MLB Pitchers Are Cheating Again But It's Ok Now 

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it's crazy to me that he wasn't given prior coaching to deal with this one question lol

Boobeeebeeep* we’re sorry, but the person you are trying to call does not have a voicemail box set up yet

Lol!

He was definitely thinking about how barry bonds got sentenced for lying about cheating

Shit had me weak 🤣🤣🤣

it was hilarious

Lmao

if it wasn't for the blinking, it looks like the video was paused lmfao

bruh i thought my screen foze LMAOO

Would sound less guilty if he just said, "Yes I have. "

he cant really says no - his rpm was way way higher and everyone knew he was cheating(most pitchers was)

It was a lose lose situation and the interviewer knew it. The fact players are forced to do these post game interviews after every game is wild to me. Seems like a waste of time to ask the same 5 questions and get the same 5 answers.

Than Yankees have always been cheaters.

@@matt_h_27 almost everyone used some kind of substance. Stop hating on just the yankees its embarrassing lol

Omg yeaaa

Lol mind boggling

Bro i skipped that part because I can't handle the secondhand embarrassment

@@ThatsWhatSheSaid999yeah I agree. Great way to put it. Ya kinda feel dirty

Right? Just say “yes”

IKR? Usually you don't point those things out, because of respect that we've ALL been there at one time or another.

diarrhea

when youre sliding into home and your pants are full of ...?

lol

LMFAO

Omg true

Yeah he's a old man let him take a nap

😂

FIRE TONY

Ageist league, If Tony isn't allowed to sleep, then we riot.

Exactly. If they want stuff to be stickied, make it official. Don't let a situation fester where athletes with integrity are at a disadvantage and whoever dares to cheat the most without getting caught is at an advantage.

@@mergele1000 you just explained the basis of game theory without knowing it

and then they'll use an unapproved type

@@Artofficial1986 only if it benefits them

there is already a bag of rosin on every MLB mound

It's easier to say, 'I haven't used spider tack in a game'. Every team has their own formula, wouldn't've been a lie since it wasn't spider tack.

@@tag206 easy. Change the name to lizard tack. There you go, problem solved

Bro that was so awkward lmaoo

it probably would've been easier and funnier to be witty about it, but from what I've seen, I don't think wit is a common trait amongst professional sports players.

brutal. still can't believe he answered it that way😂like bruh we can see literally all of you doing it lmao

Wrong. It brought the rates down, but pitchers using spider tack and other substances to glue their fingers to the ball to achieve higher levels of spin rate brought it back up. The balls are terrible, they have no grip and are a joke compared to my rec leagues baseballs.

@@throgerino2731 "The balls are terrible, they have no grip and are a joke compared to my rec leagues baseballs." LOL. Prove it or STFU.

@@throgerino2731 Why are they so bad? I would think if anyone in the world could get good baseballs, it would be MLB...

right? as if an MLB pitcher can't throw strikes consistently without it? literally the 0.000001% of people to ever throw a baseball - needs sticky stuff.

It's such a stupid notion. How the hell did pitchers in all of MLB history manage to avoid hitting batters until now?

Wow ur a great editor I did not expect for u to comment on Sports I’m ur 5th Like

I don’t give a fuck

@@cat-le1hf wrong channel

@@cat-le1hf You’re probably an average NBA enjoyer. No defense just mindless scoring. 100-120 omg so fun to watch. 🥱 😴

This sport is super boring, even when it’s played right

i almost feel bad for him there. if he was a natural liar like arod or braun that wouldn't have happened.

@@SheaSheaWanton fr lmao probably a good kid 🤷‍♂️

Irl lag

Cole is terrible without cheating. Lmao.

No, no no the video froze.

This has been the argument in baseball for somewhere between 20 and 50 years lol so is it really? In the NHL theres regulated stick curve and goalie pad size but in baseball the strike zone and field dont change and both teams get the same chance at offence and defense before the game is over and unlike the NFL one team cant take the opportunities away from the other so the argument kind of applies to baseball. If everyone is cheating is it really cheating? The video actually provides some structure to the argument for regulated cheating of some sort.

@@elliotdaly6055 then just make it part of the rules

@@9e7exkbzvwpf7c That's what I'm saying lol, there were guys using pine tar on my hs teams, everyone has been doing it for decades, at this point we know it doesn't effect the ball flight or spin, so just let them use it.

@@elliotdaly6055 "If everyone is cheating, is it really cheating?" Lol my guy you really just said that. The answer is yes, yes it is.

It’s the steroid argument again-guys who wouldn’t have taken them started taking them just to keep up

Ayo

You basically said they are doing it bc they arent being checked enough. A rule is a rule.being checked randomly is literally how you catch them.

I rather not be a pitcher it can just cost people the games sometimes

It takes away any real skill when throwing with spin, the whole point it that it isn't easy, rolling your hand and arm correctly while gripping hard is extremely difficult for sustained periods of time, what makes a pitcher special is their ability to do it all day unaided. As someone that played sport at high levels I see people using this stuff as frauds and people that just don't truly make the grade. I can't blame just the players, it's entire teams that need to be investigated, not individual players. We all know who is putting the pressure on the players to cheat.

Players in the MLB should be tested every week for PED usage and they are not. Last time I checked they get tested twice a year. For 162 games, that's not shit. And iirc, they dont even test in offseason, the time a person would use gear in the first place. So pitchers definitely are getting the short end of the stick here. So if you want the most exciting "baseball" there is, which is what the MLB is claiming they want, allow PEDs and allow sticky stuff. Simple solution.

