Using Joshua Graham's fate to decieve Legate Lanius (Ulysses Speech Route) - Fallout: New Vegas 

@@varsancton yes.

[SUCCEEDED] “Damn. You right” *fucking implodes*

(Speech 100) "Based"

@@CheezeSpartan SUCCEEDED - Fr no cap, on god? [Speech 100] fr fr SUCCEEDED - He... he's literally me

@@varsancton you just wrote a pretty cringey comment too.

I mean it's mainly due to the incompetent General that's leading the Defence of Hoover Dam. Hence why he gets suckered by the Courier in other endings, particularly the Mr. House ending. Let's not forget that the President of the NCR was almost assassinated at Hoover Dam as well and only survives due to Mr. House and the Courier's actions.

@@tonts5329 Kimball only survives thanks to the Courier. Mr. House has nothing to do with it because you could do a NCR run and still save him without being ordered by House.

@@damsen978 I meant during the Mr. House playthrough, but you are right it's the Courier that keeps the President alive.

That Awkward moment how NCR is still in control of something in Mojave. They could not even handle prisoners, who owned not just jail but also a town and a vault. I wonder why Powder Gangers is not a major faction in Mojave... Also Legion attacked Searchlight, Nelson... Camp Guardian fallen to wild beasts...

@@alexzero3736 The Powder Gangers are a minor faction due to their size and generally disorganized nature. The Great Kahns would make more sense as a major faction, given they have members spread out across the Mojave too, but they are better organised. The Powder Gangers are basically just criminals, only a slight step above the Fiends and Raiders that Blight the Wasteland. They just don't have that same level of threat as the Legion, NCR or Mr. House's Securitrons. Shown by how easily the Powder Gangers in Nipton were wiped out by what seemed to be a small Legion force.

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Carthage, Ottomans ​@@hickhok41

​@@hickhok41 hitler

​​@@hickhok41every dictator. Sadams army didn't fight for him either

@@WiseOwl_1408 hitler didnt have paranoid generals but did have low morale in late 1944

In a House or Yes-Man Ending he initially calls you an "Envoy of Vegas" and he concludes by calling you Courier if you choose to not fight him.

The programmers and writers only had 18 months. I let the leader of the NCR and legion live I had yes man they both say they will come back I would like to see another, 3rd battle of hover dam. Different scripts and your holding NCR from going into Vegas as your troops are defending the dam this time. And I would like to see vault 24 it was supposed to be in the game. Fallout New Vegas 2.

That's a good in universe explanation but I'm pretty sure it's just because they forgot to assign the NCR ending line for that branch. They didn't have much time to make these DLCs so it's understandable that small things like that would be missed.

and no matter what the options are stupid as caesar will NOT accept failure, friendly reminder he had joshua thrown down the canyons while set on fire for failing to take the damn, imagine how pissed he'd be at lanius if he came back saying "i got told to fuck off"

@@some_shitposting_idiot3023 it's sort of a different situation for Lanius here than Joshua. Joshua didn't fall back on his own volition. He got his army fully wiped out in Boulder City and was forced to retreat otherwise he would've died there. Lanius hasn't lost any sort of big battle like he did. The Legion was winning until the Courier comes into the camp and deals with Lanius (NCR radio is mostly just the guy freaking out about The Legion overwhelming them even if the Courier did quests beforehand to prepare the NCR). While I'm not entirely sure that Caesar would just let him off the hook for retreating like this, it's possible that he'd maybe listen to Lanius this time as Lanius technically didn't lose and only retreated to protect the Legion from becoming what Caesar hates about the NCR. Then again, in the cut post game for New Vegas, Legion Slaves have dialouge talking about how high ranking Legion officers are getting executed for failing at the Dam so it's likely that Lanius would end up getting executed in the end.

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It makes sense for his ideology tho, he's the mightiest warrior of the Legion. He believes if the others fell, it's because they were weak, and now the NCR's mightiest is right in front of him, so he can win by killing the Courier and the rest of the NCR would be pushovers

Even better. By the end of the game most people dont have a brain

Lanius also never left his camp to fight in the battle himself. Time to equip him with a metal clown mask.

​@97Crazysteve you have no clue what he's done or hasn't.

