Moog Little Phatty VS Moog Subsequent 37  

How is it sub37 digital vs lp which is analog i know that there’s no tubes in any moogs right it’s all transistors

@@sinslap_ The oscillators and filters are analog but envelope generators and LFO's are digital in Subseq37

I don’t know why they changed the architecture. May be they need to make components smaller to fit too many functions.

@strangerhythm I just played a Boomstar this past weekend...my opinion on monosynths has changed 😂. Oh my what a machine.

For me, the biggest difference is how they fit in a mix. The Sub37 is great on its own, or in some pure synth music. I found it hard to fit in a full mix of music. Too dominant. But the Slim/Little Phatty fits happily in any mix, whether synth music, a band, or whatever. It’s my keeper. In sold the 37.

Little Phatty'yi satarım diye aldım Subsequent'i ama şimdi çok feci ikilemdeyim. :) İkisi de duruyor haliyle.

The subsiquent models both SUCK. Plus, patching them is a pain in the ass. And if you’re messing around with hidden parameters you have to be real careful. It’s easy to get yourself stuck in a parameter that you can’t get out of, unless you recalibrate from start to finish manually And even then you also run the risk of locking up the entire unit due to your internet connection cutting out unexpectedly. I had this very thing happen to me. There’s not even a hard restart button

I can tell you the subsiquent series is HIGHLY overrated. And I mean highly overrated. Just watch videos on here abs notice how damn near every one of them is using their SUB 25 or 37 as a MIDI controller more than anything This tells me that they’re getting their sounds from plugins and not the unit itself, and is a testament of the quality of those two models

Grandmother and matriarch sounds better IMO, more vintage and classic moog sound. But I cant replace my sub 37 with anything, even if I know also own a Matriarch. Different synths, different utilities and character.

For sure ! sub37 sounds like a fake !

I didn't use Boog D. I can't say buy this or that. It's about what you want and your budget. Only thing that i can say is 25 keys synth is not my type. I really love to play the keys.

Sub 25 has more than double the midi CC's than LP. Boog has 0. I've got a Sub 25, Sub Phatty, Boog and Minitaur. I love them all. Boog is great, but not being able to save patches is a real bummer.

@@alexwestconsulting. How different are the sub 25 and sub phatty … ?!

@@kierenmoore3236 first (but not least) little phatty is bob’s last creation. Not to be overlooked. The line after that is all based on bob’s last model. That feels special having that in your hands. It sings and is warm. Sub phatty is undervalued these days, has a raw, gritty sound relatively. Boog is not as sweet as any real Moog, but so close, sounds more 70’s like a mini Moog than sub can get, closer to lp’s sound, but lp somehow doesn’t sound as 70’s. boog is a no-brainer to buy, sub phatty goes for twice as much used and is undervalued at the moment, lp is more a collector’s item where the Boog sounds close enough to most ears. Little phatty is undervalued because the sub 25 kind of obsoletes it in most people’s minds, but sub 25 sounds basically the same as sub phatty which looks cooler. I got a poly d since I wrote that and while it’s great, the distortion on it is terrible and it’s not as cutting as the Boog on bass. Sub phatty is the best bass machine of that lot. But Minotaur beats it although Minotaur needs distortion down the line since it doesn’t have sub pharty’s integrated drive. So sometimes I actually think that sub phatty is the best bass machine. Although sub 25 is basically the same as sub phatty on that, most people say the drive is better on sub 25, but for me sub phatty has the best drive. If you don’t have any, get a used Boog tomorrow. If there’s a cheap sub phatty, go for that. If you want midi control galore, sub 25.

