I think the solution for this problem is High School not College. Too many High schools have been busy trying to prep kids for college and not the workforce. We need more career classes for these students to teach them to use their skills outside of High School. They cram allot of worthless classes on these students that serves no purpose on the outside world. Show these kids where the good money is really at and make their last 2 or three years of high school education tailored to that career. Also have more school to work like programs so they get a better idea of the job. This would bring back the value of high school education and not only will you graduate with a diploma you will also have a degree or certification. If you want to advance or change your career then there is college.
If no one signs up for the classes, how do the schools justify the cost of maintaining shop related training. Mediocre pay for clerical, and entry level positions is pushing many under grads to take skilled trades positions and they excel because they learn quickly and have no qualms about accepting a challenge.
Or better yet....apprenticeship! Book classes part of the day....on the job training *at* the desired job of each student! I have been homeschooling my children and my 14 year old son gets his book work done in the morning then often works at my dad's garage....he knows things about cars that most adults don't know! He is being prepared for this to be his job when he graduates! :)
Everyone paid attention to when he asked the most important question? "How did tuition get more expensive than energy, food, real estate, and health care?" And he hits it right on the money. Everyone is encouraged to go to college and the government will let anyone take all the money they need as a loan to pay back. Add with that you can get a degree for something absolutely useless and we have the current problem with higher education.
I remember back in middle school, we had a class called "Home Economics" where we learned how to cook & sew.. I still use those 2 skills to this day and that class no longer exists😐😐😐
I agree...I'm a welder in AZ (non union) thank god. But I work in a 72 degree air conditioned shop and make almost 6 figures with zero school debt. Yes it took me 12 years to get here but I enjoyed every step of on the job training I had. Get your shit together boys....the skilled trades are where the cash is if you're simply willing to get off of your ass and build the shit only welders can build. Get an education that matters.... Building the US never stops. Start your training now.
When I was in my early 30s I was doing construction and my boss was 10 younger than me and had a college degree. I did not. I've never regreted not going to college, I got a lot of my extra education in the army.
Pipe welding, no I did not do the apprentice program. When I had all my hours I showed the governing body my hours and exp and I was able to write my Red seal/Journey man exam. 70%+ pass. Pipe welders are the one's who make the most money. Even more when you work Nuclear.
I went from the Marine Corps infantry from 2002-2006 (yes I went to Iraq) to a Safety Manager today. I make 6 figures and I'm dirty and tired every day. I sleep extremely well. By me gaining experience in construction over the years my options are pretty much unlimited in the realm of safety. How much did this education cost me in dollars? Like 3400 bucks in BCSP testing / tuition. I worked my ass off and studied when I saw an opportunity. I learned safety by working the trade then learning the regulations. Now 34 years old I'm almost done in my community college (cheap as hell) to get my AS in safety which will push my earnings to 150,000+ a year. I have over 6 years of experience in the field and am currently making 105,000 a year as a safety Manager for a construction company. I have Amazon, Colonial Pipe Line, CAT, and 3 major developers trying to snatch me up so I can come run their safety programs for insane amounts of salary. I'm not even done with a simple AS degree yet. While my profession isn't a trade as Mike describes it. I found myself in the trades and decided to educate myself on a subject I find awesome, safety. I have zero debt in the form of school loans, make great money and love my job. Sure I'm dirty and it can be stressful. But I love being dirty and I perform great under stress. The big paycheck helps too. On a side note, I'm not even the highest paid person I've run into. I've seen plumbers, electrical contractors, welders and other trades who make more than I do very frequently on the jobs I visit. I don't know what happened to work, as in working physically. Somewhere along the lines trade work became "uncool" or "below me". Now there is such a shortage that trade workers are making as much if not more than programmers at google or Facebook. As for me I'll take the open air, lunch in a box and overtime any day over sitting at Google smashing keys on salary working 14 hr days and having free lunch and nap pods, fuck that. I bet you agree :-)
Completely agree I graduated with a degree in nutrition and the prospect for jobs are there but the pay is nowhere near what a plumber or electrician or maybe even a welder would get. I had a friend that hated the idea of taking over his dad's business because he was a plumber. This same guy is now on my local television running commercials throughout the week
He is Literally wearing the SAME shirt he wore on a Dec 2016 NBC table panel with suit-wearing Leftist media. He is without a doubt the most genuine, rational people out there.