>merely pretending

I mean, the best lie has a dose of truth in it

More made a dumbass mistake that the legion is about to try and do

Like any true government

"iÓrale vato loco! Don't forget my motto, ese! I LIE, I CHEAT, I STEAL!"

New vegas has the best dialogue in the whole series

He wouldn't call it retreat, probably more of regrouping and reinforcing his legion. If you do ask if he's going to retreat at the end, he takes it personally and attacks you anyway. Gotta be careful with how you word things.

@@HESHRocketWarhead Observe great caesar, tis not a retreat, I am strategically relocating with haste

@@craigdawsonmate2517 Second only to 2, of course

He withdrawn his forces in good faith. Knowing Caesar would at least keep his pride intact and not emboldening the NCR any more than it needs to.

No peaceful option to these savages. Burn them all like they burned Graham. Do not want them setting foot on the Mojave ever again >:(

@@JKgyaru6969 well caesars death might’ve burned them just slowly compared to graham but unlike graham that fire will kill the legion

@@jackakakreanxx5587 A slow, ignoble death; Lanius is a leader, and a commander, but knows not how to manage a force, a country the size of the legion without Ceasar. Battles are won by valor and strength, but wars are won by logistics. Killing Lanius would create a power vacuum, and galvanize the Legion to avenge their fallen hero if they avoid infighting and a civil war over leadership. Letting him leave allows the legion to be destroyed by his own incompetence, and simply fall apart.

I still like doing the Barter options to talked down Lanius. We're essentially teaching Lanius to not neglect logistics.

@@Rb889 Eh, the Legion is a roaming slaver army. Just because a champion is killed doesn't mean he will be a martyr. Nobody loves Lanius, nobody worships him, his own troops fear him. There's no reason to believe that it would galvanize the Legion to avenge "a fallen hero". No offense, but that's fanfiction. The Legion dies regardless if Lanius is killed or not. But I think it is incredibly unlikely that a man like Lanius becomes a Martyr. He is only defined by his strength, if he loses that then there are few that would respect him and that's discounting everything else mentioned above. In addition, I also take issue with the constant comparison of a the Legion to a nation-state. It isn't the Roman Empire (not that it is a nation state). It's more of a roaming war band of slavers that exacts tribute than a country. There is little reason to think of it as a nation. Ceasar is not a lawgiver, nor is he a ruler of a country. Everything points to him being a warlord. In addition, Lanius isn't as single minded as people like to believe him to be. People in the fandom have a problem with believing the words of NPCs as gospel (Hanlon's dialogue is the best example of this). The Lanius you meet and the Lanius others tell you about are 2 different people. The actual Lanius is rather intelligent and retrospective, most importantly capable of seeing through sunk cost. He's no mad dog. I don't think he can save the Legion, but that's not entirely due to his "incompetence".

Sprints? Man bolted faster than a dog seeing a squirrel.

I mean, if you saw that mfer get set on fire and tossed into the Grand Canyon only to just *walk* back to northern Utah and still be able to wage war, you'd have to be insane to fight him

He knew Joshua would have domed him with his .45

Joshua is a monster after receiving full body third degree burns and being thrown off the Grand Canyon. Imagine how much of an unstoppable force he was in his prime.

​@@concept5631 Joshua Graham at his prime wouldn't reload, he'd just pull out more guns out of his pockets 😂

Perhaps both

I like Hanlon, too. Of course we know he's Kris Kristofferson.

I personally liked Veronica. Her voice actor is Kathryn Felicia Day, who also played as Charlie in Supernatural.

Only one was cool. The others was obsessed with religion or just outright ranting

Mr. House is a pretty cool evil dude too

Keith Szrajabajka voiced Joshua Graham - man whose existence is pain yet he chooses to endure it without complaint.

If they cannot understand the language of reason, they will understand the language of the sword

@@notfred1233 Swords are dumb Just use chanswords dummy

... or refurbished B-29.

this is true, just look at general oliver. dies in one shot, has a generic VA

Joshua Graham, too. His .45 shreds anything.

Doc Mitchell is G o d

@@ATHLETIC_FEMBOY Unfortunately, my Tri-Beam Rifle does much more than shred

Not to mention the Lieutenant in Mariposa base. I always liked his "sophistication" and he terrified me even more, than Master, when I watched my dad play Fallout 1.

