Best thing about this channel is that "new" isn't confused with "better." The next best thing, might not be better, and a healthy dose of honesty goes along way in car reviews.
BEST at it with these guys. It’s unbiased clear and transparent reviews. They know what they are reviewing! They know who it’s for, these guys are REAL enthusiasts.
You are the first person other than me that I’ve seen explicitly make that assertion in the comments section of a video! New is not necessarily better, and older is not necessarily worse. ✌️
First review I have seen of this that is honest and brutal at the same time. Normally, reviewers are all about Oooh…screens, ooooh batteries. You guys have my respect.
@@gioamad5012 I agree. Throttle House and Savagegeese are the only two most realistic car reviewers in my books. I missed their review. Need to go hunt it down.
Its hard because you know Mercedes dumped well over a billion on this plus likely 50 million on marketing. They are serious about it, but honestly it does not translate well with this car.
Perhaps the greatest week in SG history. Awesome Nissan Z documentary, Ferrari 360 with mullets, and now truly savage with this overpriced electronic debacle.
Unfortunately you're pretty much right. I don't see it going any other way. It's like every car is designed by the same gay Chinese AI. EVs are the death of the traditional car industry that we all know and love. Tesla's are the most boring cars but people lust after them because they got no mother fuckin taste
This IS the channel I've been looking for. All of my old favorites have turned greedy, everything is behind a paywall, or "on-demand"...this is MY perfect show. Thanks guys! Keep up the great work.
Anyone else think these new (ultra luxury) minimalist interiors can’t even hold a candle to the materials these same companies used 10 years ago. I just feel like all these screens are starting to look like what they really are (a cheap alternative) rather than a cool feature.
Definitely agree. I'm not a Tesla fanboy, far from it, but I have to say the Model 3 is so far the only design that has a good looking "minimalist" dash. Just a big screen and clean lines, often with a nice looking wood trim. It's honest, clean and also thankfully lacks the stupid strip club lighting that the Germans are so fond of.
I totally agree. Overblown technology is not luxury; it's just gimmickry. Audi seems to be doing it right with their new A8 (integrated screens, calmly and cleanly arranged.) Although I haven't seen one in person yet. I sat in a new w223 S-class and was thoroughly disappointed in the materials; it looked no better finished than a Cadillac (albeit with motion activated mood lighting!) It's a real shame for a Benz guy like me to admit it, but Mercedes has lost the plot.
So true. It's kind of funny to watch someone review a car 'honestly' when the company has invited them out to their test track and given them VIP treatment. :)
The thing I'm having a hard time understanding is that the target market for a car like this would traditionally be someone 50+ and likely even older. With the over infiltration of tech in the car I have a hard time imagining older people quickly learning and feeling good about the tech features. Even myself as a 30 something year old would likely find it overwhelming and intrusive.
20 somethings won't be able to afford this unless parents buy it for them.....to be fair, some 50+ folks who feel adventurous may buy it. I saw 1 on the road in Shenzhen driven by a 60 year old man.
Fair questions to ask. I think the market for the ELS is likely the same as the S-Class buyer and your point about age and complexity are valid. What gets me about so much tech is that its an engineering solution to something nobody asked for so you end up with a million features that you set and forget. There are some features that just need to stay simple and not require digging into an interface then selecting.
I'm pushing 50 and I have zero desire to interact with all that shiny plastic. One screen in the middle for maps and tunes is all a car needs IMO, if that.
To talk about a car that's completely opposite to the EQS-I really hope you guys review the BMW F90 M5 CS. I get a feeling Mark will like that a lot more than he did the Competition, and heck of a lot more than this... used soap bar.
@@justinmaccreery2490 I love the original Citroen DS and other classic Citroens up to the XM, so I'm a big fan of using Kammback shapes and aerodynamic styling over three-box saloons (through three-box saloons aren't the worst: two-box hatches, two-box wagons and two-box SUVs are the worst for aerodynamics, a sloping rear roofline reduces drag considerably). IMO it's a good thing that the EQS uses an aerodynamic shape, more buyers ought to appreciate the importance of reducing drag at highway speeds (given aerodynamic drag accounts for upwards of 90% of power consumption at highway speeds, so a 10% reduction in drag is rewarded almost 1:1 in reduced energy consumption).
