@@AnakinGuyChopper the best outcome because all of his preachings becomes hollow on spot. All the work he did ends up in vain if you don't give a shit about anything.
Yeah, he's the kind of character that feels that believing in a cause is extremely important. That's basically what drove him to do all this. I'm pretty sure he would really really hate Diogenes.
"I will nuke NCR!" "OK, I don't care." "I will then nuke the Legion!" "See answer A." "I... will perhaps nuke Vegas?" "They stole my caps, so..." "You've sucked the fun out of this, prepare to die."
Ulysses: You created the divide. You detonated the nukes and ran away. A hero at a thousand paces. Courier: I'm sorry. I don't remember any of it. Ulysses: You don't remember?! Courier: For you, the day Courier 6 graced your village was the most important day of your life. But for me, it was Tuesday.
To this day, I'm still not 100% sure what Ulysses problem with the Courier was. The Courier delivered a package to Hopeville, which was inhabited by the NCR. The package triggered dormant nukes to explode. The Courier, objectively, was just doing their job and did not know what the item they delivered was capable. Considering the NCR's track record with technology they don't understand (see Helios One), it's possible the NCR caused the incident by mishandling the item. Yet, for some reason, Ulysses blames the Courier and holds a massive grudge against them for something they're not really at fault for. And, no matter how many times you tell this guy you didn't know what was in the package and literally did not intend for any of that to happen, he still continues to blame you, even though the person he's blaming is literally just a mailman. It's almost literally like that Thanos meme: Ulysses: You took everything from me! Courier: I don't even know who you are.
Correct, you understand the point. Ulysses is desperate for purpose, and CANNOT settle for saying "sometimes shit happens," because that would be admitting that all the suffering he went through, and put others through, was for nothing. He hates the Courier because he has to, projects all these feelings onto someone he doesn't know because he only sees the Symbol of how the will of a single man could change the world... and apathy can bring that world to an end. The Old World ended because no one fought hard enough to save it, no one questioned orders, no one cared to recognize the insanity of racing towards obliteration for the sake of a flag. Ulysses lost his New World because no one bothered to question what was in that fateful box that passed through Hopeville or why it should have ever mattered. Ulysses hates us because if he doesn't carry that hate, that means Ulysses has absolutely nothing left in his world. That's why you don't talk him down by denouncing his plans or ideals, you pacify him by forcing him to look past the Symbol to finally meet the Man. Pride and apathy damned the world, but reaching out to your fellow man will save it.
@@madprophet6891 Yup, that's also why this "neutral" route here is unable to be talked down, unlike how you can if you picked any other faction. He wants to get revenge on you by taking what you care about, but if you care for nothing it once again, ruins his goals and ruins his entire ideaology. Ulysses can't process the idea of someone not having a tribe to attach to, so he won't be talked down to someone he cannot comprehend.
@@raze2012_he actually can be talked down, but only if you get all EDE upgrades and his holotapes. to be fair, heard this in a YT comment, so take with a grain of salt
@@madprophet6891I think that’s the main thing people forget or even ignore about him. Which is at the end of the day he is a broken man. Everything he’s ever cared about is gone.
@@25thDaveWalker Courier, it seems your road is blocked, like the Bull's folly at the 1st Battle of Hoover Dam. Here, take this elixir. [You received Red Bull Elixir] Fortified with caffeine and taurine, Red Bull gives you wings. Ensuring all packages are delivered on time.
You can talk him down factionless... actually. It requires either all of ede upgrades or all of his holotapes and when talking with Ulysses you have to stick to one or the other.
If you select the "If I can convince you, that's enough for me" option he will change and join you in fighting off the marked men. But I kind of like this one too. He always was came off as a whiny self absorbed edgelord to me. He acts like being a delivery boy is equivalent to carrying the entire world on your shoulders.
@@CheetahFoxx To be fair, he's right. You can sort of see him like a 4th wall break - he's somewhat aware that there's something special about you, that you have more power and agency than the other... well, npcs.
