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The “Cliff Fletcher is older than dirt” segment was great.

Not going to lie, I love a good Steve dangle passion filled rant. But him using his “inside voice” for his reasoning actually made a lot more sense than him yelling.

Came for the Colin Campbell rant. Was not disappointed. Completely agree that the HOC made a massive mistake in inducting him into the hall.

Love how this episode dropped right before the presidential debates started tonight. Fyi, it was a REALLY easy decision which one to watch.

This was one of the best episodes in a long time. The Cliff Fletcher jokes, the core four rant, and the evisceration of Colon Campbell. All glorious

This one is an indoor voice rant. The loud one later is going to be blockbuster.

Colin Campbell rant was on point 🔥

No Jesse and Adam, Adam Fox was not traded for Dougie Hamilton. They were traded away from the Flames together.

He said Celebrini was a more complete player than Bedard NOT a better player.

JR finally getting in gives me hope that Mogilny will eventually get in, too, at some point. He was one of my favorite players growing up and I was super hyped when he became a Leaf.

People criticize Stuart Skinner but do you realize that he is younger than Joseph Woll and just finished his second season as a number one which included a Calder nomination and a run to game 7 of the Stanley Cup final. And by the way, he is making $2.6M for the next two seasons.

Some other things that are younger than Cliff Fletcher: Nylon; Canned beer; The microwave; The ballpoint pen; The helicopter; The transistor; Velcro; Cake mix; Barbie; Credit cards; power steering; Macdonald's; the hula hoop. Also, between WWII, decolonialization, and the fall of the USSR Cliff Fletcher is older than at least 100 countries.

Steve, this Wings fan was ready for the talk last year. Signing Ghost Bear, Holl, and trading for Petry. Then he did nothing at the trade deadline and cost us the playoffs, and now he traded Walman for nothing. This has been a frustrating 12 months for me. Even with the DeBrincat and Kane deals

Adam imitating the deep voice has me dead 😂 0:07

Panthers top 4 salary: 37 million. Oilers tot 4 salary: 36.25 million. Maple Leafs top 4 salary: 46.65 LOL

Mitch Marner had 1 goal in 7 games in this years playoffs, shying away from contact+puck pursuit multiple times while being injury free...Yeah he is a "Star" alright!

Also those teams you listed in comparison involves contracts that were given to the stars AFTER THEY WON THE CUP!

10:19 DID ADAM JUST CALL SAN JOSE "SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA"???? THIS IS BLASPHEMY!!

As a new hockey fan, I’ve been working on filtering the good hockey pods and accounts from the misogynistic and homophobic ones. Love y’all for making it easy to tell and for making a new queer girly fan feel accepted!!

I'm high while watching this and almost lost my mind when I hit play. It sounded so weird and I was not expecting it

Steve, the criteria is 3 years since your last professional hockey game, not 3 years since you announced your retirement.

My inner 13 year old boy is a bit disappointed you didn't name this episode "Touch Wood".

San Jose is north California. We’re, like, 50 miles south of San Francisco. We’re almost Oregon!

Definition of insanity is going the same thing over and over and expecting a different result

you guys literally talked about Cellebrini lighting up the world juniors for Canada 6 months ago...

Celebrini said he went NCAA because his family was already in the states in San Jose (his dad is linked to the basketball Golden State Warriors) so that brought him to Chicago Steel and then BU (NCAA Div 1) after that... as a kid he dreamt of being in the CHL/WHL!

loved the Campbell rant, it's absolutely spot on and with the HHOF. Roenick was a great player but not HHOF worthy. Their reputation is now tarnished and just a club like you said. As a Devils fan, I agree with the Leafs needing to move on from the core because of everything that was pointed out with other teams

Steve : 1935 Radar invented !! Jessie: Radar ?...What is that ??? 😴🤷😖😦

Genuinely appreciate the inside voice rant. Steve your screamy man mode can be entertaining but you make a lot of good points and in the podcast format I prefer just to hear you make your points this way

Steve saying Maine University just made me cringe, as a University of Maine student

The discussion of CHL vs NCAA has been going on for many years. It depends on what you are looking for as a player and a person.

