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Another week, and another set of impressions of the CSCSYS50 cordless sliding table saw from #Festool. There’s some new #bluetooth batteries, some questions answered, a much wider fence for the mitre gauge and a DIY flip-stop for easy repeat #crosscuts. Enjoy!
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Комментарии : 96

@markhedquist9597 Год назад

This type of progressive, "getting to know you" review is super helpful. First sight of this saw, and the festool introductory videos had me convinced I had to have it. But watching a trusted youtuber as yourself put it through its paces brings me back to reality. Do I *really* need this saw? It's certainly amazing, but just how amazing is it? Let's just see.

@user-op1ky3yp7h 9 месяцев назад

thanks for your reply shall look forward to seeing how it is done

@dougggiereid Год назад

Great video as usual. I don't know if it's just me, but it feels weird to see you using a table saw. Looking forward to learning more from your obvious table saw skills.

@10MinuteWorkshop Год назад

Haha! Feels pretty weird tbh - not something I’ve ever really done much before. 🤷‍♂️👍

@mandyleeson1 Год назад

Love the flip stop. This saw does seem perfect for your set-up. Looking forward to it starring in future projects.

@10MinuteWorkshop Год назад

Thanks Mandy! 👍

@DavidStanton Год назад

Great to see your revised impressions Peter.

@10MinuteWorkshop Год назад

Thanks Dave! It’s a nice saw, obviously not for everyone. 👍

@rickkinney1249 Год назад

great saw for a model maker---not for a full blown cabinet shop nice review thanx rick

@10MinuteWorkshop Год назад

Thanks! And no, it’s not a panel saw or cabinet saw, but it’ll find it’s place.👍

@Jackripster69 Год назад

Wouldn't a CNC or two be the better options for them anyway?

@JiggsysShed 9 месяцев назад

Great video and explanations of why you do things, including the use of CA glue before cutting the thread... will definitely bear that one in mind.

@Artesaodeluxo 7 месяцев назад

Great video! I just bought this table saw, love the fact you can swap the fences! I’m going to love having a mini sliding saw in addition to my full-size sliding saw. One thing you should consider making for it is a small Fritz and franz jig for holding those small parts you were using backer boards for and also jointing a straight edge on parts small enough to fit on the slide!

@warrensmith2902 Год назад

A new tool, a new jig, love it.

@tc9148 Год назад

Had never occurred to me to use a pencil eraser while ripping small pieces. Nice idea. Thank you Peter.

@10MinuteWorkshop Год назад

I got the idea off Jimmy Diresta! 👍

@andyc972 Год назад

Thanks Peter, great content as usual, looking forward to seeing it in full use on a project !

@williamdoyle649 Год назад

You've got me warming up to the saw itself.Personally,I couldn't own this tool,but I sell Festool and your comments are valuable to me.

@10MinuteWorkshop Год назад

Thanks! I think it’s going to stay a pretty divisive tool with a lot of folks just unable to get beyond the price / what else you could get for the money, but if it does what you need then there’s not much else to compare it to. 👍 But it still needs a mains power option to gain greater adoption.

@gingerelvis Год назад

With the dolls house reply and establishing a Bluetooth connection with a dust extractor hose I thought you were having us on! 😂 All jokes aside it's a nifty saw for smaller projects

@rickkinney1249 Год назад

did not mean to sound negative----your review of the saw was quite through and informative----again thanx for a great review----you are my GO TO for wood/equipment vids thanx rick

@wittworks Год назад

The Doll House Union is going to be PISSED

@10MinuteWorkshop Год назад

They’re always pissed… 🤷‍♂️😂

@dougsaunders8109 Год назад

More video temptation……. Still holding out for the mains version 🙈

@user-ni9gr1qn5t Год назад

Handy little T-slot stop Peter , getting use to that table saw .It is very handy and portable like you were saying last video shame it's not mains powered . Great video as always take care👍👍👍

@10MinuteWorkshop Год назад

Thanks! 👍

@MCsCreations Год назад

Thanks a bunch for all the info, Peter! 😃 Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

@10MinuteWorkshop Год назад

Thanks, will do! 🙌👍

@alistairmcmeekin5382 Год назад

Informative and thoughtful video as usual

@10MinuteWorkshop Год назад

Thanks!

@BischBaschBosch Год назад

Nice add on mate. Odd that you have to though. Festool usually good on that front. Yes, proxxon for model makers (inc dolls houses). My uncle, ex boat builder like me now makes model boats and has gone from Wadkins to proxxon😂 Their table saws tiny, thin, high tooth count blade is ideal for intricate parts. Think your airstream is showing less fatigue as it uses higher capacity cells than the old ones. The amount "wasted" via bt will be negligible on a high consumption tool like that. I really like this saw though.

