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Ronaldo coming back killed Ole off. Bruno creating for Greenwood, Rashford and Cavani was great. Cavani had work rate off the ball as well. Rashford and Greenwood followed Cavani with the same work rate off the ball. The whole system changed just for Ronaldo to score with zero work rate off the ball. Yeah he scored 24 goals but the goal difference was 0. The year before it was +25. A big difference.
I also think Cavani was more constructive when it came to talking to the other players too...there was 1 game (can't recall atm who we played) when Greenwood took a touch then crossed the ball and Cavani didn't get on the end of it. You then saw Cavani speak to Greenwood and gesture "just cross it 1st time for me", which Greenwood did later in the game and boom, Cavani scored. Whereas Ronaldo would just shout at them. Ronaldo coming and taking the 7 is why Cavani fucked it off his last season, Ole promised him the 7 and that no more strikers would be bought that window, then Ronaldo is acquired and demands the 7.
@@garethdeere4822I know right, who sanctioned that signing, his favourite position is where rashford plays. All the while they continued to neglect midfield issues.
Bottled the Europa League final and decided on ruining his plan by signing Ronaldo. Spent far more money than he deserved Without him, the team won trophies with the manager before and after him
If Mourinho took over United right after Sir Alex left, things would be different today. United was a huge catch for Moyes and he wasn’t ready to take the club forward because he had no experience with elite club coaching.
Disagree. I don’t think Mourinho could have run the club like AF did. AF was a workaholic and the club was built around him. The club didn’t then restructure in prep for his retirement. No manager would have succeeded after AF, not even Pep, because the club was a mess then and still is (although finally now being improved by Ineos). Not saying Moyes was the right choice - more that there was no right choice.
When Fergie introduced Moyes to the crowd. I forget the game, but I knew then he was stuffed. He looked like a school boy being pushed forward by the head master. If Fergie's shadow wasn't over him he might have done better. It was a suicide move for Moyes, he should have timed it better.
You clowns are hilarious. Ineos are no different than the Glazers. They are simply kicking the can down the road. You were ass all season but winning that game at the end of the season filled your head with nonsense. ETH stinks. You poached a member of our leadership from our department but you didn't bring Txiki or Pep the guys who matter. You still can't sign top players, no serious players want to play for United. Nothing has changed at United, the roof is still leaking...and you will finish outside the top 4. Sending love from Tempe Arizona USA. @@Matt-JKD
@@Salfordshire You Can't blame ETH for all the injuries we have had over the 9 months. we had the full team back for the FA up final and look what happened.
@@rupertwilmot4792 But 3 and 2 is a strong achievement in itself. Most football experts agree about that. And Ole nearly won a European final against Sevilla. But DeGea didnt score him pen. That was insanely close. A manager can never be judged on a single criteria alone.
@@makoskos100 Nothing? I think TenHag would be ecstatic if he made 3 and 2. But you are so simple minded and think a national trophy counts. You think Real Madrid would be satisfied with a national trophy? That’s funny.
Coming second is a good achievement but Utd are supposed to be challenging for the league. Although Ole did well in the league on paper, the reality is that they never looked like making progress to winning the league and beating City
Moyes took a title winning team to 7th; you want to give him more time? A manager who had won nothing. A competent manager but one to pick up a team to compete? He made United Everton; a team happy to be 6th. Not Moyes fault. He is dull. Boring. A worrier. Believed he was a winner when he had never won anything. He started the rot and United hierarchy are to blame.
@@frankford1115 That title winning squad was one on it's last legs. Giggs,Vidic,Carrick, Ferdinand and Evra were in the twilight of their playing careers at that point. We had sub par players like Alexander Butner,Tom Cleverly and others who weren't at the level we needed them to be. Moyes was also severely let down by the incompetence of Ed Woodward in the transfer market buying one player in the summer window(Paying about £27,000,000 for Fellaini,when he could've signed him a few days earlier for cheaper.) The fact is he was hamstrung from the start.
One of Ole's biggest pitfall is player favoritism...example De Gea and Maguire made blunders after blunders but he kept starting them. I mean, both players ofc need game time to back on track, but he didn't bench them once, it was frustrating for fans to see. Should've given those players a bit of break. Another thing is he was dictated by management and SAF, like the Ronaldo deal. Ole obviously didn't want Ronaldo, but he was forced to accept. Ronaldo is a great player, but not suitable for the team at that moment Other than that, I actually like United when Ole was in charge. Their performance was energetic, very attractive. Even frickn Pogba was on good form in many games. Whenever we face City or Liverpool I always have confidence that we can win.
@@TamrielicScholar I’m surprised and happy that he didn’t take the Brighton job, would have been a logical step career wise. Think United will be in a few years when most the squad who were there when he was a coach have gone.
@@TamrielicScholarNo he wasn’t. He was one of the best coaching talents around when United picked him up. He did great with the academy, and set up a lot of the attacking tactics for United’s first team. Considering Greenwood, Martial and Rashford was the most scoring front 3 for almost that entire year. That says a lot. It’s the media narratives and youtube pundit narratives that almost destroyed his image. And the narratives was WRONG. Just like the Ole narratives.
