I hated this ending, Throughout the whole game I thought I was playing as the actual big boss, and I wanted too see many more levels to come. But of course I'm wrong as always
@@flamable2047 this ending explained a lot of things, also why in metal gear 1 big boss was killed but returns in metal gear 2. It's because solid snake killed venom
@@Gazzoosethe1 So, in 1984 Big Boss helps create a body double to stand in for him while he goes on his own to create Outer Heaven and Metal Gear, IN ORDER TO hand it all over TO his double later on. THEN he rejoins Foxhound and orders Solid Snake to go and destroy the place, AND at the same time he gives all the details of the operation to his double on a cassette tape? I know this is late, but I finished the game a couple of days ago, and I am pissed.
i wanna leave my honest opinion on this ending as i'd understand it the 1st time i played it when it came out There's 5 things to realize in this ending 1. The whole message from Big Boss to Venom is a symbolic and metaphorical. Its basically Kojima saying thank you to the fans for supporting him & the games. "I am you & you are me, thank you my friend.. from here on out, you're Big Boss" Kojima is saying that he couldn't have done all these without his fan's support but he doesnt want to carry the merit with him alone, he wanna share it with all of us who played it. Konami might take the series from him, but it will always be with us till the end of time. 2. This also explain why Big Boss is called Ismael while Venom is called Ahab, its based on a book "the Hunt for Moby Dick" or something, Ahab being the star of the show while Ismael sitting on the sideline watching everything happen.. The story is about Ahab, but through the eyes of Ismael.. Big Boss sat on the sideline while Venom makes everything happen. Kojima sat on the sideline and watch us play through the game via RU-vid. The whole thing is about duality. 3. Thats the reason why this entry is called Metal Gear Solid V instead of 5, V is Venom Snake, we are Venom Snake, therefore this title is all about us, the players.. we are canon, we are what connects Big Bosses story to Solid Snake's story 4. Operation Intrude N3N3 is the name of the operation in Metal Gear 1 on MSX Home Computer.. Solid Snake's mission to infiltrate Outer Heaven. Speaking of which, the machine next to the Bitcoder IS the MSX Home Computer. Which means in this seamless cutscene, years has passed and we are now transported to Metal Gear 1 storyline, Venom has gone demon and all those background gunfire and explosion is Solid Snake infiltrating. 5. Outer Heaven logo in the background after Venom punched the mirror.. Clarifying point no.4 even further. I know alot of people were upset that it doesnt show Solid Snake and have Hayter voicing a cameo but remember the title's name.. Phantom Pain. Something that is supposed to be there but it isn't and yet.. the pain wont go away
lol seriously. what was the critical thinking behind that? yeah sure just have the medic pretend to be legendary hero BB. I'm sure he'll be able to perform all these almost supernatural missions and kick my enemies' ass while I go on hiatus building Outer Heaven
+David Robles You do realize Big boss himself said "the medic" was literally the best Soldier in MSF after him and Kaz so of course he could handle complex/supernatural missions plus he has Ocelot and Kaz giving him support.
+The Changeling No. It shows how he was in MG2. In MG2 he was killed again, but kept barely alive by the Patriots to keep their system running. Then, he's put back together by nanomachines to die at the end of MGS4.
Venom snake died in mg 1, in mg 2 naked snake almost died but is kept alive then is reconstructed with parts of solidus I think, then in mgs 4 he dies cuz of FOXDIE
loved the scene where Big Boss & Revolver Ocelot share a brief moment of friendship as the sun is rising. Especially on the ending music with Ocelot leaving and the camera slowly zooming in with Big Boss starting the motorcycle and staring directly at us the audience... kind of my ending that I'd have when I leave for another adventure.
+Aizenx07 I'm guessing it changes to the outer heaven logo to show time passing. When Venom walks into the smoke he's walking to fight Solid Snake (and to his death). The back of the cassette says 'operation intrude n313' which was the name of the mission in the original Metal Gear game.
Big Boss Created Outer Heaven not only to make his dream come true He needs an army to Surpass Cipher/Patriots Venom Snake And Diamond Dogs are just Decoys to get Cipher Attention While Real BB building Outer Heaven He also wanted World Peace and never let anyone know what Cipher is But thanks to Solid Snake that never happened back in MG2 SS
Now before you rip me to shreds, I think that Keifer Sutherland does a better Big Boss. Now while I am a big fan of David Hayter's voice, I think that it's good that BB and Solid Snake have distinctions in their voices.
