This kit was so easy to install on my 1026R...Fits perfectly and looks like it came with the tractor...and HydrosPlus has the flow adjustable so if it is too fast for you it can be turned down. Gets me multiple functions on the BH and FEL.
I have added this HydrosPlus assembly using the higher capacity pump (9gpm). I also have the Summit four-spool remote hydraulics kit. Lastly, I did the tweak to my pressure valve to increase it to 2100psi. All of these changes sure make this little tractor (2018 1025r) from a pee-wee into Goliath. A LOT more lift on the front loader and backhoe, plus the extra flow available allows you to use multiple control spools at the same time. I even had my wife operate the front loader while I played with the backhoe controls and all four spools on the backhoe still functioned at the same time as the two spools on the loader. Amazing stuff considering how puny these things are from the factory! This new larger capacity pump and new adjustable splitter valve really do give these little machines a whole new personality. Ad Kevin gives such great support for his product! Something else to consider is just how much ballast weight all of this adds to the rear of the tractor. When I also added a hydraulic top link, hydraulic tipping link, flow control valves and hoses, it has added 143lbs so far. About $2600 so far, but I believe my little machine is about as versatile as any much bigger tractor now. Warranty be damned!
This kit is very easy to install and Kevin is great to work with. Plus his install vids are awesome! I installed Deere’s factory 3rd function and I would say that was 10x MORE difficult than the Hydrosplus install. And Kevin supplies high quality components with most hydraulic fittings being o-ring face seals. When I started my tractor up after the install, there were no leaks. It’s a completely different tractor; in a good way! I highly recommend this kit!
That is really darn cool! Hope Deere is watching this, let's see some factory upgrades here, guys, look what's possible with just bolt-on upgrades already! Step it up!
Just an FYI the only way the warranty would be void is if they can prove that what you did caused the broken part to become damaged. The magnuson moss warranty act applies to all consumer goods not just cars.
I hate the slow loader speed on mine. I had a Yanmar before and it was quicker. Once you've experienced speed it is frustrating to wait for the bucket.
@@rebelcitysports1outlook713 which a Kioti ? They have a stronger backhoe? I’m down to three choices , John Deere 1 series, Kioti 2520 or 2220 , LS MT125 or Mahindra Max or Emax.These seem to be the only ones with position control on the smaller subcompacts.
Very interesting! Thank you for seeking this out and research! Love how you look for solutions instead of just saying”that is all it can do”. Great job!
Deployed to Kenya, still found a way to continue to watch your videos! - best way to test the lower steering gpms: weighted pallet, or bucket full of material, attempt turning while in that soft woods dirt.
All roads lead to Batesville, Arkansas! I’d know Niem’s voice anywhere! Love that guy! Long time watcher Tim, keep up the good work, and next time you are around here, dinner is on me.
While increased pump flow improves many aspects of hydraulic performance, here are some risks with adding this kit. The steering flow is not sized for the steering cylinder speed. The orbital steering valve has a gerotor that controls how fast the steering turns. You will know if you do not have enough pump flow when steering because the steering effort increases with insufficient pump flow. The flow to steering circuit is necessary to PROTECT THE HYDRO. Secondly, reducing the flow to the oil cooler which is on the steering circuit reduces its capacity to reject heat. You are increasing the heat by increasing the system flow, adding an additional flow divider, which restricts flow AND you are reducing the flow of the oil to cooler necessary to reject the heat. Thirdly, adding additional flow capacity and pressure drop of an additional flow divider takes power from the engine. You lose pto power, all the time. Finally, I would challenge Hydroplus on the price of his kits. The flow divider looks to be a Prince model which you can find online for $150. The pump should cost well under $200. I would assume his cost is under $400 so a markup of over 200% seems a bit high. Steel tubes also have a shelf life before the inside starts to rust, so ensure there is no rust to be found. If the steel tubes were not shipped with rust preventive and end seals, do not install them, or clean them thoroughly. This stands for the pump and the valve also.
I have always thought Deere and Kubota have restricted the abilities of these tractors because the buyers are first time equipment operators. I struggled when I would go from a Deere 310 to a BX I couldn't achieve the results do to flow. With this modification Deere should look into this as a industrial 1025R paint it Yellow and Black. This looks like it is puting the backhoe on par with a 1ton mini ex. I think you should ask the CFO for funding.
Agreed! I will probably be getting the Kubota B2601 instead of the 2025R for this reason. I can out lift and out dig the 2025R by quite a bit. It's too bad cuz I really want a John Deere.
Another option would be a pto pump and tank setup on the rear then you could power a front mounted shredder, auger, limb saw, log splitter or any other high demand implementation. I had a 3point backhoe powered by a pto pump that flowed 11gpm on my L2501 even at idle it had plenty of flow. This would also preserve warranty and cost less than $1,000 and with the use of quick connections could be used to power various implements.
What a boon to 1025R owners for added functionality. Being able to use the Limbsaw shows that with the increased flow, there are other hydraulic attachments and devices that could be utilized thru the existing hydraulic SCV’s, even if only for temporary uses. The mind wanders... Blessings!