Dumb stance. As a fan I’d rather watch better pitches and batters. Idc what they use. It’s still an incredibly hard game even when they use sticky stuff or juice. Barry Bonds deserves to be in the hall of fame.

@@senyah sticky stuff made the game less exciting, since it reduced hits.

@@TKRuna Yeah but the league wide electronic sign stealing made up for it. I honestly think PED use, juiced balls, electronic/technologic sign stealing, and sticky stuff should be allowed. Game would be a lot more exciting lol.

Yes, imagine being so used to cheating that you can't even pitch straight anymore. As if they used that stuff all the way to the MLB. Never heard such bs in my life.

So what such a dumb concern if they’re all doing its fair

@@jasperfisch8652 how is it fair to the hitters?

Same dudes that sucker punch batters for hitting a home run while they over celebrate every strikeout? No way.

@@MyBiPolarBearMax that was a very helpful response. Thank you

@@davidloudon7193 every pitcher has done it, and will continue to do it, you gonna cry about it? This whole argument is an utter waste of time this RU-vidr started just for views 🤦🏽‍♂️

And then, when the league cracks down on those batters for using fatty bats... the batters complain that you can't hit a baseball with these "legal" toothpicks you give us.. Oh it's hilarious! You are absolutely right, that a lot of these pitchers have gotten so used to having the extra rotation thanks to cheating, that they aren't able to pitch normally and struggle. Not a defense, cheaters. Learn to play within the rules or go home.

@@Bubu567 nah plenty of pitchers can do it, that's why they pay you the big bucks, to do the "impossible"

It’s so hard to grip the ball. Bunch of babies.

@@Bubu567 They are paid millions to compete. That is part of being an athlete. If you can't handle throwing at top speed pitch less or slower. I know doesn't sound good but then it becomes more strategy and having multiple good pitchers rather than one or two pop off the whole game. If steroids made it less likely you got hurt in a boxing ring I wouldn't allow it still since cheating is cheating. And having to take care of yourself should not be what makes it okay to cheat.

@@Bubu567 Cheating is not subjective. It is binary. You are either doing it or not. If it says in the rulebook that you can't do something, breaking the rule is cheating. You can't headbutt in boxing. If you don't you aren't cheating, if you do you are. And it so happens in the MLB rulebook it is against the rules to use pine tar. It being natural is irrelevant since it is banned in the rulebook. So they are definitively 100% cheating.

Its their fault no one is interested lmao

Idk, the roids era helped mlb ratings tremendously.

Something something it’s just a trophy. They made their bed.

The ones cheating is the MLB itself. They come up with different balls everyday.

Yeah, while hitters might be happy they'll get hit in the head less often, that really is a convenient excuse for the pitchers to use as an argument for foreign substance use. They don't care about hitter safety, they care about improving their own personal performances so they can win / get paid a lot of money. Cheating is cheating and a tale as old as time in baseball, but with the deadened ball, this is just utterly unfair to hitters now. I don't know where the video authors are getting their info, but in the 17 year sample they give as 2022 being the best since for walks, hits, and strikeouts.... no, only walks are down, strikeouts are 4th highest since 2005, BABIP is the lowest, wOBA is tied for worst, slugging percentage is 2nd worst, hits per plate appearance are 21.8% which is pathetic. Only walks are down, the rest of that is wrong, and there's still a whole month of pitcher cheating left to affect the hitting environment. Nice job MLB, you have made offenses the worst they've been since 2014.

That's like getting shoes that make you bounce an extra 20 inches, because you have trouble reaching the rim of a basketball goal.

Very funny kid

They cant grip the ball because They aren't used to playing without the sticky cheater stuff

Maybe it's different when you're a MLB pitcher throwing baseballs at Mach Jesus? I'm not being hostile, just offering a counterpoint.

@@yaboirogers6342 Then maybe being good at pitching at Mach Jesus without the substance since you're an athlete being paid millions should be the norm? Idk just my take

@@JDCSM i get your point but as the average player evolves and gets better, they often need some assistive tools. The average park soccer player doesn't need cleats but professionals do. Within moderation, of course. Pine tar seems reasonable I think. The other thing was ridiculous

You will never throw a baseball at 100+mph so you have no idea what it takes to do that. A pro pitcher could throw better than you with butter on their hands, but that doesn’t mean it would work in a professional environment.

@@Jake-bt3fc if that's true, why not implement a regulation "sticky substance". Someone else suggested that the MLB try and find a good pine tar that most people will agree on and have everyone use that if they so choose. Even still, "I need sticky stuff because I throw balls fast" seems shaky at best. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm not, but it legitimately sounds like "I've gotten too used to using this stuff that I can't throw well (relatively speaking) without it" I'm out of my league here considering I'm not the biggest baseball fan, so maybe when you throw at Mach Jesus, it is a good idea to have a sticky substance.

I feel the same way lmao, these videos are the only thing interesting about the sport.

@@davidreeding9176 listen, it’s interesting when your playing but boring when your just watching, I know from experience

@@savvy2641 i can totally believe that

I see all these posts about this channel making people love the sport again, and I'm like How?

His spin rate has also increased 200+ RPM

And what is the MLB going to do about it? Nothing

@@desmondtoltzman4903 That’s what happens when a new CBA is signed with “provisions”

@@GabrielEddy uh huh

hes just good I guess

Im in the same exact position as you! This channel is more in depth and interesting than every “professional” baseball show on tv

Literally me bro, mlb is a such a weird phenomenon. These baseball story tellers have kept me in the loop as I still struggle watching full games on tv

Lol same as you, been playing baseball since t-ball and last played in high school in 2016. Moved on to football and fell back in love with it this year

Ah, women and liquor. At least that's what I fell in love with after my baseball playing days.