Regular Flurfy clones are supposed to sound the same, act the same, be the same. before you say what i think youll say. liquid has the english accent because he spent alot of his life in britain. otherwise hed sound like snake. as they both got older im not sure as to why they looked different as old men (big boss and old snake) why they soynded differently in mgs4 was as to probably not confuse people so they wouldnt be hearing hayter twice and not know who said what. and even if his voice did change. they cloned BB whike he was still young so thats why snake sounded like BB. theres no real reason sutherland had to be BB and ill always be a wee bit salty about that.
I am thinking of a scene to where big boss 1 is older and visits the death place of big boss 2 and salutes him and saying " even though you plunged into darkness, you were one of my best soldiers and did my biddings. I thank you my old friend for your sacrifice."
+BigBooney117 I feel like Hideo Kojima is saying that we are Big Boss. Everything that put the rest of the games in motion is because of us, the fans. Anyone can be big boss and he will live on through us all.
Why is everyone so pissed at this ending in my honest opinion this brings the metal gear and metal gear solid games together, to avoid his own demise and nuclear destruction he made an exact double to carry out his missions and on metal gear 1 the big boss you kill is the venom snake version which will explain the fact that you are directed by big boss to kill big boss(venom snake) because he went fucking insane with power and in turn a way no one expected was the ultimate fall of Big Boss the hero and brings him into infamous villainy this is a great story element very fresh story telling because it surprises the audience. in my years of playing the metal gear and metal gear solid series I never thought big boss was meant to be the villain but the organization and the government were set to tarnish the name of Big Boss the hero. I implore you to please play phantom pain and then play metal gear 1 and 2 you will see it all makes a lot of sense story wise
I agree with Masked Lobo and Venom Snake and Big Boss worked together and they both expected solid snake to fail but instead when solid learns more of the truth, Big Boss had no choice but to tell Venom Snake to fight against Solid Snake. After Venom Snake's downfall, Big Boss would complete Outer Heaven in respect on what he and Venom Snake had started.
Faiz Faisal the real BIG Boss never completes Outer Heaven. It blows up at the end when Solid fights the phantom and venom activates the self destruct for the base, thinking he will take out Snake, but Snake quickly defeats him and escapes the devastation. Big Boss is in Zanzibar land working on that base from Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake👌
To add to what this guy was saying, basically another brilliant thing IS the fact we don't play the actual Big Boss, because he's his own person and we can never truly be him. In other words, he's immortalized as the legendary Big Boss, leaving us to last play him in his prime in Peace Walker before realizing he was really a villain who played not only us the players - but everyone else. The detachment was his downfall, or rather, we didn't see a particular moment in a downfall because it was his entire saga that was his downfall (Snake Eater, Portable Ops, Peace Walker, Ground Zeroes). The ending says anyone can be "Snake", we are all Big Boss. But we aren't at the same time. And the one we see that is the true BB, is the villain of the series at this last stage of a metamorphosis.
I knew that this was the twist months in advance, but I thought they were gonna use Hayter to voice the real Big Boss. Anyone else think that would have been awesome fan service after an overly long game?
Worldwide Wyatt hell no It wouldn't make sense Because solid and big boss are not exact clones of each other an kiefer sounds way better as big boss an hayter is better as solid
@@citatap I assume Hayter's voice would only be used at the end, with Kiefer still voicing him in the beginning and potentially up until the Truth segment, then switching to Hayter for his chat with Ocelot and the tape.
There's actually another set of cutscenes that have been removed from the main game where it is shown that Raiden is actually Quiet and Kaz is actually Morpho the heli pilot from GZ, but they both underwent surgery and nanoparasite therapy to change their appearances I found them by doing some data mining inside Kojima's ass
To be fair Kaz pissed off Boss for lying in Peace Walker about Paz, etc. MSF was all built on lies and deception. The 2 were already divided making this choice plus 9 years easier.
+darthkahn45 MGS3 was and is perfectly fine, a perfect origin story for Big Boss and gives you enough indication of why he became a villain. Then MGS4 rolls around and retcons everything so your support team from MGS3 were the villains of the series, even though MGS3 gave no indication of that at all.
***** The reference to the Patriots in MGS2 was indicating that it was an AI, had nothing to do with Zero, he hadnt even been written into the canon yet
I really liked the ending. Snake used his best man for his own objectives, creating another Big Boss to avoid death and a nuclear disaster. Venom Snake was the other half of Big Boss. He thought as Big Boss, he acted as Big Boss, he fought as Big Boss. He even killed his soldiers to go on. Now, my question is....why has this cool ending been ruined by the absence of Mission 51? What about Eli, the parasite and the Sahelanthropus? "This pain...is ours."
