Micro Melee #3 - Falco Kill Setups 

Personally, I prefer *D-Air.* Fixed it for you. 😉 (And yes, I do know the original reference.)

Omar G do you know how memes work?

Omar G lul. No. They die after weeks. When years go by. They become a classic. That’s why this comment has so many likes. Pls leave me alone

Back in the day it was just "l2 wavedash" "frames" and "look at my tech skill out of context." You had to figure it out.

I can’t even argue this LOL

Imagine if you worked smart and hard

Incompatible

Just strike FD lol

@@KlangfarbenmelodieEnjoyer ps2, Dreamland… But chaingrab is not really the problem… marth edgeguard falco like a mtf have multiple cheese that lead to a kill. He got awesome combo, falco have some problem to combo marth if we compare to fast faller (Still really good tho) Marth is a low risk high reward on falco, if he touch you once you can die really fast. 45/55 tho

@@elfamosocaribou5709 real, everytime I play against a marth they just f smash at ledge and I can't do anything lol

aLow that’s awesome to hear dude, more videos coming soon! Unfortunately not next Sunday because I’m home for Christmas haha. But really glad you like it

Pslamist SSB expect longer videos in the future!

slizzee maaaaaybe. Probably. I just have a lot of videos coming before that and I’m also a Falco main so it was easy to work on this one since I have years of experience.

Dude, just do literally anything into up smash

Halcyon all I can say is nothing is a coincidence LOL. This video took over 20 hours, as I had to collect all the pro clips, find the percents, etc.

Barry L. Gotta ask Shiz if I missed any ahaha

He'll just tell you that laser is the best kill option

Steven Sihota not exactly sure what you mean by this. Mindsets for percentages?

William Zen sort of. Shine has higher base knockback, but lower knockback growth, which is why it doesn’t kill very early. I agree with everything else you’re saying though lol, but I presented the info the way I did to shorten video

William Zen like there’s lots of little nuances between the two moves, but presenting all of them could easily have added a minute to an already long video haha

MichaelRadar lmao what are the nuances I only know what I wrote in my comment

William Zen well for starters, shine often combos into aerials, bair being the most common one. You can also shine and then shine again, which can setup for weird combos like shine, shine, up-b, lotsa shit haha I’m too tired to explain it all

Albert Aguilar if you look, I actually have a video on this haha

It’s called rising aerials I think, the video I did

Where do you feel this was the case?

Yeah but does that actually combo? As far as I know when testing it didn’t. Lots of people get away with laser f-smash, myself included. That doesn’t mean it’s a reliable true combo.

Well you can jump out of it, but you have to react to the laser which a lot of people wont, and thats why I mentioned its better if theyre jumpless. A really good setup is drop downlaser from a platform when a floatie is recovering then fsmash. PP and shiz get it all the time. I even got it tons of times when I faced jamrun and almost won the set. Its not a true combo but its a great frame trap against floaties especially. Not that useful against fast fallers.

but obviously you cant spam it.

I feel like you’re arguing that I should have put more focus on something that isn’t a true combo and I still DID mention it. Of course laser f-smash lands sometimes, that’s why I put it in the video. But I don’t think I should be hyping it up as a great kill setup if you can jump out of it.

Its a great kill setup regardless of whether it can be jumped out of or not. if you take your opps jump with a laser or anything else then its basically guaranteed. but whatever bro just trying to help out. do what ya want

Ya Boi nope lol, otherwise there would be a video for it! I might make a video for Fox kill options, but if I do it won’t be for a while. This video took waaaay too long

Torje considering my OoT videos are worse than Melee videos, I think it should go pretty well! Feel free to DM on Twitter if you have any questions. I’m happy to help out

Yeah I actually messed that up, it’s no DI!

UniversalTomato oh wow, back when I played puff! I’m hopefully better than I was back then and yeah I still play but I moved to Vancouver!

Xavier Luna what kind of basic tech are you looking for? Pretty sure SSBM tutorials did a series on really basic tech. There are also other videos that cover this if you want me to point you in the right direction

MichaelRadar can you show how to multi shine and moon walk

Pretty please

Maaaybe. I have a lot of other videos I wanna do first and I’m not a Marth main. This video took so much work like, compared to my other videos it was easily twice, if not three times as hard.

What did you test it in?

@@Radarssbm i don't understand your question lol, i tested it in melee 4.07++

@@mrMario468 There's still some version differences and variance within the game. Examples include PAL, but also 1.00 games vs 1.02. If for example, you tested on your gamecube, on a 1.00 disc, you might find certain differences. In the case of my spreadsheet, I didn't test this in game, I tested this using ikneedata.com which is usually accurate. It's worth mentioning that these numbers do NOT include smash DI as a factor. Are you positive that the CPU/opponent you tested it on wasn't doing smash DI? I know with certain bots, they have them SDI like 1/3 of the time, which would extend how long a character can live. I didn't account for smash DI intentionally, for a couple reasons: - SDI could potentially lower the percent that you live until, as well as increase it. Depends on the SDI. - Greatly increases testing complexity - SDI is not something the average player plays against, especially on d-tilt, up-tilt etc.

@@Radarssbm oh yeah i tested it in game, with save states so I was able to perform my own DI cuz I didnt want any Cpu DI as they tent to do crazy DI sometimes, also I only use the c-stick DI and hold an prob just one imput in the analog stick since good players will do at least that im gonna check that site will do my work much easier lol

one imput of smash DI*

Next video

MichaelRadar oh shit my body is ready. Love your videos dude, both micro and macro melee are so informative AND well put together in a digestible way.

Emp thanks dude! Yeah not sure if I’ll be able to get it out this weekend just because I have to do my taxes and shit lmaoooo but we shall see.

MichaelRadar totally understand lmao. Well I'm looking forward to it either way. Have a good one

Joshua snow probably will. A lot of the kill setups are pretty similar tbh. Not sure if I’ll bother doing a spreadsheet though. That added like 10 hours to the video or something ridiculous lol. Do you think the spreadsheet is essential?

MichaelRadar just some setups that will chain into a kill

Honestly feels like you’re describing a spacing problem. Depending on how you space it, the risk is mitigated, but much more importantly, this is a very silly approach to evaluating whether something is good in melee. You can easily substitute laser downtilt for something else in your “gets you killed if you hit their shield or miss” sentence and it’s still just as accurate. Of course a move is bad if it misses. Plenty of great moves that are relatively safe will get you killed if you miss or hit shield in an unsafe way. That’s melee. There’s a reason we see Laser grab, shine, down tilt, up-tilt, f-smash etc used at a high level. It’s because they’re good options. But they’re not invincible lol

schmoop Falco. That’s why I was willing to put in all the effort collecting this information, because it ultimately benefits me. It’s also why I’m much less likely to do a kill setups video with this kind of info for other characters because learning when up-smash kills for sheik or something is a lot of effort for little benefit