I morally disagree with Polygamy but i refuse to throw someone in prison for it. Obviously the wives need to be willing, and of age but other than that, I do not consider it a crime.
Even if they dont get public assistance they are still ripping off the government and the rest of us in the process. So only 1 woman is technically married and the other wives get to claim they are single mothers with a bunch of kids, so they get back more in taxes when they file. Then...if they live in 1 home they are only paying property tax on 1 home but then send 25 kids to public school. Property taxes go towards our public schools and is based on 2.5 children in each home not 25. So they are only paying a 10th of what they should in property tax. Also... Only 1 wife is legal and the other 2 and all their kids, would be eligible for the ACA. Sure they have to pay a premium, but the gov subsidizes a big portion for single mothers not making enough to pay for health insurance for half a dozen kids. I am positive this man does not have a health insurance policy that covers him, 25 kids and 3 adult women. My friend has a small business with less than 30 employees. Like 20 something at most and has a group policy for everyone. She pays over 10k a month for it. So unless this guy is a millionaire, i dont see how they are not ripping off the system even if they do not get any direct assistance.
My great great great aunt and her own mother were wives (victims) of Joseph Smith. No. It’s not okay. For any one ‘healthy’ ( if you want to believe that) relationship there’s 20 others where some sort of abuse is happening.
When the interviewer asked the women why they felt that sharing their husband would draw them closer to God, they really couldn't give a reasonable explanation. That's because there is no reasonable explanation!! If you want to do unselfish acts to please God, volunteer at a homeless shelter or work with an organization that advocates for victims of human trafficking.
The families say directly in many of the other videos here that they face jealousy and tension constantly. I believe this is an unhealthy lifestyle, not because of bigotry or hatred, they seem very nice, but because I've heard so much testimony about how hard it is for the woman to bear her husband being with other women.
To me as long the bride(s) and groom are 18 years or older and all parties including the bride to be the groom and if he has wives already and kids from the others are all ok with the marriage
According to "under the banner of heaven": "To avoid prosecution [for polygamy], typically men in Colorado City will legally marry only the first of their wives; subsequent wives, although “spiritually married,” to their husband by Uncle Rulon, thus remain single mothers in the eyes of the state. This has the added benefit of allowing the enormous families in town to qualify for welfare and other forms of government assistance. Despite the fact that Uncle Rulon and his followers regard the governments of Arizona, Utah and the United States as Satanic forces out to destroy the UEP, their polygamous community receives more than $6 million a year in public funds." If this information is false I hope that someone from the church will correct me. The family in the documentary do not live in that area, but presumably qualify for the same welfare.
Or they are just a group of welfare leeches. I suspect that's the case as I doubt anyone could make enough to support that many. Unless they happen to be millionaires.
My friend have 35 siblings from 3 mother and polygamy household, and all of the siblings earn equal love and successful in their life,doctors, businessmen,enginers, lecturers areamong the cariers of the siblings...
I have 6 kids, I would like to foster other children now. My children have my 100% undivided attention. Some families with 2 kids hardly know their children or give them the correct one on one time or any at all. Sometimes the quality and value of that time is much more beneficial. I agree though, the more kids you have, naturally the less time but my kids love to be with each other and have life time best friends
That's a modern concept that each child needs to get that individual one-on-one attention in abundance. We know for a fact that, since ancient times couples have had large numbers of children. We also know that since ancient times the family bond has been way stronger than it is nowadays. We also know that. In ancient times the character of people was much more moral principles standards and values Integrity based. So now two parents have one child , and the child turns out to be a half a decent person. Whereas in ancient times Two people produce 12 children and at least 10 of them turned out to be very stand-up citizens. Nowadays what it seems like we mostly produced our broken women and cry, baby Males
They don't want the ability to have multiple legal marriages: what they already do is marry one wife, and have a ceremony for the other wives, but no legal documents. So they just want the right to say they have several wives even if the law doesn't recognize them. If they had one wife and several "girlfriends" it would be different, but because he calls them wives, it's against the law. That makes zero sense to me.
So it's ok for a man to be married, cheat on his wife, have children with other women - but not to live with three women happily and have well looked after children. People scream more about polygamy than they do gay marriage or transgender marriage which I find rather amazing. As long as it is consensual and no one is being hurt leave people alone. (I don't agree with the kind of polygamy perpetrated by Warren Jeffs for example)
I hate that my home state of Utah is known for Mormons and polygamy. There's so much more to this state than that. All these polygamists and Mormons are making our beautiful state look bad.
Exactly. These politicians, actors, and half these newscasters are unfaithful to their wives. Some people consider even flirting with someone else while married to be wrong, yet today some people go so far beyond that. So if this dude just sleeps with his 3 wives, doesn't so much as look at another woman and never sets foot in a strip club; then in my eyes he is better than a traditionally married man who has cheated on his 1 wife with more than 3 different women over many years.
