Megan Thee Stallion & The Media Misogynoir | Tory Lanez Trial Part 2 

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Chile, they were all but blaming her for being in the path of the bullets smh. In this trial, there have definitely been people seeking confirmation bias, in the pursuit of videos and stories both absolving Tory and condemning Megan. A disturbing amount simply wanted Meg to be the villain, and while Meg is not the "perfect victim" (that doesn't exist), she was and is a recovering victim and some people just refuse to accept that.

I’ve been saying this for days. They don’t need to prove Tory intentionally shot Meg. The charges are possession of a unregistered firearm, gross negligence with a deadly weapon, and shoot with intent to cause bodily harm. It doesn’t matter if the shots weren’t exactly directed at Megan the fact is she got hurt due to Tory’s recklessness. I don’t understand how people can’t understand the law and the charges brought against Tory. All they need to prove is it’s Tory’s gun and that he shot it

Great analysis! My key takeaways are: - Many reputable black publications were silent until the verdict was rendered, and some remain silent. - Gender solidarity often trumps race solidarity; some black men would rather believe Tory simply because he is a man, though Megan is also black. - Many women may struggle with internalized misogyny, given their defense of Tory. - For some, no matter what evidence is presented, when their beliefs are challenged, they are more likely to cling tighter to their theories than accept a more logical one.

I think the thing that terrified me the most about Meg's experience, is that I haven't heard not one statement by a female rapper about it. Not Queen Latifah, Lil Kim, Lauryn Hill, Missy Elliott, etc etc. Not one female artist she collaborated with either had made a public statement acknowledging the mysogyny of it all. Terrible. I'm just disappointed.

The radio silence of "reputable" black publications, bloggers and radio was the same during the R. Kelly trial in New York as well. Even the biased sites did not cover it.

0:53 this right here!!!! people don’t talk about it but since megan blew up, people. on social media ( especially on twitter ) have been looking for an excuse or for a character flaw to demonize megan over. first it was she was too friendly, then it became “oh megan’s a social climber” to “oh megan’s an alcoholic” and that has all lead up to the BS we have rn. as sad as it is, ofc people went out of their way to assassinate her character because they’ve been doing that since tina snow. that’s why this whole “oh people don’t critique meg enough” mess just screams red flag to me because 1.) people have 2.) people were already putting the effort into demonizing her long before tory shot her. now let me enjoy the rest of the video 🙏🏿💕

It's funny how the ones that spoke "I don't have a dog in this fight" haven't spoken on the 1501 win Meg had on Wednesday.

As a college drop out the one class I am grateful I took was my communications class it has really helped me understand the media landscape we live in

People forgetting the state of California Press charges and prosecuted him

🗣️DEFUND THE MANOSPHERE!!!!

Thanks for bringing this discussion to YT👍🏽 I am of the opinion, there are a noticeable number of BM who are not okay with BW loving and valuing themselves in a manner that is not dependent on the approval of the BM.

Rolling Stone was the only outlet I trusted at the end. They had an actual reporter covering it and doing it fairly

Great interview! It’s unfortunate how people get their information and is surprised when reality blows up in their faces. For some reason, Tory Lanez was the hill to die on. The one who have a history in violence. I’m happy Megan got justice. I love your channel and keep up the excellent work.

This is nasty business, now I have to scrounge up some pennies and sub the Patreon because I've got to hear this entire conversation! 😂

How Zimife said how the hip-hop industry is heavily misogynistic, it worries me because a lot of boys and men from other countries including my little brother which is Mexican and lives in Mexico listens to hip hop a lot and even says the n word in songs even thou when I tell him not to and he says he has black friends which are specifically black men that say to him is fine to say the n word. I'm not saying all of hip hop is bad but I do think there needs to be an accountability and awareness on how certain aspects of hip hop influence young boys and men into replicating misogynistic world views, talking points and attitudes that end up affecting negatively everyone who is not a cis het men

I was surprised by the verdict bc ppl have been proving just how stupid they are, so I was afraid they would let him off.

