Master vs Master - Omega Seamaster vs Seiko Marinemaster 

I am pining this. Metallica rocks!

@@BruceWilliams 🤘😝🤘 I totally agree :)

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@@BruceWilliams 80s metallica yes

@@BruceWilliams Metallica metals! ;)

Well said! 😂

the omega seamaster 300 smp has not changed it's design since 1993... Both watches can be had for discounts... seiko usually have higher discounts. I own both, but i am just speaking from a purely objective perspective.

@@brianhsin678vintage seikos are very expensive.

How about the a Rolex Submariner vs MM?

@@Wasabi_Master it's almost exactly the same.

@@BPFACTS88 with the difference that Rolex has much more accurate mechanism than Omega and does not lose so on values.

Damn Bruce this guy schooled you haha

I totally agree with you. I just bought the Seiko LX SNR029 with the Spring Drive. A real dive watch. Neither Rolex or Omega can touch Seiko when it comes to real life diving watches!

That is about the time I sold my last 3 Rolex and last 2 Omega watches, I mean "timepieces". I then bought and enjoyed more Seikos. I guess the advertising of the Swiss brands worked to a large degree but, in the end, it turns out that I am not that pretentious...anymore. Excuse me, have you any Grey Poupon?

Same here, owned/handled virtually everything out there but something just draws me to Seikos and they get the most wrist time. They have Magic Factor that make them absolute joy to wear whether it's Seiko 5 or G.S..

@@merlinzipp Damn, I'm glad I'm not the only one; my gun dealer looks at me funny because I've got rid of most of my "luxury" pieces and have developed an enthusiasm for Seikos. I was starting to think there was something wrong with me. Seikos are like potato chips, you can't have just one. Or two. Or three.

@@varanid9 Ha, ha, but true.If they could only stack and store like Pringles. They take up a lot of square footage.

late to the party but... yes.

i have both as well, but the mm300 is very thick and chunky.

So, any watch I own needs to be able to handle daily beatings of everyday life and still look and work well; go from hiking trail to office. Hence, why I am not a fan of Rolex. How do these two watches handle daily wear and presence?

@@gpmaher Omega

@@gpmaher That makes no sense, Rolex is renowned for robust and durable automatic movements.

I have both... the omega keeps much better time... the seiko at +7 the omega at +.25 seconds per day

Exactly, that's why replacement straps for all Omega are selling so well

Mine too, but the variance is what kills it. For most of the time, my Seiko 6R15 could keep anywhere from 0.4s to 1s in either direction per day, my Tudor and Rolex around 1s. But other times of the year, depending on my activity or weather, or what have you, my Tudor and Rolex would be the same, my Seiko would go to -8s per day.

@@rousseau327 the 8L35 has very low variance, i.e. high consistency. Meaning if you get a MM300 that is +6 a day, it's likely to remain +6 throughout the year. The 6r15 is several tiers below the 8L35, imo. If it's regulated, the 8L35 would basically be a Grand Seiko movement, high accuracy and low variance.

The sheikh is a great piece, mine is about +4/day. The omega, on the other hand, is amagnetic and runs right at +1/day.

I have both, i would wear the omega with a suite, definitely not the seiko.

Truth!

Seamasters are boring.

Agreed they could definitely coexist in a collection

Excellent! Getting a considerable discount at an AD is the best. Congrats Jeffery

Thank you

The box is also part of the brand experience and when you get into luxury, experience has a lot of weight. I think at Omegas price point you're getting an excellent experience. Their presentation boxes exceed Rolexes.

I wear mine on a green Tropic and it looks great.

Thanks!

Dive watch on leather....lol

The triton is overly done imo, plus with the painted black portions. I just don't think it works. This is linear, clean, finer grain, and overall... just one of my favorite handsets

Bruce Williams got it.

I like the blue more personally

Many superlatives here: “best”, “better than any”... Really? A ‘Swatch’ for $4000 + ? While I do like the movement, I don’t think everybody would agree with your ‘rational’ comparison. If you really like the Omega, just buy a used one at half the price.