The MLB admins don't go under any type of order. They just do what they want and whatever it takes to get that money. Thus gas been going on for over a 100 years. There is nobody that is going to stop them They may not be as popular as the NFl or NBA. But they don't have to be. There game is baked into American little boy life. The little league baseball criteria is life time. You can never hate a game that makes mom the center of attention in the hood. Thus sport us a subliminal master piece. I still remember my little league team name and that was 50 yrs ago. Those 2 yrs were super fun. And if you want to add more to it. I was the only black guy on the team. And nobody on the team ever called me one racial name. I never had one fight with anybody on any other team. It's obvious that we have taken some steps back. But it's still all good. You think them little boys don't know about Judge & Soto's contract. Tina Turner>what's love got to do with it.

Go a step further,do that same thing on that one wiffleball video i forgot who did it but his cheats were so ingenious they were more amazed than pissed

Or, just not cheat?

@@scrappymark do you not know what standardize means?

The point of the crackdown was because the sticky substances made the games boring. More strikeouts, fewer hits = boring game. The entire crackdown was implemented to make games more interesting. Standardizing substances wouldn't solve any of those problems. Pitchers are just being babies.

@@user-eo9fl9wb8s these substances seem to have a direct and measurable affect on spin rate and therefore outcomes. Allowing any, even “standardized”, would be the equivalent of a new piece of equipment that should be a fundamental part of The Game (I.e., required). If that’s what you’re implying by “ standardizing”, I suppose I could agree. Otherwise, if some players are using it and some players aren’t because it’s not a standard piece of equipment, I stand by my cheating comment. It just seems like such an unfair advantage otherwise.

@@reeepingk Yes but so many of you refuse to acknowledge the amount of hitters that are juiced. Its crazy to me to only hold pitchers to standards while hitters juice to the gills. Hitters have had the advantage for 30+ years. Now that pitchers have been evening the playing field, all of you act like crybaby bitches. If you are going to ban the substances then lets extend the fields to 400+ feet in the corners. Sick and tired of casual fans dictating baseball. Pitching duels by far are the best baseball there is, only casual fans who don't really like the game want home runs the way we have got them.

Hi fuzzy

Hey Fuzzy! Love your recaps!

@Sebastian Ferre Actually there was another video I watched recently that showed that when the MLB accidentally made the seams bigger without realizing it (a change in manufacturing that they thought nothing of) a few years ago that it increased the travel distance of the balls and hurt the pitcher's fingers.

To be fair MLB constantly changing the balls so it is possible from year to the next, that the grip becomes shit.

They have Rosen and sweat right now. I think the spin rate lowering with hit by pitches going down proves they have a good grip on the ball with that. Anything else enhances spin rate as the video said spin rates are at an all time high. However three true outcomes are down which means the spin rate itself may not effect this maybe a change in approach from batters. To me Rosen and sweat are like batting gloves for hitters, but spider tack is like a corked bat

@@dominicteneriello9977 Rosen and sweat isn't good enough clearly. Batters have an on-deck circle with all the stuff they can use, do the same for pitchers. That way there is no ambiguity. Also I said specifically so they DON'T use spider tack. There are substances that will give them a better grip that won't significantly affect spin rate in the way that spider tack does. Just give them something besides that rosen bag that tons of pitchers have said doesn't do anything.

@@ForestOfSleep pitchers say that becuase they want to have pine tar back so they can increase spin rates. But clearly pine tar does not give them grip but an advantage as HBP went down with a heavy enforcement. Adding pine tar and enchanted spin rates cause more control issues not less

@@dominicteneriello9977 You're confusing pine tar and spider tack. Pine brought HBP down, spider tack glued their fingers to the ball messing with release point and causing ridiculous spin at the cost of control. Stop talking.

This!

Honestly I don't see how using pine tar intentionally to better grip a pitch should be considered fair, do we expect batters to beef up their bats to make a homerun more likely? Its changing the substance of the game instead of playing by what the game gave you, its introducing foreign factors to the game instead of relying on skill and wisdom, it is disgusting and is exactly what has made baseball become ever more crap over the years. A game should not be screwed with for the sake of an objective, the game should be designed in such a way that by nature it balances out, given that each side gets a shot at defense and offense the balance is by necessity as close to perfect as we can achieve. (which is why most competitive sports have an alternative defensive and offensive side) By introducing selective unregulated imbalance now it no longer comes down to individual performance but also how successfully you can rig the matchup. The MLB needs to stop screwing around like children, they broke the game and now they break it over and over trying to fix it, freaking morons.

@@Spartan322 You're right. We should eliminate gloves because that gives an unfair advantage to the defense for catching the ball. Should we allow batters to beef up their bats to make homeruns more likely? Well, then, we shouldn't allow the defense to use gloves to make catching more likely. What's next? A net? At that point, it's completely arbitrary what is or isn't considered a legal glove. It's a foreign factor, rather than the skill of the player, determining the outcome. Look man, if it's making the game safer, I see no problem with it. They should make pine tar legal. It's no different than batters wearing gloves to help them grip the bat. If there were gloves that achieved the same effect as pine tar, would you say it should be illegal? The only reason I say spider tack should be illegal is the fact that it makes the game less safe.