I have NO college degree and still managed to make a whole he'll of a lot more money every year than my college educated in-laws and friends from high school and ALL of my college graduate over debt neighbors. When I graduated high school, I knew my parents did not have the money to send me to college. I applied to several schools after taking the SAT, but I graduated at the end of my JUNIOR YEAR. I hadn't heard from any of the schools I applied to, so at 17 and out of school I enlisted in the Corps. Did 6 years in a career field I wanted to do, but does not have any civilian carry over. After getting out of the Corps I went to a family reunion and saw some relatives in had not seen in about 10 years. Everyone asked what I was going to do since I got out of the military. I applied to several law enforcement agencies, but while waiting to hear from them my cousin suggested that I go to truck school. I did. The first 2 years were not that great for income. 3rd year and large national car hauler company was hiring in my area. The first 6 months I had to pay for my rooms out of my pocket. Then my probation period was over and the money started coming in. It was a union job, and I hated it. Did 5 years and left for a better job. NO union. Then I really was making a killing. In the 20 years I hauled cars my worst year, also firth year was $120,000. I'm now retired at 50.
Way back when (70's) we had to take aptitude test. Those who had better than average academic skills were steered down the higher education path. Those who did not fare so well academically were steered towards a vocational path. They stopped that practice in the 80's to our detriment.
Simply put, he's FOR education as a concept, AGAINST education as an institution, or at least against the current institution, which is an international failure on broad scale, US and EU alike. He's right.
Serving his country by berating young people for not wanting to take up low pay jobs with no advancement? Most welders make $50k a year. What's the point?
awesome information! thank you, I didn't know there was anyone out there talking about these jobs, I've told a many a person, relatives, about going out an getting a VOC school skill..! broadcast to the hills mighty man and help bring back this countries infrastructure! I have nieces an nephews that did the college thing and have mountains of debt an can barely get a job with the worthless degree they "had to have" .. keep preaching Mr Rowe!
When you get the skills and / or open a plumbing / electrician / heating, ventilation and air conditioning (HVAC) business, those jobs can't be sent "off-shore." You take those skills with you when and where you go. It's great for our country, too.
One thing not being mentioned is the fact that their are a lot of employers out there that are not going to hire these college liberal arts graduates that have learned the bull#### that we all can see
you know what one skill you need to be succesfull? People skills. you need to be able to make people like you and learn how to make that work for you. Yeah some careers require a degree but thats to only demonstrate you can finish a project. You can finish your degree and if you suck at people skills you are not going to have it easy.
Here is something funny. I literally just looked at an local job add that wanted a bachelors degree for a $12 an hour office job.... I know welders without high school diplomas that make 6 figure incomes hahahahahahaha
Lee Blackman my daughter's father is one now. He finally stopped going to jail, and grew up just a little, and now he makes more than me with my degree.
@@highstreetkillers4377 That is the average salary/hourly income for welders in America. The welders who make 6 figures are in Pipe, Nuclear, or some sort of specialized area that requires a multitude of welding skills for different materials and alloys.
Great and important topics! However, at times I couldn't quite make out what was being said: your voices were at times so quick and squeaky ... try slowing down a bit, relax ... your audience is not out to get you!
I met Mike in San Francisco while I was working in Apple retail, he kind of surprised me because he taped me on the shoulder asking a question about his iPhone and for a second it threw me off because his voice is so instantly recognizable that I knew it was him before even turning around.
Im online right now. Attempting to fill out an application. Its asking me for a program key....i did not get one, at least not that i am aware of. Ive been watching my mailbox......
The best statement from this was saying to make the acronym STEMS. If you have a job in just about any STEM field, you work side by side with a skilled person. Also, ore often than not people go back and forth between STEM jobs and skilled jobs at large manufacturing companies because they go hand and hand with each other.
Unfortunately our society has devalued Skilled Trade jobs. Quite simply not every person is interested or suited for college. We have removed VoTech training from our High Schools to our detriment. Electricians, Plumbers, Welders, Pipe Fitters are all very worthy jobs. They pay well, Cannot be outsourced to China or India.
My son finished highschool with top marks, went to pilot training school, worked as a waiter and bartender to pay his way, trained some more over in England and now fly's Airbus A330. He lives in Asia and makes over $200,000/yr. To his credit, he studies and learns the 'college' stuff on his own free time.
This video made me think of the movie, "Departures." It's a Japanese movie with subtitles. Many Japanese people also have the same attitude about blue collar work. That movie shows the value of workers doing what many see as dirty or undesirable work.
In my experience they pay little better then the jobs that keep you clean. I don't know where these jobs are that they talk about but all the manual labor jobs I've seen don't do all that great, and they have the added disadvantage of ruining your body.
@Albert Wesker What people didn't realize is that most of the time, teachers teaches to students abstract mathematical examples, which are not related to everyday's life.
I just recently have had my job eliminated after 34 years and not able to post for the exact same job just because I don't have a bachelor's degree or certification. Amazing how I've done the job for 34 years without it but all of a sudden it's needed.