Why do these pathetic women put up with being part of a harem? Do they not have any pride? What do they see in him anyway? No REAL woman would allow her husband to have other women. This is adultery.
Try not judge... I found these women far from pathetic... In biblical times this arrangement was not only accepted but the norm for many of the reasons it works for these groups of people. These women are smart and attractive... these are their choices.
Callah Wentworth The problem is in your understanding. Adultery is a biblical term that describes the state of a woman having an extramarital affair or sex with a man other than her husband. That causes the man involved with her to be an adulterer. REAL women as you state in our western culture can divorce and marry over and over and be accepted. That is just serial adultery and whoredom. You would tell people not to judge her. The women in this family are very strong women not pathetic. A harem is an ancient term and those women had no choice. These women do have a choice. What I hear in your terminology is fear, greed, superiority, judgementalism, and pride ; in other words weakness and insecurity. I applaud this family and especially the women for their trusting God enough to trust their husband. Very impressive.
Imagine having to deal with four mother in laws along with your brothers in laws and sister in laws. Imagine you have more than one evil stepmother. What a nightmare.
I can't say much my 5th great grandfather made this choice it made our family well known so I'm proud for all that stood for in this belief. I couldn't do this ever.
In 1987, a poll conducted by the student newspaper at the university of California at Berkeley asked the students whether they agreed that men should be allowed by law to have more than one wife in response to a perceived shortage of male marriage candidates in California. Almost all of the students polled approved of the idea. One female student even stated that a polyganous marriage would fulfil her emotional and physical needs while giving her greater freedom than a monogamous union.
You cant compare parents and kids to a stranger you marry!!! I'm sorry but no I have 6 kids and 2 parents I love all my kids for their own character and self but I couldn't say I love one more than the other at all. A man will love one wife more then the other and may appreciate or find comfort in one more then the other. It's natural and will happen. From my knowledge as I know some polygamists is that they usually have some form of trauma and that's why they enter these relationships or they were raised in them. That's the short version
That is an insecurity that a lot of women have. This is why a lot of women will not enter into a polygyny. . However, That's a character flaw that women need to get rid of even in monogamous relationships. A guy can't even look at another woman without his woman feeling like she must be prettier than me or sexier than me, or he wants to leave me for her.
@@papadry7710 The love you have from your parents is different from the love you would have with a partner. For example, a way to express love to your significant other is by mutually engaging in sexual activity. No, you do not perform or express love to your parents the same way you would a significant other. Do you see why you can not compare loving your parents to 2 women? Also, if you love someone, then you prove it by dedicating your love to one by 100%. Once you go around with several, then you are devaluing the love you have for someone because you can have it anywhere with anyone. Infact, I don't think you would call that love anymore, that's betrayal, disrespectful, and plane sick to degenerate humanity back down to where we fall next to brute animals because of the way polygamy "loves"!
I've read the book before watching this. The book helped me understand each woman's situation, story, struggle, and the purpose of their marriage. It also takes Joe's struggles into account and can understand very well how this is about growing closer to God as well as each other.
Polygamy is not a modern lifestyle. It has been exist more than 1400 years ago. For Americans, its a human right to choose the polygamy. They should not be jailed or convicted to crime because America gave a right for homosexual to get marry why not give the rights of polygamy. David Wood must see this video so his eyes openly wide that polygamy is not just about religious. David, Stop spread hate to Islam who permitted the polygamy. Look for yourself, its happening in America though they are not muslims. Respect their decision and its their rights.
At least polygamist men continue to care for all their wives, instead of divorcing & casting them aside, I suppose, but when you get into the large numbers of children that a lot of them have, it is humanly impossible to provide care & attention for them all. A lot of the women do get benefits from the state as single mothers, something they try to hide. In many, many ways I much prefer polyamory which gives partners equal input & doesn't follow a crazy cult religion or overpopulate the earth.
***** Dont forget that BS age limit saying if you date someone underage of 18 your a pedo WTF im 17 and ive seen girls and guys at my age and under date 19 and 21 year olds.
I don't support polygamy at all but if everyone involved are adult and agreed to this willingly then there isn't much I can say against it. If his wives agree with this then that's their affair or their fault. The fact that he has 24 children leaves me wondering how he can afford to support all of them without any state aid. Because if he is relying on state or government aid for this then this is one point I can disagree with. He shouldn't be burdening others with children he can't support.
They are all happy that's far more important. A happy family by parents will nourish their children prosperous and blossom. Their life spans will be all much longer than expected. No family violence at all.
