When Ocelot says "Don't worry he can handle it." because (in a slight 4th wall break) he knows YOU the player can handle it. The whole point of Venom was that, (assuming you created yourself with the character creator) YOU are Venom, and YOU are Big Boss's best man because YOU have been there with him his entire life because YOU played all the games. Before MGSV, you were by all accounts, ACTUALLY Big Boss because you played his life. The speech from Big Boss over from the cassette more than just wrapping up the plot points it is Hideo Kojima telling the fans of the series "I'm Big Boss and you are too, he's the two of us together. Where we are today we built it" and "Thank you my friend" for sticking with his series for this long, knowing he was on his way out of Konami. Kojima is telling the fans we are all as cool, idealistic and badass as Big Boss because we are his Phantom. Such a great ending
Beautiful. Knowing that makes this ending so much better. Too bad it had to end like this, being cut short, the game missing a whole chapter. Would have been cool to have played as Naked Snake in a squeal and create outer heaven.
I kinda love how Venom Snake, whom we think is the real BB, walks towards his smoky destiny to face his demise(Solid Snake) truly completing the entire saga!
I take him walking into the smoke as him walking back into the current life he has, not the fight with solid, because the door logo changes back to diamond dogs after it shows outer heaven.
Damn, it gives me goosebumps seeing the Outer Heaven logo in the mirror when he breaks it, I can imagine him walking to the other room confronting Solid Snake.
@@REVOLVER-BOSS-27 of course, but it doesnt have to mean it's from that time. I would rather quess that it's still not long after end of TPP. nothing except from the logo of outer heaven, which i think has only allegorical sense here (next role of venom) points that time passed between two cassettes. And the fact that he still wears DD uniform completely kills interpretation that is just before fighting Solid Snake
@@pentlik at the end of the day it’s very ambiguous and up to the player to decide. I think either way it doesn’t really matter if it’s in the past or not. The player knows what is being referenced and what is to come. He could be in the past, he could be wearing the DD patch perhaps for sentimental reasons; idk. Again either way I think the point and impact is the same.
+Megajon so in the end, we the players are Venom Snake, and Kojima is Big Boss that this Legend (Game Series) Is ours forever even though Cipher the Patriots (Konami) Have control. now that you clarified that with me I officially declare this game my favorite game! thanks man!
Steven Schoenfelder I did? I'm so pleased to be a part. :) Although there's a lot of things I don't like about MGSV, I' still appreciate the effort and dedication Kojima put into this whole series. :D
@@BigBoss-zi6tj same. It's kind of silly but when I find myself in a tough situation I think back to this. I'm big boss. I carry that with me wherever I go. Of course that might be because I played this game when I was 14 and it left a big impact on me.
The explosions and gunfire in the background, that is Solid Snake attacking. Phantom Snake knows this is his last moments alive, notice how the logo on the door changes from Diamond Dogs to Outer Heaven after Phantom smashes the mirror.
+Ash halo Let's be real, in terms of how this ending changes things, Big Boss sent Solid Snake - the supposed 'weaker one' of LET - to die. He was making sure the loose ends got cleared up, presuming Liquid dead already thanks to the Kingdom of the Flies, and didn't know about Solidus.
Imo when he played the operation intrude tape at 4:29 or something sorry if I messed the timestamp, it symbolises the 10 years timeskip and that he succeeded over solid in the end the smoke was of the gunpowder consumed by their weapons in that combat. Well that's just my opinion and I personally believe it since I love venom haha
@@SonTaicario I'm well aware of that mate, I was really high while writing that shit lol. But tbh it feels really good to think that way haha. Either that excuse to satisfy myself, or else tell myself that "Venom died when he was around 60 years of age so it's fine solid was pretty young, atleast lived half century." so I don't feel sad.