I feel like Ulysses could of had much more interaction in this dlc with the courier, especially if you did the other dlcs as well. He's been to everyone of those places (Sierra Madre, Zion, Big MT) and yet you never get to talk to him about it. At best he remarks maybe once about Joshua Graham, and I believe once about Big MT, but given the significance of those people and places, it felt underwhelming
He was originally intended to be a companion in the base game, and had by far the largest amount of dialogue. Due to disc space limitations, he had to be cut though. That and the time constraints Obsidian faced may very well be the main reasons why his implementation in Lonesome Road feels like barely scratching the surface.
One major problem with the gamebryo engine is how DLC only hook into the main game module, and not each other. This is why weapons from one DLC don't interact with perks from another DLC. For the same reason I bet planning for playthroughs of Lonesome Road by people without all DLCs would have been a major pain in the penis, since Lonesome Road checking for flags from an .esm you don't have would have caused errors.
The entire ending to the DLC is the Courier trying to talk Ulysses down. There should be an option to motivate him to fire them at both sides to really just watch the world burn. If the dude really wants to shadow the Courier, he should start by wanting to set the world ablaze.
Isn’t that an option though? I personally chose to nuke both the NCR and the Legion to gain access to Dry Docks and Long 15. It was the “fuck ‘em we’re going to nuke both of them” option.
It's actually an option, this makes ulysses and the eyebots to help you fight an horde of enemies and at the end of the horde you launch both missiles and Ulysses survives
@@Lalinboss77 No, that option just means you talk Ulysses out of fighting you (through speech checks, or finding all ED-E's upgrades, or finding all of Ulysses' audio logs). After that, the player gets to decide if/who you want to nuke.
Ulysses: Don't remember all the people you killed! Do you remember how destroyed an entire community?! Courier: Do you have the slightest idea how little that narrows it down?
I really despised Ulysses. Not for being murderous, for being pretentious. This end dialog barely scratches how irritating he was on the journey to this point.
I get what they were going for with Ulysses, but they really missed the mark. He comes across as some kind Sonic fanfiction character, not as a wise, thought-provoking man.
This is especially undercut as almost everyone I know either pressed "nuke 'em both" on their first playthrough, or did it on a later playthrough and wished they'd done it the first time. I appreciate how, perhaps without intending it, they recreated the climax of Fallout 3. Fighting a man to stop him from doing what you want to happen, as he tries to stop you from doing what he wants to happen.
Honestly he comes off as way more interesting in the various tidbits you can find about him in other DLCs, but in Lonesome Road itself when you meet him...hooboy.
Blame Chris Avellone for this one. He is notorious for Tumblr donut steel characters and pretentious ramblings if left unchecked. Just like Ulysses from Lonesome Road, Kreia from SW KotOR 2 is another example of what happens when you leave autistic alcoholic nerd unchecked.
Imagine trying to get revenge on a man only to realise too late he's just a natural disaster spreading death blindly. I only talked to him once to see what happens. Havent bothered since. Too much talking, literally dragging out syllables worse than ASMR girls.
Courier: so, if I pick a side, you'll nuke that one. Right? Ulysses: correct. Courier: So, if I go to the Divide right out of Goodsprings(maybe a few console commands and some cheat/god mods to make it easier) and confront you-- Ulysses: I'm still going to bomb the NCR, for being closer to The Divide. Courier: but why? I have no vested interest in them. Ulysses: the same reason you trekked The Divide to see me To deliver one last message from History-- Courier: Okay we're just talking in circles,you're in love with the sound of your own voice, and I only delivered a package to Hopeville... nothing more nothing less. EAT MINI NUKE!!!
Heh, who needs mini-nukes? Between Red Glare and The Sword of the West the devide is a cakewalk. Hardest part is the tunneler cave but you can squeak it by skirting up the rocks.
I think I've improved this DLC for myself on the first run because I skipped most of the dialogue. Not on purpose, but because English is not my native language and back in the day I couldn't understand half the crap that was said/written. To me Lonesome Road became a story of some crazy guy mistaking me for some old nemesis of his. He basically sent me an invitation for a duel, set up a gauntlet and then attempted to blow everyone up after losing. And there was a robot that's a reference to FO2 as a bonus, because I knew what Navarro was. I ended up walking away from it, thinking it was an "action" DLC similar to Anchorage for FO3. Because other DLCs also mirrored FO3 DLCs in tone(Zeta = OWB, Pitt = DM, Point Lookout = HH). Following playthroughs made me appreciate the DLC more. However, as my level of english language and overall knowledge increased, Ulysses started quickly losing his charm. Nowadays, I'd rather have the comedic misunderstanding plot I perceived originally over his pompous tantrum.