@@explorerofunknownworlddept6232 That may be the case but still doesn't argue against the fact, that he or his family should not be burdening the state or others. If he cannot support his children then he has no business having them.
@@jasonlee8156 watch a video on "democratic socialism in America". Everyone is equal to liberty, freedom, free choice, and fair social benefits and welfare like in north Europe.
@@explorerofunknownworlddept6232 Does that also include being a welfare case? Should I be tempted to have 10 or 12 children and have multiple wives if I get gov't support for that? I don't know about you but I sure as hell don't want to be taxed heavily, to support someone else's family. You can support families like that I don't care to.
i think it should be limited to 5 and as log as the kids are happy and in school unlike the flds kids who cant read and are forced into marry at insanly yong ages. as long as the family unit can remain intact and stay at 5 i have no problem with it.
all i gotta say is to each their own i guess.. if society was able to come around for homosexual marriage and actually support it in the social media and incurrage kids to come out and speak up.. its only a matter of time before they come around to this.. and ppl can say no way! this is different and whatever but in the 1800 or even most part of the 1900 they would have said the same thing.. things are only bad until they are accepted..
This video was already in the gutter for me trying to understand polygamy and then it took the sharpest fucking turn I’ve ever seen by saying the 3rd wife was the twin sister of the other wife
As an open minded person, I have to say.... That's nasty. Yeah sure, I'll marry a man with my two sisters. Puh-lease. I mean obviously it's their life and they can live how they choose, but I can't help but feel that they are more than misguided. Now all their kids are cousblings? Sibsins? That's messed up.
My. view : if some adults consent knowingly and freely to that life style and if it is safe and all are treated properly and cared for ... their choice ... as long at they don t go too far in the number of wives and children and they do not expect other to do the same and help them raising their kids.... to make it a religious obligation or a norm .... no way
We should have a law that states that any woman that agrees to share her man should get a psychiatric evaluation and it should be mandatory. Why share when you can have a man of your own? I so don't get it.
U people don't know God's law! All u do is saying as long as ur an adult n happy, stop the BS's... God is not with those sick things, Those minds r not in Gods covenant, how can u ave more than one wife n feel good about it.. These men r treating women like they r the only fish in the sea n the women r desperate for just for camera...smh May God help us if we don't repent n turn away FM those life style... Fire n Brimstone's on that day of our Lords return... One thing a woman should never share is their men penis!!!! Them stomach strong!!!
@@kaycameron1682 Actually, that isn't true. God loved David so much, God made him KING. And David had many wives, and that wasnt a problem. Polygamy with multiple wives does perpetuate inequality between men and women, tho, which would be against God's want for us to love.
And where in the Bible does it say that it is Ok to have multiple wives? Yes they had them but it does not say that it is right. The New Testament makes it clear that it is one man with one wife.
@@kaywilliams826 The Most High gave Solomon his wives mam. If it was wrong He wouldn't have done so. And no, the New Testament doesn't change anything. Thus it's not a sin to have more than one woman, and no where does it say it is.
We as women know exactly what it is all about and know from first hand experience or from looking at the world, that men cannot be trusted for fidelity or responsability.... and in the age of hiv and other many problems such as women finding themselves once again alone to raise children because of men failing them, we are very aware, contrary to what you would like us to believe or what you say, what polygamy means : real hell and a great hazard even more so than dating monogamous men (who alos are great health and other hazards). Sto taking women as fools and ignorant.. We know what the deal is all about and it is rotten ..
I use to live in Utah, and worked with a girl who is a polygamist. They were like this family, and she chose this life and she was very happy. Not a life I want to live, but then that is my choice.
It is funny! In the western countries, you are not allowed to marry many wives or husbands because their law is against it, but you may identify yourself as gay or lesbian, their law allows it. My question is: which is more sensible and compatible with human nature, being a polygamist and polyandrist, or being gay and lesbian?
I can't say I understand all this. If it was a group that didn't believe in God then I wouldn't even have commented. I wouldn't agree with them when they talk about God because that doesn't line up with the word of God. The is a difference between Lust and Love which even its a problem in monogamy.
I am part of a Polyamorus relationship, I think that I would be happy in a plural marriage with my husband, I think it is healthy and a way that people can express their true love and open communication, I belive that it should be freedom to love and be loved by who you want. I do not agree with the Polygamist Warren Jeffs and the fact he was abusing his religion and taking wives that could not choose for them selves. I think if it is between 2 or 3 or 4 or even 5 consenting adults it should be legal and fine to express the way you love and want to love.. All my prayers go to these many families who have gone public and I hope one day they will find the law on their side and they will no longer have to hide or live in fear...
polygamy needs to be legalized too.we have legalized homosexuality, lesbianism and all. they are not forced into it and they look more happy than some monogamous homes.