I wish I could undergo hypnogosia therapy so that I can play this game again for the first time. As i know a lot of people arent a fan of MGSV's story, but I LOVED it! I consider the twist of finding out you werent playing as the original Big Boss, but his phantom, M.S.F's best soldier and medic. One of the best twists in gaming in my opinion.
When Venom Snake smashes the mirror and walks into the misty darkness looking sinister, is me descending into a dark change of personality, and I know I'll never be the same man everyone knew.
Why are people complaint that you don't get to see the downfall of big boss? Don't you understand there was no downfall, it was venom snake using his alias, mg1 was big boss sending solid to his death by fighting venom snake aka big boss, solid was underestimated and won the fight, then in mg2 solid is confused because big boss is back, but he doesn't know this is the good and original one, he kills him, then big bosses body is regenerated... This was an amazing ending especially if you have been a fan since mg1 so stop complaining and be thankful hideo was able to make his last game. Here's hoping for a release of chapter 3
I could be wrong? But I think the decision to send young rookie Solid Snake into operation intrude n 313 was zeros proxy taking control at the time it's the only thing that makes sense
I now see why I need to go back and play the other Metal Gears, but... From the comments I've seen I can sum up a basic story, still going to go and do some revision now.
When I finished Final Fantasy VII, around 1998, I was sure that I've played the best video game of all time. I was only 13 back then, with a little more than 5 years of gaming experience, and little english knowledge. But FF VII, man... it was special. It still is. Then Metal Gear Solid came a year later - it was truly exceptional. But there was a bigger picture - the Metal Gear universe -, and I didn't know all the details at the time - hell, I might not know everything as of today. So MGS was amazing, but I needed to know more. The motivation behind the characters, their purpose. The whole picture. Since you can't have two favourite games - there should be an "Ultimate" fav, at least for me -, FF VII held the slightest of edges over the MGS franchise (I've played all titles over the years, except Portable Ops) at the top of my list for 17 years. Nothing could touch them, and that's unlikely to change. But after 17 long years, the order has finally reversed. The timing might be strange, because I'm aware that this isn't the best game of the series, nor is truly finished. But MGSV:TPP - and not MGS 4! - somehow gave me the whole picture. Thanks Hideo, you won.
They played us like a damn fiddle!!!!! Ok, guys, let me tell you something. Do not dislike this ending, t'is a story of V snake only and indeed makes sense for the next games... The next game, i imagine will be of the real Big Boss or maybe of Solid Snake.
So it is a damn mega inception paradox, because big boss has our face and name, and we are the big boss but the venom is us again and so on, and at the end we all are big boss
mtkl23 You didn't look at this the right way. The mirror was a reflection of his demon, and when he breaks it, Venom isn't looking at his reflection anymore.
@@fatandfurious3305 No the reflection was indeed the reflection of Big Boss, hence the lack of prosthetics and the horn. It's symbolic value is Venom breaking the mirror to embody Big Boss once more to face Solid Snake
When snake punches that mirror it remjnds me if allthe people that are so pissed off at this ending. They probably felt like punching a mirror too.. Thats why he had venom snake do that lol
what actually happened is that Kojima Fucked our Heads up! He was doing good but suddenly he started a mess with Konami and with his stubborn mind he puts an end in the game on the halfway.This game could goto 100+ episodes because the 2nd chapter just started and never ended!
see, now this is what bothers me at the beginning the (real big boss) was shot, by bullets from a helicopter at that, so was he not injured? and I thought the car exploded but maybe I just imagined that part
2:40 really just said “There can only be one Big Boss and one Snake (us)” without using words. And that’s why I don’t take Mission 51 as canon. Take a bow Kojima.
It doesn't really fit with the rest of the game, but I can't help but see an interpretation where Venom is rejecting the future of Metal Gear 1, or making an effort to "change the future", as Big Boss says. He smashes the mirror that shows his demonic future self in Outer Heaven, then walks into an abyss - meaning whole new territory, a new timeline. It is like he is smashing the future itself and rejecting his role that the rest of the series is based on/started from. (That said, it is more likely is that he is walking into the abyss of death.)