@@lasumexaranethon7230 He could learn a thing or two from Boone. Courier, after recruiting a companion he just met: "Tell me a bit about yourself" Boone: *No*
The cadence in his speech is also quite insane. Like he shits out a wholeass sentence and then ends it with a random word.. kinda? Idk if you get it@@lasumexaranethon7230
@@lasumexaranethon7230 He talks almost exclusively in metaphors or half-truths. And if you didn't play all the DLC at once, he was the last DLC that came some year after release, where it's easy to forget all the associations (bear/bull, old world, etc.) and even some base game lore (like that there were 7 couriers and stuff). It can be a hard read without thoroughly understanding the rest of the game first.
I think ulysses is a silly little guy. Every time he tries to monologue i walk past him, tousle his hair as i go, and then select the option to nuke both teams without hesitation. It's been that way for god knows how many playthroughs at this point
In my most recent playthrough, I saved outside the chamber & then went inside. Couldn't convince him not to launch, so I reloaded my save and as soon as I got inside up came the Anti-Material rifle with explosive rounds equipped. I shot him. Boom.
The only bad part about this dlc is listening to this man’s bullshit throughout playing it, bruh the courier didn’t knew what was in the package and he/she didn’t cause the dlc to happen
@@VioletRM they weren’t too bad for me, I throw a flash bang and go ape shit with the ballistic fist. Now the courier mile, I died so many times just 2-3 seconds entering it.
I get that having a bit of backstory for the MC has always been part of Fallout, but why they randomly decided to include the Courier *nuking a town* in the final DLC is beyond my comprehension. You'd think someone would mention the Divide being created after you started running jobs in the area, but apparently no one thought *a nuke going off* in their lifetime was worth mentioning. Ulysses, buddy, are you *sure* you're talking to the right person? 'Cause I don't remember any of this...
But the event itself wasn't shit to the courier. He literally just delivered a package and fucked off. Maybe later he heard that town got wiped out - damn, that's a pisser but shit happens every day in the wasteland right? (Also I'm not so sure a nuke going off WOULD be that unheard of, there's fusion batteries in every car, random fuckers run around with Fat Man weaponry, and there's surely a ton of big bombs left over in storages and silos and whatnot.) In terms of roleplay and backstory it really changes nothing from what we already knew - you spent your life up to the Benny gank being a courier delivering shit around the wasteland. Maybe C6 really did lose their memories about the Divide from having that particular clutch of grey matter blown out by Benny, or maybe they actually don't remember because it was just one of a thousand little Wasteland hamlets they delivered shit to and never imagined in a million years it was their actions which set off the bombs.
@@thomasprice7893 there is no indication you've spent your life as a courier, iirc all we know of your backstory in the bas game is you were given *that* one job, and a mysterious person said "let courier 6 take it" You could have been a courier for all of a month for all we know
Ulysses: i will destroy the bear and the bull with this old world demon Courier: Do it, no balls... Ulysses: i...what? Courier: Do it i haven't been to the strip yet and i want the Long 15 and Dry wells loot
I’m so glad you can do all the DLCs b4 even confronting Benny or even b4 going to the strip. I remember I did one playthrough where I did all the DLCs first and when I got to the end of lonesome road. I nuked dry wells b/c I was wondering if they added dialogue for Caesar if you nuked dry wells b4 meeting the legion but no. Caesar doesn’t mention it when you meet him and only mentions your other crimes against the legion 😂
@@pyr1412 To be fair, how is Caesar supposed to know that it was specifically Courier Six who nuked it? I know he's "got eyes and ears everywhere", but c'mon, it's the Lonesome Road and no one ever talks about it.
Damn, like I know he always has that monotone voice, but even with that you still just feel the vitriol he has against you in those last options you make.