Adam, take it from me, a Southern California resident in Orange County (GO DUCKS!), San Jose is NOT in Southern California. ( 0:10:17 )

It would be interesting to hear Steve's indoor voice discussion after the free agents and RFAs signings are done. At this moment in time, there are a lot of overpays just waiting to be factored into a lot of teams caps coming up.

On your mention of the 1942 Leafs team and WWII: I found out that a friend of mine at work has a relative who played for that team. He won the cup, then joined the RCAF and fought in Europe, then came back and won a second Stanley Cup in 1945. Also won the World Championship with the Trail Smoke Eaters. Pretty good run!

"Schrödinger's cat is younger than Cliff Fletcher!" ...or is he? We can't know while the box is closed.

Adam it hurts me every time you say San Jose is in southern CA. It’s NorCal, Northern California

CHL gives each player in the league a full ride scholarship to college for each year they play in the league. So even though they're not directly a college team they get a free college education all the same.

Vincent Lecavalier was traded from the Flyers to the LA Kings in 2016 and retired at the end of the season.

I know Calgary lost the Tkachuk trade but Huberdeau & Weegar scored 14 more goals than Tkachuk this season. If Huby goes back to being an 80 point guy, Calgary won (again). Weegar is a stud RHD who just clapped 20 goals.

So you either make a lot of money and hope to have the worlds best GM, or take a pay cut and win the cup.

So what I learned from this episode is that the Leafs should blow it up or lose Marner for nothing. The core 4 contracts have skewed the salary cap percentages to a point where they are irredeemable. The top 4 have proven they can’t get it done themselves. The Leafs can’t surround them with better players because of how much they make. When JT’s contract is done Steve explained how it doesn’t matter. Best case is somebody gives the Leafs something for Marner but I don’t see it happening without retention. Most likely Marner walks during the off season and the Leafs try and spend whatever money they save on a top flight D. Except those aren’t available very often and that’s another wasted year of Mathews.

Note to Jesse - specifically for the hit on Savard at the end - if you want to go frame-by-frame on RU-vid you can use the comma and period keys (aka the < and > keys). Steve was great today, both rants were perfect and he stuck the landing on 116 seconds. Adam, you look great.

Right, so we're realizing that cap increase doesn't necessarily mean you can improve your team with the new money. Minimum, maximum, and everything in between will scale up, in addition, ALL other teams will have the same extra money! So you're left with essentially the same buying power you had. You have to improve your team in other ways.

Lmao for Mitch Marner all I can think of when it comes to him is the bit from Eddie's old stand up skit " What have you done for me lately "😂

Steve Dangle is one of the Leafs" fans who "get it."

2 hours. Bless !

I’m sorry but Adam screaming for Woll to EARN IT was so frustrating. The whole idea is there’s no world where he earns 3x4; he either earns 5+ off a great season or less because he’s hurt, but the bet is that he’ll be great and they get a discount. Players do need to earn their money, I agree, but it won’t work in this case.

Jack Hughes didn't play collegiate hockey ! @8:40

Let’s make Mitch a dman if they don’t trade him then 😂😂😂

What if Mitch Marner was a defenseman? We talk about 88 or even 16 at centre. Why couldn’t Marner be a Q Hughes? Marner sure as hell isn’t a Draisaitl or even Reinhart based on playoff performances in key games

The leafs have a long history of destroying goalies careers, and reputations

The Toronto cap situation really consumes Steve, eh

Adam, your JR take was insane. I watched him play for the Hawks way back in the day and he was a beast. Everything you wanted in a hockeyplayer, especially foe the era he played in.

Here is a question about every pro hockey player: At what point in his career has a player reached a point where 'he is what he is'?