For those who don't understand. When Big Boss talks to Venom he is telling you that you achievements are his too. You and Big Boss are one. You took Big Boss's Identity and Big Boss took yours (name, birthday and your face) You Ahab are the reason that Outer Heaven is very popular and infamous. Because you build it from zero. One way or another Outer Heaven was created by you/Big Boss. When Venom flips the tape... 10 years has passed. Big Boss informs Venom about Solid Snake's arrival with the tape of Operation Intrude N313. Venom has killed many people through-out the years leaving his horn to ultimately have it's final form. Venom gets ready to fight the son of Big Boss. When Venom sees himself on the mirror, he finally see that he has lost everything he had. He lost his identity, his memories, his love interest(Quiet), his comrades and his sanity. All he has left is war and loyalty to Big Boss. He smashes the window because he doesn't like what he's become. When Venom turns around he returns to the past (1984) because the next adventure lies in Metal Gear for MSX. For those who say "But this was suppose to be about Big Boss's descend to villainy." I think you forgot that at the end of MGS4, Big Boss says that ever since he killed his mentor The Boss. He has already been dead. In Peace Walker Big Boss took the title that the CIA gave him a decade ago and created Outer Heaven at the same time. Big Boss predicted that they were going to be head hunted after the Peace Walker incident. Big Boss is already corrupted because he is mis-understanding the will of The Boss leaving him to do reckless choices. Big Boss was never a bad guy...he simply didn't understand what his mentor wanted after all these years...leaving Big Boss to look like a bad guy,
you sir just made sense of this to me. i will stop complaining. because you did it without insulting the ones who don't like the ending....I'm now indifferent
What about him saying to Solid Snake at the final battle that War is everything? Suprassing all pleasures of life? About how war will be needed in the world for a soldier's paradise? And how he was going to raise child soldiers? "They'll make fine soldiers in the next war..." That is evil. He misunderstood the Boss's will and that made him into a villain.
I didn't know this sence takes a place at 1995. So this is the moment before Venom dies. Before Solid Snake kills him. I really feel bad for Venom Snake. He was the most pute heart guy.
The first part takes place in 1984, because the diamond dogs logo is on the door at first. When he flips the cassette to "operation intrude n313", the logo on the door changes, showing that 10 years have passed. When he turns around and walks away, that's when he's on his way to face solid
@@subpain4257 true, and the funny part is that he is meant to be us, the player xD. That's what I loved about TPP, they managed to incorporate that into true game well, us being big boss
The fact that all that panic in Outer Heaven is caused by a "green" 20 years old guy on his first mission that despite being given false information and intel for the whole mission he is still trashing the entire place is kinda funny in a sad way.
@@andrescaceres2822 There's no reason Big Boss couldn't have come out of hiding and told Venom and Miller the truth. Instead he's complicit in using him
No he isn't. This is what Venom wants. He even acknowledges it in the nuclear ending and it's also echoed by Ocelot as well. It's Miller who is enraged for no reason at the fact Big Boss wants nothing to do with him after his betrayal which led Zero and Paz right to him and caused the destruction of MSF
so, analyzing the final cutscene something comes to my mind. The change of logo on the door behind Venom indicates that some time passed away between the moment in which Venom hears "From the man who sold the world" cassette side, and the moment in which he hears the "Operation Intrude n 313" cassette side, or the logo change is just allegorical? If the first hypotesis is true, this would mean that Venom remembers who he really is long before the moment in which he has to face Solid Snake. Anyway, all that blood on his face shows clearly that he had to fight too many battles, becoming a demon to let Big Boss achieve his plan. He understands he's been used, and get angry. But what is shown also in this ending is that Kojima rewards us with the title of Big Boss, for having been loyal to his masterpiece all over the years. I have to say...after 28 years, I felt like I lived the end of an era. Thank you mr Kojima, for having given us such a great piece of ART. *Military salute*
In this scene, moreover your details, occurred transition to first metal gear events, and Venom Snake downald Operation 313 on MSX competer from Solid Snake... Realy genius!
@@smirnovwhycinema1760 yes, several years go by...and Venom realises he has been "sold" too by "the man who sold the world". This is why I prefer Venom Snake over Big Boss, I think that in MGSV Kojima needed to clarify more that Big Boss was not a hero like everyone was saying after MGS3, but he chose a wrong path. Only true heroes in the saga are Solid Snake and The Boss, and I would put even Revolver Ocelot in the list, even if in a much more ambyguous way
Venom Snake had the most tragic life of all the snakes. Forced to live in the shadows of another man, forced to kill his own men, and fought Cipher, then dies and is forever forgotten. Meanwhile cowardice Naked Snake gets all the credit and has no shame creating a phantom for his own selfishness protection.