@@Blaster1713 great he makes a good academy coach and can do well with a championship side... still dont want him at the wheel in the biggest club in the world. Shock horror.
Ole was clearly thrown under the bus!! Especially after the 2nd season. He is time and time again denied a proper DM he was begging for!! Fron Palinha, Rice, Kalvin Philps, Zakaria, even Kante, Locatelli, Koopmeiners, Woodward went everywhere but got nothing!!! Because of that, he was forced to play his most important player of that team Pogba out of position from no. 8 into everywhere LW, RW and where not. Wish Ole had Ratcliffe.
I was sick to death of chopping managers and their philosophies every 2-3 year. When Ole was on the chopping block, I really wanted us to just firm it for another year. We needed (still need tbf) to just ride the wave, no matter how rough. I’m glad EtH has been given backing because another sacking, another transition would have pissed me off to the point of no return
Not winning the Europa League title was the beginning of the end for Ole tbh. I've always believed had he won it the narrative on him would be different. Failing to address the midfield and his reliance on McFred, Maguire, Lindelof, Wan-Bissaka, Shaw, Rashford and Bruno Fernandes was killing him and failure to fully utilize the squad. Signing Ronaldo was unnecessary and further accelerated his downfall and it didn't help Ole had Carrick, Phelan and McKenna who was his coaching staff. His final nail came in the Watford game when we got smashed. Ole is still a club legend no matter what but he needs to improve in his in game management and tactical skills to manage Manchester United once again.
They’ve tried everything. Employed veteran champions league and domestic winning managers, Brought back club legends, employed potential greats. They have spent millions and stayed the same. Total mess. I think ten hag needs one more season after winning trophy’s but he’s going to have to give the first team a clear out then he will have to spend millions bringing in new faces but will the team click? Can’t see him being there end of next season and if they bring someone else in and the manager list they have what can they do any better then what ten hag has already done? You need a big personality to change that club. Like what Klopp did at Liverpool. Liverpool were in a similar position . Klopp changed all that.
Ole a brilliant bloke but let the dressing room go toxic. You have to be ruthless with difficult players. Zero discipline. Phelan is just a yes man looking after number one. Ole is toast as is Phelan !
For me the biggest mistake was getting rid of Ole when they did, he should have gone to the end of the season, the half season under Rangnick was a disaster from almost every aspect. He was definitely the wrong man at the wrong time.
More like right man at the wrong club. Good coach (as seen everywhere else he's been) and a great football mind (as ETH himself basically said). He was hung out to try at the biggest football club in the world with people above who knew nothing about it (Woodward, Murtough, Arnold, Judge, Glazers, ...). To be fair, same can be said for Ole - I don't think he was a good manager (considering he didn't want a holding 6 and kept playing a pivot of McFred) but he would've done more with a right structure above (considering they'd let him become a manager in the first place).
One key difference....Klopp did not earmark his successor as Sir Alex did. Edwards is a canny operator and looks like he is ready to make unpopular decisions. No one saw Slot as a favourite for the Liverpool gig.
Absolutely. Ferguson owned that horse from 2001-04. And from that time until Ferguson retired, United only won 7 premier leagues, a European cup, an FA cup and 3 league cups. Yep, total demise of the club
@@christopherpenny6083@Jake87275 is referring to the current ‘owners’ being aggressive in purchasing MUFC using a loan then throwing that loan onto MUFC. The rest, leading up to the current day and the pitiful shape that we’re in, is a result of the dispute SAF had with the owners of the horse Rock of Gibraltar. So theoretically, had SAF not had the dispute over horse spunk, MUFC wouldn’t have been taken over in the way they were. Probably.
People blaming Ronaldo for Ole's failure should go and check the injury history from that season. Cavani missed half a season through injury Greenwood had his off the field issues since December Martial not available half the time So I don't see how Ronaldo's return killed Ole. Ole was a tactically inept manager which he confessed in the overlap interview it was just about vibes.
Ole was what the club needed to removed the dark cloud. If ten hag came then the players would have scapegoat him and he would of been sacked in a year
If United had given Ole 5 years blanco, he would have made United a powerhouse in the same way you ONLY see Real Madrid is. No other clubs are even REMOTLY near. City are miles and mile below. Ole would have made Manchester United the only club in the world remotly close.
@@guttormmarkussen2662 u are dreaming. feel good factor won't make us great. ole wasn't qualified for the job initially. lets stop being pitiful. we were never going to win trophies under ole. it was fun in the beginning but a more competent person should haver been brought in immediately after the ship was steaded.
MAN UTD HAVE STRUGGLED SINCE FERGIE LEFT .WE'VE WON 2 LEAGUE CUPS 2 F.A CUPS A EUROPEAN TROPHY AND CHARITY SHIELD .STILL ALOT MORE THAN ALOT PREM TEAMS .