Spoilers ahead. I have a theory on the ending of metal gear solid 5. At the end of the game it’s revealed that Venom Snake is not truly Big Boss. This is false. Venom Snake is Big Boss and here’s why. First of all. The man in bandages. He is a hallucination. There is a cassette tape labeled “the effects of Snake’s coma”. In it is mentioned that Snake is still feeling the effects of his 9 year coma just after waking up. So, figuring out what is real in the hospital is tricky. Anything can be hallucinated. So, a good way to tell if something is hallucinated or not is determining if something seen in the hospital appears later in the game. This kind of evidence can be found from anywhere except cassette tapes. Spoiler alert, but Big Boss is capable of hallucinating cassette tapes. BB is also capable of hallucinating entire rooms. That fact, coupled with the fact that he can hallucinate entire conversations, means that the scene at the very end were Ishmael rides off into the sunset and the scene were miller regards Venom Snake as he and the “real” Big Boss are falling into comas can also be a hallucination. This is all supported because at a certain point in the game it is revealed that Paz is still alive. However it turns out that BB hallucinated all the conversations he ends up having with her, AND all the cassette tapes she shares with him and the hospital room they have these conversations in. Things like quite, the man on fire, and the third boy all appear later in the game. So we know that they actually exist because later in the game the effects of Snake’s coma have lessened in some degree. Ishmael is the only thing that doesn’t appear later. But he does appear in mission 46 labeled the “truth”. This is the mission were the twist is revealed. Let me assure you, this mission is anything from the truth. Kojima has been quoted as saying that a lot of things in metal gear are inspired by the book 1984. One of the biggest references in the phantom pain is the year it takes place, 1984. There are cassette tapes that BB receives after the player plays this mission. Many things are “explained” in this mission, but it is totally possible that these were all hallucinated. However these hallucinated cassette tapes are a good way to see what is going on in BB’s head, because BB is subconsciously creating the cassette tapes. One of these cassette tapes is called “doublethink”. In the book 1984 doublethink is a way that the government suppress the truth, enslaving the poor people in London. This cassette tape is where most of the things about Venom are explained. But the nature of doublethink is not knowing what the truth is. Ocelot even says “in this year 2 + 2 = 5”. This cassette tape gets less and less reputable the more you think about it. Even the fact that mission 46 is called the truth makes it more likely to be the lie, because that’s the nature of doublethink. To say one think is the truth when it is a lie. In 1984 the main character’s job is to change old documents so that they seem to predict future events. He fabricates lies from old speeches and reports. This is the case with mission 1 and mission 46. Mission 46 is the change that happens to mission one, reminiscent of the falsified documents in 1984. Not only that, but look at the character of Ishmael. The name is a reference to Moby Dick. In the book, Ishmael is two characters. The protagonist and the narrator. Ishmael can’t be the protagonist because Venom is the protagonist. So naturally he is the narrator. They are the same person, but they can’t exist in the same place, because Ishmael the narrator is older than Ishmael the character because Ishmael the narrator is telling the story about himself. This works with BB and Ishmael. This is supported by another piece of evidence. Ishmael in the game breaks the fourth wall. The nature of a narrator is to break the fourth wall. Narrators always address the audience. Ishmael in the game does this, he address the player when he tells the player to press the stance button. So if Ishmael is the narrator and BB is the protagonist and they therefore can’t exist in the same place then this supports the idea that Ishmael is a hallucination. There are so many inconsistencies created by the end of the game. Like consider this, how to ocelot save the “real” Big Boss? He wipes his memory of Ishmael in one of the “truth” cassette tapes. It seems safe to assume that in-between getting Ishmael a ride and saving Big Boss in the van I don’t think he had time to wipe his memory and record a cassette tape. AND why does Quite want to kill Big Boss? She explains at the end that she wanted revenge for him burning her but he didn’t burn her. Ishmael did. This little detail made sense when Ishmael was just a hallucination. But if he was really the one who burned Quite then why did she want revenge on BB? If Ishmael was really physically there then she would have wanted revenge on Ishmael not BB. AAND in metal gear solid 4 at the end when Big Boss shows up he mentions that it was impossible to completely recreate someone’s personality until Liquid Ocelot. Now let me explain something. Some of you reading this are probably thinking that there has to be a second Big Boss because in MGS4 he doesn’t have the horn, and because he dies in the first metal gear game. Well let me address the simpler topic first. Big Boss in MGS4 was a Frankenstein of Liquid and Solidus. He was “patched up” using their recycled parts. Now, in the first metal gear game when BB “dies” he gets burned by Solid Snake. But people have survived things similar to this in the series. Zadornov brought himself back to life on the thirst for revenge alone. Quite was burned to death AND fell out of a multi-story window and she was brought back to life using parasites. So whether BB gets juiced up on parasites or he lives on sheer will power alone, it’s entirely possible that he lived. Finally, I’m going to talk about the last important piece of evidence. The Man Who Sold the World. The song that is originally by David Bowie, and featured in MGS 5. In the game it’s interpreted as there being two men. In the case of the game that would be Venom and Big Boss as individual people. When really the song is about one person. It’s about the man’s inner struggle with himself. The struggle between who he really is and the person he has sold himself as. “The Man Who Sold the World” is the image of himself that he has “sold” to the world. So these aren’t two individual Big Boss’. They are the two personalities of the one man. Venom Snake is as much the real physical Big Boss as the Big Boss in the hallucination is. And once you understand this it has HUGE ramifications for the rest of the series. It explains Big Boss. He is stuck between who he has become, venom, punished, and who the world sees him as, Big Boss. He is caught between the phantom pain, and the best part of himself. So when Big Boss rides away on the motorcycle it is symbolic of the best part of Snake leaving. No one can escape the phantom pain. Not even Big Boss.