@@bassfan71 Nah, it's just a German French car. I could easily imagine this car with a DS (Citroen's prestige brand) badge on it. The old DS5 hatchback has a similar rounded shape, the window line of the EQS is similar to the old Citroen C6 luxury sedan too. Not all German cars have to be conservative! :)
@@stormdancer1910 It absolutely matters. Look at the Tesla Model 3. You get better range with the 18" wheels than the 19" and better with the 19" than the 20". All 3 come with the same tire. The tire portion of the drag should actually be less for the larger wheels because they should have higher air pressure. The surface area of the inside of the wheel is a major factor, especially because the spinning causes it to be very turbulent.
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What confuses me is that by law you can't use your phone, but it's OK to have those big screens all that info distracting you, and if you used them you know that you have to take your eyes of the road to do simple things. And in two or three years if a single chip or connection goes wrong it's junk no one will be able to repair that.
Two points: One: Every automaker with the exception of one always uses AEC rated electrical components which have a much longer end of life than consumer components. Two: I can walk into any Mercedes dealer and order OEM parts for my 1979 240D.
@@chrislim7976 I can't predict what Mercedes Classic Center will do in 2060 but the original point that parts will be unavailable in 2-3 years is bunk when Mercedes does one of the best jobs of any manufacturer supporting older cars.
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@@chrislim7976 he thinks that Mercedes will have supply of chips and screens in 30 years or still have the machines that makes them, this is true in classic cars becouse parts are easy to make, chips aren't easy to make a require an entire building do make them. And this will never be a classic.
Which is good, nothing wrong with that! Reducing drag is very, very, very important. I guess the Citroen C6 (Citroen's old flagship luxury car) has a little bit of a similar bulbous look to it like this EQS. Perhaps the EQS is more French car than German car, but oh well finally time for the Germans to learn from the French! Ironically these days the flagship Citroen DS9 has a boring three-box shape unlike past flagship Citroens.
I love the honesty during the drive about how all cars go 0-60 in 4 seconds and all are silent. Pretty much what all cars are gonna be, so what makes them different from one another? We are moving into a very odd phase of the automotive realm here. Not something I'm interested in, but am curious to see what happens.
“In an S-Class you feel like a baller, like when you drive around in that Maybach you really feel like ‘man, I could go wipe some small business today’” Holy crap I was howling from that one hahaha
You both deserve the Academy award for best review of 2022. Amazing quality of content. Mercedes please build a mini van on this platform but make sure to consult with these guys before you make it.
Agreed. That was one of the reasons why I bought a Giulia. It has a screen, but it’s built into the dash and is hidden when turned off. The tablet garbage and screen overload needs to die. You only need a screen large enough to use carplay or android auto. You could just have a place for phones like AM Valhalla prototype interior.
@@JStryker7 the screen on my seven year old 370Z is good for showing me what song is playing and basically nothing else. The maps cost $200 per update and obviously no-one bothers to pay that to use a laggy interface with fewer features than a smartphone. So I have mounted my phone next to the screen just like I would have if there were no screen. In seven years I expect cars like this will have similar issues. It's not like you can get an aftermarket upgrade for the atrocity they've put in this car.
I haven't seen this car but from what you have shown here and what I have read, you are spot on. The technology could very quickly date. In a accident, this car will be written off as no dealership or body shop will ever be able to fix it and re program all the modules and sensors. I am running as hard as I can the other way and looking for simplicity. I have been driving for 40+ years, I don't need all this technology or a car that drives itself.
As a generalization, the Germans do not understand user interface design. In contrast, the Apple paradigm is, more or less, if you have to read the manual, it's too complicated. The BMW/Mercedes paradigm is, more or less, look how clever our engineers were in redesigning things that didn't need to be redesigned; automating features that only work in designed-for conditions; and you'll enjoy reading hundreds of pages of manuals to appreciate the cleverness.