@@lambdanebula8473 "We should eliminate gloves because that gives an unfair advantage to the defense for catching the ball." Nice strawman, gloves are standardized, if provided by the MLB under standard specifications, oh look that problem disappears, who'd have guessed "Well, then, we shouldn't allow the defense to use gloves to make catching more likely." Again stupid argument, its a fallacy. "It's a foreign factor, rather than the skill of the player, determining the outcome." You're acting the fool if you claim that a glove is a foreign factor, it does not modulate a capacity in a non-standard fashion that can't be absolutely known by the spectator and players alike. Arguing from reductio ad absurdum is useless when you use a strawman, not that it isn't usually a fallacy in the first damn place, absurdity does not actually work for rational argumentation because it tends to become a red herring and completely detract from a valid point for the sake of bombastic extremes nobody made. Its also unnecessarily rude but I suppose you care nothing for respect anyone given you argue for unregulated cheating. "if it's making the game safer, I see no problem with it." It doesn't because it encourages the pitcher to throw faster and more lethal pitches with only an illusion of more control, but what happens to their arms? More injuries on them, more injuries at bat if they are just so struck, the game has gotten worse because pitchers and the league would rather put everyone else's life at risk including their own instead of think "I'm doing something wrong" and playing smart. They're stupid as is the league and if they can't stand to stay in the league throw 100 mph without substances without throwing it into someone's face, they should be taken out of the game, that doesn't make them the best, that makes them whiny superficial children. If you need your own special edge to become good you aren't good at anything, you only become better when you rely on your own inherent skill and act smart about the game. "It's no different than batters wearing gloves to help them grip the bat." No, cause losing the bat contributes only detriment to spectators and players but does not effect the actually game, but pine tar does afflict the game and its only done because pitchers are crap and are unwilling to play smart. the game has turned into a bunch meathead children getting mad over the dumbest crap and the league is utterly worthless because its unwilling to ever fix the game. Its not their job to regulate safety, its never the job of a league to do such, that's the player's and setup behind the players to do such and ensure such, its the league's job to standardize and balance the playing field, they shouldn't be screwing with the rules if that's the case, they shouldn't be screwing with the standards, and they shouldn't be screwing with the players. If a player doesn't like that they can't cheat, the player is the problem, not the damn game. "If there were gloves that achieved the same effect as pine tar, would you say it should be illegal?" No because pitching no longer becomes about being the best pitcher but who can acquire the best glove. Even if it was standardized now it modulates the game to only people who are best capable with the glove, not who is the best and smartest with their own hand. I don't care about fast pitches, I don't care about home runs, I don't care about hits or strikeouts, I wanted a balanced game where its about the purest aspects of human skill under a balanced ruleset that is consistently proclaimed and enforced. In some cases this requires standards to the core aspects of the game, what kind of bat to use, what kind of glove to use, what kind of bases to use, what kind of ball to use, maybe what kind of substance to draw the foul lines by, how far the stands are for a home run, how large the boundary is, maybe what kind of batting gloves, these things contribute only to the purest core of the game for which it was made. When you start adding substances you remove the core of essence and add a lack of human skill to the game. For each game it is different, you must analyze what the core points of the game are and focus on keeping them balanced and standard, everything else must be regulated and balanced out. "The only reason I say spider tack should be illegal is the fact that it makes the game less safe." The game is unsafe regardless of spider tack because pitchers think throwing 100 mph is safe when it isn't, they can't throw well, injuries are up, they can't last anywhere near as long in games nor in age, and if they hit a batter are very capable to hurt him. None of them think smart, none of them think about changing, they're stubborn morons who hate actually considering they could be in the wrong because they have no sportsmanship to them and they're willing to cheat. They make the game crap and now the MLB is supporting this crappy behavior. You want to know how to make the game better? Get them to stop using anything and tell them "either learn to throw without hurting yourself and risking everyone else or get out of the goddamn game", put their foot down for EVEN ONCE, but no, instead its about manipulating the game so that its ruined for everyone.