+Bruce Wayne too many holes in your theory which makes it irrelevant, let me explain. 1st reason: if Venom Snake and Big Boss were the same people, why does Kaz and Ocelot openly acknowledge the existence of both Big Boss and Venom which makes Kaz feel so betrayed that he wants revenge on Big Boss when the time is right? 2nd reason: Big Boss and Ocelot are clearly observing Venom Snake before they hatch their plan in the hospital plus they have photos of Venom Snake posing with Big Boss and Kaz back on the original MSF. 3rd reason: How can you hallucinate something when you're unconscious and in a coma??? You're telling me Big Boss has telepathy in order to make someone see something that isn't there? 4th Reason: "Doublethink" was introduced by Ocelot 5th reason: "Ishmael can’t be the protagonist because Venom is the protagonist. So naturally he is the narrator. They are the same person, but they can’t exist in the same place, because Ishmael the narrator is older than Ishmael the character because Ishmael the narrator is telling the story about himself. This works with BB and Ishmael. This is supported by another piece of evidence. Ishmael in the game breaks the fourth wall. The nature of a narrator is to break the fourth wall. Narrators always address the audience. Ishmael in the game does this, he address the player when he tells the player to press the stance button. So if Ishmael is the narrator and BB is the protagonist and they therefore can’t exist in the same place then this supports the idea that Ishmael is a hallucination." What you said is absolutely incoherent and makes zero sense whatsoever. Narrators in stories dont have an age requirement and remember, he has to explain things to Venom as he is in a super weakened state as already explained by Ocelot prior. Ishmael was never the protagonist at all, he was there to bodyguard you in the hospital plus if he wasn't real, then how did Quiet get fended off and burned??? Of course she would still go after Big Boss as Skullface ordered her to finish the job after saving her plus she never saw Ishmael's face so her aggression wouldn't be towards an unknown man. Accept it, there were two Big Boss's all along, Kojima mindfucked everyone who thought this was gonna be a simple revenge story, cause things are never simple in Kojima's world.
+Bruce Wayne plus there's a sixth reason: If this was really Big Boss, then why is t revealed he and Eli's DNA doesnt match up and the he is a completely different person entirely???? Liquid, Solid and Solidus are genetic clones, the DNA test coming up negative is impossible in your theory. Thats because Venom is NOT Big Boss, he is a completely different person but his doppelganger nonetheless.
Nice Easter Egg.. On the other side of the Tape was a Type of Secret Code telling (Venom) Snake About Solid Snake's Eventual Infiltration and how You (Snake) train and basically Set-Up the Events of Metal Gear.
I was weirded out by Venoms smoking an ecigar cause in snake eater snake said they were disgusting and dont beat the real thing... its all coming togerher now lol XD
Walking into those shadows all bad ass like was dope because we know who he fights 11 years later.......I don't care if it Kojima or Konami they need to retell Outer Heaven and the introduction of Solid Snake.
While they were having this conversation and lighting this cigar, a giant flaming whale was swallowing a helicopter, at most fifty meters away from them, that's the one plot hole I can't get over.
