4 месяца назад
@@chrisw7188 thats a joke right?
@Rave0815
@Rave0815 4 месяца назад
😂so you mean we should TP ist at 1000 and buy at lower 30?😅
@007D3VIN
@007D3VIN 4 месяца назад
​@@chrisw7188😂😂😂
@chrisw7188
@chrisw7188 4 месяца назад
@@KrispyDev you’ll see ;)
@chakuseki
@chakuseki 4 месяца назад
Thanks for teaching everyone about options!
@OutlierTrading
@OutlierTrading 4 месяца назад
Any time!
@albertosara416
@albertosara416 4 месяца назад
Thank you for all the explanations and teaching about options!
@OutlierTrading
@OutlierTrading 4 месяца назад
you know it! happy to share as much as i possible can :)
@tannerjohnson145
@tannerjohnson145 4 месяца назад
Great video. Amazing informative and exactly what the vast majority of the Superstonk community needs
@OutlierTrading
@OutlierTrading 4 месяца назад
Glad it was helpful!
@7Lifeline
@7Lifeline 4 месяца назад
Hey do u do one on one classes for options? Love your teaching style
@OutlierTrading
@OutlierTrading 4 месяца назад
hey man - i have a patreon you can check out if you'd like, but i try to share as much as i can on here for free. link is in the video description!
@johnnydigs3002
@johnnydigs3002 4 месяца назад
Thanks for everything you are doing. The lessons are great people are learning so much.
@OutlierTrading
@OutlierTrading 4 месяца назад
Absolutely awesome to hear - exactly what i'm hoping to help with : )
@quantummechanic189
@quantummechanic189 4 месяца назад
IV appears to be up near 600% now
@robmesserli2372
@robmesserli2372 4 месяца назад
Great video, had a question pop in my head while watching. Is there any historical data around prior shareholder meetings that would indicate whether this kind of action has happened before on GME or if it is exclusive to this year?
@OutlierTrading
@OutlierTrading 4 месяца назад
Definitely could align previous shareholder meeting dates against stock behavior and assess the relationship - it's not anything I've done recently.
@Zinctwentyone
@Zinctwentyone 4 месяца назад
Thank you for this. I am new with options, not a big gambler. I just like to mess around with a grand or so, so ive been buying out of the money options and so far have lost a couple of them. I have 3 right now, one with AMC 20 calls a couple months out, two with GME jan 25 and 1 with PANW at 420.00 lol so not great so far.
@OutlierTrading
@OutlierTrading 4 месяца назад
haha yep - falling into the exact trap unfortunate. at least know you know some other alternatives!
@cryptato8563
@cryptato8563 4 месяца назад
Apologies for the super noob question, but what is the software you're using? The software for viewing the options chain. Thanks again! Great content!
@OutlierTrading
@OutlierTrading 4 месяца назад
totally cool! this is thinkorswim
@antoniogibson7510
@antoniogibson7510 4 месяца назад
Isn't IV supposed to rise over the weekend because it's a measure of expected volatility?
@OutlierTrading
@OutlierTrading 4 месяца назад
IV can (and does) move over the weekend for different reasons, but the market is pretty good at pricing weekends. if we knew IV rose over each weekend while markets are closed, there'd actually be an arb opportunity there. The primary cases we'd see a meaningful move of IV over a weekend would be is there was a massive change in vol expectation - aka if a war started (which would be systemic) or if the CEO of a company did something absolutely wild (which would be non-systemic). In this case, it seems to be a bit of a multi-factor scenario. I see oscillation from there being super high IV with a big week anticipated ahead. I'm assuming the platform hasn't updated the EM calculation, it should be around $9 by now.
@Dr-dikhead
@Dr-dikhead 4 месяца назад
I think everyone in the comments are putting on too thick of rose colored glasses. Remember this high IV doesn't mean "it will go up" it means the stock is expected to move MASSIVELY. We just diluted our shares by a lot and had a huge call option chain dry up. Situations like this are why buying shares in the long run can be more important than options. Expect to buy the dip Monday, and if its green great, you have shares. Dont get greedy guys.
@florian367
@florian367 4 месяца назад
Great video. Small information : you can exercise moneyless.
@OutlierTrading
@OutlierTrading 4 месяца назад
yep! i've reviewed the cashless exercise prospects for the trade in a previous video. my best assessment still is option sale then share purchase but there's no definitive way to tell. doesn't really impact anything anyways with the move to T+1
@Bingoslyfish
@Bingoslyfish 4 месяца назад
I bought 5 contracts(0.46) of ADBE way OTM the day of ER, it went up 75$ O.N -26%iv- doubled my money but got greedy and still holding ... drum roll please
@rahultalanki1109
@rahultalanki1109 4 месяца назад
hii, by which method those iv's are calculated any idea?
@OutlierTrading
@OutlierTrading 4 месяца назад
These are implied iv, which are implied (derived) from options prices within the expiration cycle - essentially using the market consensus.
