Melee lost its charm. 

There's a not insignificant amount of "clips of Mew2King getting bodied" to "stage is now banned per backrooms" on this list, I'm just saying

Legalize Pokefloats

I wanna watch a Smash tourney where hundreds of dollars are on the line and the guy who came second got hit by a stage hazard because he was too distracted trying to pick up a Master Ball.

Gah damn Coney hitting us with the deep human psychology lesson when he was talking about the backroom thing lol

Fun fact: the “banzai bill” from the Mario movie was actually called a “boomer bill” Some people seem to think Boomer bill is a replacement for the Banzai bill and it’s actually the same enemy,… but it’s not. It’s a unique type of bill and the Banzai still exists. How do I know this? Because the Boomer bill is a reference to the Lego Mario sets. Lego Mario invented a new type of bill because Bullet bills were too small and Banzai bills were too big for the Lego set. So they made a middle ground enemy. And they put that in the movie for some reason

While I mostly get the reasons stages are the way they are in melee, ultimate's legal stage list kills me. The game has like 50+ stages and not even 10 of them are legal. They could just allow the battlefield and fd variations for the sake of different backgrounds, but some idiot will complain because you can wall-jump off the bottom end of certain ones, or the blastzones don't line up perfectly on each version.

toph used to counterpick to pokefloats and infinite people LMAO

Rishis Jungle Jam should be a more popular side-bracket. Such a fun format

You know what we should do to make melee have it's charm again? Add a new gamemode. A tailered one like Rishi's Jungle Jam.

The smash cut-ins were AWESOME. One of my favorite edits from a CONEY vid!

The contempt and venom towards Tingle was way too real.

Got into watching competitive Melee back in 2013 kinda because PS2 was legal. It made me think "oh cool these competitive players still respect the fact that Smash has funny stages, as long as it’s not too janky", it bridged my Smash experience until then and the competitive scene and hooked me

We need seasonal stage rotations and TO shouldn’t be afraid to make their tournament unique.

I love it when coney ditches his morals and smashposts for CONTENT

GOATed editing as usual. Keep killing it

the capcom jojo fighting game has different stages and which one you get is randomly picked depending on the characters, but the thing is differnet stages actually have different lengths corner to corner, so you’ll randomly have a stage that’s either two screens wide or eight. also one stage has a weird piece of decoration that’s in the foreground so you can hide behind it and it’s very funny

2050 Coney: It was in 2023 that I learned claptrap, a red one, appeared on

I remember seeing a tournament once where the rules were reverse legal stages in Melee That was a fun spectate

We used to have hype sets on Pokefloats and killed the Ice Climbers with that stage. Never forget what they took from us.

I miss Frigate Orpheon from Brawl :(

as much as i hate fox pickers, i feel like a lot of people in chat missed the point in thinking these bans were due to fox players whining, probably because the original video's framing is a little weird in some spots. the reality is that it was the opposite; everyone else complaining about foxes abusing 90% of the banned stages to make the game not fun to play. pretty win/win where we ended up but we should still bring rainbow cruise back

Coney saying his playstyle is now a raging bull, *smashing his head into his opponent* Honda clip checks out

Yoshi's Island 64 could have been legal if the cloud platforms weren't there

13:05 that does look rlly fun.... for the peach

i will play melee until the day i die it is an infinitely charming and interesting game from a competitive standpoint

A billionaire that comes into the melee scene, but their ruleset is legal Giga Bowser

I like the Cut ins with game footage, good editing 👍

4:57 Was not expecting that random Gura "A"... XD

Idk what this video is about but even though I've never played it and won't for a while, melee will never loose its charm to me because its community never looses its charm, i could hear meleehead stories for hours on end and not get bored, that's like 40% of why I LOVE the yard!

I’m glad this video is here. I feel like we could expand ultimates stage list and we could be more open minded about stages there. But the wrong guy will win once and the end.

The problem with a lot of these stages is “if a fox main is technical enough” why don’t we just ban fox

THE BACKROOMS 😱 1:35

Outside of a few examples, most fighting game players don’t play for fame or whatever like smash players do. It’s weird that they do. I guess when you start calling your top players “god” that will start to happen.

Backrooms were so cool growing up. It was always a dream to become a good enough player to get an invite, kinda like what you said lol. I became disillusioned with them around 2012 because I just wanted MK and Icies brought under control and realized it would never happen

I wish more people like alpharad would make casual tournaments. Those are just so fucking fun. Mind you if you wanted the billionaire to make the worst rules possible, make them do coin battles :P

It's a shame both players have to deal with the same hazards.

"Brawl's better" voice cracking kid Do wish there was some kind of format to allow more jank stages into some kind of format that people will stream cause genuinely it would be fun to watch matches on stages where various jank and shenanigans happen.

To the editor i like the little flares you did like puff jumoing up

Love the editing at 3:20, lmfao. 4:18 is my favorite part, though.