Just when I'm cheering to think I can borrow Johnny to cut some high limbs I find out I have to go to Arkansas to get him. This was a great video of a product that would really smooth out hydraulic function's. Now the warranty situation😢
That valve is expensive. JD would not put it on the low end tractor (small ) tractor like the comment above. But for utility higher flow is good, for "tractor" pulling things not so much. See popularity of high flow skid steers and thier implements.
That is honestly amazing! I wouldn't worry about the heat one bit. Like it was states in the video the hydrostat pump is considerably larger than this upgraded pump. Imagine how much more heat that thing could generate pulling a heavy load.
Great video Tim. That is a great solution. Always can use more flow. I was surprised to see your 5 series has less than 12. You should see if he can provide better pumps for larger tractors, specifically my 4320 hint, hint!
Amazing news and demo! On the pruning, I totally agree with at least two cuts to avoid stripping the bark. As the saw dulls, that's even vital on the smaller branches.
Well, if you buy a used tractor without a warranty, there are literally no downsides. It would be interesting if there was a device that could divert 100% flow to hydraulics unless the steering is being engaged.
These things do not "void" a warranty. Rather, if you have a failure and it is due to a non-OEM component, then that particular failure would not be warrantable. But installing an aftermarket pump does not "void" warranty on your seat, for example. Good talk. See you out there.
Great demo……. Limb sawing and digging a hole in someone else’s yard. What fun. Question……. How many did you take home? I just wonder if John Deere doesn’t just buy one of these for a test tractor. My dad would always welded a piece of rebar to the clutch pedal because he had a left wooden leg. He never had a warranty on the old Ford tractor anyway. Worth your trip to Arkansas.
@@PatrickKQ4HBD My dad, George T. Raber, would not let anything hold him back. He lost his leg at a young man to an infection. He was a public servant for over 30 years, had 7 children, came from a farming family. He won six consecutive six year terms as Circuit Count Clerk here in Henderson, KY. Loved his local Lions club, always first to volunteer to put up flags around town on weekends, loved cooking chickens for family events. The biggest problem he had was dimming his head lights on his cars. (The dimmer switch was on the floor, not the light stalk.) He loved gardening, giving away vegetables to any visitors. He feed many young preachers in our church. My dad has been gone now for 20 years. I still miss his humor ever day. Thank you for your comment. He was a stud!!!!!
Tim, I knew you would be trying this out when I found his channel. Probably won't be adding it to mine right now, but after warranty expires???? Great information!!
It absolutely can, but even so, Kevin has an awesome solution called the Hydrosplus Cooler+ that keeps the hydraulic fluid nice and cool no matter how hard you run it. The Cooler+ absolutely dwarfs the stock cooler and makes it look like a toy in contrast.
Tim, please don't be one of those people that uses the blanket statement of "It'll void your warranty." For an OEM to be able to refuse warranty work, they have to be able to prove that any modifications you made directly contributed to said failure, and it's on them to provide reasonable evidence. Secondly, an OEM can not deny warranty work if the failure is unrelated. Ie, they couldn't deny replacing a defective throttle linkage simply because you swapped out a hydraulic pump. Sorry to rant, but this is a pet peeve of mine whenever someone says "It'll void your warranty." when in reality what they actually should say is something such as, "This may allow the OEM to void this specific portion of your warranty, if they can provide evidence that your modification directly resulted in the failure that you're trying to have them fix on their dime." As always though, love the videos! (And for full transparency, I'm not big on warranties anyway. Lol) 🚜🚜🚜
Matt, please understand that I am walking a tightrope here. We want to remain on good terms with Deere, yet show mods like this. I’m doing my best to balance the two.
@@TractorTimewithTim that's a good point. You're in a unique position here and have to be mindful of such things. That being said, hopefully viewers realize that warranties are not an all-or-nothing situation. My point being, I'd hate to see a viewer decide to not make a great modification such as this simply out of fear of losing their entire warranty, when that's just not the case. But hey, enough about this. I've got some backhoe work to do! 😀
Thanks for confirming what I've seen on the Hydroaplus videos. Looks to be a great solution for hydraulic flow. Have you ever considered trying this with a hydraulic auger, either backhoe mount or loader mounted configuration.?
This is a great option for the biggest problem with these little tractors. I have been thinking about an auxillary pump and resivoir for my BX 25 to operate a hydraulic bush mower. Thanks for the video.
this was actually pretty useful and something i could see putting on a 1025r myself....i do like the hydrolic cooling system on the 1025r, im not sure why no other manufacture has done a similar system, to me it would make your tractor and hydro run cooler, especially out west here in the hot dry heat...
Very nifty stuff. Faster and smoother with the implements and now the "most loved" implement of all (PTO post hole digger) could maybe become a hydraulic and reversible auger so you can get it out of what you got it into. You just have to pay attention to the flow requirements of hydraulic augers as what I have seen this is on the minimum end of what they want. Maybe the optional big volume pump would cover that. Hope you get a chance to try these out at length.