@chuckg3517
@chuckg3517 4 месяца назад
Could’ve exercised ?? Is this video a week behind? It was already reported he did exercise. Sold 80K of those calls. Exercised 40K. Purchased and held another 4M shares. So he’s sitting at 9M now. Or am I missing something??
@OutlierTrading
@OutlierTrading 4 месяца назад
Nope! shot this one this AM. the fact is we don't actually know and cannot confirm if he exercised or not. we know he has 9M shares. but how he got there is unclear: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6CGcvPIONZs.html there are pros and cons to both exercising and selling the options and buying the shares, in general effect it's negligible with T+1 for both scenarios.
@chuckg3517
@chuckg3517 4 месяца назад
@@OutlierTrading ah ok… makes more sense now.
@keungcheng6981
@keungcheng6981 4 месяца назад
$40 tomorrow, I don’t want to hear shix
@TheSuperDynastyy
@TheSuperDynastyy 4 месяца назад
this would be ideal
@parismcdonald1816
@parismcdonald1816 4 месяца назад
😂 💯
@soryouedraogo5840
@soryouedraogo5840 4 месяца назад
Roaring kitty also post about options 101. I think you in the right track. What is your price prediction ?
@jasondillon2567
@jasondillon2567 4 месяца назад
I think it's unlikely that he exercised considering that his cost-basis went UP, even though the 20-strike calls were below his previous cost-basis.
@OutlierTrading
@OutlierTrading 4 месяца назад
it would've been strike + premium in the platform most likely, so it technically would've raised the basis but i still don't think it explains it. here's a video diving deep into the exit scenarios: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-YtZRjmZm8xY.html
@jasondillon2567
@jasondillon2567 4 месяца назад
@@OutlierTrading I appreciate the reply and the explanation, thank you!
@joecooltrader
@joecooltrader 4 месяца назад
My experience trading options is that when the market is expecting a rally, the opposite happens. Also, there's no intrinsic value for OTM options.
@OutlierTrading
@OutlierTrading 4 месяца назад
haha options are actually fairly predictive, lots of research out there on em
@jasonkretzer9642
@jasonkretzer9642 4 месяца назад
I just learned so much about delta and theta that I was lost on. Thank you sir!
@OutlierTrading
@OutlierTrading 4 месяца назад
Glad it helped!
@jasonkretzer9642
@jasonkretzer9642 4 месяца назад
So it makes sense Kitty did something with his calls last week because Theta burn woulda been massive next week, is that right?
@OutlierTrading
@OutlierTrading 4 месяца назад
@@jasonkretzer9642 hey man, great question. So his options were actually pretty deep ITM, so the theta decay wouldn’t have been terrible IF they stayed really far ITM. If GME started moving against him, he could start losing a ton of money due to theta. The main reason I see for the exit was mostly for liquidity, I’m sure theta decay was part of the equation as well.
@jasonkretzer9642
@jasonkretzer9642 4 месяца назад
Thanks again! You’re the man! 🫡
@OutlierTrading
@OutlierTrading 4 месяца назад
Right on, welcome to the Outlier community!
@quaksha
@quaksha 4 месяца назад
What software you using?
@OutlierTrading
@OutlierTrading 4 месяца назад
this is thinkorswim!
@jaysjaysjays588
@jaysjaysjays588 4 месяца назад
Wasnt it much higher earlier?
@OutlierTrading
@OutlierTrading 4 месяца назад
yep, few weeks a go it was massively high, then cratered, and then started expanding again meaningfully.
@jaysjaysjays588
@jaysjaysjays588 4 месяца назад
@@OutlierTrading yeah and now gme dumping to 20$
@CbrF4i600cc
@CbrF4i600cc 4 месяца назад
Calls better then just owning shares?
@OutlierTrading
@OutlierTrading 4 месяца назад
not inherently better, no. they provide leverage, but suffer theta decay and eventually expire, so they have different risk profiles.
@chrisw7188
@chrisw7188 4 месяца назад
what trading platform do you use?
@OutlierTrading
@OutlierTrading 4 месяца назад
hey, this is thinkorswim!
@chrisw7188
@chrisw7188 4 месяца назад
@@OutlierTrading ah ok, looks pretty advanced! do they integrate the full tradingview suite for charting or is it a more basic version like in "Advanced Dashboard" (another TD product)? 15:34 is the theta decay curve fairly universal or specific to every ticker?
@OutlierTrading
@OutlierTrading 4 месяца назад
thinkorswim has it's own charting interface. as far as decay, the concepts are universal, the precise values and whatnot are unique to the individual ticker.
@chrisw7188
@chrisw7188 4 месяца назад
@@OutlierTrading thanks!
@justincase2248
@justincase2248 4 месяца назад
The KITTY showed screenshot. He did sell, and exercise options position. He owns 9,001,000 shares now.
@OutlierTrading
@OutlierTrading 4 месяца назад
Can't really determine that. My guess is he sold the options and bought the shares. But you're absolutely right, he does have 9M shares.
@abeldeleon5210
@abeldeleon5210 4 месяца назад
Subscribed bro.
@OutlierTrading
@OutlierTrading 4 месяца назад
right on, welcome to the Outlier community!