"Lucid"... Really, dude?? Come on, this rookie brand is totall bullshit compared to a industry leader like Mercedes-Benz! Lucid is just a total rookie company and will have the same flaws and disgusting and questionable build quality like all the Tesla models, (just look what Tesla has "achieved" in nine years of building the Model S: it's still the most ridiculous and awful build quality in the industry, dude!). Mercedes-Benz actually is lightyears ahead in making a really good car and make a car really work and totally safe! Lucid is just a fucking rookie in the industry, which will have to learn A LOT, period! You really must be totally blinded, dummy! The big problem with people like you is: you have no fucking clue about making a car at this level and you seriously take "Lucid" as a competitor for a Mercedes-Benz?? This is so fucking ridiculous!🤣 Mercedes-Benz has much more ressources than shitty Lucid has, dude. Mercedes-Benz enineers know one or two things more about TRUE cars than a rookie in this industry. Americans are so superficially onedimensional when it comes to understand the complexity of a car like the EQS, that it's almost funny! Do you really think that shitty Lucid will have a better quality than an EQS? Good luck, sir! Lucid was forced to make it's first try EV very flashy and quite superficially "beautiful", but the truth is that this EV doesn't have substance at all! It isn't as quiet inside, it doesn't have the same luxury level, it doesn't have the same upperclass materials like the EQS! It's just a superficially car from a new EV maker.. That's all. Mercedes-Benz as the very first carmaker on this planet has a tradition of more than 120 years of building real CARS, but not just a fucking heavy and soulless battery on wheels like Tesla and Lucid are doing!
Even with the "new manufacturer" build quality issues, which are nowhere near as bad as Telsa, it's still a more impressive vehicle because of the engineering that went into space optimisation and an aerodynamic look that doesn't look idiotic. Their small package electric motors are impressive as well.
Really? I mean honestly quite a lot what I dont like that much about this car are not really bettet in the Lucid. Plus they are more Things that I worry might not be that good. Lucids are way to rare. There are not many in depths reviews and especially long term reviews so it is still hard to judege them tbf.
Thinking about buying a pre-owned EQS in the next year or two. Waiting for all thos leases to hit the market and drive the price down. This the best review of the car I have found. Very unbiased pros and cons. Thanks!
@@timonxDlol and that's a matter of personal opinion. Plus the symplistic design of the Lucid isn't for everyone. I just think it looks so much better than the EQS.
@@coflyer2949 you are right it´s a lot about personal opinion. The lucid looks more normal sedanish, but looks very asian to me like a hyundai sedan or something like that.
@@coflyer2949 I also see the boxy lincoln. Something in between I guess. Just nothing that costs 200k+. The EQS looks weird and ugly, but at least expensive if that makes sense.
EXCELLENT and HONEST review. I love it, Mark. I agree with you completely. Hyundai costs $80,000 less. I just don't see the $80,000 difference. Thank you.... great job.
Yes, but remember the people that buy MB and BMW's mainly buy them for status. You could put BMW badging on a KIA Forte and people who care about status and what others think of them would buy it.
@@ronnie_5150 okay let's not exaggerate, it's not really like that. A large amount of Mercedes owners are complaining about creaks and plastics in their cars' interiors. If people only cared about status nobody would complain.
can you imagine...an S Class with a hatch back? Why not just go all the way and get an SUV? The S Class has always been my favorite vehicle on the road but not this version
@@joshharrison1160 I'll take a hatch over a trunk any day. A trunk makes no logical sense. You are literally restricting so much space for no reason. I will never understand how sedans became so popular over wagons and hatches.
Why is it that I pick up my phone because it falls on the floor while stopped at a red light, and I get a ticket for distracted driving, but you can slap 3 tablets on the dash that keep flashing shit at your screen and it’s “the future”. Clearly what the Na’vi wanted. Also, the RU-vid chat was a nice touch, thank you.
What doesn't make sense is that keep putting these complicated systems into these luxury cars, but guess what? The people who can afford it are way too old or to busy to learn how to use any of it. Meaning it either won't get used or cause driver frustration. What the heck is the point?