Adam’s fixation on Sutter ‘ruining’ the Flames is hilarious. I dont think Sutter is some genius, but the team objectively played better under him than they did the guy’s replacement. He’d just rather blame a coach than admit his buddy Allan’s client is overpaid trash

Tbh, the HHOF committee seems like the NHL itself. It's a Good Ole Boy's Club, as UrinatingTree has said in the past. It's why Colin Campbell got in and how Harold Ballard somehow is still in

Hronek wasnt going to open market he was an RFA. And let’s be honest he was gong to get 5.5 or less had he not been traded to the Canucks where he got to play with the best defensemen in the league. Quinn Hughes took Luke Schenn whose career looked done and got him a multi year 4 million dollar contract by making look like he could still play.

On the core 4 dilemma, we hear a lotta all-too-late woulda/coulda/shoudla done better regarding Cap management. If Marner doesn't budge on the NMC, a highly possible scenario, and walks away as a UFA, then so be it, if those freed-up dollars can acquire a bonafide top pair D to the core for a few years. Better late than never I quess.

Steve is amazing! His 116 second spiel was the better than any ‘hockey analyst’ could do (not a slight at Steve at all). What a true pro!

Celebrini must be Canadian. He played for us at the World Juniors and was originally on our roster for the Men's World team

Jesse casually declaring that Bouchard is on the same level as Makar....smh

Hawks fan in Wisconsin.. never miss this show. It's great.

when trying to show the matt cooke hit on savard, *use the < and > keys to move frame by frame*

the final segment can also be called why the florida panthers won the cup and have made back to back finals

Good lord did Adam only see Roenick play after the 2005 lockout. Second line Center? What an egregious take.

Cheers for absolutely crushing the last 2 hours of this work week lads

Steve’s analogy of Joseph Woll being like a really good trailer that makes us want to watch the movie instantly makes me think of the 2014 Godzilla trailer with the paratroopers jumping out of the plane..God that movie didn’t match the trailer

I think the Wings dumped Wallman to gain cap space and a roster spot. Who knows if they are going to sign a FA, I think he was more interested in the cap and roster spot for guys that need to be brought up.

Ron Hainsey, former Columbus Blue Jacket. Thanks for mentioning us! Curtis is also a former Blue Jacket! Ken Holland to CBJ as Team President… I’m willing it into existence.

BEDARD and Celebrini are both from North Vancouver

Islanders still have a 1.5 million cap hit for Rick DiPietro for another 5 seasons.

I love your playoff and off-season podcasts (not a Leaf fan, so I start when the Leafs season ends), and the inside voice rant about cap space is maybe my favorite thing you’ve done. I feel like you’ve had a loud rant about this before, but inside voice drives home how ridiculously the team is built and the contrast to other teams is a decent blueprint to understanding how the cap works for and against teams. And you’re right about the HHOF. What a f’ing joke

“We got some cap space” Sure you do Brad.

is there a reason why we need to listen to the same thing twice here steve you already made a video about this and we listened to the rant there, could have a link to it just sufficed and a quick summary? Also McDavid and Drai didnt score any point sin games 6 or 7 so the answer should be trade them immediately right? because they cant score when it matters? CMON this is a stupid conversation that makes no sense, yes if you lose a series in games 6 or 7 constantly chances are ur not gonna have alot of points in games 6 and 7....OBVIOUSLY....

On that Woll debate, it's weird for Adam to be the one coming in idealistic and Steve is explaining the realistic, on-the-ground scenario as to why an undesirable behavior might be best, given constraints.

Matt Roy would be a great RD2 addition but would likely cost 4.5-5.5M

What if they trade both Marner and Tavares. 😊Toronto needs a bunch of top defencemen.

When they first showed Brad's video, I thought he was Al Bundy. Cap space? The Leafs pay extra to get anyone to play in Toronto. Mind you, I'm not bought-and-paid-for, nor am I contractually obligated, so I'm free to laugh at the Kool-Aid peddlers.

I normally find Steve's rants a bit much but Campbell totally deserves it.

The equation is flawed if you don't take the 4th highest paid player into account. Lose Tavares enter Rielly at 7.5m to maintain a "core 4"

"Let's not read Hitler facts" lmao

I have a feeling this season is going to be brutal. Marner resigns. Bertuzzi and maybe Domi walk. Woll and Jones tandem in goal, if they can stay healthy. They struggle to get 20 players. Wait for Tavares contract to drop and let him walk or resign him for way less. Probably miss the playoffs. THEN start doing things to build. The window is going to be closing awful quick with a wasted year this season.