Not big Boss created the phantom! It was Major Zero and ocelot. Orig. Big Boss was in coma too, while he was brainwashed. But he took the Gift they made him, and tried to do what he had too... and his legacy isn‘t forgotten! He also is Big Boss
but you probably believed you were playing bigboss for a while, then its taken away, a phantom pain, but then you realize why can't you believe it anyways, and on top of that the actual bigboss makes it easier saying, "from now on, you're Big Boss" you the player who played snake eater and peace walker and acid, you lived big boss' life anyways, for all intents and purpose, Venom is Big Boss same as 2+2=5 in 1984
If you look closely when he smashes the mirror you will notice that there’s no metal hand on the “other side” as well as no shrapnel in the head either, meaning that as he breaks the mirror and stares, the real big boss is staring back at him. I think this means that he has officially lost his own self to the persona of big boss. In other words, while “Venom” died at the hands of Solid Snake, the “Medic” died long before that.
It's not the "real" big boss in the mirror. When he breaks the mirror, there is a second him on the other side. You'll notice the eyepatch and horn flip because it went from reflection to model.
I think this was the best way to make the player feel actually conflicted with real big boss, since MGS3 there was always the issue that Boss was such a likable character it was hard to see him become the laughing villain in MG1 and then feeling retconned to be more complex in MG2. This hit two birds with one stone, the MG1 Big Boss was Venom who’s whole purpose was to be the villain so he takes all attention off of real Big Boss, Venom was willing to literally become a demon to hold up a legend and isn’t the slightest offended that Big Boss basically betrayed him by leaving him to deal with skull face. The game kind of becomes meta with the phantom theme, and does add a symbolic nature to Skull Face; he knew he’d be erased and even though he had the biggest impact on events in the series canonically, no one would remember him but he didn’t care as long as the job was done, Venom is a mirror to that where he has one the biggest impacts on the series as he’s the original Big Boss we kill in MG1 yet his true identity is forgotten.
He didn't betray him, why he would destroy his own Outer Heaven ? He sends snake because he was a rookie, since he worked like a "double agent" in FoxHound, the Outer Heaven investigation was given to BigBoss, he was obligated to do something, in the end even Big Boss said he was not supposed to do all that... In metal gear on MSX.
@@technite5360Muzzle wasn't saying Venom was betrayed by Big Boss in regards to Outer Heaven, they were saying that Big Boss pretty much dumped Skull Face on Venom and just said "Sayonara" before vanishing. Pretty much dumping everything on Venom's lap to deal with while he messed around elsewhere in the world.
As the years went on, I realized how much I love and respect venom snake. He's a way better person than Big Boss, he was loyal to Big Boss even though he fucked him over majorly, because he's so silent I can't help but be so intrigued of what he's thinking of the events that happen in front of his eyes, and I just feel really bad for him, a man with basically no choice but to throw his identity and life away to be a decoy for a horrible man that couldn't give less of a shit about his own soldiers. A very tragic character in a series full of them, and he's definitely one of my favorites.
Big Boss never acted with bad intents. He just tried to achieve another's will, one that he didn't understand, and it led to chaos. It was an unfortunate mistake with punishing consequences, but Big Boss was actually sorta like an anti-hero and not a villain.
So this scene starts in 1984 on Motherbase, with Big Boss sending a tape to his brainwashed body double Venom Snake. Venom smiles at the message on the tape because he truly believes that Big Boss, (the man he revered enough to commit his military service to when he was a medic working at MSF in the 70s) has picked him and showered him in glory by selecting him to share the role of Big Boss. Venom smiles in 1984 to be praised so highly and given such an important role by his idol. He's been surgically altered to resemble Big Boss, hypnotized and trained into emulating him. He's brainwashed of course. He's been psychologically programmed to follow orders so that the real Big Boss can accomplish the job of setting up Outer Heaven free from the wrath of the superpowers and cipher. The tape flips and 10 years progress and the Venom that returns to mirror (now in Outer Heaven) is no longer smiling. He looks enraged. Maddeningly unhinged. But I think he's lucid enough to realize what's happening here. If you play mg1 you find that as Solid Snake you make your way through the fortress of Outer Heaven on your way to kill who you think is Big Boss (in fact it's Venom) . And the gunfire we hear at the start of the games opening scene is that moment in Outer Heaven in mg1. Solid Snake is closing in. Venom is backed into a corner. His defences have crumbled, his super weapons are all destroyed. If there was ever a moment for the real Big Boss to assist it's now. Venom knows the Big Boss has sent this rookie agent to Outer Heaven because he needs to convince the US government that he's not secretly supporting Outer Heaven. But with the new Outer Heaven complete Venom has become a loose end. So Big Boss is now using Solid Snake as a knife in the back of Venom. Big Boss is abandoning Venom to his fate because he's done with him. And Venom realizes this. That's where the rage comes from. Venom is enraged when he see's the mirror because he realizes that Big Boss was never really holding him esteem. Big Boss was never his friend. Big Boss used Venom as long as it was convinient. Like a human shield and a lap dog. Big Boss stays conviniently protected while Venom sits on the frotntlines and does the dirty work. Venom realizes that Solid Snake is coming to kill him in outer heaven, because Big Boss is done with him. Big Boss no longer needs him. So when Venom sees the face of the man who manipulated him, used him and then threw him away in the mirror, a man who he's become surgically altered to resemble, he destroys the visage in a gutteral rage. By the time The Phantom Pain ends Venom idolizes Big Boss. By the time Metal Gear 1 ends Venom hates Big Boss. Big Boss is not a good person. He uses soldiers, Venom included and throws them away to justify remaining in power. The same way the US Government used his mentor, The Boss and threw her life away, during Operation Snake Eater. Big Boss becomes the thing he hated. He betrays Miller, Venom, Diamond Dogs, Fox and eventually Outer Heaven. Treating soldiers as expendable pawns and turning them to kill each other in the name of protecting a political ideal, or sometimes even worse, to protect his own power.