Agreed - the games where you play as an objective "Chosen One" constantly portray as something close to a God, constantly praised and admired by the general populace and yet still treated like an ordinary bootlicker most of the time, sent to do some of the most menial shit ever. FNV on the other hand, while it could be argued you are still a kind of Chosen One, you're still just... some Courier who simultaneously got incredibly lucky and incredibly unlucky. And the DLCs go further in portraying you as not that special by showing you other people who have survived things they really shouldn't have - Christine in Dead Money, Joshua Graham etc. The writing is a lot more balanced in New Vegas by comparison to other games and that helps with doing quests both significant and insignificant

It's also an anathema to a Roleplaying game. And while normally, it's a nessecairy evil, New Vegas had a way to avoid that, and instead leapt in with both feet.

Well it probably doesn't help that there is heavy back lash from certain members of the RPG community for giving the player too many details about their character because they want to write their own character.

All he wanted was closure for the city he once knew to have the potential to be greater than both the bear and the legion

Also the sheer badass moment of you two standing shoulder to shoulder as you face down the Divide's strongest

i mean he tried to nuke all of the Mojave because he had a mental breakdown over his city getting bombed and instead of looking for the bomber he just went insane and joined Caeser's Legion and then laid waste to dozens of tribes. But yeah, I guess *after* he's done all those horrible things and did nothing whatsoever to atone for it means there's no real reason to get back at him for anything other than revenge for, i dunno, sending about a hundred Marked Men after you and attempting to cleanslate the whole Mojave area through ruining their supply lines and irreparably irradiating a budding area of society for hundreds of generations to come.

@@Theflameblast22 Good, the NCR and Legion are dead ends, they existence only impede the progress of better societies like the Divide

He almost killed like 100 thousand people for basically no reason lmfao

Its also possible that with Ceaser dead that the Legion will implode on itself by that time. There's really no telling.

the legion lives on its conquests, too long without victory and it starves. lanius would be pulling all the eastern forces of legion leaving the area unguarded and free to rebel. lanius is not caesar, his fear tactics might hold together his own army but it cant hold together the entire legion you need someone who understands it like caesar or vulpe and you need a figurehead to inspire not just fear. the legion is fucked no matter what. they could do some damage in their death-throes but hoover dam was their last chance for victory.

the only ay the legion survives this would be if it had the leader in the same caliber as Caesar himself and if you got into this fight Va lanius chances are both him and Vulpes are Dead, and there is no indicatino the legion has any other comparable candiate for leadership. if the sucession war doesnt end the legion, itts gonna eat itself once it can no longer push forward. the LEgion Dies with Caesar.

but two years is enough time for the NCR to set up bunkers and machine gun nests, dig trenches and prepare for the larger force.

@@mr.k4918 the corrupt beaucracy would likely delay such an action for at least year, due to resources being sapped north for the brshmin barons

Thats vegas baby

Well I assume you need to do lonesome road with a correct ending before doing the battle for Hoover Damn. And I feel safe in saying that 99% of the people either do the base game before DLC. Or they do only certain DLC for certain items and then finish the game.

@@Flustershy but after you finish the game you can’t do the dlc. I guess most people kill Ulysses.

@@kotzpenner I kill Ulysses because he talks too much, then I nuke the Legion.

@@Jinars. based

Having bits of lead in your brain for that long will do that.

It's believed by some that Caesar intends for the Courier to be his successor. The fact that if you side with him, he has the Courier's face put on a coin (apparently one of the main methods the Romans used to introduce people to a new emperor), along with how relatively forgiving he is towards you if you fail him, are two of the largest indicators of this I can recall.

@@nukesrus2663 Unlikely, the courier has no ties to the legion. I guess unless you RP that somehow. Its more likely that Ceasar is just giving the courier due honor for putting the legion into a spot where it can build it's Rome and destroy the NCR. But damn do I hate speculating on New Vegas stuff cause we'll never again get a Fallout game as good as it or even a sequel to it.

@@keatonkitsune4064 I mean, that could be why Caesar wants the Courier as his successor, he started the Legion from nothing and perhaps wants a outsiders view who alligns with his to lead on after his death.