@@edteach3r it is quite clear that we value different things. Omega is not "swatch" even if it is in the same group. Finishing and materials of the Seamaster are on top of the watches in the diver sub 10k bracket. Coaxial escapement, accuracy and overall mechanical build are top in the same segment. Those are facts, not opinions, and you can easily verify them through youtube reviews (if you rely on them) or simply by taking a loupe and inspecting the watch yourself. In addition to this, your reply is just a polemic one, in fact there is NO WAY you can find a seamaster at half retail price unless it's a fake. You can easily buy one new for 5k or less, the current 2nd market value is about 4k, slightly less for bad conditions. Is depreciation going to be an issue for omega? Yes, in fact it's an issue with ANY brand except the overvalued Rolex and Patek. The only "opinion" in comparing the seamaster 300m diver to other divers is about your preference in its design and style, almost any other scientific metric is on the favour of the omega. If you disagree, please provide counterproof.

Void : Personally, I value Omega as a brand and was only questioning the superlatives you were assigning to a watch that is mass-produced. As a quick reference, I am looking at Chrono24 and Watchbox (verified dealers only) and there are a number available at 30-40% over new (including box and papers, cheaper without), and this is without looking very hard. I buy all my watches from my AD and they regularly have used Omega Seamasters (different models) for sale that offer significant discounts over new. I own a 1967 Seamaster (my dad’s watch) and it runs beautifully, and am currently looking at buying the calibre 321 Speedmaster. However, it is not the “best” watch, in my opinion.

Eddie de Beer everyone’s best will differ of course , but I def see his point ..... however show me another watch in the 5 grand range that categorically beats it . I’d love to consider it for my collection .... it’s a hell of a diver , it’s a hell of a watch ... people may be down on the look but that does not deny its workmanship its quality it’s value . And the swatch thing is so played out . It’s not even an argument it’s just stating a fact . Yep they own them . Like General Motors owns Cadillac ...

I'll have to think on that

I think GS has a hi beat gmt at 41 or 42. Anything with an ETA isnt a true gmt. I would say the Tudor although tall is probably the best

Thx for the response Bruce.

They would be similarly priced

Have both watches Seiko LX spring drive is a thicker watch but like it better than the Omega Seamaster with its heavy metal bracelet

Have both watches prefer Seiko prospects LX is a much lighter watch and more accurate movement But the Omega Seamaster movement is good as well

Handled both extensively. If you're not a titanium fan, the LX will seem too light. The watch is also very thick and compared to the mm300 wears truer to size due to larger dial and indices pushed to edge of dial. The bracelet and clasp are disappointing just like the sbga231. The crown is very chunky and will bite into your wrist (depending in how you wear it). The dial in my opinion also looks cheap and plasticky with the matte charcoal finish. In prefer the regular mm300. If the lx is supposed to be the pinnacle of prospex and spring drive, they should reduce thickness by 2mm, reduce crown size, improve bracelet and clasp and use a deep gloss dial for it to look the part. The smp300 has better bracelet, clasp, dial and wears better than the lx

Seiko spring drives I have not had great luck with in GS watches, one of mine stopped moving within a year. GS didn’t cover it under warranty since GS stated it was in contact with an exterior magnet like an airport scanner. GS charged $880 to recharge the internal magnets on the watch and it took almost 3 months since it had to be sent to Japan. My GS spring drive chrono constantly ran fast about 10 seconds a day but GS claimed 1 second. GS also would not cover adjusting under warranty since the warranty states an guaranteed accuracy of plus or minus 10 seconds they just advertise plus or minus 1. While my Omega seamaster has been between plus 1.5-2 seconds daily and measured and my speedmaster is plus 4-4.5 seconds daily measured. So both are more accurate then my two spring drive movements. My A Lange Lange 1 beats both of them at less then 1 second a day measured even beats my two pateks which run 2-3 seconds over a day. My Seiko line watches are not spring drive just autos and my newest the Propex Alpinist is not very accurate at all but a great looking cheap watch at $750, it measures plus 10 seconds one day then minus 7 another, then minus 10, then minus 7 again, so far it’s all over the place but still nice looking for the price. I love the look of Seiko watches but their movement accuracy is only at the beginning and more hype then truth from my experience. Still amazing looking watches but movements are not at the level of many other brands out there unless you’re looking at their bargain or made in Japan but under a grand watches. Great finish on the watch and you really can’t expect COSC or DIN level movements at that price point no brand offers that under $2,000. I will say GS spring drive chrono watches have terrible resale value, so if you like them buy used since GS’s warranty covers almost nothing anyway.