What went wrong? For a start OGS was never qualified to manage United. But he has now set the bar so low that United appointed E7H as their manager. It is just a matter of time until Big Sam also gets a chance😂😂
So Ferguson never conceded 6 or 7 before right, Grow up kid, conceding 7 doesn't mean you're a mad manager, all big managers have lost heavily before, is no news, just grow up and learn football not just spitting rubbish
With all respect to Mick, I rate him the least out of Kidd, Mclaren, Queiroz, And Rene… because of what we were under Ole, and the interviews he’s done since. He seems absolutely clueless, left behind, fossil thinking. Ole needed someone to get tough with him and tell him that tactics , personnel but especially the culture needed a change, and out of McKenna and Carrick, mick was the only one with the experience to really do that. They coddled that group and we’ve been paying for it ever since, and it’s stifled ETH tremendously to this day.
Ultimately the players ran out of steam? After 15 odd games?! Ole got the job on the back of beating psg in what, a quarter final CL tie? And things went t!ts up from there… That guy in press conferences… has there ever been a manager in prem history that outed himself so often as to not knowing wtf was going on with his players and training? 🤦🏻♂️
Ok I’ve just finished watching this clip now. Mick Phelan was definitely a determining factor in why things went to 💩 with ole at united. He is so bloody clueless, naive. 😂😂😂
Agreed. Talking absolute shite. Stating Ole should have been backed at the time he was sacked. Like we’re just supposed to ignore how bad it was. He was happy to just be employed again after leaving and ending up working in the Aleague.
Perfect comment. Saved me from having to say exactly this. Discipline, professionalism and standards went out of the window. Yes it improved the atmosphere in the short term, but in the long term we’ve paid for it.
As the top performer in recent times, I've written extensively about the monumental failure of the current form of football. Manure encapsulates all of those elementary mistakes very neatly. When Ferguson was developing his empire, he was able to go get Lee Sharpe and Cantona cheaply. Today, anyone within a light year of signing at OT automatically thinks that they're the next Bryan Robson and is evaluated accordingly.
So saying thats why Ole was the manager he basically saying he did jackshite just leeching a salary. Sat their like a glazer puppet during Ralf time as well. He was no good on his own as well. So not sure why people give him any credit.
Mourinho’s ruthlessness would have weeded out the weak and the unfitting and brought back much needed discipline and character in that dressing room if he was afforded more time. Bringing Ole in was a short term solution that led to long term issues that are persistent even now.
@@nickmccartan8128Never the right man for the job. He's toxic, can start an argument in an empty house, and his brand of football is the complete opposite of United's traditional attacking style of play (same with Spurs, too). Mourinho basically undermined Van Gaal from the sidelines, having always made it very clear he wanted the job. Then, when he finally got it, didn't even settle in Manchester, staying at the Lowry Hotel, and spending a lot of time in London. He was disastrous. Unfortunately, he's got this online fan boy following, who think he walks on water...
OGS The baby faced assassin. Everything was unbelievable until he signed the contract. I often wonder what could have been? 😢 Mike is the same in real life as he is here. It’s been a long long journey
He's being asked questions regarding the club as an organisation... Football, football questions I wouldn't be underestimating him.. as nice as he is you also get the feeling he knows how to take care of himself. He has a boxing trainer aura about him. Raw, knowledgeable, a winner and a grafter.
I will always love Ole for his time as a player...But he was very limited as a coach - it was sit back and counter attack, which is not good enough for United. He was badly let down by the board with signings though, Ronaldo being 1 especially, instead of a young mobile striker we needed. He's always going to be tainted by the 0-5 v Liverpool and the pathetic performance in the Europa League final. McFred in midfield. So many home defeats as well.
This is a guy who says Ten Hag doesn't deserve any more time, yet it was Ole and this guy as his assistant that set the club back years with their all mates rubbish, IMO. Not good enough, never were.
Setting united back by back to back top 4 finishes and a European final? And getting rid of a lot of overpaid mid players like Lukaku and bringing in likes of Bruno?
@@Ambitiousofficialuk we lost on a penalty shootout that was literally 10-11. Unless you want Ole to take a pen, there's nothing more he could've done.
After all this when we're in the Ole era it was a nightmare. Especially with the talent he had at his disposal. ETH has made Ole look better than what he was.
Ole sign -Maguire -James -Bissaka -sancho -Van da beek -Varane -Give phil jones contract extension when e cant even play a single epl match -Let Paul pogba for free because he cant make an acumen decision of whether to let him go while his stil on contract when his market price was still high etc etc. To sum up hes too green and amicable to be a big club manager.
Ole had 3 yrs , that was 2 to many , the initial run of winning was because it was Mourinho's team not Ole's , to say he hadn't lost the dressing room and they didn't down tools is ridiculous and to pass off the Watford 4 nil loss as a last 10 minute thing shows you why Man U ended up in the very deep and nasty Ole didn't have a clue and obviously neither did Phelan .