@10MinuteWorkshop Год назад

Cheers Stew! Yes, it’s odd; the original Festool MFT fence is apparently the same profile as the mitre gauge, but the Festool flag stops don’t *quite* fit. There’s a guy on Instagram 3D printed his own version of the body for it. Happier chopping up bits of plywood personally, and this was just fun to do! Yeah, saw’s working out really nicely; funny how some folks just can’t get beyond the price though! 🤷‍♂️👍

@Unknown_19803 Год назад

Nice and easy👍💡

@user-rq9ls7bv5l Год назад

I think Festool might be coming out with an 18v battery to mains adapter, similar to what they did for their cordless sanders. I saw a photo in one of the Festool groups. Thanks for the great videos!

@JoeC92 Год назад

Metabo hpt makes something like that too. Sucks more tool companies don't do it for tools that chew through batteries fast.

@10MinuteWorkshop Год назад

Yes, I had a comment from Sautershop about that in the last video, look forward to getting my hands in that if it materialises. 👍

@normanboyes4983 Год назад

It looks like a very nice bit of kit actually, the worrying thing is I said exactly the same after watching your early domino videos shortly before I bought one.

@10MinuteWorkshop Год назад

What was it the Madison Avenue ad men used to say - ‘we don’t sell anything, we just make people want to buy…’ 🤔😬🤷‍♂️😂

@nicholascaldwell6079 Год назад

Thanks for answering the question from last week, Peter! I have a feeling my nieces will've outgrown dollhouses by the time I've saved up for this (Proxxon's cheaper but still not cheap Downunder).

@10MinuteWorkshop Год назад

👍👍

@duncanstreet4955 Год назад

Morning Peter, great review as usual - I think there will soon be a Benchdogs variant of your flagstop on the market 😉

@10MinuteWorkshop Год назад

Thanks Duncan! And I’d be very happy to see that! 👍😆

@Jeff034 3 месяца назад

What’s wrong with a scrap of wood and a small clamp? That’s what I use on my crosscut sled on my ‘full size’ saw. I bought this saw for small boxes.

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 месяца назад

I fear you may have missed the point of a flag stop.

@RpR_Makes Год назад

Peter, I took the comment about being suitable for dolls houses as an element of sarcasm 😂 based on how small it looks compared to other table saw. I.e would it fit inside a dolls house 😂

@ralphfell2119 Год назад

Another great video. Just an unrelated comment that seems to be happening across RU-vid. The voice is out of sink on most channels, not that it spoils your first class content.

@10MinuteWorkshop Год назад

Thanks. Yes, the synch issue is a RU-vid delivery problem - it’s all fine on the original. 👍

@dfs7979 Год назад

Nice saw. Too small for me to consider and while I don't really like my SawStop jobsite pro I'm fairly attached to my fingers :D

@djashjones Год назад

"Super Simple", eh, what? Not you too Peter being Americanised 🤣🤣

@10MinuteWorkshop Год назад

Just let me finish the wipe-on poly on this cherry credenza… 😂👍👍

@colinperkins7564 Год назад

Hi Peter. Great vid as always. Just a quick question; that bit of extrusion that you moved from the fence to the mitre gauge: is it the same profile as the extrusion on the fence of the MFT3? It looks very similar. Just thinking that would provide further extension to the mitre gauge, and there’s already a flip stop… Also, does the Bench Dogs extrusion fit to the mitre guage? From recollection I think you have one of their fences…

@10MinuteWorkshop Год назад

It’s very similar to the old MFT/1080 fence extrusion, but not the same apparently. And no, the benchdogs/Ooznest extrusion doesn’t fit - you’d need to change the t-nuts to make it work, and the spacing are wrong so the extrusion doesn’t sit flush with the table. 👍

@gilz2253 Год назад

Peter, excellent presentation as always. However I have to confess that I'm totally puzzled by why Festool, which I hold in very high regard as an upscale tool manufacturer, would come out with this saw. I don't get it....

@steven_vogt Год назад

It seems rather intuitive to me that a Bluetooth battery would drain faster than its regular counterpart because surely the BT module inside is introducing a constant drain that the other doesn't have? The same way you can make your mobile phone last longer by turning off the BT and wifi functions if you don't need them... Pure guesswork on my part, of course 😁

@Benmeglei1 Год назад

Hi Peter, i woodwork out of a 2 bedroom condominium. I’ve never really considered getting a table saw for obvious reasons. My Makita track saw is superb. I am considering it now seeing this Festool and actually being surprised by it’s US Price which just dropped. My question is how loud is it compared to other job-site table saws that’s you’ve come across in the past. Thank you for your time.

