Video overview detailing the differences between a commercial Sig Sauer M18 and a contact overrun M18 built for the military. Thanks for watching! My insta: / inferior_rifles
@@InferiorRifles I noticed the difference, too. Your explanation makes sense, since issue pistols should rarely, if ever, shoot lighter commercial ammo. NOW I need to find some ammo comparable to milspec, to see how it runs in my commercial pistol.
NATO m1152 ball ammo is extremely hot and will penetrate super deep, those rounds out of a 4.5 will chrono nearly 1400 fps and are no joke at nearly 500 ft lbs.Not your gramps old 45acp ball gi ammo.
The sights on the commercial version are lengthened to accomodate those two mounting screws. I actually just spoke with a rep from Sig yesterday regarding this and the new M17 optic they showed off at SHOT. That M17 is only compatible with the military single-screw mount and is not slated for commercial release at this time. They are working on ways to adapt it, but that won't be a reality for a while.
@@Whiskey.Tango.Actual As I understand it, that sight is a military release only at this time. The rep that I spoke with was NOT happy that they showcased the optic at all since it is not compatible with commercial guns. As I said, they are apparently trying to make a version that can be sold commercially, but it doesn't sound like that will be a reality for some time. The issue is the closed emitter, the low profile that allows it to co-witness with standard height sights, and the overall layout of the sight. I'm sure they will figure it out, but it's going to be a minute....
@@MichaelTravis12c27 so are you thinking it'll be highly unlikely us now in the first Civ Div will actually be able to get the new optic? Even if we have the correct slide?
Thanks! I didn't realize there were so many differences; I thought it was just the slide markings--and the price. Collector value will make the 'contract' guns far more expensive.
I have one of the Military M18s. I did a detailed comparison with the Commercial M18. The Military M18 has a "P" stamped on the side of the barrel. You have to disassemble the firearm to see it. This is the standard "Military Proof Mark" and is not present on the Commercial M18. Being a Retired Marine, I love having the real deal.
Just got a M17, didn’t know there was a difference but I got the contract version, you’re right nothing like that feeling of having the real deal. 😄 Semper Fi.
What do you mean real deal they both shoot 9mm at the end of the day 😂 when you start upgrading the gun those differences from factory dont matter no more
Commercial version has green night sights on the rear and the military version has orange night sights on the rear. The extractor pin on the military version needs a torx bit to remove where the commercial version does not. Also, the coyote brown PVD on the slide varies. I have seen military versions of the M18 that do in fact have the darker finish like the commercial one in your video. Maybe it's just a batch color variance. I think that there may be more corrosion resistant coatings on the military FCU as well. Not sure about that.
Slide is heavier, coating is army trade secrets, recoil spring is heavier, nights sights are different color, rear plate is single screw, too take slide apart requires spinner wrench. ..fcu has special coating as well.
The difference is the military model is fitted with a pretension barrel/slide fitment with accommodating recoil spring assembly. These guns (and top ends) are designed specifically to cycle the MHS ammunition M1152, which is a hot loaded 9MM cartridge similar to what is commonly referred to as “NATO” 9MM.
If this is a correctly marked m18, it will have 3 lines on the right side of barrel of markings, plus a p on the under, and on the left side it will also be marked on the barrel. it will also have markings under the slide in the area where the barrel sits. It would be really cool if you could show these markings by taking the barrel out of the slide. Cheers
They actually have two different slide catches available in the regular market. The early one was smaller and I believe the made it a little larger for people, however some people preferred the smaller catch depending on how they shoot.
So the one difference I did find from being issued one and owning one was the recoil spring. The issued ones were circular where it rests on the barrel and the commercial had flat sides (2 short, 2 long) and could only be seated in a certain way when being reassembled. Function and all, the coating on the slide would wear a bit easily and could notice the discoloration when it got warm for the issued ones we had. It wasn't like the very first batches where the controls were also fde color, it was the newer ones where the serials started with TF and the controls were black too
@Rick Nethery's Firearm Channel from what I've heard a little bit of blue locktite will work just fine, and it is what Sig recommends, Sig just "forgot" to do it at the factory.
My only real complaint is the way optics are installed on to the slide. The newer Sigs like the AXG Scorpion changed that with a removable plate that is unscrewed from the top instead of the bottom of the slide and the rear sight stays on the gun.
All M18s&M17s are on the same assembly line now. At first they kept things separate but now it is all the same. Especially in my experience the National Guard M18s/M17s are the exact same they sell to everyone else. They say P320 along side the M18 mark and come in a hard case like you would get at the store. Source-CO Army National Guard.