6:24 Thats indicative of all their interiors. I just test drove an E63 Vs M5 and I found the AMG to be creeky and plasticky where ever I touched it. Sure it looked good but the moment you touched it. Creeeeeek. I was very turned off by it. The E55 was my dream car and now that I'm able to afford this stuff new I went to test drive it and found my hero to be a POS. I say that w/ honesty. The M5 was buttoned down rock solid. Then I TD a 911 lol I settled on the LC500 after all that. I don't regret it one bit. Id have sex w/ that car if I could.
This exactly, I really don't know what Mercedes are doing with these interiors but I don't like it. I was pretty much decided on a C43 Coupe but thought I'd ask owners for their opinions on various forums, and the amount of owners criticizing creaks was alarming to me. This isn't acceptable on a car which carries that price and it's not just the C-class, everywhere I look it seems like Mercedes owners are complaining about creaks. It's true though that the A and C class had the most complaints for sure. Maybe they're more popular and that's why. Got a disgusting deal on a Z4 and never looked back.
Mark nailed it with his thoughts and review. The EV marketing machine is at full speed ahead...and not really for the better, but that’s a whole other argument.
I've been driving an EV for 2 years and bought one because I was seriously tired of wasting money on gasoline, that's it. now I commute daily for pennies on the dollar compared to before, it wasn't hard to make a change I wanted to. The hardest part about change is the first step, wanting to change and be willing to do it. Yes, people are pushing back on the EV over marketing and its creating angst with many people, because change is uncomfortable. Furthermore, I pulled the plug on garbage woke cable TV and any programming with a commercial on my TV, so I don't know what marketing machine everyone is talking about I was ready for change. Most EV's are just better cars, that do many things ICE cars can't nor even tried- end of story. Don't judge every EV by this video, this is an example of a German engineering demonstrator in the shape of an automobile and the German habit of over engineering everything into needless complexity is literally their calling card - not new at all. I've seen over complexity in German aircraft design, German cars and much more. Why is this car $140K? because they had to build a state of the art factory while designing everything new from the ground up. German automobile factories are a work of art, i've been to them. They represent the most modern and most automated processes humanly possible which has to be unimaginably expensive to design and build.
@@jefffaller8474 I appreciate your thoughts and in-depth feedback. Very good points. My daily eventually will be an EV. Too many short trips that kill ICE. My other issue is manual transmissions. I’m a diehard who just loves the art of driving and complexity of that hand and foot dance. Perhaps that’s something I won’t have to give up in my lifetime and keep for the weekends. I would love to see more synthetic fuel research because the exhaust sound (and intake) is a huge part of the experience for many enthusiasts.
Careful, there may be a future where glass is considered too dangerous and instead you get metal with a screen on the inside so that nothing you see of the ouside is natural. BTW, a Hyundai i20 startles you with a ding-ding-ding on startup for seemingly no reason until you realize it is alerting you that it is cold outside. 🤦
@@Dowlphin That is, unfortunately, a great point lol. Erosion of freedom and genuine connection with the world/other people, all in the name of safety and efficiency! This is the trajectory of our world right now, and I really hope more people realize that the pot we’re in is getting dangerously close to a boil… I found myself consistently checking my phone to see what temperature it was before I went outside, rather than just stepping outside. I deleted the weather app from my phone for a month to retrain myself and it has worked!
I have a horrible feeling future cars are going to be designed around the people that design them and not the people that drive them...meaning that algorithms are the future customer.
I feel like architecture has gone the same trend since WWII. Buildings designed to win awards, but don’t hold a candle to the beauty of the pre-war stuff.
@@danielrd7493 That's because the people who control the major industries are hateful. hateful to the core. They are subversives and destroyers and then convince you their ideas are good. WW2 was being fought against these people but the wrong people won the war. They do not think of the rest of us as human but as cattle, as slaves.
The Germans are trying hard to nail down the high-end EV market. I think Porsche has the lead currently. At the moment, I don't see the value proposition. I think the Tesla Plaid is right up there in terms of prestige. I have a friend that has one and it looks pretty good to me.
Mercedes is probably going to be much better made than the Tesla. Not saying you shouldn't get the Tesla, but alot of people complain about their build quality.