It's really interesting that you noted the absence of coverage from reputable black outlets. I THINK THIS CHANNEL CAN FILL THE VOID. Watching your channel grow, I feel like you consistently deliver the sharpest takes on pop cultural news, giving context and clarity to whatever topics are being discussed. I'm not aware of any other platform (on RU-vid or beyond) that offers this quality of commentary along with the education, expertise, and credentials to back it up. In my (random RU-vid comment section) opinion, as this channels grows, I'd love to see even more coverage of black news and topics from you and your colleagues' perspective because your right, theshaderoom is not the news no matter how big of an outlet they are. (I don't expect this channel to turn into The Young Turks, but I think your voice and platform are powerful and important and extremely timely and I definitely am looking forward to more content like this) I guess I need to go ahead and sub to the patreon now...

You know what I've always found hilariously sad? Bro code is men backing up other men no matter what, yet girl code is relugated to simply not sexually/romantically engaging with another woman's man. There's nothing about backing each other up or defending one another from an outside group or anything. Like, we women as a collective really don't care about each other at all. We only care that we don't impede on one another's proximity to men, pursuit of men or the male gaze. That's the only way that a woman can know that another woman was shot but be more concerned with who that woman gave vaginal access to. I saw so many comments from women whose main gripe about this entire thing was that Megan slept with someone Kelsey had also slept with and might have liked. As if access to men is so sacred that it should supercede our own fidelity to the group we belong to: black women. Men, regardless of race, do not do this for women, but black women can't wait to toss another black woman aside for just a piece of a low quality man. So when I hear other black women say "We're on our own", I really need for us to understand that for a large portion of us, this means we're on our own individually, not together as a group. There are too many treacherous black women walking around with brains as smooth, shiny and untextured as these misogynistic men. Embarrassing.

This is sooo refreshing like I literally read the transcripts 😮‍💨😮‍💨😮‍💨 and I do not understand why ppl don't want this criminal in jail. It's weird and scary

Great conversation, ladies! She hit the nail on the head when speaking about the "boys club".

I died @ “Hope his soul is not resting.”😮‍💨🤣

Great commentary. Many in RU-vid land are seriously suffering from the CSI Effect. Some of the arguments against the evidence are absolutely ridiculous.

The Shade Room always positions its "reporting" with the prompt "thoughts"? Which makes it seem as though opinions hold the same weight as actual facts, when they don't..

The way the black blogs covered this was disgusting. This case really opened my eyes on how people need to actually read from actual journalists and sources, not bloggers. And black publications like Essence remaining quiet angered me alot. They should've been covering the case but nope, they remained silent the entire time.

I hate that folks have targeted her just because she is a Black Woman...that's all. I had to drop contact with a ton of folks.

Y’all broke it down amazingly, now people see how social media killing our community 😞

Belief perseverance I think is the term and backfire effect. I've seen articles on how to convince someone even when "Facts" fail....

I believe she is referring to research related to a type of confirmation bias. A part of social psychology that speaks about influence, persuasion, and decision making.

TSR does a good job of being objective?!?! Since when?! They are clearly misogynistic and colorist.

It's sad that misinformation travels so fast. The evidence speaks for itself.

Digital misinformation. Great quote.

Great follow up. I came across a 6 min+ video on the PBS newshour which was really good(2days ago). It’s disappointing re Ebony/ Essence’s dropping the ball😔

Thank you for putting this out! Everybody showed they ahh.

It is amazing that the black channels and other media weren't covering this case and others out there.

Not you posting a greatest hits reel for the plebeians 🤣🤣🤣

I could find 100 YT lawyers covering the JD v AH case, with daily live court play by play. But I had to turn into a private investigator to find a video doing a brief recap of this case. I was so thankful when you posted your video because I refused to read anything no jumper had to post.

I almost feel like Torys lawyers used bots, etc because the hate had me in tears, how they treated Meg.

Please bring her on again !!! I loved the discussion ❤❤❤

I have deleted most blogs and news pages from my SM. It was the comments. You don’t have to scroll far.

Is it the Dunning-Kruger Effect that Professor Zimife is speaking of in the beginning about why trying to disprove misinformation to some people doesn’t work?