Not sure the difference but we just got in over 200 M18s packaged and marked like in the vid. with no P320 marking. Ours were packaged in Jan this year and received a few weeks ago (cardboard box).
The TDP tolerance stack up and the barrel to slide interfaces are much tighter on the contract guns. This was an accuracy requirement by the DOD. Strait from my sig rep.
Have fired both and saw no difference in accuracy. And most shooting being 25 yds or less anyway. First I have heard of DoD requiring less distance barrel to slide interface as part of contract. Would like to find out if that is in print somewhere. People I work with have been very curious about this very thing.
TC prefix are very rare right now. I picked up 2 a few weeks ago and they were running. $750. I bought them on a military base and they only were given 5 from the distributor.
For all the comments about the slide not being in battery, it doesn't really matter. It'll still fire that way just fine. If it's really that big of a deal, just swap recoil spring out with the civilian one.
@@outdawrzmuhn it fires just fine out of battery. I have one myself. Just for the fun of it, I always fire the first round with the slide back a little.
@@spookydookees4399 @David_1 this topic has been covered in other comments. The tight lockup between the barrel and slide is intentional to increase accuracy, and does not affect function when firing. www.ar15.com/forums/handguns/P320_Pretension___information_sharing/14-173444/
@@InferiorRifles Some M18s have been reported to be developing a ring of metalic buildup in the back of the barrel that actually prevents the round from seating enough to close the action and fire - at least when trying to use military ball ammo. I have seen this personally at work. Sig recommended other ammo than military ball is what I understood.
Love my P320, but have changed out the trigger, grip module, miled the slide to lighten it up, added a gas pedal and had it coated in dark bronze. It doesn't fire anywhere close to what it did when I first bought it, but it's a far better pistol.
So like you said the contractor and commercial sights the biggest difference. Contractor Issued rear sight falls off randomly, reason too much racking the slide back wrongly. I’ve seen while on the range happen several times. The Commercial i’ve not heard any issues, since it’s bolted down as one piece so i’d say commercial is reliable
Crazy part my X5 legion came with a QR for the manual. The basic batch 320 book was on back order for a while with the legion coin/bags till a month ago.
Did the contract M18 comes with a +P recoil spring like the contract issue M17? I have a commercial M18 and a milsurp M17 with FDE controls and the slide finishes are the same. I don’t recall if there is a +P spring in the M17 case but the M17 is issued with 2 springs.
Wish they would do the rear optic cut like they are currently doing that retains the rear irons! Also I think that's PVD coated if I'm not mistaken. Also your loaded chamber indicator isn't on the commercial model. Also, the QR code I don't believe is on the earlier commercial models.
What sucks, the new sig's red dot is made to be mounted with that single hole on the rear. So whoever has the commercial version would have to drill their slide...
@@RedEyePergo it's actually not that bad, it is bolted on one side and hooked up on opposite side. If you ever had to remove sig optics cut cover you probably know what I am talking about. Otherwise look up Romeo m17, it's pretty cool. I just hate the being forced to drill my slide.
That is just for government contracts, they said the commercial version of the Romeo M17 will have a different footprint. It will surely be compatible with the commercial P320 slides.
The commemorative edition guns are based on the first batches of issued pistols. The black controls came later, as did different serial number prefixes.
I must say, its strange you say if you mount a laser/red dot you loose the rear sight. On my M17 P320 4.7 Xfull, which came equipped with the Romio1 pro, my rear sight (that short you have) is still in place, and I can use it should the battery die or so.
@@InferiorRifles Really? I see,,, Perhaps those dealers didn't know anything about their inventory, like when they said, "Its the same pistol, except without the M17 marking", emphasis was more in sales.. I do like the fact I can pop that trigger assbly out and drop in a different frame; .357 or 40. Fantastic pistol. I chose that one because (my preferred choice) the P226 was not available at that time.
The tight fit between the barrel and slide is intentional. More info below www.ar15.com/forums/handguns/P320_Pretension___information_sharing/14-173444/
Are they selling your version as a regular item or is it surplus? I have an M18 Commemorative and it has coyote color controls. I also have the commercial version. Sweet gun!
Supposedly, only a handful of the contract overrun pistols were released to the civilian market. There are M17 contract overruns available with a TF serial number prefix. Remains to be seen if Sig will continue to release more for civilians.
I thought the actual military issue pistols had all FGDE hardware too, like the trigger and safety lever. Also, isn't there some sort of lock that prevents it from being fully disassembled except by the armorer? Or is the specifically a Marine versions as opposed to the Army version?