America used The Boss to do their wet work and take all the blame. Big Boss used Venom to do their wet work and take all the blame. Venom used the soldiers we captured to do our wet work and risk their lives for the sake of Big Boss's legacy. This whole game is explained by the song The Man Who Sold The World because of the theme of Metal Gear Solid is that everyone is a spy and no one is telling the truth, manipulating everyone for a bigger picture. Big Boss is and is not a hero, Venom Snake is and is not a hero, Solid Snake is and is not a hero, they were all manipulated by their superiors to carry on a mission and get it done. This fucking game man, philosophical, cynical, romantic, and truly a Hideo Kojima game
***** But why, i mean, i get that it was partly to protect big boss, but i still don't get why they wanted to make the double think that he is boss, when eventually he finds out that he isn't the real big boss. Also how the fuck is the double as good a soldier as big boss is, since big boss is the "perfect soldier". Is that from the brainwashing? Wasn't the whole point in "Les Infant Teribles" (probably spelled that wrong) to recreate multiple versions of Snake just because his skills were unique to him?
okay, thanks for refreshing my memory, im a bit rusty on my Metal Gear lore, so the point in creating the phantom was not only to protect boss and give him time to set things up, but also to root out Skull Face and kill him?
Yea your right this is because from when he finishes listening to the tape and you see him entering the scene again as ' Demon Snake ' there has been roughly 10 years ago. Its a very good time lapse.
I think the smoke at the end signifies he’s about to confront solid snake at least that’s what I would love to believe because it does make slot of sense of him being angry and finally seeing that he was being used the entire time not to mention outer heaven has gone to shit
A lot of people have said "oh this game was a letdown because ur a clone and I thought u were ognna be shown about how Big Boss was Darth Sidious evil! Boo!" How is this not clear yet.? This ending is not just Kojima telling us we are Big Boss, the ending is more than that. By the end of Peacewalker he was already a monster. He was a wanted man that was ready to fight the world for fucksake. He had an army, a nuclear vehicle and everything. In the end of Peacewalker he realizes that The Boss gave her life for peace, he felt betrayed because she abandoned her "soldier pride". He realizes that the soldier in him can only live through battles and war. As a person, Venom is discarded of everything he ever had. He's now used as a tool, a decoy, a target for the world while the real one hides to build his master plan, pretty selfish don't you think? Remember another soldier who got used for means to ends? Yep, they go by the title of THE BOSS. Venom in this case turns into The Boss, while Big Boss becomes the equivalent of what killed her. Using soldiers as tools to carry on master plans? What did Big Boss do after waking up in a coma? Did he even care that Mother Base fell? Most of the crew died? Paz and Chico are dead? Miller is broken? Venom saved his life and lost 9 years, a limb and an eye? No, instead he quickly discards them, uses them and just sets off to plan new things. If that wasn't villainous I don't know what is.
yessss! that thing about MEN BECOMING DEMONS... they were already demons... using peoples lives like tools for other plans! MGSV gives more impact in the final moment between big boss and solid when the first tell the other that YOU ARE NO MORE A TOOL FOR ANYONE, FORGET ABOUT US, LIVE YOUR LIFE... and THE WORLD WOULD BE BETTER OFF WITHOUT SNAKES..... :'(
***** Oh my God.... There's about 2,000 different excuses to how TPP's story is secretly brilliant, and about 3 of them have some degree of merit. Your reason is not on of them
***** Okay. DO you want me to link you a few video that rip the story of TPP apart? Some even compliment some aspects. We know what Koima's intentions are. He failed miserably to convey those themes with his one note characters, pre-destined actions from characters, and lack of a cohesive narrative.