Random, but I never understood how Snake/Big Boss still had teeth after Volgin beat the tar out of him in Groznyj Grad. Can't see the legendary warrior having cosmetic dental work
It would have been cool to see a bit more after this. Imagine it cuts to a view of what is now Outer Heaven, tension building music plays. We see an elevator travelling down, the doors open and someone exits, showing only their feet as they walk down a corridor to the sound of emergency alarms and flashing red lights. Arriving at a door at the end of the corridor, it opens automatically. We see an over the shoulder shot of Venom Snake as he stares, face to face with a figure in the doorway. The figure steps into the room, it's Solid Snake. Venom looks with a menacing and very small look of worry. "Solid Snake!" he shouts as the music reaches it's climax and the camera pans to a birds eye view. The music fades out and the picture starts to pixelate. We then play the boss fight from Metal Gear, 8 bit music included. After killing Venom with your flamethrower, the screen goes black. "Operation Intrude N313 completed", says David Hayter.
If Ishmael is big boss. Why does he still have is right eye? It was shot out in mgs3 but if you look he has his eye. Then we he's on the bike he has the eyepatch.... ???
I posted this in another video, but please consider reading on this. There is something I think you guys need to read. I personally believe it sheds light on the ending of this mission, and how it reflects Venom Snake's character by the events of Metal Gear. I'll post a link in this comment, but a full transcript of the post itself will follow. It's made by someone named Philosopher1701: www.gamefaqs.com/boards/718564-metal-gear-solid-v-the-phantom-pain/72549486/833216811
_"Even our faces will be irrelevant." - Venom Snake's Phantom Pain_ *By Philosopher1701*, via GameFAQs: I think many people have missed the point of the Big Boss twist. It's certainly a condescending betrayal, but there's a deeper meaning here. It's not about how awesome it is that you are Big Boss. Rather, it's about how *_horrible_* it is. You, Venom Snake, have been betrayed by the person you admired most. Big Boss stole everything from you. Your country, your family, your face, and your identity. Maybe even your race and language; I'm Caucasian and a native English-speaker, but you might not be. Yet, whoever you are, wherever you came from... none of that matters. You're Big Boss now. _"His country, his family, his face, his identity, everything was stolen from him."_ _- Ocelot on Skull Face_ _"Race, tribal affiliations, national borders, even our faces will be irrelevant."_ _- Zero_ You, the medic, have been destroyed. Erased from existence. Lost to history. Just like The Boss. Big Boss has committed perhaps his greatest sin: He used his most loyal soldier as a pawn, and erased everything that he was. Big Boss is a hypocritical warmonger. He doesn't believe in peace. He doesn't really value every soldier under his command. He's not a hero. He's a tyrant. And that's what Venom Snake sees in the mirror. At first, he's honored to be Big Boss's most loyal soldier. He even smirks when he discovers it. But a decade later, on just another day in a war without end, he looks in the mirror, and finally understands what it really means to be Big Boss: He's a demon. A monster. Thus, Venom Snake's true phantom pain isn't his missing arm or his lust for revenge. Rather, it's the loss of his identity, the essence of his personhood. _"Now do you remember who you are, what you were meant to do? I cheated death thanks to you. And thanks to you I've left my mark. You have too. You've written your own history. You're your own man. I'm Big Boss, and you are too. No, he's the two of us together. Where we are today, we built it. This story, this 'legend', it's ours. _*_We can change the world, and with it, the future._*_ I am you and you are me. Carry that with you wherever you go. Thank you, my friend. From here on out, you're Big Boss."_ _- Big Boss, MGSV_ Big Boss wants Venom Snake to help him change the world by contributing to the "legend of Big Boss". This is the legend, by the way, that Zero wanted to exploit. Big Boss hated the idea when Zero proposed it, but apparently changed his mind when he realized he could use it to create Outer Heaven. And MGS2 has some relevance here, in the form of Raiden: _"You can find your own name. And your own future. And whatever you choose will be you. I know you didn't have much in terms of choices this time. But everything you felt, thought about during this mission, is yours. And what you decide to do with them is your choice... A clean slate. A new name, new memories. Choose your own legacy. It's for you to decide. It's up to you."_ _- Solid Snake to Raiden_ Big Boss thinks it's great that Venom Snake has lost his identity. But Solid Snake thinks that Raiden should be free to create his own identity and legacy. And that whole "changing the world" thing? Big Boss understands his arrogance at the very end of MGS4: _"Boss.. You were right. _*_It's not about changing the world._*_ It's about doing our best to leave the world the way it is. It's about respecting the will of others, and believing in your own."_ _- Big Boss, MGS4_
so was this ending cut or something? I just finished the mission where quiet left and then no new missions are appearing. don't know if I'm doing something wrong lmao