I remember back in good old 1984 when I was still in high school and I went to a vocational program that the high school with buses to called scrock Southern California regional Occupational Center and where I learned many different things in their carpentry drywall electrical I eventually moved to Hawaii where I did just that carpentry and Roofing I even did commercial fishing for a couple of years that was really fun. agriculture which I stayed in for 15 years growing everything from cut flowers to Baby lettuce. now I drive semis back and forth across this great nation. and don't knock growing cut flowers, and if you'll hold on just a minute I'll pack one into a bowl for you. Hahaha
Nearly ALL those jobs will be automated, almost none of those jobs will be full time human positions. You want a skill find someone to shadow, become a journeyman or find a mentor.
not for 300 years....only "shop jobs"...and manufacturing, unless union affiliated, probably sport the lowest wages in the sector. If we could design, manufacture and sell a robot that would or could replace plumbers, electricians, drivers, welders, orthodontists, heart surgeons....life as we know it would be over, where could we go from there? Then AI would target the remaining upper echelon white collar stuff.
if someone would give me a grant, or some sort of technical school or trade school..to learn another trade. id do it in a heartbeat..physical or "work" is fine by me
I overheard a blue-collar worker at a barbershop, where I was getting a haircut, who spoke about his job as a truck driver. He had paid a few thousand dollars for truck driving school and paid only a few thousand. He told me that the previous year he grossed $250,000 for that year. He added that he made more because he owned his own truck and truck drivers who own their own rigs make a lot more. He said that he began making money almost as soon as he was done with school and paying for his state license.
Student loan debt is huge. Think about all those electives and other "required" courses that never taught anything of practical value that you will be paying for, at interest, for many years. Years and years and years of writing out that check or making sure the auto pay clears once a month. Did you get your money's worth for all that debt?
"Entitlement" is THE major problem, especially in the youth of today! Not everyone is cut out for a college education, like welders, auto mechanics, construction workers, etc! I love Mike Rowe!!!
My kid went to 3 semesters of trade school, worked hard for 8 years at the same company doing what ever they wanted, and now is a superintendent making over $85K a year with 3 weeks paid vacation - full health care paid by the company - and a vehicle paid for by the company. How many college graduates will be making that kind of money after graduation and 8 years working??? Not many!!!!!
Oh yes, and by the way, while doing this he got free place to live where ever he was and money for food all tax free...Now he gets paid company living places and they are picked out by him.
The best way to go is to go to a Junior College first. Not many people realize that most four year college students DON'T finish college and shows nothing on their resume accept DEBT. If student went to a Junior college first they receive an AA degree and then can go to a four year college and start off as a junior which is more affordable . And when they graduate they now have both an AA degree and a BA degree which companies are impressed with.
One of the reasons that, these manufacturing jobs, "disappeared" isn't goverment regulation, it's reflection on technology making a lot these jobs obsolete. Either adapt or die.
she used to be an MTV VJ in the late 80's-late 90's...that is where most of us know Kennedy from...I saw a clip recently on youtube that I remember watching when it aired in the 90's .Kennedy interviewing Rob Zombie in a shower as they paint artwork on it as an MTV White Zombie plays in your backyard special.Or when she Dressed as Grapes for halloween MTV performance special ....ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-r66X6XI8CDk.html.... ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-wyfmDgd9F-o.html
shes been doing radio talk shows for many years since leaving MTV at the end of the 1990's...she also did that Tv game show in the early 2000's called 'friend or foe'...you can watch uploaded full episodes of that on youtube.
You can still work in white collar jobs without going to college. It's actually preferable with many of these new tech jobs that aren't taught in college.
I work at an Amazon Warehouse, and this week a contracting crew started construction on a giant metal welded automated sorting machine that will replace 10% of workers. We get paid 14.25$ per hour. It's not enough. An avg of 3-5 hrs a day . It's not doable anymore. I need to find a different job. Something that offers me more continuity.
Bebe Speaks The same could be said for jobs that people went to college to get. How many middle managers get laid off every year when big companies down size. At least if you are a journeyman electrician, plumber, etc you c an do side jobs for cash. Just have to be careful the union does not find out and censor you, but at least you won't starve. Hard for a college educated middle manager to stand on the Sid elf the road with a sign "Will fill out TPS reports for food". College is becoming a scam. It is expensive and the payoff is getting less and less every year. With big companies wanting more B1 visas so they don't have to pay U.S. Citizens a fair wage and college tuition rising kids these days are screwed. Also tell me why an engineering student needs to take from 10 to 15 hours of humanities classes to graduate? Probably so some humanities teachers will have a job. Yep that Ancient Civilization class I took in college comes in handy occasionally when I am watching jeopardy. Unless you are going into a STEM field college is a money losing proposition .