@10MinuteWorkshop Год назад

Hi Ben. My experience with site saws is pretty much limited to the Dewalt and Bosch corded saws, and in comparison to those the Festool is much quieter. Quieter than the CT Midi vac I have it attached to, and comfortable enough to use without ear defenders - though I never would. Try and get hands-on with it if you can, but I’m really happy with mine. Only things I’d like to see on it is a power cord and a fine adjuster on the fence. Great saw. 👍👍

@davidsneddon2242 Год назад

I am so pleased you’re pleased Peter and like others Bluetooth has as much detrimental effect on battery life as having your tooth brush on charge at home😂 Great video as always 👍⭐️ 0:19

@user-op1ky3yp7h 9 месяцев назад

is it possible to have a zero tolerance saw blade

@10MinuteWorkshop 9 месяцев назад

I know someone who is doing a zero clearance insert for the table, and I’ve thought about it, but I’d be careful about the effect it would have on dust extraction as it relies on downdraft through the slot around the blade. 🤷‍♂️👍

@bd1720 Год назад

Thank you for these videos. I am seriously considering buying this saw when they make it available in North America. The saw's compactness and battery power would be a nice fit for my small "shop" area. One of my main concerns is how it might handle cutting hardwoods that are near or at its cutting capacity. Is that something you have been able to test?

@10MinuteWorkshop Год назад

Not yet. I’ll be looking at all aspects of the saw in time though. 👍

@TheDaniel85 Год назад

Wait what? No flip stops as standard? :( Even my SCM Minimax came with several flip stops as standard.

@AkosLukacs42 Год назад

A Bluetooth thermometer lasts half a year or a year on a single tiny cr2032 battery. Continously transmitting temperature and humidity. If Festool haven't done something stupid, the battery drain shouldn't be noticeable. Of course if they have done something stupid, well 😮😅

@marktaylor5164 Год назад

Hi Peter. The flag on the flag stop is on the end of the stop nearest the blade....if it were at the other end the crosscut capacity would be a bit greater. Was that deliberate so that to the flag bears against the stop body so that it can't flex or pop off...or could it in fact have been on the other end quite happily?

@10MinuteWorkshop Год назад

Hi. The flag is on with a simple friction fit, so I wanted to be able to butt it against the body of the stop; if you were fixing it on with a screw of some kind then it wouldn't be an issue the other way round. 👍

@darrellgibson Год назад

Thank you for the excellent tip on the simple yet versatile labeling system. Is that also from Festool? 😉

@10MinuteWorkshop Год назад

Yes, it is! 😂

@francisbeland8959 Год назад

Thanks for this video. How would you rate the dust collection? Do you think that an over the blade dust port could help catch more or does the actual dust port is enough?

@10MinuteWorkshop Год назад

Thanks! Dust collection is very good - better than any above-blade extraction I’ve used, and the best below-table shrouding I’ve seen on a table saw. Would above table extraction *in addition* improve things? Sure, probably, but incrementally. 👍

@catfishsalesco Год назад

Did you have the hose plugged into the saw there? looked like it was sitting on the bench when cutting the blue MDF there..

@10MinuteWorkshop Год назад

When cutting the blue MDF yes, I’d left it off. Blue dust everywhere! 🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️

@awantamta Год назад

nice

@crcd2 Год назад

Maybe it only draws on one battery for the electronic control and only uses both for the motor, hence the difference in battery life? Try swapping them over next time you charge and see what happens.

@10MinuteWorkshop Год назад

No, it’s a 36v saw - won’t run off a single battery. 👍

@DavidStanton Год назад

Interesting. My tsc55 will run on 18 or 36 volts but when both 18 volt batteries (identical amps an age and charge) are fitted , one drains quicker than the other.

@Marcus_pePunkt Год назад

@@DavidStanton I cannot confirm this. The batteries of my TSC55 discharge evenly. I have not measured it, but in normal use there is no difference.

@mathewcampbell8479 Год назад

@DavidStanton I'm with Marcus. I've not noticed any difference. In fact the other day I drained them whilst sawing and thought I'd get a couple of cuts at 18V quickly before charging. Neither battery would run the saw so...