@@sleepyllama3673 Once again the courier has no connections to the legion. He also spends very little time with ceasar and can actively object to ceasar's methods in their meeting. Heck the courier could be a woman, which the legion has certain views on.

@@keatonkitsune4064 Isn't playing the legion route forming a connection to the Legion and Caesar? Every person in the Legion was brought into the Legion. Renouncing their old connections for Caesar's new ideology. Also they view Caesar as a literal Son of Mars. I don't think a demigod persona would be to hard for a female courier to adopt.

I know. People complain about the dialogue, but the delivery is top-notch. Roger Cross did a great job. Shame the Fallout wiki says he hasn't gotten solid work since 2015.

@@patnewbie2177 I also learned from another comment that Ulysses was from a tribe so English wasn't his first language. Which is something most people dont know so that explains why they complain about the dialogue.

could've had way more, they cut him as a companion because disc space limitations because his dialouge files took up that much space

its like too much, like * rolls eyes * this deep voice again? no one sounds like that lol, i mean they do but...theres a reason why its cliche, ill give it (deep voices) that

@dogecoin investor Ah, thanks.

Definitely a coincidence, but 🤯🤯🤯

This is now canon imo

Twenty, or one 'score', is a very common number in old-world aesthetics, particularly the cowboy era (which harkens back to medieval times) and older. This is because many very old counting systems were base twenty rather then ten.

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@@kinbolluck476 the fuck are you even trying to say

@@damiannichols1250 ALL KF THE THINGS VRO

@@kinbolluck476 English dude

I think Joshua would've pulled a Horrigan and just be unable to be talked out of violence.

There's a mod currently working on that exact concept, simply called "Fallout 4: New Vegas"

FNV “story” is really short, it basically just revolves around preparing for Hoover Dam, however the RPG elements are amazing and surpass so many games

Honestly modded NV has gameplay equal to fallout 4s

​@@ChukedYeah honestly. For the longest time I figured Fallout was actually quite a long game but if you just follow the main quest, you can get to Hoover Dam pretty soon after killing Mr. House.

@@cynicat74all those super ambitious mods never see the light of day it’s like skyblivon where they are putting oblivion up to Skyrim’s gameplay and graphics they’ve been “working” on that for like a decade

New Vegas is great, but you’ve got to read better books if this outclasses them

Better start reading more books then

@@lf4227 there's just something special about new Vegas for me. When I was a kid I lived in the same area as the game took place. I also revisit new Vegas constantly, never done that with a book or movie. Could you recommend me a few of your favorite books to read? I'd love to see if something could take new Vegas's place in my heart

If you want some more of the desert landscape described, Cormac McCarthy’s Blood Meridian or Border trilogy would be great. If you want just the hallucinogenic wonkery of some of New Vegas’s bleakest and wildest moments, Ralph Ellison’s Invisible Man is wild. Desert acid dystopians like David Ohle’s Motorman, Tatiyana Tolstoya’s The Slynx. If you like the heartbreaking and fucked tales of the Vaults, then goods more like Lord of the Flies and The Sound and the Fury will do

2010: Guys play Fallout: New Vegas. 2023: Those same girls still play Fallout: New Vegas.

you can talk to him about a decent amount of stuff not just this conversation you should try it out.

Or has personally killed before joining the Legion and after (as punishment for battle losses/discipline)

Include the fact that they made this in a year and its absurd

@@xAquaTiicXx With Fallout 3's buggy game engine at that.

@@ZHBraden13Which is the same buggy mess from morrowind too. just improved or smth and with a bit of spit and ducktape.

Honestly given his dialogue I wouldn't be surprised if Lanius killed Caesar himself at the end of this. Your speech convinces him that Caesar is about to metaphorically throw the Legion off the Hoover Dam just to take the Mojave, and he doesn't seem to share that desire to immediately claim what is little more to a primitive society than concrete.

The bartering option states that he can take the west but doing so will destroy the legion as they will be spread like the bear

The thing about letting the Legion muster their troops to push the Hoover Dam with more people is, that still buys the NCR time to work with the Boomers and get some artillery aimed East. Yes, Caesar's Legion would come back stronger, but that just doubles the losses they'll take -- at little to no additional investment on the NCR's part. Telling Lanius to bugger off will set the two factions down that path. One with merely more slaves and no new firepower, the other with more numbers and more firepower. Also, it's always funny watching the Legate just pull an Usain Bolt and run abruptly.