@@Peter-tc3ep I must admit I don't believe you had the grand Seiko had it 3 years have no problems with it went through Airport didn't get magnetised

That is true, I mispoke. They even engrave it on the movement. The only thing that I was let down with on this movement was that they did not place the jumping hour hand in and instead placed a quickset date. I really love the jumping hour on the planet oceans and seamaster 300

@@BruceWilliams I get that. For me, I like the novelty of the jump hour hand, but I set the date infinitely more often than I travel across time zones.. so I actually prefer this movement :) I know its not as cool, but its more practical for a fellow like me.

The jumping hour hand belongs in a Gmt and I love it on my GMTs. However, I don't think a divers watch should be penalized for not having this feature. But that's just me.

@@stansuarez Not penalizing, just not giving perfect marks. That would leave no room for improvement

Its not that great though. a 40 dollar strap...

@@BruceWilliams , lol, I have my Sumo on a $12 rubber strap right now. Options you can wear are fun. Even my fabulous Rolex box sits in the basement.

@@planetdee3587 true that. I really liked the older waffle straps they used to come with. Not excited about this one

@@BruceWilliams not even...

It's an optical illusion. The dial of the Seiko is smaller, but the case is a little wider (if I recall correctly; sold my Omega and kept my MM300 some time back) and much thicker. The size of the dial does so much for the perceived size of a watch, I've found.

I thought about it but I felt it was fairly objective. Some might say the SMP has more advantage for its specs at it's price. Will explore the idea more in future comparisions. Thanks Mike

@@BruceWilliams I figured you thought about it. Value is in the eye of the beholder. IMO Brand Perception too often trumps watch quality. I've tried and it's hard to ignore brand when making decisions on what to buy.

I love the look myself :)

There are other seiko models with more balanced proportions. The marinemaster's tall and small faced look is iconic and has its own admirers.

Stanley Suarez yes, I don’t dislike it.

Correct! Seiko is more robust. Coaxial movement is rather fragile.

@@code6400 I can definitely tell you've never owned Omega's new Coaxial.

@@NotificationalAlert I did but flipped it soon after. Not because of that, though.

Ha! hahaha Lold hard on this one.

shaneweightman: exactly what I thought, those skeleton hands look so cheap and ugly.

Agree! I prefer the Seiko anytime and save some money for other watches. Omega hands arggg... I used to had some Omega's because of my wife like the brand, so every year she gave me one (Seamaster, PO, Proplof, etc) for my birthday and to these days only survive the Proplof. Instead I've some Grand Seiko and I'm happy with that decision.

I don't know what Bruce has, My MM300's finish is noticeably nicer than my Omega's was (it's gone now while I still have my Seiko). From what I've read about the movements, the Seamaster has nothing on the Marinemaster in terms of design; in fact, the MM300's movement appears to be a more efficient design while, according to one watchmaker I talked to, the Omega's Coax is a throwback to a less efficient design used as a basis for no other reason than so Omega can say they have something Rolex doesn't. However, he also did say that the Omega had more attention put to its movement's assembly while the Seiko could stand being regulated.

Edit: It wasn't a watchmaker, it was an article in a watch magazine that talked about why Omega went to the Coaxial movement.

Same depth rating, i would say legibility goes to Seiko. Most people who dive use dive computers.

Its not. My friend wanted to buy it off me so I sold it to him for a great price

Bruce Williams I really like that watch but it’s a bit expensive for what it is. Still tempted though!

Grissana Takeyama Especially when we all have phones & can monitor how fast or slow our watch is anytime we want.

What a lot of people don't know, is many top-end watches do not give a crap about variance. APs have +7s from some users, same as Lange, etc. The mid-tier luxury watches (Rolex, Omega, Grand Seiko, etc.) is where people actually really care about accuracy.

Great comment!

Well said Peter

It definitely is a more manageable watch to wear

And waaaay better movement.

Jaspreet singh But $2000 better?!

Those are good points man!

my wearing experience with the MM300 changed when i switched the bracelet to the Strapcode Hexad. the weight is now balanced (instead of top heavy) and the watch sits amazingly comfortably now on the wrist. It doesnt move, slide or eat into the wrist anymore. It feels just like an integrated bracelet. Not the mention the look of that bracelet oh man i can talk about it all day. you should check it out!

they both have the same depth rating. Go PO and get double the depth rating.