Only the first “batch” of pistols had FDE controls, all issued guns moving forward will have black controls. The “lock” was an idea that was tossed around but was never implemented.
Correct. The initial field tested batch had the FDE PVD controls. I have one that was issued and deployed to Iraq. The Army didn’t like how the PVD finish would wear so they asked to have them switched with black controls. The FDE control pistols were then swapped out and put into surplus status and released to the civ market to help recoup costs and as a huge plus to collectors. The rear takedown lock you speak of that was initially pictured in some of the early trial putouts was never implemented and did not go into wide production. Even the Sig employees cannot get hands on one as they were not part of the contract guns.
I really have a distain for this pistol already, having been issued it. Unecessarily complicated, I've seen alot of new soldiers take apart and put back together and then proceed to have trigger failures
@@swampenjoyer443 your expectation is reasonable and still to high. They should try to sell simple shit to simple people. We still use the 50 cause it's simple and works.
@@swampenjoyer443 That isn't the problem. The gun will fail to fire sometimes (M18) upon reassembly. You take the slide back off, put it back on and it functions fine. Haven't got the answer yet. Working on it.
I'm a little pissed off, I thought when I bought both the M18 and M17 I was buying mil spec pistols, it's obvious the fire control groups and springs are different, As far as I'm concerned this is deceptive advertising
The sights on the 320 rust if exposed to wet conditions. not a huge issue if you properly maintain your gun, but it could be an issue if these are issued to goofballs who don't do proper maintenance.
Because the Commemorative was based off of the pistol that Sig sent out for the MHS program trials. The MHS handgun was not the final version of the pistol that was issued to the services. Commemorative has FDE controls and is not currently being produced anymore.
I have seen multiple youtube videos of people shooting these and having jams. I own over 20 pistol and have never had any jams on any of then except two chambered in .22LR I had a pilot friend just pick one of these up had it jam on him too. Has anyone else experienced similar issues? I want an M18. The only thing I can think of is they are all shooting the new maybe I need to clean them before shooting them IDK any input on actual owners of the M18 would be greatly appreciated.
It's personal preference but in my opinion no the glock 19/19X I've noticed is a very common concealed carry and it is similar in size just find you a good in the waist holster or even get a belly band holster
@@iamhammerhead7491 thanks for the input! I actually carried a 19x for a while before I sold it and did like it so hopefully the m18 is also a good experience!
@@InferiorRifles when producing mass production military grade firearms , Example the rear sight has more plastic or whatever the material it is on the firearm but the military grade one had less plastic on the rear sight. It’s not cutting corners but like enough to where production costs are slightly cheaper , gun still functions the same and is built correctly tho on both versions
@@starlord1177 more commercial guns are produced than their military counterparts. Also, the plastic rear sights thing is nonsense. Both guns have entirely metal sights. You’ve got bad info
Will the military contract M18 run the 147gr like Gold Dot or the HST? I know the recoil spring is stiffer, so curious if it will cycle these defense loads or do I need to swap out the spring for the commercial variant.
Have compared recoil springs between M18s and two P320s. The P320 springs provided more tension upon assembly every time. Just my opinion but I feel like the commercial spring is better.
Just don’t drop the damn thing! Sig can claim they have fixed the problem but, there are still lawsuits against the company from accidental discharges. Couldn’t give me one!
That’s how pistols that use a Browning Tilting barrel action work. The barrel moves out of the way to “unlock” the slide and allow it to cycle. Most modern handguns use this design.
Watch the gun after he demonstrates the two magazines, it's just chilling there, out of battery....... That's gonna be a hard pass for me. I like handguns that stay in battery, and don't go off without my permission.
This has been covered in (several) other comments. Contract M17s and M18s have an intentionally tight lockup between the slide and barrel, which doesn’t affect reliability but does cause the slide to not return all of the way forward when cycling it slowly by hand (as I did). www.ar15.com/forums/handguns/P320_Pretension___information_sharing/14-173444/
@@RocksNRuts4 issued M17 and M18 pistols haven’t had FDE controls since the first batch delivered by Sig, all pistols (commercial and Mil) have had black controls moving forward. As for the “safety plate” I’m assuming you’re referring to the anti-tampering lock, which was just an idea that was proposed but never implemented on any issued firearms.
The one thing everyone missed: The barrel. The Army version has a much denser forged barrel that maintains tighter groups after several hundred rounds without rest. I don't remember the time frame for the test, but the metal has less time to cool in between shots. The civilian one will be smoked after 100 rounds. Its rediculous because it is. 🤣