@WoodworkJourney Год назад

Good stuff as always Peter. I had a Bosch tool with Bluetooth and that had basically a big watch battery driving it I think so I wouldn’t think it would do too much damage. Have you used the Festool App with it though?

@10MinuteWorkshop Год назад

Cheers Dean! No, haven’t connected to the app - can’t imagine why I would tbh! As I say it’s something to keep an eye on, not a deal-breaker by any means. 👍

@billmckillip1561 Год назад

@@10MinuteWorkshop I can't seem to find which BT module Festool uses but a 23ft range means it is probably using less than 5 microamps while it is transmitting and less than one when sleeping. I don't think you will notice an added drain on an 8Ah battery.

@bigbob9702 Год назад

How would one cut narrow pieces using that clear safety cover??

@10MinuteWorkshop Год назад

First shot of the saw being used is me ripping a ~10mm wide strip. 🤷‍♂️👍

@thekinarbo Год назад

@@10MinuteWorkshop For me the blade cover is a nuisance. When I buy a saw it gets put into a drawer never to be seen again.

@bigbob9702 Год назад

@@thekinarbo same with me. For 40 yrs.

@jamesfarrer5087 Год назад

@@bigbob9702 @thekinarbo1083 Problem is, one day without the blade guard, you might cut your finger off, never to be seen again

@bigbob9702 Год назад

@@jamesfarrer5087 woodworking has many risks. I’d rather see what I’m doing clearly. I’m much safer when I can see what I’m doing.

@bigmac1598 Год назад

Hi Peter. If you can align something by eye to a stop and it is good enough, as it appears over the years for you it was, why would you need the "digital goodness"? Another gimmick to go wrong.

@10MinuteWorkshop Год назад

A point I believe I made in this video. But if you’re designing and engineering the digital goodness into something like the blade height and angle, it seems to be an omission not to have it on the fence, where it would arguably be of more use, don’t you think? 🤷‍♂️👍

@thekinarbo Год назад

Pricey. "The saw will be released in February, at least in Europe; the listed price in the UK starts at £1,532 (USD $1,853). Adding the underframe seen in the photos below bumps the price up to £1,833 (USD $2,216)."

@10MinuteWorkshop Год назад

Compared to what? It was slap in the middle price-wise of the saws I looked at; did a whole video on ‘why buy this saw’, link in description. 👍

@thekinarbo Год назад

@@10MinuteWorkshop I have about $3k of Festool tools. I'm no troll. And I did watch your other video. If that table saw comes to the US I'd guess the contractor demand for it will be limited because of the cost, capacity and its battery only. As a finish carpenter we use a 10" saw for ripping sheets of plywood, scribing base and other bigger stuff. We do make jigs for routers, etc. but most our stuff is kind of bigger. Maybe when there are jobsite videos showing its capabilities that might help generate interest. As of right now the 10" Saw Stop is the preferred jobsite saw because of its capacity and safety. A saw that would be interesting would be a 12" Kapex.

@moodophile Год назад

@@thekinarbo I suspect the difference is in finish carpentry itself placing different demands on the tools. In the US houses I've been to, there's a lot of fancy woodwork around door frames, windows, skirting, architrave etc. In Europe, we tend prefer clean lines and minimalism, hence Peter making his money (Warning; insultingly over simplified) making cabinets to fit odd spaces in out-of-square 100 year old houses. Thus this kind of saw is probably more appealing to European buyers, especially when you consider most of us live in shoeboxes compared to the US...a 10in contractors saw would neither be welcome or much use in a London 'flat'.

@coreywells9498 Год назад

Also a general contractor in North America used to carrying heavy tablesaws and SC mitre saws from job to job- Recently attempting transition to tracksaw workflow with portable diy MFT thanks in large part to Peter and his ilk. Found I was still missing the two bulky tools I was used to having onsite for various reasons. Now have a smaller tablesaw and mini crosscut mft to compliment overall tracksaw setup. Longwinded way of saying many ways to get the job done and a smaller tablesaw could compliment a tracksaw based system.

@peterhope9486 Год назад

Not for me ….waste of money at +£1500 …..!!

@ianmurray3820 Год назад

Does seem strange to have little stepper/servo’s doing all of the blade adjustment, but then not so much as a D.R.O. For the fence.!! ( maybe something you could look into ) also less than £1000.00 and these things would be flying out of the door, at this price can’t really put it on the fathers day/ Christmas list.🥲

@10MinuteWorkshop Год назад

Yes, it’s an odd omission. Still a nice saw though, if it fits your needs. And by the sounds of it they’re flying off the shelves at this price, regardless. 🤷‍♂️👍