He is right about the real big boss being a monster though, watch the vid again when he flips the tape over look whats written on it "operation intrude" (Metal Gear on msx solid snakes first mission is called "operation intrude", the bitcorder is plugged into an MSX console just to ram home the point). Essentially the only message that he could have got from the real big boss was "time to die" essentially (Venoms death would make everyone believe Big Boss was dead). At the point snake is going to confront Venom nobody knows Big Boss is calling the shots since he is your CO throughout the game on the radio (Roy Campbell takes over in Metal Gear 2:Solid Snake) and you can't reach him at all at this point (he's done a runner to hide the fact there were 2 big boss's). At this point the real Big Boss had become just like the politicians who had sent The Boss to die as a scapegoat to hide their involvement and Venom is The Boss substitute.
Look at 5:18 it's Outer Haven logo and I assume the gun shot outside Venom Snake room it's the intrusion of Solid Snake in Outer Haven base. Please make MG 1 and 2 remake.
Meta Critic Yes he wear diamond dog logo but if you play for the first time, you can see the intro where Venom Snake play the cassette on the right corner there written location at Outer Haven.
Upon re-watching this after having completed it last year, I think this scene is actually really damn good. The whole 'replaying the hospital mission again' thing can F right off though lol.
The more and more I watch this ending, the more I realise this might very well be the greatest story in a video-game I've ever seen. It left me hollow for a while sure... but once you know the truth you have to accept it. Big Boss was nothing more than a legend anymore. Even Naked Snake couldn't carry that title without burden. And sometimes the legacy is more important than the person. Here's to you Kojima you genius.
Man beating this game made me feel... ...used. This game wasn't Big Boss' descent into evil this game was a showcase for how evil he has become. Betraying and stripping the identity of a soldier who pledged his loyalty to him shows how similar Big Boss is to those governments who use their soldiers as pawns. Venom Snake lost everything in this game; he lost his face, his identity, his love and perhaps saddest of all his voice. Big Boss is an asshole a man who would sell the world just for his petty revenge. Goddamn this was definitely a Hideo Kojima Game.
don’t be stupid man, i don’t understand how so many people don’t understand the real purpose of this ending and the franchise, Big Boss didn’t use anyone Venom wasn’t a tool used by Big Boss both were fighting for the same cause, overthrowing Cipher and freeing the world from your domain, Solid Snake was not a good guy, he was just a tool from Cipher, if you think Big Boss is really the village then you need to pay more attention to the game's plot, play MG1, MG2 and MGS2 and you will understand
@beep boop Beep dude how does the game show Big Boss becoming a villain if the game is not even played by him? tell me what makes you think he's a villain? Kojima said that in an interview precisely to hide the plot that was actually Venom and not Naked Snake, there are still people who believe that Big Boss is a villain in 2020, lmao
2:59 “Now do you remember? Who you are? What you were meant to do? I cheated death thanks to you. And thanks to you I’ve left my mark. You have too. You’ve written you own history. You’re your own man. I’m Big Boss. And you are too. No. He’s the two of us together. Where we are today, we built it. This story, this legend, it’s ours. We can change the world and with it the future. I am you and you are me. Carry that with you wherever you go. Thank you my friend. From here on out, you’re Big Boss.”
Venom Snake should've won the fight with Solid Snake, since he's the ONLY player character in the MGS series that can move while aiming a damn gun, alongside MGR:R Raiden, and Old Snake, but that doesn't count since he's a fossil by then.
"Given the right situation, the right story... ANYONE can be shaped into Snake. Even rookies can fight like men of experience." Ocelot From Metal Gear Solid 2 Damn...