​@@Spartan322 This is one of the most desperate attempts to defend a completely irrational argument I've ever seen. These are olympic levels of mental gymnastics. If pitchers using pine tar to get a better grip is "changing the substance of the game", then batters using gloves to get a better grip is also "changing the substance of the game". It's the exact same logic as what you're saying. You can say it's a straw man all you like, but it's exactly what you said. Adding pine tar is no more "introducing foreign factors to the game instead of relying on skill and wisdom" than adding gloves. You could just as easily argue that using gloves isn't relying on skill because a really skilled player wouldn't need gloves to catch the ball. If your only argument for how pine tar is cheating while gloves aren't is "gloves are standardized" then either you should be arguing that they standardize pine tar usage or something, or you should be opposing every single rule change since the inception of the game as cheating. Your argument holds no water. You say the use of gloves "does not modulate a capacity in a non-standard fashion" but the term "non-standard" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. Again, if your only issue with pine tar is that it's "non-standard" then they could simply make it a standard, and then you shouldn't have a problem with it right? Well, that's exactly what I'm saying they should do. You can say that pine tar makes the game less safe because it allows them to throw faster, and while that makes sense, you're failing to account for the reality that it does give pitchers more control. We know that it works because when pitchers started using it more, players got hit less, until spider tack started getting used. Dismissing this reality as "an illusion of more control" doesn't make any sense when the evidence that it makes the game safer is right in your face in terms of less players getting hit. Then, after making a completely delusional argument about how it makes the game less safe, you go on to claim it's not the leagues job to regulate safety. Like, what are you even talking about? Every single sport is regulated for safety, and it's a damn good thing too, because no one wants to see players dying over a game. If the league can improve safety without drastically changing the rules, that's a damn good thing. The next point you make is that, gloves which achieve the same effect as pine tar shouldn't be allowed, even if standardized, because somehow that "modulates the game" and makes it about who is the best when using the glove, so apparently, even though making such a big deal out of it before, being standardized doesn't even matter. First of all, while learning to use it effectively would take some practice, it changes very little about how the ball is thrown. Second, by the same exact argument, you would be opposed to defense using gloves to catch the ball because it changes the game to "only people who are best capable with the glove, not who is the best and smartest with their own hand." You claim standardization doesn't change anything so you should be just as opposed to gloves for catching, and if you flip again and say that the difference is standardization, then like I said before, we could just make pine tar standard, and by your logic you'd have to issue with it. Even if the game isn't perfectly safe with spider tack, it's safer without it, and most importantly it's safer with pine tar. The fact that it's still somewhat unsafe doesn't mean we should forget about safety altogether and have rules which make the game less safe than it could be with only very minor changes. You complain about pitchers throwing balls as fast as they can as though they're supposed to deliberately play worse than the rules allow in order to avoid injuring themselves and others. Do you expect batters not to swing as hard as they can so they don't accidently hurt someone with a foul ball or pull a muscle? Pitchers are talked about more than any other position because they really do have the biggest impact on who wins the game. If they don't do their absolutely best, they simply won't make it in the major leagues. Their being there at all in the first place is based on their ability to play the best game they possibly can. It's extremely meritocratic, and that means they're going to play their absolute best. If you want them to throw slower or be more deliberate with each pitch, you'll have to change the rules. You can't expect them to basically just stop trying to be their best. Your argument is completely inconsistent, and it really just seems like you have some kind of personal issue with pitchers for some reason rather than any actual complaint with what is being done. Your inconsistency proves that you're just willing to say anything to justify a position you've taken regardless of reality.

@@lambdanebula8473 "This is one of the most desperate attempts to defend a completely irrational argument I've ever seen. These are olympic levels of mental gymnastics." You're the one that used a strawman and then tried to treat a reductio ad absurdum as a satirical demonstration of a point I said but it was completely irrelevant to what I had said making it fallacious. "If pitchers using pine tar to get a better grip is "changing the substance of the game", then batters using gloves to get a better grip is also "changing the substance of the game"." Alright, the question is how? Does a batting glove improve hit performance? I would like to question how and where does this show up? Is it even necessary? Perhaps not, in which case perhaps we could just ban it and see what happens, but the question comes down to whether it effects the game, statistically it has shown no effect on anything that is afflicted by the rules of the game, throwing the bat does not constitute anything according to the rules (unless causing deliberate injury which has nothing to do with having a glove then) so decreasing the accidental throwing of the bat also does not constitute an affliction to the rules. Perhaps you could argue bat grip should be considered and maybe you can make an argument but the question is why? If asking that question isn't "does it change the nature of the game" then is a stupid question not worth answering. Pine tar for a pitcher answers that question with an affirmative. Your argument is stupid. "It's the exact same logic as what you're saying." How and where? You don't bother to quote me, you just state things as though they're fact but don't actually ever make an argument. "You can say it's a straw man all you like, but it's exactly what you said." Alright, and how? Where is the demonstration for this claim? Or how about a logical argument demonstrating that? "Adding pine tar is no more "introducing foreign factors to the game instead of relying on skill and wisdom" than adding gloves." Gloves are a core aspect of the game, pine tar pitching is not, the game was not made to be played with pine tar for pitching and pine tar for pitching was only historically introduced after the fact, and under the ruleset from history it was banned, even now despite historical manipulation of the rules it is still de jure banned. "You could just as easily argue that using gloves isn't relying on skill because a really skilled player wouldn't need gloves to catch the ball." You completely ignored my "core aspect" argument because you can't in fact argue against it. "If your only argument for how pine tar is cheating while gloves aren't is "gloves are standardized" You didn't even bother to read what I said cause had you done so you would've noticed that standardization is not capable to address this problem. "then either you should be arguing that they standardize pine tar usage or something, or you should be opposing every single rule change since the inception of the game as cheating." I always oppose ruleset changes that violate the historical nature of the sport, the MLB has done this many times and every time it made the sport worse and pissed me off, a ruleset should only need to be changed when balance is violated but given that balance in history has almost never been violated without already violating the ruleset I never see reason to change the rules. If you want to mess with the rules to get a desired outcome that isn't pure balance then you are ruining the game, chasing specific objectives is just that exact thing, especially when it violates the core aspects of the sport. "Your argument holds no water." You presented nothing to justify this claim, never demonstrating a case, and even worse still you completely ignored or manipulate my arguments to say things I never said. I do not see you arguing in good faith at this point given you completely refuse to actually readup on the points I have made. "You say the use of gloves "does not modulate a capacity in a non-standard fashion" but the term "non-standard" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there." Because we're talking about general application for the sake of the sport generically referenced. I do not have to argue for specific rulesets because that is irrelevant, its a waste of time that nobody cares about because its not targeting of the active subject being argued. If you wanted me to define specifics, give me a week but I'm not doing it if its not gonna achieve a change, thus I'm not wasting my time just telling someone in a youtube comment what should and should not be standardized, the point is things should be standardized in accordance to core aspects of the sport, it has nothing to do with telling you what that should be beyond acknowledging as a demonstration that there are surface level aspects I can reference. That's only for demonstrative purposes, why you'd take that as supplicating the entire point of my argument is beyond me, the context does not justify perceiving position. "Again, if your only issue with pine tar is that it's "non-standard" then they could simply make it a standard," That wasn't my only issue, it was a specific argument detail but the problem is not only lack of standardization. "and then you shouldn't have a problem with it right? Well, that's exactly what I'm saying they should do." Violation of the nature of the sport, I would be even more opposed to it being standardized then I would for it to be selectively enforced, and I hate both with a burning passion. "You can say that pine tar makes the game less safe because it allows them to throw faster, and while that makes sense, you're failing to account for the reality that it does give pitchers more control." I don't care if they get more control. I want a game where people aren't relying on things beyond skill. I want a historical relation to the original game, I want a standardized balance according to its historical core aspects, I want a super high skill ceiling and I never want the skill ceiling lowered for any reason. Pine tar lowers the skill ceiling and introduces new factors modulating the game in such a way that pitching is no longer about someone with good skill with the ball, but now its about having good skill with the ball and pine tar, which means its not longer about the human element alone, its not about what a human can do alone and on their own, it becomes about what they can do when they use pine tar. Should we expect then that children lather their hands and gloves up with pine tar also to pitch? I don't see how that makes the game anymore engaging, it doesn't even make the game better because now it just encourages everyone to throw out their arms trying to get the strongest pitch they can. That's brute forcing the game and it gets boring in time, its spectacle with no ingenuity, it only changes the game statically because eventually it becomes the new bogstandard everyone follows. Chasing spectacle isn't good for anyone and it doesn't let you improve. "We know that it works because when pitchers started using it more, players got hit less," I don't care if players get hit less, I already told you I don't seek regulations in accordance to safety, if people are gonna push themselves into harming others they should be punished or banned until it stops, if that means they'd end up reducing the average pitching speed to avoid punishment, I'd prefer it. The game is not all that interesting when the only thing a pitcher provides is a fast pitch without consideration for anything else. "Dismissing this reality as "an illusion of more control" doesn't make any sense when the evidence that it makes the game safer is right in your face in terms of less players getting hit." Still doesn't fix the fact that pitching injuries are only going up and even still if a batter gets hit they are in a far worse condition because the pitchers keep trying to go faster and faster.