They are missing one huge point: 9/10 carpenters who build houses are miserable. It's back-breaking slave labor. And If you live in a cold state like MN, you get to do it in below freezing weather 6 months out of the year! Other trades like masonry can be even worse.
I'm a carpenter none of my crew are miserable we have a positive work environment there's like 10 of us. I think the people you're referring to are the ones we call where I'm from, pussies.
I agree with everything Mike says about college is not for everyone, but the problem is is that people look at trade school as the only alternative to college. There's got to be other options in lifethat allow you to use your mind, rather than body. Trade schools are not for everyone either. Trade school is definitely one option, but it shouldn't be the ONLY option to college with making a living.
No on that note maybe school to start putting auto shops back in what shops back in maybe the metal shop in photography because I can tell you when all those programs are there I think it helps kids grow a great knowledge on how to do stuff themselves instead of throwing a more math classes science history maybe history should be taught more to make them learn actual history. But in the end I think we should start putting butter electors back in because I know when I was in school we are great ones like graphic arts wood shop Photography agriculture homework and metal shop but i out of those ones only one is around now and that is wood shop. We also had auto shop which is still there and agriculture which is coming back but not for the right reasons because if they don’t have an agricultural program they will lose the property
There are many more job opportunities where you can get paid while you learn. I know several plumbers who learned the basics in school, went out under the supervision of master plumbers to apply what they had learned the week before. They then went back to class and learned more advanced things and ... went out to use it in the field. I know electricians who did the same thing. All of those people are now mentoring people walking the steps they themselves took. Meanwhile, college educated people who see the vocational trades as beneath them are living hand to mouth for 5 to 10 years to pay off debt, if they even find work in an employee rich, job starved environment.
My son, who has a psychology/counseling degree went into debt for his degree. He paid for his school working as an HVAC tech at his university with training they provided. He's still working there as an HVAC tech after graduating. ??? Ummm...He can make more money as an HVAC tech than he can as a counselor. Does any of this seem insane to you?
Wallace Wimmer Mike Rowe needs to be president Trumps JOBS CZAR. I'm 53 with an engineering degree and never made the $ before . That I'm making NOW in the oil & gas industry "with my HANDS". Sweating & stackin' cake MAGA Mike Rowe
This may have been published 2 years ago, it is so appropriate at this time, because Trump has been talking quite a bit about how millennials pay what $500,000 for a 4 year college strapping them into debt for a lifetime, taking classes and choosing majors that employers just aren't looking for, and finding out that jobs just aren't waiting for them and they will likely end up working at a fast food restaurants and living at home with their parents, which is hardly the dream they had in mind when they invested so much money. And, confidentially, they would be far better off never having gone to a 4 year college or university because they won't be exposed to the fascist, marxist professors who have infiltrated American Schools and will come out feeling less suppressed and far happier.
It would be great to stop saying people are not 'cut out' to go to college. The phrase works but it sounds like it is used to mean someone is not good enough. If you are going to say that then you should also say that college kids are not cut out to be tradesmen or laborers.
There are some people that actually aren't cut out for College. They want to explore the world and don't want to stay all day in a library learning abstract concepts.
I'm a machinist with 20 years experience and a grade 9 education. I learned by thinking and getting yelled at. So many times I get new kids that paid $15 000 for a machinist certificate and don't know basics. They'll sit infront of the programming software and say, "train me". lol. I say, "theres the help section, try" Unfortunately pride in your work, willingness to learn, work, and ability to teach yourself are gone. So many kids ask, "what do I do?" . lol. This ain't McDonalds, you gotta think, thinking is part of the job. Hilarious they'll say, "impossible, can't do it". I come over and get it done
The problem nowadays with Mr. Rowe is he is always singing the same songs and millennials are immune to it. He must innovate if he wants to open their minds
Problem : young people want glamour they want to become famous they they want to set a reputation of themselves of Im to smart to have to work hard and especially don't want to have someone tell them what to do , when to do or how don't want to sweat,get dirty,or ruin there hundred and seventy five dollar sneakers they bought prob living rent free at home, god forbid if they get a blister . These things are not fun I admit but to get respect you have to pay your dues just like everyone before you and show the world what your made of.(man or woman)
Quit telling people how to live. They can do what they want if it’s not illegal. U probably watch college football and those are young people working hard as hell for old people’s entertainment
You said "Educate them for jobs that don't exist anymore.". You hit the nail on the head. We need Trump to include the outsourcing of SERVICES in his plans to force employers to HIRE AMERICAN.
Free market. Work harder and smarter than immigrants. Last 10 years I've been the only one at work that isn't an immigrant. Why? Cause kids think they get a job making big money cause they bought a certificate. Rest of the world knows you gotta start at the bottom, get experience, and prove your worth more money