The music at the end of this scene, where he looks into the mirror, punches it, and walks off into the darkness, is phenomenal. Reminds me of music from the band Godspeed You Black Emperor.
say what you want about the story and content but this scene alone for me makes the whole game and depictes the OG metal gear on a brand new light. Phantom is a tragic and heroic character, even more than Big Boss. He sacrificed his own life for Diamond Dogs and big boss in order for him to establish his vision. people might not see it, but in the end we recognise how evil and twisted Big Boss became to pursue his morals and beliefs. He was a piece of shit for letting the medic to be used like that, unfortunately he was so up Big Boss' ass to realize it. Poor Venom Snake, The real and only hero of the metal gear saga
Venom is more hero than Solid Snake & Big Boss tbh. Solid Snake is fighting in the wrong side. he is just following orders. in my opinion Venom Snake is the only hero in MGSV
+Mr.Mugen93 Venom IS Big Boss . For all intents and purposes he reacts exactly like how real Big Boss would react in those situations . Listen to the truth tapes again as Ocelot confirms that he simply isn't a body double and that "medic" died back in Ground Zeroes. Venom is Big Boss's memetic clone meaning that he has the same knowledge and experience as the real one . Remember how Les Enfacts terribles was the cause of Big Boss leaving Zero and starting a war with him? Yet in this game Big Boss embraces that same concept and turns one of his best men into himself . And this can be compared to what the government did to Boss in MGS 3 . So Big Boss essentially ends up becoming like the thing that he hated back in MGS3 . This game gives closure to Big boss's character but most people seems to have completely missed it .
+Kent Wong i love how people act like this was so deep. this didnt go over anyones head. it was just dumb and a cop out. the game was advertised as big boss' downfall. every trailer was deceptively made to look like this is what was happening. and honestly, some of the fan theories that came out of these ideas, were better then the story in the actual game. inb4 "lolol kojima is troll though. remember mgs2 raiden" yea, except the only thing we didnt get was to play as the character we thought we'd be playing as. the whole story didnt say "im going to point a" only to go directly to point B the whole time. also, raiden may have been suppose to represent us in a basic form but he was a character of his own right who had character development and was relevant in later games. not to mention that we realize we're playing as him 5 minutes after he's introduced. in this game we play hours and hours thinking we're big boss and that what we're doing is relevant to his story, then it turns out we're playing as some nobody.
I think that's really cool that he started loading the original metal gear into the MSX. Operation intrude was the name of solid snakes first mission. I believe it implies that metal gear takes place after this and solid is there.
It’s a cool theory but it’s ultimately wrong. The Outer Heaven logo on the door isn’t the one from Operation Intrude and this game shows both are canon. This full cutscene takes place in 1984
The tape that Venom puts in the player after Naked Snakes speech says "Operation Intrude N312" which is the operation where Solid Snake infiltrate Outer Heaven to save Gray Fox and kills Big Boss but It's actually Venom that Solid kills.
During this ending, while Venom looks at himself in the mirror some gunshots are heard. I was confused as to what was happening until I saw it. "Operation Intrude N313" tape. That's freaking Solid Snake that's coming for him. Holy crap. And the moment gets even more awesome if your base is full of those S rank soldiers. Cause Solid fuc*king Snake is about to freaking slaughter ALL OF THEM. Makes me wish for Metal Gear 1 and 2 but in 3D.
In essence when he says - "from here on out... YOU'RE Big Boss - means all of us as gamers who played this game. Very symbolic. Kojima made this for the fans. Cheers!
Just as the boss said: the one who inherits the title of boss will face endless battles. Venom is the best snake by far i wish we could get another game for venom.
@Týr In the game, if you kill a lot of people you become permanently covered in blood and the shrapnel in your head becomes larger. It's implying that Venom went full Demon Snake and did a lot of horrible shit. Him punching the mirror is open to interpretation i guess, but in my opinion it's the realisation of what he has become and how far he has strayed from who he was.
4:30 operation intrude n313. The mission solid snake was given by big boss all the way back in the first metal gear game on the msx coming full circle to where it all began. This scene really is just Kojima saying goodbye to this franchise and its fans while also giving a middle finger to the douchebag executives that treated him and the rest of his team like slaves.