Don't they have the rosin bag, or is that for something else

...and the Stros or Cards (computer hacking Stros). MLB and it's fandom at large are annoyingly hypocritical.

Not the same thing.

Yep. It’s ridiculous.

A rod too the bum

@@txbaca4861 well yeah, the fans are mostly 60+ whyte people. Boomers gonna boomer

If batters can use pine tar, why can't we just let the pitchers? Maybe there's a decent answer for that but sounds fair to me.

A better path forward would be to just have a less slippery ball and ban all substances. The NPB ball in Japan is supposedly a fair bit tackier than the MLB ball, making it easier to grip without the need for foreign substances. Something like that would be preferable to allowing the use of substances.

That was Trevor Bauers suggestion to the league office.

@@hoosierflatty6435 Pine tar makes the ball darker, though at the major league level they go through over 100 balls a game so I don't think there will be time for that to be a problem. It might end up being a problem in the minors though.

@@cityboychad That might be why it hasn't been accepted, because the idea came from Bauer who (in MLB's rose-tinted view) forced them to deal with the sticky stuff problem by talking about it publicly and at great length.

Bauer makes sense. MLB seems to be out to get him tho.

They’ve already been rubbed in mud to improve the grip which is more than little league kids get. Whole bunch of apologists in these comments. If a guy can’t control a baseball, maybe he was never meant to be up in the show.

@@goskateminnesota7256 I agree with you. And it seems at least to me that some of the balls aren’t coated evenly at times. I know there’s instructions as to how to muddy the balls, but maybe have better quality control? Or go a bit heavier on the application?

Bauer for commissioner

MLB is dumb

@General Pershing mlb ratings arent amazing but the 2021 world series beat the nba finals in viewership

@@notsamhoward to be fair, nobody cared about the bucks facing the suns. it was an injury plagued playoff season

@@notsamhoward significantly more people care about atlanta vs houston than phoenix vs milwaukee regardless of sport

They still check hands though so idk if its an optics thing or people just dont care again

Yet it remains infinitely more secure than our elections.

No, it's really not. You're falling for the smoke and mirrors routine. Once again, Baseball doesn't exist is using mountains of speculation, fast clips and fast speak to make a video with no real substance or provable allegations outside of an increased spin rate for a short period of time. In one clip in particular, they show a pitcher continuously rubbing his pant leg insinuating that he had an illegal substance there only to then show that the player was ejected because he had an illegal substance in his glove, not his pant leg. They've done this in a variety of their videos. You need watch them a bit closer and you'll see what I mean. Once again, Baseball doesn't exist is the one actually cheating..

@@johnlo6121 He is insinuating that the pitcher is rubbing excess sticky stuff off of his fingers onto his pants, which is giving it the brown color. Maybe YOU need to watch them a bit closer, or at least work on your critical thinking skills.

@@johnlo6121 you are not very bright

@@johnlo6121 Ever heard of sarcasm?

@@johnlo6121 doesn't matter. The videos are entertaining and they got me back into baseball

football is around the same

@@oswald4671 nah lol there’s action in football for about 11 seconds every play , which is still shorter than the full game length of course but still way more than baseball

@@nathanswayne7518 the average is still under 12 minutes so I’m not sure what you’re talking about

Baseball is a snoozefest tbh

@@seams4186 I see watching Baseball like watching professional pool players. Unless you understand the detailed parts of the game, it can be boring.

And yet, so many people comment that it's reinvoked their love of the game.