17:48 This aged incredibly after recent events

Gardevoir model is in 3DS pokedex. High Polygon count

The last part of this - big tournament, huge cash prizes all the way down, a ruleset no competitive player would willingly touch if not for the money? That's what I always hoped Nintendo would do. So you'd have the grassroots scene running its own thing for "competitive integrity", but then you have a Nintendo-run tournament series where people go to make money. And people would train for both. "Labbing items" would be a legitimate thing. Ideally the skill gap between a player that's been playing for 1-2 years and a player that's been playing for 5-10 would only be 60-40 in the veteran player's favor in the tournament with the RNG/hazards on - pros would win more often, but you'd never have a scenario where someone has 2+ years of experience, shows up to a tournament, and there's still no point in them plugging in the controller because one of the top 10 players of the game is just going to wipe them off the face of the earth and there's no chance for anything other than that to happen.

5:35 the arwings can change the angle of their wings so they could fit through that lil gap. Still smaller than it should be tho

Man.. after branching out into other fighting games from smash, wouldnt go back UNLESS im playing all items on with friends tbh

That backroom stuff seems like just a smash bros thing. I play Fighterz, Street Fighter, and Guilty gear and none of those communities have anything like that that I have seen.

Wait why was Brinstar banned? Outside of the lava that stage is fun af

I feel like stadium is more intrusive than other stages.... So unban the other stages :)

Coney's got balls for making this vid, thats all I gotta say.

why not just ban stage exploits and unsporting play rather than castrating the stage selection?

5:13 meanwhile most us ultimate players whine at slopes moving background, or platforms positioned in a way we havent seen before

🤓technically ganon does have two spikes but neither are stomp because thats a meteor but the last hit of his up air and his arial down b spike

Why did he say that randall wasnt named randall?

I dunno about _hating_ melee players, but how can you not _mock_ them?

Why is around 9.65% of Ultimate stages legal 🤔

Either these reasons are not the only reasons these stages are banned, OR we currently have no reason to have any banned stages in ultimate, bc almost every reason given does not apply to ultimate. Are walk offs really ONLY banned bc fox can wave shine? Well he can’t in ultimate. Are walls really ONLY banned bc shine infinites?? Again not in ultimate. So either there’s other reasons the guy didn’t say, or ultimate stages are banned for tradition.

I know about backrooms, I didn't know they didn't exist anymore!

17:00 As a melee head I say that getting into brawl scene was most definitely the correct choice in this scenario

13:35 coney.... gardevoir is in this game my guy!

I'm in the Yugioh community so talking about a game without financial compensation moving towards clout-chasing kinda hits home.

Why isn’t wuhu legal still 🙄

Loved the Pokemon Colosseum music during the Pokemon Stadium discussion!! LMAO.

I love how much of Melee and Brawl's history and bans is just M2K, Mango, and other top players not wanting things or getting beat

Melee should just fully say fuck nintendo and use those custom 20xx stages

14:50 what’s the song? Isn’t it from mario sunshine?

Coney : “Waaaa 😢😢 I hate melee and that cloud is not called Randall Waaaa

Sup Fellas! It’s a good day when there’s a coney upload 🔥

17:48 Literally how I play most of the time in ANY competitive game. Bull Fight approach.

I'll need to remember "Like a raging bull" since that's how I also play these days. Though in Ultimate I also main Bowser so yeah he's combo food at first, but every single stock you WILL be fighting a Bowser with rage and one that fights like a man with nothing to lose.

How is it on Luminosity Mr Coney Zeeks?

3:36 really said “venom” in _that_ voice

Brawl players STAY winning.

Kongo Jungle would be dope if you kept the barrel, remove the water and change the bottom platform.

2:08 my boi repping Abe's Odyssey? Based.

I miss Anther’s ladder and netplay bedore Slippi. Played way more teams and sometimes with items on every stage. Was way more fun than going full sweat 1v1.

idk but I feel like every time I see some le epic ultimate clip online it's on PS2 or Smashville. A little variety would be nice tbh.

I still play Temple with my other competitive friends, we only play in the middle and bottom area

See, 80% of the stages are banned because 80% of the stages are fun to play on

I was hoping this was about Tony's quest to become the next big donkey Kong in melee

#Unbanpokefloats

They're freezing Pokemon Stadium i don't see why certain other stages can't work when frozen

Hey does anyone know where the stage tier list is?

well it is an old game lol

Calling a klap trap an alligator 😢

I mean. Isnt the same for ultimate? We have like 8 stages and some are so cool but dont get used

10:10 I thought he was a dragonfly!

Wait, there was a stage tier list?

I think what’s great about melee is that the barrier of entry keeps people like coney out hahaha…. But fr

4:19 He did NOT enjoy buying this dude's maps in Majora's Mask, or Wind Waker.

I swear Coney is related to Studstill

Remember when Alpharad made all those silly custom portal stages and brought it to a Summit and all the pro players just kept picking the pokemon stadium stage and ruined the event? I think Smash players just hate anything that doesn't conform to their no items, fox only, final destination mindset

>Melee lost its charm Well yeah, it turned 18 and the community lost interest

Hmmmm a title and thumbnail that greatly supports the smash community, glad to see it!

Just have certain characters autoban certain stages?

so if im somewhat decent at the game and i lose to someone i can get a stage banned forever,,,, we're only playing on flat zone now

this editing is kinda goin CRAZY

Melee would be peak if the top players all mained g&w kirby

Coney complaining that melee players are lame and should unban more stages, then goes through each stage one by one and realizing exactly why they’re banned

I thought I was the only one who thought the castle was a melee reference 😅

Melee and Cony have one thing in common. they are goated

Based editor with the Pyrite Town theme