You are doing the Lord’s work! Thank you for your coverage and this interview!

@11:42 I was so upset and disappointed in Lebron too and the are black women celebrities who are not speaking on this issue either. They should be LOUD about this. We need to protect each other.

Newly discovered your channel and never subscribed to a patreon so quick….I loved this discussion

"perfect storm" is exactly it. this situation feels aligned with what i been feeling--- that it's time for very focused, internal/communal work

You foul putting part 2 on patreon😂

These conversations in the manosphere and the hate toward BW has been on RU-vid since I know, 2008. It just wasn’t popular then. It was more underground and niche. But those of us who viewed black RU-vid back then know. And the shade room is very anti BW.

I think the term Zimife was looking for is cognitive dissonance. It means people still double down on a idea even when faced with evidence that what they think is not true. It's because we experience disequillibrium when faced with the new info that completely contrast what we think. So instead of standing in the feeling and managing it they do the complete opposite.

Man! This was getting me going and then it hit me with a pay wall lol ❤ I support your work

I've never heard of the manosphere. Sounds like a gas station bathroom that needs to be cleaned.

What breaks my heart about this case is that before this I thought finally hip hop is getting the equality it so desperately needs. I hope Megan gets the space and grace to heal with or without the public’s input. I hope that we as tribes (black, women, hip hop and the intersections) have proper introspection in how we move forward. Because right now these figures’ words are hot air; when the call for us to be better remains unanswered, or worse, rejected.

A great discussion.

Agree 10000000% if possible.

glad we got this, thanks!

What I want is for BW to realize that there is a lot happening behind closed doors because they’re all saying the same things. The so-called high value when I meet some of them is like they’re reading from the same book ladies be very careful. Listen don’t get caught up so much on good looks and great careers, slow down and pay attention. Listen to what they’re saying be wise.

Been waiting for this.

According to an OkayPlayer article, Essence Magazine is under the parent company of Essence Communications, LLC, and this LLC is owned by Essence Ventures, LLC which was founded by Richelieu Dennis, the former CEO of the magazine. The article says that Essence Magazine is back to being 100%-black owned. So, again, this information could lead back to the points of: "where was Black media in all this?"

This case truly triggered me in ways I didn't expect. I need people to understand that it doesn't matter the age, status, or innocence of the victim. The same way people reacted to and treated Megan being shot is the EXACT SAME reaction/treatment I received when I told that I was molested at 9 by my family friend's father, who had also been molesting his own daughter. My life was threatened (again, I was 9) and I was bullied and mistreated long after his abuse, mostly by the women in his family. Because my uncle had married into this family, I was forced to be around them even though I wanted nothing to do with them (another story for another day). On no level was I protected and I was constantly put in the position to consider the consequences of the adult's actions before my own safety. This mess runs so deep and it has made me very distrusting of people to this day. I cried when the verdict came out. Meg deserves love, support, and protection and I'm rooting for her to win.

I really enjoyed this video

I've noticed in the past year that whoever runs Essence media is disturbing.

Would there ever be a case for restorative justice to be upheld in a case like this? Or is that not allowed at the federal level?

Worthy of note that a fair share of those bloggers get payed with money and/or access to work as shill, for whomever is trying to sway public opinions.

The Me Too movement ignoring a black woman who was the victim of extreme violence is the least surprising part of 2022.

One podcaster Vlad, said Meg was taller and 100 heavier than Lanez and doubted her story. Others said he was just shooting in the air and it he didn't mean to do it. He apparently aimed and shot her foot..amh.

I feel like there must be accountability to the blogs who push this narrative of lies.

¡Gracias!

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It is very, very, very sad that so e women will side with these types of guys. They think they are the "ride or die" chick. Just fools and🤡🤡

This is how I learned Kevin Samuels died, half a year late.