Even though these women CHOSE themselves to be involved with polygamy, whether due to their religious beliefs or love or whatever, I know that there is, to some degree, a pain involved with it too. But I guess they find the pain as an act of selflessness. Human nature was made to want to feel exclusive, both man and woman. I can see the pain in these women's eyes when they talk about who he slept with first and his eye getting caught on her twin, but in the end, it was all consensual.
Nope - women want one man to themselves and think men are built the same way. Men and women are built differently - something a lot of women don't want to accept
I don't see how this kind of relationship could work, but they're all consenting adults and it's none of my business. I just don't know how the benefits of marriage would work in this kind of situation.
This is very uncomfortable for people to watch . It's very confusing. How will we change the world, when a man is making this all look normal . Scary to some how power and control can get this big . They think it's great. 🤔
As long as you don't abuse your kids, marry them off young, force them into your way of life, TAKE CARE OF THEM YOURSELVES, I don't care what consenting adults do. The problem is, most are abusive to children, especially girls and that makes me sick.
The social and legal services in the US, only supports two people in a marriage. They should be able to do what they want, but in this country, the government controls what goes on in a person's house.
Just seems like a way for men to have their cake AND eat it, too. (if their interested in another woman while they are married, they can still have that other woman without it being cheating.)
I'm all in for adult choise but I really don't think they are setting up the best role model for their daughters. They are suppose to not be selfish and share a man wile at the same time they as women can not have many husbands. I really find it disturbing that a man can think he is a good person and jet act in that way.
Exodus 21 10 If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish. 11 And if he do not these three unto her, then shall she go out free without money.
Why would anyone want to share EVERYTHING with other people? How do these men talk women into doing this dumb shit, are they that insecure? There's no true faith in this marriage, marriage is between one woman and one man only! I guess I'm selfish.
Exodus 21 10 If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish. 11 And if he do not these three unto her, then shall she go out free without money.
And the husbands they pick to share... I mean maybe if it was Channing Tatum or Chris Crawford, but really, these guys are the ones with multiple wives? To each their own though..
Women have gone insane. They think they can be sluts until 35 and then "Mr. Right" will present himself, fall uncontrollably in love with her and bow to her every whim. The reality is, she's altering her mentality, turning herself into something no man wants to subsidize, and by the time she thinks it's time for Mr. Right to present himself - there isn't a self-respecting man who would have anything to do with her. Whittle's last statement is bang-on! Why do anything that benefits women when they don't even appreciate it? When a man sees a woman being beaten and raped, why should he risk his OWN safety to protect her? In the post-feminist world, the answer is: He shouldn't.?
I'm pretty sure you are not 100% good.. Yeah sure, you may be good or nice to others for the most part, but you are not different than every other human on this planet. You have trying times just like anyone else.
Corinthian 1. 7.2 But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. ....not wives..fornicators of LSD
Why isn't illegal to have an extra marital affair why having a mistress is not punishable crime and why fathering a child on a one night stand and abandoning both mother and a child is not a felony. Happily consenting family where everyone has a supposed responsibly is a criminal offense ?. And we are the beacon of freedom and law for the whole world. Wow!. I am not even married by the way let alone being a polygamist.
the desperation is palpable the first two never had a chance...they never knew what it was like to be someones whole world, they only ever knew peices of affection..basically all they know are scraps. the third worman reaslised she was getting to old and decided to settle...none of this is love its just holding on to someone becuse you dont know any better
Sounds pretty airy fairy to me. You mean to tell me there is something up there in the sky looking down on us and willing us to be good? Don't think so.....I have a brain and I think for myself. I do not need a quran, bible or Thor to send me vibes to be a good person. I know to be a good person, and to be good and kind to the people around me - that is what I was taught.
Christian don't do this it's done in mormonism you know y I lower case m on Mormon cause it's a false religion it's more of a cult Joseph Smith made up that is why they don't understand the gospel because they believe in man not God they even said that one day they too can become God so please don't get confused between Christian with mormon we believe in God not man and we believe in Jesus alone with repentance and only save by grace through my Lord and savior Jesus Christ that we are save and mormon believe only that through Smith one could be save
if they do it cuz that's what they want not forced to do it and that they don't marry underage they do what u do none of my business but when u start doing forced marriage or underage marriage that makes things different
Polygamy women are given Right to birth their own children, Right of the Husband Property, Right to be given Shelter, Food & Clothing unlike when the Husband with one wife keeps Mistress, go to the Prostitution, etc. These women are left behind. I don,t understand Gay marriage, Marriage of the same Sex. So who is the sister or the brother in law OR Who is the son or the daughter in Law? Very Confusing