They probably beinbr using sticky stuff their whole lives

It's hard to call it cheating when everybody from HS up uses pine tar, etc. and has for decades. It's just another one of those "unwritten rules" the old guys get so worked up about.

@@tissuepaper9962 Nah it’s definitely cheating

@@tissuepaper9962 Not hard at all. Is it against the rules? If yes, cheating. If no, not cheating. Voila.

Corked bats have very little benefits as the weight reduction lowers exit velocity canceling out most benefits a lighter bat would have. Corked bats would probably help a small ball hitter more than a slugger because of that.

@@Racc-Kun_YT either way it's a similar attempt to get a desired effect potentially.

@@ChuckThunder Yeah, both are making an attempt to make the game easier and are both equally bad. Hopefully something is done about it soon

did you see the very end of the vid

@@mleb5856 I did. What did I miss?

Don't supendi a pitcher for. Cheating ban him from sport forever

@@user-xd8pj3bw7v what

Yes they can they just won't

@@user-xd8pj3bw7v you might need to lay off the drugs

This world is rapidly passing away and I hope that you repent and take time to change before all out disaster occurs! Belief in messiah alone is not enough to grant you salvation - Matthew 7:21-23, John 3:3, John 3:36 (ESV is the best translation for John 3:36) if you believed in Messiah you would be following His commands as best as you could. If you are not a follower of Messiah I would highly recommend becoming one. Call on the name of Jesus and pray for Him to intervene in your life - Revelation 3:20. Contemplate how the Roman Empire fulfilled the role of the beast from the sea in Revelation 13 over the course of 1260+ years. Revelation 17 confirms that the beast is in fact Rome. From this we can conclude that A) Jesus is the Son of God and can predict the future or make it happen, B) The world leaders/nations/governments etc have been conspiring together for the last 3000+ years going back to Babylon and before, C) History as we know it is fake. You don't really need to speculate once you start a relationship with God. Can't get a response from God? Fasting can help increase your perception and prayer can help initiate events. God will ignore you if your prayer does not align with His purpose (James 4:3) or if you are approaching Him when "unclean" (Isaiah 1:15, Isaiah 59:2, Micah 3:4). Stop eating food sacrificed to idols (McDonald's, Wendy's etc) stop glorifying yourself on social media or making other images of yourself (Second Commandment), stop gossiping about other people, stop watching obscene content etc. Have a blessed day!

That's the way it has always been, though. There's a reason "If you aren't cheating, you aren't trying" is a saying. If you can cheat so well that you never get caught, you kind of deserved to win, because you're clearly more willing to do *whatever it takes.*

@@RaptorJesus thats the worst saying i have seen in my entire life. What kind of SPORT has to resort to cheating to make it nore entertaining? Wtf

@@oiermontero2310 Where did I use the word "entertaining"?

@@RaptorJesus it wasnt because you said it. But because i have seen many comments saying that. Srry

Apparently people in the US, Canada, and Europe are cool with cheating in their elections the past few years. So I doubt they'll care when it comes to baseball.

Yea. Ppl wanna mock the astros for cheating the 2017 WS but yet teams like the Yankees were doing the same thing. Yea they cheated Then but it’s not like they were the only ones. Also hilarious how the cardinals have had people end up in prison for hacking to cheat. Ppl wanna throw the Astros getting caught cheating like it’s some new thing that nobody dares to do yet there’s been mass cheating going on by nearly every team every year since the game was created

The 'Stros admitted and stopped doing what they were doing long before the series but bitter people started crying. Yet NY had their findings sealed because they're "Americas team"....then they were unsealed recently and all hell broke lose

This world is rapidly passing away and I hope that you repent and take time to change before all out disaster occurs! Belief in messiah alone is not enough to grant you salvation - Matthew 7:21-23, John 3:3, John 3:36 (ESV is the best translation for John 3:36) if you believed in Messiah you would be following His commands as best as you could. If you are not a follower of Messiah I would highly recommend becoming one. Call on the name of Jesus and pray for Him to intervene in your life - Revelation 3:20. Contemplate how the Roman Empire fulfilled the role of the beast from the sea in Revelation 13 over the course of 1260+ years. Revelation 17 confirms that the beast is in fact Rome. From this we can conclude that A) Jesus is the Son of God and can predict the future or make it happen, B) The world leaders/nations/governments etc have been conspiring together for the last 3000+ years going back to Babylon and before, C) History as we know it is fake. You don't really need to speculate once you start a relationship with God. Can't get a response from God? Fasting can help increase your perception and prayer can help initiate events. God will ignore you if your prayer does not align with His purpose (James 4:3) or if you are approaching Him when "unclean" (Isaiah 1:15, Isaiah 59:2, Micah 3:4). Stop eating food sacrificed to idols (McDonald's, Wendy's etc) stop glorifying yourself on social media or making other images of yourself (Second Commandment), stop gossiping about other people, stop watching obscene content etc. Have a blessed day!

Yankees and dodgers did what Astros did and more. Yet played victim. I can't respect these mlb players who played victim when they all cheat..

How is that not more entertaining

They didn’t get rid of him, he got rid of himself.

@@knd775 How exactly did he get rid of himself? By having consensual kinky relationships with girlfriends?

@@2011blueman yes

@@knd775 he was innocent of all charges. stfu.

“It’s so hard to *grip* the baseball.”

@Trigger Warning Womanly men who play professional baseball? Do those really exist?

@Trigger Warning Not just soft hands? 🤔

@Trigger Warning So, you obviously think that Gerrit Cole is a softie. But he is hardly injury prone. Also, he is 6’4 tall and 225lbs. Would you look Gerrit in the eyes and call him soft?