With the enhanced flow you could put larger cylinders on the loader lift function and increase the lift capacity without increasing the pressure and still maybe get reasonable response speed.
Tim, great video and this is exactly the kind of content I’m looking for! You are looking very impressive on the operation of the backhoe! So how would this work for a BX Does a skid steer post hole digger work with the increased flow?
Sounds nice, but can the structure of the tractor survive the added bending that can happen with the added power the tool(s) can apply....There Has to be a limit, how far are you from that?
This is a great upgrade. I’d sure like to see him do something for other brands..... like maybe Kioti 😀. But not sure how conducive the hydraulic setup may be on them for something like this vs the Deere. I haven’t torn that far into mine yet. Love the videos!
I didn't realize how limited the tractor hydraulics are set up from the factory. You can only use one hydraulic function at a time on a $20k machine??? That's a deal breaker. I would feel like JD really sold me an incomplete tractor if I brought one home and discovered that! Thank God for people like this that see a need and step up with a solution. How awesome would it be if Deere agreed to warranty this mod!
Easy to say that. However, a machine without such 'limited' hydraulics is a skid steer. These are $60k+. So, I believe the compromise is excellent. We can get a LOT of function for less than $20k. Oh, and we can do 2 functions at once...just not smoothly and predictably.
This is a compelling reason(s) to stop putting lip stick on the pig (beloved 2006 2305) and move into a newerish 1025R...and a 260B. A nice way to wake up on my 55th birthday. The 2305 was great at 40. Looking ahead a few years a guy is going to need better tools.
I had the same experience. Started with the 2210 and then went to the 2305. Ultimately moved to the 1 series because of additional features and the ability to easily adjust lift capacity. You won't be disappointed with the upgrade to the 1 series, regardless of which one you get.
I bought the biggest pump from Kevin at Hydrosplus for my 1025r just for this limbsaw. Love the extra flow for bucket and grapple as well as able to run at lower RPM. I see in all your videos you mount the limbsaw on the pallet fork. Is that so you can move from side to side? Did you mount it just at the rear of pallet fork only? Or another mount up farther? Thanks Tim for the 10% off and Kevin for a GREAT kit
As Kevin mentioned, the 8 GPM pump is the same as included in the 2025r...so the drivetrain already handles that one. Only the 9.5gpm pump would be in question.
We have a solution coming soon for the 2038R (as well as any 2nd gen 2R/3E solution except the 2025R. The solution in this video works for the 2025R). Visit here hydrosplus.com/coming-soon as well as visit the HydroPlus youtube channel for additional videos.
Tim, this was an excellent video I love your search for technology. By the way is there anything this ingenious young man can do about increasing the flows on the large frame 2s
I run into over heating when running my belly mower on the 2305. it does not take much grass build up on the radiator. this model is the hydro drive unit. I would not want to push it with something like this with this model
Thanks for making this point. When you move up to 8 gpm, which is what you can get on the implement circuit on the 9.5 GPM pump, you're still using 11.76 HP...less than half of the available rated HP. I understand that Deere has to balance this with the hydrostatic drive and PTO, which is part of the reason it can't be 25hp, but it leaves A LOT on the table when you're using the backhoe or other stationary implement. To add to your comment, you are only hitting 2100 PSI when the pressure relief valve is open, otherwise it's less. When not doing hydraulic work, you are running in the 10s of PSI until a spool is activated.
@@HydrosPlus Very good points. I believe you have not even reached the limit yet. Most skidsteers seem to have 65-75% of engine power available at the auxilliary hydraulics. I watched your loader video, and it already looked fast, so I'm not sure if you would want to go even faster. I think the most you would want to push it is 12 or 13 gpm. One concern would be the possibility of stalling the engine when hittimg the relief valve at idle, but that could be considered user error. Is this possible with your setup?
@@zachary3777 it won't stall the engine at idle, but if you were to max the hydrostatic pushing into a pile and hit the PRV on the loader, it would be close. But as you mention, if you need that kind of power, you need to up your throttle. With the 9.5 pump, moving up to 18-1900 rpms, you can't stall it with wheels spinning and hitting the PRV on the loader. Agree that 12-13 is the max for this tractor - 2 for the steering and 10 for the implements would be the max recommended flow for the mostly 3/8 plumbing throughout the tractor.
Hey Tim!, You have just caused me to spend even more money! I really wish you would have brought your grapple along with your 260B since it has the hydraulic thumb. If you are like me you probably are not satisfied with the factory third function. I would have liked to have seen that in action. Thanks for what you do. I am approaching almost 400 hrs of 1025r time.
Easily adjustable with a 1/2 wrench to remove the dust cap (or pliers in a pinch) and a flat head screwdriver to adjust the set screw. Not sure if that meets your criteria for "on the fly", but you can definitely adjust as you change applications - more steering for mowing, less steering for backhoe work, etc.
You can install a hydraulic pump to your rear PTO and you will have 15 plus gallons per minute of hydraulic flow and you'll have 2,000 psi of hydraulic pressure. The rear PTO on a 1025r turns at 18 HP. I purchased my rear PTO Hydraulic Pump from Northern Hydraulics.