The big difference between Mogilny and a lot of the other big Russian stars of his time is that Mogilny not only didn't schmooze with the Russian Mafia, but he testified against them when they tried to shake him down (wanted Mogilny to pay $150K or he would be shot and stabbed). It must have made for some awkward tensions in the Vancouver dressing room when he there at the same time as Bure, who got run out of town because the team got sick of the mobsters he was hanging out with.

Steve talking like this year wasnt a cap squeeze year no matter what. That Tavares deal ending is what will free them up next year in addition to a cap raise. Steve explaining that player good make more money is annoying.

Dear Carolina, you will likely have at least 1 forward spot available. Its not the best option, but bring Jeff to the playoffs

My #1 argument against state tax being an issue for the Leafs is that Leafs players, above all others, get significant ad deals when they are doing well and are well liked. If Noel Accari, who spent half a season with the Leafs, got an ad deal, you can find a way to add income in Toronto

The new Ownership Management is not short term. I could see them directing Player Personnel to let this "experiment" play out. Get what you can for Marner or let the contract expire, along with John Tavares', all the while looking for that ten-million-dollar RD. (not a re-signed 14 million RW ) Not a re-tool on the fly. But like Steve suggests, a re-design on the fly. If John wants to finish here, give him a low cap, 2-year, contract to retirement. He is invaluable to the dressing room, and probably wants to bring a Cup back to Toronto more than we realize. That's what Montreal should have done with Markov. That kind of math allows much more flexibility. Remember. New Ownership Management.

Fun fact, bedard, celebrini, Benson and a few other guys drsfted high all played together. Apparently their team didn't lose a game for like 3 straight years.

Adams take on Woll contract is sooooo bad. If the Leafs wait for Woll to prove his worth then the Leafs simply wont be able to sign in at all.

@11:34 he literally turned 18 two weeks before this episode... June 13.... you guys are really dropping the ball this episode.. just spewing lies and incorrect info

Lou will die on the job and no one will notice until the next free agency/trade deadline day

CHL pays your university also

Here's what's about to happen. We will run it back, go first in division or NHL. Lose second round and Tavares and Marner will be resigned at about the same for 8 years. I quit being a leafs fan.

Grade 13? Come on. No ONE called it grade 13. It was OAC...remember OACs?

WTF is the HOF a popularity contest not a HOCKEY HoF put Alex in

If Marner is 8 mil it doesn’t change the situation they’re in. By Steve’s cap/math point, the entire four 4 (or core 3) needs to drop by 8-12%

The Leafs goaltending development was killed by losing 4-5 goalies off waivers over the last 6 years or so, due to bad roster and salary cap management. After hiring the Canucks farm team goalie coach last season, Toronto should give serious thought to including Sanford at the draft table to go looking for goalies in the last three rounds of this draft, the way the Canucks do with Ian Clark. There is definitely an elite goalie shortage in the NHL, which is mostly to blame on Hockey Canada for doing a terrible job supporting goalie development, which would have been a better use of millions of dollars than paying out all that hush money over the years. The one thing Treliving did to start to turn the Leafs around was to do more team building in the offseason and not flip half the roster over at the deadline. They didn't even trade their 1st round draft pick. It's still painfully obvious, as it obviously pains Steve Dangle, that until the Fab 4 Forwards are broken up there is no way to build a proper team for the playoffs, because they can't afford depth, a competitive defence corps, or improve their goaltending.

Donation complete, thanks sdpn for all that you do!

Kyle Dubas and Brendan Shanahan really fucked this teams cap up when you do the math.

Disagree with the opinion that grade 13 was stupid. It was a great idea. Now you have 17 year old kids heading off to university (way more expensive than back in my day) who aren't mature enough to handle it. If they can't, then a year is wasted and mucho money down the drain. Why do so many kids have gap years? They aren't ready. Especially when you consider that the human pre-frontal cortex does not fully develop until at least 25 years old. Besides, it was fun.😀