Master Bus Clipping - Into The Lair  

Yeah, The Lavry Blue's Soft Sat is what the Crisp mode is based on

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I totally agree, standard CLIP is awesome. So much flexibility, it's real bang for buck.

Is Lara Mercy he has 5000 plugins and only 500 favs

Strat Cat Same. I find that MB clipping seems to work better before the master buss compressor than after it. I guess the lower the dynamic range, the more of an effect you get to neighboring frequencies. Not sure and I'm sure it depends on the quality of the plugin. I am going to have to try the last one he demoed. I'm always a fan of multiband.

Then they hear your absolutely slamming mixes and shut up ;) that plugin is gold

it's an honor system. It's so good, its worth buying. I finally did after a good while of using it.

@@Ottomastering doesnt work on m1 i forgot this pugin existed

@@waynepayne864 works for Me on m1

for reallll lol

Exactly what I’m saying

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Facts lol

Exactly

Ave Mcree right tho!

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Just subscribed to your channel and went through a couple vid that came up through suggestions. Now I'm seeing you on Pensado's channel :)

Yeah just started using it myself.

I like it but its not as good as others I've used. not as crunchy as I like my soft clippers

@@ecklectic3126 Can you recommend some others?

@@ecklectic3126 like which others?

This cracked me up 😂😂

It this fr? How about g clip vs fruity clip?

crap comparing to KClip, the problem is the attack in the Glue, it is not fast enough to catch ISP and transients, that's why on the master bus you can't use it for the purpose that Dave showed.

Junk Action I use it all the time on master buss and my tracks sound fine on radio and digital streaming.

nah man, especially on the master you shouldn’t use it. it only has 2x oversampling if you enable it and that’s not enough to prevent aliasing; you’ll still get a SHIT ton of it. Look at kclip or standardclip, which have up to 64x, 128x or even 256x oversampling.

I don't make music for audio engineers, so I've never had any comments from fans and listeners about audible aliasing or that I should use higher oversampling.

Yeah it's great. My other is presswerk.

Yes

I have the Plugin Alliance version

Yes yes. That's a hidden treasure :)

Free clip too

+1 for V Clip. Great clipper. Haven't used LVC Clipshifter though. How would you compare it to V Clip?

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I take it you don't listen to any hip hop then lol

Then you use a clipper that allows you to clip in different ranges

I listen to plenty of hip hop just nothing from the past 5-10 years, mostly older

Liam Gaughan Agreed. I usually think guitar or vocals first and kick last. I like my kicks clean and punchy.

all the new trap sounds are clipped, it's like a new sound

thecliqueshallsetyoufree yes

So everyone is selling us plugins and we need hw?

Bro i stand with you the soft clip plugin may sound good but not even close to my mastering converter

Regan Owen Keeping it short: With Clipping everything above 0 kinda get’s chopped off. With limiting it get’s pushed down. I prefer working with clippers for like 5 years now, but never without a multiband dynamics processor.

Regan Owen HipHop/Trap songs usually need a hard kick. In my opinion you can get a way harder kick with a clipper. For something like a smooth rocksong, I’d rather use a limiter.

Clipping means the digital signal reaches its limit, its all 1s. It squares the wave. Limiting means you push down the sound in an attempt to keep the sonics. Clipping if done subtly can add excitement but if overdone makes it sound really harsh and electronic. Limiting can be more transparent but may squeeze the dynamics out of the mix if overdone.

limiters have attack and release speed, whereas clippers do not.

@Muso Snoop lol. Who cares. Sound is all that matters

You can clip loud transients like kick and snare just to bring rest of the track in volume. Clipping short transients is not so noticable and might even sound neat.

RU-vid videos are so difficult to hear nuance. Basically you are just distorting the very loudest parts of the song which are so fast you barely notice them. If you clip a lot, it will sound like distortion basically.

Reduce dynamic range, and distort sound.

It's not hard to hear difference in youtube videos btw.

distorted sound sometimes sound good, depends on your aesthetic preference ofc.