@@alexwestconsulting Thanks for your opinion/advice! 🙏🏼 I think we have a similar impression of the differences … I like the 70s sound (too end buzz) and that warm singing sound (lp, and maybe voyager top) - very noticeably different to each other. I also really like the Minitaur for extreme bass. I prefer a warm/singing tone, that I can always overdrive externally, if/when I wish. I’m not so into the sound of the Subs, just based on MANY video comparisons - it seems to me they have a tendency towards grittier sounds, whilst lacking some of the heft of older models. I think a Minimoog, LP (or maybe Voyager?) and Minitaur (or Taurus 3, lol) would be my ideal spread of Moog sounds. I’ve been impressed with Boog/Minimoog comparisons … it is 80%++ the way there … the only B closer to the original is tge Pro-1, I think. Cheers! 😎👍🏼

Frankly I'm not fan of both distortion either. S37 is more gritty and aggressive than Phatty. It's just a matter of taste.

I’ve gone through every single moog out there, the little/slim phatty is definetely the winner in the 2vco synth arena.

​@@selcukyusufergen could you shoot a quick video comparing them in action?

Sub37 is ok but you can't do frequency modulation like LP. If you're not obsessed with FM like me Sub37 will not make you happy.

Yeah, using a MIDI interface and DAW takes away from it all. I fairly recently attempted that route. In fact, I was hoping to convert my entire bass guitar setup to MIDI… big fucking mistake I found the DAW and interface software to be EXTREMELY difficult to understand. I couldn’t even get it to where it was producing nor picking up sound The dude from sweetwater actually gave me a refund on the DAW, which was almost 500 dollars. 3 different technicians tried to get me moving and just couldn’t figure it out themselves The user manual was impossible to understand as well… LOADED with technical jargon that even its description needs deciphering

You can always send cv out to pitch or filter from another synth. I do this with a boog model D into my phatty. I also send noise out to its external audio input. Really opens up the Little Phatty

@@jansonrawlings8169 nice. Thanks for the response:… hahah and that it cracks me up when I see / hear someone refer to Behringer synths as “boog” haha… although, I’ve heard that they’re pretty good units, but to also expect certain thing to go bad on those quicker than the same issue in comparison to a moog… something like that The miniboog has an arpeggiator and they’re polyphonic too, aren’t they?

@@MyVideos-fm7ug Haha, ya boog is pretty funny. The “Poly D” has an arpeggiator and sequencer and can play 4 note paraphony, but I have the regular monophonic model D which doesn’t have any of those. The Poly D has a keyboard and is full size, whereas the model D is a little module thing. I’ve had an original 1971 minimoog, and the behringer was spot on sound wise. Just feels cheaper. But surprisingly it’s held up for the 5 years I’ve owned it with no issues at all. You can pick one up for around 200 dollars used, so very low risk if you wanna try one out :-)

@@jansonrawlings8169 get yourself another Poly D, and you’ll have yourself a “double boog-ie”… just like in golf 😆 I don’t know how true this is, but I read something where it’s suspected that there’s some sweatshop child labor involved in the production of each boog. That wouldn’t surprise me, unfortunately And if boog can create a miniboog that’s equipped with both a sequencer and an arpeggiator AND is a 4 voice polyphonic… why can’t moog create such a synth? I love have polyphonic capabilities. It’s such a necessity for me. I do use my cherry audio MIDI plug ins on my phatty, but out of all of the ones I have, I pretty much use what’s called the Elka synth and the analog strings presetting… and it is awesome. The GX-80 plug in is awesome as well. That’s the YAMAHA GX-89 simulator..my only thing with that one is it’s way too reverbish, even with reverb and delay turned off. But my god, there are id to late 70s GX-80s on reverb… STILL NEW AND IN THE BOXES… they go for between 100,000 and 126,000 each!!!!

Subsequent is a little different I think.

Keep both of them for now. :)

@@selcukyusufergen I can see that.. just how do they measure to each other?

LP; phatt and smooth oscillators, smooth wave shape transition, smooth filter (as you can see in the analyzer), last synth that Bob designed. S37; more knobs!, sub osc, noise, hardwired feedback, more modulation, but no osc modulation :( , great arpeggiator and sequencer that you can use as mod source, paraphonic oscillators. So Lp has a sweet sweet sound, S37 has many features and a little more aggressive sound.