@Trigger Warning Care to back up your MLB claims with facts and stats, or are you just blustering like some Asian wannabe superpower?

I finished and no mention of Bauer. I tout this channel to anyone that will listen. I love your content and I love your editing chops but giving the league credit for this is just wrong. Don’t help them to bury the lies.

@@rustycanada1766 Bauer already got his own video, he's probably just trying to avoid retreading the same thing.

@@rustycanada1766 maybe because it's irrelevant? I know people like to find a protagonist in every situation but he's not the reason they cracked down. He was one of many voices saying the same thing. He's "blackballed" because he assaulted a woman.

@@DuckoftheDraw corruption is in every sport. Never once will I believe that’s the only reason. I’m sure if you ran fun facts on everyone in mlb we would find the same if not way way worse.

@@DuckoftheDraw You mean he was backballed because of an accusation. He did not assault a woman and claiming such is slander. Catch up on the court proceedings.

Right on.

I mean your metaphor falls apart when you learn that GMC sold legitimate pro-hormones in the 2000s that has the same/worst health impacts and close to the same performance increases. Just like “natural clubhouse” substances could be nearly as effective as the synthetic substances. I think you’re drawing a line in too much of a ground area that has too much interpretation. It’s either an all or nothing imo. As least allow it to be regulated by the league to ensure even playing field. Basically my point is availability or natural origin isn’t a good argument. From your metaphor, steroids is absurdly easy to obtain. It’s easier for me to go on a website, check out my items, transfer crypto, then wait a week than it is to drive to the town over’s mall and grab some preworkout. Plus testosterone is a naturally produced hormone and the testosterone used by athletes or medically administered is synthesized from soy beans.

@@dooby1445 It's not that deep. It doesn't have to specifically be GNC. You're going out of your way to argue with a statement that makes perfect sense, and nobody likes people like that

I am 50/50 on the issue but I agree with your opinion. The truth is it’s very similar to using pine tar on a bat. The argument is valid I just think they need to figure it out. Pitchers are throwing faster these days but hitters are also hitting more home runs. A little pine tar to make your curveball snap harder? Idk it’s a tough question. I do know that the brand new ball they get all the time is quite slippery. It’s not an easy game

@@dooby1445 You DO understand I don't mean GNC specifically and am referring to non-prescribed OTC supplements, yes? Anomalies aren't what I'm going for

Those pitchers also get angry and act out, so that it makes it awkward and the umpires don't want to do it, nor does MLB want to have that sort of circus going on everytime the umpires are doing their jobs.

you're using two different baseballs the new mlb balls have less grip you're also probably throwing 60 mph gravity balls

Bad take baseball is pretty much the only major American sport with consistent examples of cheating

That does not mean you give up trying to enforce the rules.

@@rabbakahn taking away batters and pitchers advantage has made baseball boring. All the safety rules I'm up for it but steroids or sticky substance not being allowed is bullshit.

@@McBigP13 play by the rules, otherwise why have rules.

@@rabbakahn I don't disagree but these two tools are bullshit

Without consequences? The astros lost their manager and someone else, can't remember who. They lost draft picks and the organization was fined 5 million dollars. I can't remember what the consequences for the redsox were but they're online somewhere...it just wasn't consequences that you approve of lol

Because Texas sports are becoming a cash cow, and cutting that off that annoying ass fan base would hurt them financially. Funny how Houston had little to no fans on their social media sites, and all of suddenly when they win they have a lot. Just bandwagons. MLB lost their integrity years ago. Especially after letting cheaters like Bonds, Sosa, and McGuire off, and letting their records stand.

@@chadwickvon8019 and they still kept their title so it was worth it. If you told a team, they can cheat to a World Series victory and all it costs you is your manager, 5 million dollars, and draft picks, every owner will take that 10 times out of 10.

@@MrManbir101 name one time a championship trophy was taken back in any major American sport where the champion cheated...your argument would work better if a trophy had ever been taken away from a team, but it hasn't.

@@chadwickvon8019 The NCAA has done it but I don't believe any professional American sport has.

Dang. I got hit with a baseball when i was 5. Even tho im a girl i liked to play baseball with my dad and some friends. And i was being pitched at by this a hole who was clearly tryna hit me. Worst birthday ever.

@@iamy3356 that’s tough yeah definitely hurts n stings for a hot minute. And I feel so bad that happened to you on you’re birthday to. Guess it’s a memory you won’t forget. Glad you’re ok though

Didn’t the light in the dugout happen while the Red Sox were batting?

Sounds like dodgers and Yankees fans. The known cheating teams sure went after Astros for simply doing what they all do.

Obviously. He got a two year suspension from baseball even though he was falsely accused.

He would have been suspended, something that would have killed the Yankee's season

Nah. You just never admit it. That's how you do it. Never admit it. We all know he's cheating. He knows he's cheating. MLB knows he's cheating. Yet he goes out there every 5 days, collects his paycheck, and absolutely nothing is done about it. Even with that video showing him unable to answer a direct question truthfully. He's still getting paid, fans are still watching, and absolutely nobody cares. No accountability, no sacred cows, no justice, no legitimacy, none of it matters. He's getting paid for being a cheater, and nobody cares that he lies about it.

@@drb4074 And that's not just for Cole, thats in sports as a whole.

As pointed out in the video, pitchers have been using stuff to enhance their grip on the ball for AT LEAST half of that 120 year history.

Like rosin?

@@SamBrickell sure. Is that legal already?