You buy the Porsche for the amazing style and build. You buy the Tesla for the incredibly advanced technology and power delivery, not to mention supercharging network. I don't think many other makes, maybe Lucid, can compete with these two at the moment.
This is the best review of a car ever. Your videos should ALL be like this. There is so much pretentious crap in cars nowadays that's enough to put one's off of cars.
It looks decent in one color. However, they sacrificed too much practicality for efficiency. I don't think they should've done this in something that's supposed to be an electric S Klasse.
Having an EV with a reasonable range is the only way they're going to sell this thing; an electric S class with 200km of range would surely be a nice PoC, but nothing the S class customer base would buy.
@@b127_1 Super short overhangs and long cabin. The Model S has the shape and wheeldistance of a pretty regular car. This right here is half an alien and a 0 compromise electric design, which then sucks in other areas.
All we know for sure is it's gonna look extremely dated in every way in about 10 years. That interior will age like the soy milk my wife's boyfriend bought me.
It looks extremely dated _now_ . Everything about this car (actually, any new Mercedes or BMW) is mind-bogglingly ugly and stupid to me, and I’m a previous BMW owner.
Very much agreed on all points. This car is the equivalent of the latest iPhone. They haven't really added anything that new that makes your jaw drop, but rich people will buy it and ditch it as soon as the new one's out. Any chance for a C8 Z06 review soon? It really astounds me that the same people who make the ridicilous JD power commercials, can make such a great engine as the Z06's. I wouldn't care if it would fall apart after a few years, it's finally an engine that is alive.
You guys do a great job talking about what's wrong, without sounding like you're just bashing EVs. It's all about the unnecessary weirdness. I hope other car mfg's start to eliminate that and we can get some just plain sound technology and features. And for God sakes give us some real buttons and switches.
So the best thing they could come up when thinking about the sounds of this car was to make it sound like you just spent 140,000$ on a broken wheel bearing and a transmission that's about to blow up? I get that you can change it but man that's just nauseating.
The video doesn´t really pick it up. It sounds more like a weird scifi version of a dinosaur sound like a raptor or something alienish. It´s pretty weird, but also the weirdest of the sounds you can choose from. The funny thing though is that you really get used to it and start to like it. I have the same sound in my EQE and thought it´s massive bullshit when I heard it for the first times, but now I actually started liking it. It sounds pretty natural and not fake if that makes any sense.
I was fast charging my EV6 at an Electrify America station when a lady pulled up next to me in a brand new EQS. First time she ever tried fast charging. I helped her for 45 minutes and long after my car was "full" to get her car to charge. No can do. Wouldn't work. I had to leave and she was grateful but alas she ended up calling Mercedes. Don't know how that ended up.
Been seeing a few of these around town and they’re absolutely hideous. Couple that with the fact the car is unsafe to drive- given how much you have to interact with it to use it and how much information you have to take in- and I’m all the way out. Any car without buttons and full of all this screen garbage is a hard pass.
On a trip to Asia and cars like Hyundai kona ev, ioniq, Kia Nero, and Toyota bz4x can be seen everywhere. Very little Teslas here as they cost a lot. But the cheaper EVs are selling very well. I can't help but think that 10 years down the road this will be a huge advantage for these companies and the 3rd or 4th generation Hyundai kona or Kia Nero will probably have a lot better range than 2nd gen EQS for example. Not to mention the price will come further down and the EV market again will be dominated by Japanese and Korean automakers just like the mid-size sedan and SUV market. Tesla will have it's market in the higher segment, but I don't think they will be selling vehicles for under $25,000 anytime soon which I can easily see Hyundai and Toyota do in 5 years time. Point is that Mercedes should be making affordable EVs and get as many out of the door as possible instead of selling these as luxury items. EV is the future, it's not some niche luxury segment. In countries like US (where fuel is still affordable and people need to travel vast distance), gasoline cars may make sense, but for most countries, gas powered personal vehicles are going to be obsolete in 15-20 years. EV is just so much cheaper to own/drive here given the fuel price.
I don't think selling affordable EVs is going to do Mercedes any good. They have been in the luxury segment for forever; if they start going cheap, they are just going to ruin their brand while competing with manufacturers that are much more established and experienced in the low price segment.