@BenP-ue5zn
@BenP-ue5zn 4 месяца назад
The meeting being rescheduled just 3 days ago: I wonder what the chain looked like just prior to its reschedule versus today on both the original meeting date and this week. Curious whether an existing trend simply shifted 3 days or if it existed prior to the meeting, and now it’s coincidental.
@OutlierTrading
@OutlierTrading 4 месяца назад
have you seen them shift the meeting before like this? i don't have the same history with the ticker.
@BenP-ue5zn
@BenP-ue5zn 4 месяца назад
First time if my memory is good (it’s not). I’m having a hard time coming up with any scheduled shareholder meeting being rescheduled the day of, let alone GameStop.
@BenP-ue5zn
@BenP-ue5zn 4 месяца назад
My tinfoil hat suggests the CEO, Ryan Cohen, has a history of insider buys that coincide with the meeting. If my memory works, again it’s iffy, he only buys once a year versus other board members who have bought on the quarterly interval. I would guess he has a prearranged plan - his role as investment chair or whatever likely locks him out of voluntary buys. I wonder if the chain expected that, given the meeting would have been completed.
@BenP-ue5zn
@BenP-ue5zn 4 месяца назад
I did go check: he has only made single annual purchases the last 2 years: last year at same annual meeting, prior was not the annual meeting - the quarter prior. “good news” tends to get filed on Mondays - I would guess that’s the source of anomaly by speculators.
@Entremanures
@Entremanures 4 месяца назад
a lot hinges on this shareholder meeting and the events leading up to it. i can completely see the data reflecting that. i do not see the same sentiment on forum boards which is weird.
@ronaldwilliams4053
@ronaldwilliams4053 4 месяца назад
It’ll open at 32$ or 40$they market cap went back up wasn’t it at 7b friday
@Francezu-ng7qn
@Francezu-ng7qn 4 месяца назад
Hmm...Few weeks ago the IV was at 800%. Those 200-300% are rookie numbers
@OutlierTrading
@OutlierTrading 4 месяца назад
yeah it's been interesting - it was wildly high, collapsed, and started expanding again.
@zo9fg
@zo9fg 4 месяца назад
IV high for gme means when this IV gets crushed, massive dump by market manipulators
@chillbillch
@chillbillch 4 месяца назад
They're anticipating Keith Gill joining the GME Board
@jasonnielsen4295
@jasonnielsen4295 4 месяца назад
Realistic price for tomorrow? Not financial advice
@richardjennings7050
@richardjennings7050 4 месяца назад
Good explanation; tomorrow could be wild. It is take your 🐈‍⬛ to work day!
@OutlierTrading
@OutlierTrading 4 месяца назад
haha i'm so looking forward to how things play out
@ProstoWow4ik
@ProstoWow4ik 4 месяца назад
Europe is also rising on Sunday!
@thesikx4364
@thesikx4364 4 месяца назад
he watched nearly a billion dollars vanish.. he wasn't interested in selling for profit. he exercised.
@OutlierTrading
@OutlierTrading 4 месяца назад
i think he sold the options, and then bought stock off the market.
@RecoveredPennychaser
@RecoveredPennychaser 4 месяца назад
I see another Huge rug pull.
@BigcountryReactions
@BigcountryReactions 4 месяца назад
That’s cause you are dumb and blind
@JosueRodriguez-li5zs
@JosueRodriguez-li5zs 4 месяца назад
Hey, I'm from SD, too. We should go for a beer one of these days!
@OutlierTrading
@OutlierTrading 4 месяца назад
right on!
@TOneThousand1991
@TOneThousand1991 4 месяца назад
Holding forever IDGAF
@TheZooman22
@TheZooman22 4 месяца назад
I think it is well-known that he sold and exercised his options.
@OutlierTrading
@OutlierTrading 4 месяца назад
It's actually impossible for anyone to tell definitively what happened. he absolutely could've exercised some. he could've sold. he could've done both. there's not way for us to know with certainty. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-YtZRjmZm8xY.html
@SHORT-FRIDAYS
@SHORT-FRIDAYS 4 месяца назад
I bought $234,000 of $45 strike Calls expiring 6/21/24 like Kitty did and he done sold all his damn calls last week; what the hell cat?
@michaeldiambrosio9800
@michaeldiambrosio9800 4 месяца назад
Lol nice degenerate play.
@ricardocisneros2606
@ricardocisneros2606 4 месяца назад
He played games with the market and got burned. You have that much of advantage don’t tell no one just take your shot. It would have helped everyone and then everyone would have found out afterwards.
@OutlierTrading
@OutlierTrading 4 месяца назад
He hasn't really gotten burned lol he has 9,001,000 shares below the current fair market value - he's up money lol.
@brandonc2859
@brandonc2859 4 месяца назад
Kitty posted he closed his options he now has 9 million stock, congratulations he turned 1 billion into 90 million
@OutlierTrading
@OutlierTrading 4 месяца назад
How many million do you have? I'm still trying to get to double digit millions myself so I've no leg to stand on in assessing his decisions lol.
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