If you clip before hitting pro-l your mix will sound better, making limiters work too hard causes ugly artifacted sound, clipping/shaving before limiting makes limiters work in a more pleasant manner.

@@jasoncruizer nice to know, thx

Sometimes a limiter pushes transient information back in a non-pleasant way, especially live drums. Clipping even slightly to shave off the peaks instead of limiter retains the energy better. Obviously you quickly lose the dynamics completely, so it's a very subtle artform.

Link us to all of your Grammy winning records, would love to listen to them.

Dave’s humor has a subtety to it that the other ones don’t have.

Clayton Brown he is not using clipping for volume, its for improving the excitement,the transients ,to make the drums 'pop' imo

Notice how he was using a hip hop instrumental, it all depends on genre and the loudness war is not stopping anytime soon. A great mix engineer (and one of Dave’s friends) Mike Dean recently said that his final masters usually read -6 dB RMS but recently he has pushed it to -4 dB and higher, he does this with clipping! Clipping is an essential part o flow mixing if you want to keep up to date with this on going war.

those numbers -4 and -6 rms don't mean much to me. I read the aes form on final masters the other night and they never mentioned rms once, I think that term is outdated now except for speaker measurement and hi fi audio terminology. the document was all about using k20 +35db for professional audio not k14 or k12. I'm not sure as to what you guys are talking about, clipping the audio merely reduces the dynamics of a project. I have a way to flatten the entire output volume without losing any dynamics but I'm keeping that to myself. As for clipping is essential I would have to disagree with you unless you mean adding gain "distortion." If anything theory is complete opposite in that the higher the watts the more energy you can pass through a system allowing for less distortion but he doesn't talk about all that technical mumbo jumbo. If you play guitar through a 200 watt cabinet the guitars "distortion/clipping/gain" will sound better than the same settings going through a 90 watt speaker cabinet. When he references master bus clipping I assume he means on the master as in final mixdown and not something that can be tooled for a single snare drum channel.

If you consider the shift in music consumption in the past decade I think it’s safe to say that the Loudness Wars are over. As far as releases from main stream mastering engineers, they’re only in continuation of old bad habits. Everything from Apple Music to RU-vid and Radio to Television has implemented perceived loudness normaliztion by default. The only major streaming platform that hasn’t is SoundCloud and I expect that to change soon. Physical CD purchases are down, vinyl purchases are up and vinyl itself has a breaking point once a signal exceeds a certain level to where the information can’t even be pressed to the vinyl. Lossless streaming seems to be the next big move as well. Tidal already has their end covered but Spotify is secretly engaging in price testing on a lossless streaming plan to find an appropriate price point before going public. Anyone who tries to justify crushing and distorting sounds for the sake of loudness in 2018 is completely indenial. Now if it’s for the sake of effect and aesthetic that’s one thing. The new loudness normalization implementation encourages the utilization of all the dynamic range that digital audio made possible.

I like what you had to say Mixed by Drops and can agree but more specifically what you said about old guys carrying old habits into a newer world that was interesting I never thought about it like that. I only cleaned lined the audio file with brickwall after the fact because I would know if someone looked at it they would think visually the file as unpolished and that's of course what you are talking about. For years how we have compared what an audio looks like and how the "pros" look instead of using our ears to compare.

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HORNGEN4. Well they did invent VSTs, so all their products work together.. The DAW comes with everything a person would need to start and finish a project. Menus and features are well organized, don't need take a class or memorize keycommands to get started, but also do have some extra advance features that may take some learning.

jmac2050 cubase went out with the ark.

jmac2050 the same can be said about Logic Pro X and PreSonus Studio One.

listen to kick since it's loudest part of song. If u had for example snare the loudest then snare would sound different.

Nope, we can't, even in 2022. There is still loudness and perceived loudness.

@@xanderpills Oh wow. That was my opinion 3 years ago? Meanwhile I've completely changed my mind on the topic.Was so passive aggressive too 😅