"Use the technology when you need it and make it disappear when you don't" That's the core idea behind the concept of Shy Tech, which is the approach for this car's probably main competitor, the BMW i7. Can't wait to hear SG's thoughts on that one compared to this.
@@bigcjm I understand that, but my point isn’t the quantity of tech in of itself, but rather how much of it is visible. The i4 has the interior style introduced in the 8 series, where the i7’s is a new concept. I would expect the reaction to be similar to the iX, but they didn’t review that one AFAIK
I just test drove the 2022 C class this past weekend and it’s a super impressive piece of kit. This thing is a flaming garbage pile. I couldn’t agree more with Marks take. I wish he would’ve unleashed in the driving portion the way I could tell he wanted to. Such a compliance car and a disappointment from MB. They should’ve never tied this to the S class moniker. I don’t see this car being any form of a sales success over the long term.
The single only thing that impressed me was that coefficient of drag. Zero point two is almost impossible to believe. But that's it, apart from they managed to make a car with that much horsepower and torque that accelerates as slowly as it does.
This is the best automotive channel on RU-vid. Way underrated. Honestly, if you changed the channel name to something descriptive I’m positive your subscribers would quickly double.
Minimalist non luxurious materials in the interior and tacky 1970s discotheque lighting in the door panels. For the life of me I cannot understand why manufacturers use so many unnecessary power robbing electronics in an electric vehicle when range is of utmost importance and something like using a door handle could be as simple as using a door handle.
I’m really worried about the future of the automobile..I’m not even against electricity powered cars, but I wonder why all EVs “need” to be filled with this overwhelming amount of technology and gimmicks. I can accept to give up ICE cars, but I’d hate to stare at 1 or 2 screens even when I’m driving (particularly because I suffer from migraines), and having to use multiple apps for charging the battery, instead of just grabbing a cable and start filling up..And perhaps my biggest problem is that although EVs are not all boring, the more enthusiast-focused ones are 1000hp monsters that cost more than a house, while affordable fun cars seem to have their days numbered.
Right! A bare bones EV, no stupid screens, no stupid electric door handles, just a good chassis for handling and a useable cabin. It's not brain surgery.
I'm with you on this. I don't want or need a haptic slider for every function on my car. Just give me a couple knobs for the climate control, for the love of God. Have designers lost their minds? I know it seems way cool to put touch screens on everything but in the real world it's just plain distracting. And it's not because I'm old fashioned. It's about reducing something to the most practical and safest mode of implementation. Just look at the center dash on a 2007 Honda Civic and compare it to these dashboards bristling with goofy sliders and virtual touch controls. sheesh. sorry about the rant.
@@georgeidarraga4006 you are 100% correct. NOBODY likes these haptic cabins yet the manufacturers keep doubling down on them. I actually want an EV as a daily driver, but I hate the way most of them are disgusting looking and full of UI that will be obsolete the instant the manufacturer stops supporting it.
@@edwardmullan2724 Bolt EV, no one buys them and no one likes them, and that was before the battery fires. People say they want boring cheap electric cars but apparently they dont.
@@Icayn because they look like a boring econo box. Honda got the looks right with their little EV but its full of pointless tech. Need one that looks good and has good driving dynamics.
Good honest review. I agree. My last car was a MB GLC. My first German car I've owned. It was nice but not 'wow!'. Most of time, we're just paying for the brand name.
“Every battery pack has degradation so don’t be alarmed by that.” Wrong Mark, every buyer should be alarmed by that if they are the type of buyer that keeps a car for a long time.
@@wiegraf9009 I realize that. I’m referring to the issue that ALL EVs are going to have range diminish over time. Eventually the range will be poor enough at extreme temps when you will have to spring for a new battery pack. Not a cheap proposition.
@@wronggg I think there can be an argument made that a Taycan specced to the same price point is as good as the EQS at cruising while also beign way sportier and capable in corners
The exterior styling would have flowed better as a traditional wagon. Plus that way there's room in the back for monkey pox spreading with the other dad's at the charging station.