I wonder how this all with affect her career - writing this reflecting on the wonderful guest's comments about the fear of being excluded in the boys club and the mysogynoire within the hip-hop/rap community. Who will she collaborate with, knowing they most likely or certainly didn't want Tory Lanes to be found guilty? I know she's partially doing it for profit... but I wonder how she reconcile this. Imagine being in an industry where .... almost everyone thought you were lying about being shot at... hm.

not this trial laying so many important things bare! like, not Essence just being a social media account when it counts type shii... lol liiiike...

There is a new audio of Lanez calling Kelsey at the hospital, asking where Meg was and apologizing ? Very suspicious

I appreciate the vocabulary word. 😄

Been waiting on this

Essence outta be ashamed of themselves!

Try Roland S. Martin for better black news. I love hip hop, but it has confirmation biases, too, and is often not the best at treating women right. People who need a pack rarely speak their own thoughts . 🤔

That one lawyer was biased as hell and I didn't realize he was close to Tory's camp until midway through the trial. A lot of stuff he was reporting on was conflicting what was actually being testified. I listened to people that were actually reporting facts.

Commitment BIas is what its called I think

You thought they would be SILENT?! Did you somehow miss the Bill Cosby and R. Kelly eras?

I just popped over to the Essence Twitter to see what their coverage of the verdict is, and they literally put up 4 posts in support of Megan in the wake of the verdict. I'm not sure why Zimife is making it sound like Essence is pro Tory or anti Meg. This makes me doubt her credibility.

In the beginning, I think y’all are talking about information-deficit model

Yeah he did it! We need a Rap Battle!

Where are the court transcripts then to show that witness saying he shot in the air?

The main talk in the manosphere wasn't that Meg wasn't shot. It was that it was Meg's friend shot her instead of Torey.

@11:48 this right here…weak

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I feel like the media didn't cover it bc of the amber heard trial. We can't act like the tactics weren't the same 🤷‍♀️

Love love love. Only thing, I wish we could stop getting stuck on the fact that black women taught to hate themselves, hate other black women. We know. It's not white people who make us cringe when they say anti black things. It's us. It's always going to be your own. Why? We Know. Like....let's really talk about why that is because of course the same things making these men hate us us also making black women hate us and themselves. We really don't have time to be like...always ending the convo on, "It be your own." Ya know. We can't save em all but we can explain to the ones we can save WHY they may feel how they do. And yes, misinformation, the people in power thrive on that.

i know numerous black men that were out spoken about their feelings on Tory, i don't think its fair to generalize all black men as 'misogynoir' i'll just see myself out though

This is a great conversation and glad you are having it. But now I don’t understand even more your commentary on Megan Merkle. Not cool at all

Confirmation bias.

I thought you were going to talk about the details of the case. Is there a video on that? besides just your opinions? Because the case seemed to be really weird as to what really happened that night.

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What about her best friend who Meg slept with her men behind her back and called her best friend mother F... So protecting black women is just for famous black women right?

Megan is a liar ! She been telling lies for two years about what happened that night 🥴 Megan was sleeping with Tory & going on vacations with him behind her best friend back 😂 got on the stand & couldn’t remember nothing 😂😂 Kelsey got immunity pleaded the fifth she also couldn’t remember anything 😂 She herself said her back was turned on her IG post & said she heard dance B something no one else heard but her smh 🤦‍♀️ Tory doesn’t deserve to be locked up for this mess she made because she was drunk

I listen across all sides of the spectrum, I can spit the boned out of some black manosphere stuff. I can do the same for some BW content.

Megan calls herself the B-word. I have no respect or regard for any woman who proudly identifies themselves with the B-word.

Did she get shot? Yes. But can we agree tht it’s hard to really say there’s proof Tory did when the other girl shot first. The witness said it and they all forgot about this part. Hmmm

Wishing a dead man, who hasn’t done a single thing to you, to not rest in peace is a new level of low. There’s nothing wrong with disagreeing with Kevin but show some respect to the dead.

We had generations of unchecked misandry and the manosphere is a response. The last thing we need is research on it from the ‘feminist perspective’ which is like analyzing Black liberation from the Klan perspective. Feminism has emerged as a oppressive cultural force in its own right. Black feminist war on Black men in particular is the most revealing in terms of epistemic injustice.