Even his hair has gray spots on this scene ( 3:32 ) Some time has gone by, plus the Intrude N313 tape almost at the end, he goes back to the mirror and the horn got higher (meaning at that point he fully became a demon). Remember the "previous operations" files in MGS1 where the text says soldiers describe Big Boss as both a hero and a lunatic. So when you see that horn getting bigger, even more time has gone by, the same scenes portrays 2 different years. When he leaves the room, either N313 is about to start (I support this idea more because he had just set the tape in the recorder and in Mother Base they have a habit of recording every radio conversation), or Venom is about to go face to face with Solid Snake. Also, on a side note, Mother Base is in the middle of the ocean, and the first ever MG game (MSX) starts with Snake swimming and climbing a fence to complete infiltration, so I can only imagine the location of the first game is Mother Base itself, they just changed the name from Diamond Dogs to Outer Heaven so no one thought BB, now in command of Foxhound, was managing it also
Mith MGSV Kojima has created a Metatheatre: one in which the conventional separation between actors and audeince was abolished. In which the conventional scenic geography , the notions of proscenium , stage, auditorium, were completely discarded, In which continuity of performance, either in time or place, was ignored. And in which the action, the narrative was fluid, with only a point of departure and a fixed point of conclusion. Between those points the participants invent their own drama. At first I was disappointed to learn that I hadn't been playing as Big Boss - but then I understood Kojima's true intention and as a result feel closer now to the "Big Boss" of MGSV and not detached.
You know...I went through stages of denial when I beat this game. And the more I learned how to connect this game to MG1, Mg2, MGS1-4 I started to understand and accept. I never played MGS before this game, but I binged the Kefka production movies and looked some stuff up on the wiki. The more you understand the MG universe the more this ending makes sense, obviously and how needed this ending was. Also, it ain't a Kojima game if it doesn't have a fucked up plot twist. The End. Does this scene take place in MG1's Outer Heaven, I only Vaguely know about the plot in MG1, barely mg2
The later half of the scene takes place during the ending of Metal Gear (msx2) Big Boss sent venom the download of mg and venom read to description so he could understand the context of the situation
@@senatorarmstrong1251 yeah but this feels more impactful than a speech. he brainwashed a man to think that he was big boss and then he thinks being him is this great thing but taking away someones identity is the worst thing you can do. I know its worse than a speech.
So many people seem to be miss the time lapse: when he flips the cassette it moves forward by 11 years to 1995 - it's actually another cassette (it was just made to look like he simply flipped it) - and when he smashes the mirror you can see that the Diamond Dogs symbol is gone, having been replaced by the Outer Heaven logo.
Man I wanted to see, I wanted to have a fight with solid snake...I wanted to use the battle gear and sahelanthropus....The content I've lost...The endings I've lost....wont stop hurting...
Venom punches the mirror at the end because the blood symbolizes how he views himself, as a demon. When you get full demon points you can't wash the blood off, so you don't actually look like that, it's just Venom's morals affecting his view of himself. His smashing of the mirror at the end symbolizes he finally accepts himself for who he is and he stops feeling guilty for all the lives he ended over the past 10 years and accepts himself for what he's become.
"You're your own man" *smashes the mirror* I remember I felt like i've learned the lesson, get the message, turned off the ps4 and started to live the life i wanted. I stopped hiding in virtual worlds, i moved out of my comfort zone, took responsibilities etc.Most epic ending ever! Thank you hideo :)
i can't see this scene really praising the idea of "big boss" and the player's participation in creating it when snake shows up in demon mode at the end, punching his own reflection. all of big boss' karma leaked into venom, and he's worse off because of it.
The best part about venom snake is that every major character in Mgs always had some kind of path and pre-destiny bullshit and somehow never ended up making a big mark. This guy had his memory and his whole life stolen. He had to take some of the hardest decisions in MGS history. His sense of self was removed. Yet he is the most human and most badass characters in the game. If anyone ever asks for the proof of soul in fiction, its this guy. This guy is like the counter argument to ship of theseus question.
it's been truly an honor to play this absolutely beautiful timeline that Kojima has masterfully stitched together through out the years. across multiple consoles and years in between. I played TPP when it first came out but only until today did I realize that the ending scene is Solid Snake coming for Venom. I have watched the ending scene many times but I was unable make the connection to MSX. the tape makes so much sense now. Kojima put the truth right in front of us. for years I have been living with this "phantom pain" not making the connection. but now I remember.... I am Big Boss..... and so are you...
the reason why so many players are mad at this ending is because it was done to perfection, this ending was supposed to make you feel angry and betrayed while at the same time mind fucking you and tying up the whole story perfectly in a bittersweet way. IMO this was the perfect final curtain call to one of the greatest video game sagas in history. You are the Big Boss and he is you.
Metal gears existing nonsensical lore is what drags mgsv down. Scenes like this are sadly not appreciated by the masses who instead seek cyborg ninjas fighting mechs. This scene is pure art.