You forgot that Caesar is dying. in 6 months, a year on the outside, the Legion will shatter and burn as every Centurion on up will start fighting each other for the throne.

the legion regrouping also gives NCR the chance ot regroup...so even if he does return, it still doesn't guarantee that his force will be that much larger, or more dangerous, than the NCR's....and thats even more true if you've sided with house.

Just had a thought - if Josh Graham and Robert House came to some sort of agreement, we might see KILLER MORMON DEATH ROBOTS (the Mk 1 "Danite" Class and Mk 2 "Destroying Angel").

@@paulsmith5752 that would be s awesome, gonna buy it day one 🥲

THIRD BATTLE OF HOOVER DAMN BAYBEEEEEEE

Did you watch the video bro, he didn’t say anything like that, he reminds you that he’s just another legion dog that failed and not worth the time to seek out, Ulysses doesn’t not like graham he sees right through the bs even graham was expecting him at one point.

Bethesda (or miscrosoft?) really should just give obsidian the rights to fallout lol.

​@@clintrocker111Microsoft owns both Bethesda and Obsidian, so probably not necessary

​@@clintrocker111 Ob fell off at Outer Worlds

The problem is that this is a old game so idk if the people in charge now can create the same magic, unfortunately

Though if anyone is deserving of death, I feel like you could make a convincing argument for it to be Lanius.

i AM lord death upon murder mountain

@@donovankeeney3835 You do realize if you *kill* everyone that fucks with you. No one is alive to tell anyone that everyone dies who fucks with you, right?

It’s called terrifying presence my boy u should try it!

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What he said about him is right on point tho, basically implying that the worst did happen to him, living life as a failure in cave.

@@an0970 It is from a certain point of view however what Ulysses couldn't have known is that Joshua would rise up from that hell and be redeemed. Joshua has overcome his failures by the time we see him in Zion Valley. Joshua's demons still linger but Joshua has let go of his failures and made himself a better person for it.

I know it’ll never happen, but a game where the courier becomes the new ruler of the Mojave and prepares for war with the legion would be awesome.

Just like the end of MGS4 lol

iirc that's how fallout 1/2 did speech

@@VimyGlide Int 1 being unable to actual talk was good. It's fun how Obsidian tried to do it again in Outer Wild just to fuck it up.

This... literally just not showing players what is anad what isnt persuating check would make coversationsway more immersive. thinking about some good old 1998 Fallout stuff. Pretty sure it worked like that - you got some percentile, you got some charisma and reputation and most importantly, the dialogue options are significantly effected by intelligence and you better read it carefully, bcs its theres no highlighted options in coversations...

100 guns and explosive bullets, imagine being that bad and boring at the game 😂😂😂 use the other guns in the game brody.

Nope. Tried both ways to complete Honest Hearts but there’s no new dialogue

He probably already knows

@@dethpepper8595 yeah right wasn't he sent to kill him or am I misremembering lore from a mod?

@@derain95 Not sure if he was specifically sent to kill him, but Caesar did indeed send many of his agents after Graham, none returned. So perhaps it's as he said in the dialogue, no good would have come of pursuing the Burned Man. It would make sense if he knew Graham was alive all along.

generic ass comment said 1000 times. maybe you're just stupid and didn't pay enough attention when you played

There's a new one coming?

@@imhulki463 no. There’s not.

Well to be fair, an anti-material rifle is something you use against a tank, let alone a person

"Can't believe that this so called powerful bear, so hyped up to be the strongest land mammal is so weak. They couldn't even take a whole nuke."

@@goncalocarneiro3043 Yeah, a bear you drop in a couple shots would be a shit final boss as well lol, what's your point?

Anti material rifle? Bruh, just go Jackie Chan on his ass for like 8 seconds

@@wyrdean_9649 puny legate I guess lul Joshua would survive 🥱

Rudy ENB with some custom ini tweaks and Realistic Wasteland lighting

No not really, he’s plan for Hoover damn was rushed, he even admitted to not having his full army with him, that’s why he said he would see you next time, let’s not forget you can easily save ceaser so.