I never understood this DLC when it first came out. I just remember the sick fight where me and Ulysses teamed up to kill things, and the missiles were flying in the background.
Ulysses and his psuedo-intellectual ranting never ceased to annoy me. I don't care about the NCR I don't care about the Legion. I nuked both because I didn't want to sacrifice my awesome brobot, and I figured I might as well weaken both my probable-enemies whenever I take Vegas.
I sacrificed the brobot because I figured what better am I than he who I have slain if I should indiscriminately kill those of the legion. Yes the soldiers may perhaps deserve their fates, but the innocent civilians do not
The robot only dies if you try to disarm both nukes, but I like to send both nukes anyway for all the loot and my reputation gets reset by the time I go the strip. Edit: Never mind, for some reason my Legion infamy didn't reset after killing Benny.
Yeah, yeah, Ulysses, i heard you the millionth time. Bears and Bulls, Bears and Bulls. (tries to talk him out) Ulysses: Sheeeeeeit, u tryina trick me! Die!
"What symbols do you carry, Courier? I bear the symbols of the Old World, a symbol that I made proper for myself." "Is that why you threw a fit when the White Legs adopted your tribe's hairstyle as their symbol?"
virgin soyjak Ulysses: "NOOOOOOO!!!!! YOU CAN'T JUST BELIEVE IN NOTHING!!! YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE IN SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!" Chad Thundercock Courier: "lol, lmao"
Virgin Enclave Legion NCR Brotherhood fanboys:Waaaah! Semper Fi Ave true to ceaser patrolling the mojave ad victorim Chad anarchist courier:"No gods,no masters....."
Lonesome Road is fucking stupid. I went in with my character, and the backstory I made for him because the selling point of this game is that you have a true blank slate, but nooooo turns out you actually built up a whole ass town and nuked it and that's canon.
@@Wiski_ First off, Josh Sawyer himself stated that the courier is not an amnesiac. Secondly, the notion of the courier being a pre-determined character as you imply is something that to my understanding only came about in Lonesome Road. And lastly, you wanna what's _truly_ 'cringe'? Telling people what they can and can't do in a roleplaying game that they paid for, and the way they roleplay in that game is wrong.
@ghoulsome9483 ulysses holds a lengthy speech about how you apparently built this place called the courier's mile or some bs which is the place he nukes first for some reason. for someone who is so pissed over the divide exploding, he sure is eager to point even more missiles at the place.
@@cmb9173 i thought courier's mile was named that way after it blew up don't remember that specific part of the speech, i always got the impression the divide was something unrelated to the courier beyond the delivery, and Ulysses more so commenting on his impact on communities intentionally or not with hopeville being his big example
@ghoulsome9483 was it? i always thought the courier was supposed to be like an important figure in the divide's history, besides the launch codes he delivered, given how ulysses kept pretending like you two shared a history. honestly i'm not even sure, i could be completely wrong, half the time i can't even tell what ulysses is babbling on about
I think him being the only character that speaks in the whole DLC probably made him worse, he was kinda cool and mysterious when he was teased in other DLC's but when you peel back the mystery you find a philloshpy major.
@@andryuu_2000 Im NCR and Brotherhood all the way but i still like Ulysses, mostly just for the way you can talk to him over the cliff when you spare him,kinda feels cozy and warm,like your just bros chilling,looking at ruins of the divide,reflecting on the past and near future.
This man's hatred of you defies all else. He has no other opinions, basing his mindset only on whatever he thinks will piss you off the most. That's why he hates it when you don't have an opinion. It's hard to oppose somebody who couldn't care less.
I really need to get around to my low Charisma play through. One of my earliest DnD characters was a courier and I dumped his Charisma so I think it'd genuinely be fun to go toe to toe against a man who loves a to talk with someone who has trouble speaking.
Ulysses is one of the most overrated characters in the series. Guys a loser that chews your damn ear off about shit you don’t care about and is butthurt about you blowing up his home, which you didn’t even intend to do. I can’t stand him
Never liked this dude, couldn't even be bothered with this dlc. After watching some playthroughs he just seems like a pissed kid who uses big words to sound smart. He's just angry at a wrong person for wrong reasons.