I love this ending, this is Metal Gear Solid 2 all over again, except this is the anthithesis... An "evil" version of MGS2's ending, while Raiden rejected the player and became his own person, the Medic turns his back on whoever he used to be and embraces the idea of "being" Big Boss much like all the players who idolized him and romanticized him as the "true protagonist" after they played MGS3
I just realized that when Venom breaks the window, it zooms in on his eye, but it's the eye that Ocelot shot out by accident in Metal Gear Solid 3. It removes the eye patch to reveal his eye is still there, emphasizing that it wasn't Big Boss we were playing as, but instead, his phantom, the medic. Edit: I also saw that it showed his bionic arm as his real arm. Not sure if it means anything but I thought it was neat.
Even though I like your thought it's cuz the scene is in a mirror until it breaks the mirror making it opposite for us. But the bionic arm thing is true tho
DOES ANYONE NOT NOTICE THAT WHEN VENOM PUTS THE TAPE IN THE BITCORDER AT 4:30 THAT IS A MSX CONSOLE ON THE FUCKING TABLE WHICH HE TURNS ON, THE ORGINAL METAL GEAR WAS ORIGINALLY RELEASED ON THE MSX, THIS IS BREAKING THE 4TH WALL, THE ENTIRE METAL GEAR UNIVERSE IS A SIMULATON
I love this ending. It's like saying goodbye to the father I never had the chance to have. And it means so much to me. He taught me things my real dad probably never could have.
Some things are still iffy. I will refer to the real Big Boss as "Big Boss" and the phantom as Venom Snake. 1. We know from the unlocked tapes at the end of the game that Big Boss was creating Outer Heaven, Ocelot even tells Miller this. If this is the case, then why is Venom Snake the antagonist of MG in Outer Heaven? I mean, how did Venom Snake come into possession of Outer Heaven? 2. If the first is the case, then did Big Boss send Solid Snake to take down Venom Snake, because he had turned into a "demon"? 3. Which Big Boss is in Zanzibar Land?
1. In MG, Venom Snake acted as a decoy for the real Big Boss. Big Boss expected Snake to die long before he reached the Metal Gear TX, but he put Venom there just in case Snake actually made it that far. To make Snake and the US government believe Big Boss is dead. 2. Venom Snake is still loyal to Big Boss and Outer Heaven, even after the deceit. The entire reason he led Snake into the Outer Heaven base was that so he could kill two birds with one stone: Kill Snake and Distract the US to buy enough time to build the Metal Gear. He simply used Venom as a body double to protect himself. 3. You mean in MG2? That was the real Big Boss. Venom died in MG1.
+hakametal Either one of 2 things. In MG1 Venom snake was the physical guy you killed while big boss was on the radio with you the whole tie Or When Venom snake put the Operation N313 tape in the MSX Bit Coder it was meant as a message that his time was done and Big Boss was in Outer heaven to begin his uprising. In the end I think this was more or less kojimas message to the player that we are all Big Bosses and it us fans of the series are what helped metal gear become one of the greatest Video game franchises of all time.
+MrIndiemusic101 The real Big Boss was in charge of FOXHOUND and controlled Outer Heaven through Venom. In mg1 the real big boss is the one on the codec but when you finally meet him it is just venom snake. Big Boss uses this opportunity to create Zanzibar land
the most evil things Big Boss did, was Venom's actions, the worst thing Big Boss did was become America/Zero and use his soldier the same way the boss was used, Big Boss was simultaneously absolved of his previous sins and assigned an even worse one, becoming what he despised. He really is the villain of the series
I mean this wasn’t even that bad. Big Boss didn’t do any of this. He was in a coma when Zero made Venom and Big Boss wasn’t in a position to help Venom other than tell him the truth
This video was in my watch later list for over than 4 years, finally I was able to finish that game and it was an amazing experience but I had to read a lot of wiki articles to better understand the ending and the overcomplicated lore.
Dude just a little time ago one of my friend who is girl sent me voice record and I felt like Venom while listening it and yes it was about truth who was hided from me
2:57 - 3:57 This is actually Kojima speaking to us. Since the very first game, we have been tell that Big Boss is the hero of legend and the ultimate soldier. In MGS1, MGS2 and MGS4, when you do the perfect run in the hardest difficult, you are gave the title of Big Boss. Venom Snake(us) has the hardest "mission" of all Metal Gear and he defeated the most powerful metal gear that has been created. He created diamond dog from dust, take the role of Big Boss with the whole world on his tail, and in the end, he(us) has won. So this was the final message to Kojima to us, he make us Big Boss and we are alos part of the legend.
