Mormon Conversation: 3 Essential Differences 

Our ETERNAL PARENT'S, already restored THE TRUE CHURCH, THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS.

Except Jeff has been debunked: m.ru-vid.com/group/PL7QA-FYaV-YkC_0FJw--k0sz7DVUyY6TL

Or James White

Well.. i doubt they can even get past these guys. Lol. The truth stands on its own. 😂

They should debate @MidnightMormons .. would love to see them hash it out with kwaku, Brad and Cardon..on this topic .. free Mormon radio got destroyed by midnight Mormons on that debate ..

The absolute final boss will be Jesus and we will all meet him again after this life. He will judge and help us all to understand it then.

God works in there hearts because he is already in their hearts, just like he is in your heart. You don’t have to be THE true church to have the spirit of God in you. He loves all of his children and if you want and accept him into your life his spirit will be with you. I am LDS and I have come to and understanding with other faiths and what they believe, i wish that more Christian’s could understand other faiths as well and know that they are on their own journey to find God, and that might mean they want nothing to do with it but maybe one day their eyes will open and they will see that god is and was always there for them, they just had to seek him out. The best advice I can give to anyone trying to show some the truth is to be patient and content with who they are and what they believe and they will see something special (Holy Ghost) in you and want to know what you know and their door to god will open. Be their for them and look at them how our savior looks at them. Sorry this was a little long I’ve been thinking about it lot. My grammar isn’t that good either so sorry if it looks confusing. Have an awesome day

​@@mr.ghibli2099 Mormonism is not Christianity, it is another religion. It's so far away from the gospel that it can't even be called heresy. It's a false teaching that destroys everything the bible stands for. Do NOT conflaite your cult with Christianity and our God

In my life time I have studied the Old Testament 15 years. the New Testament 15 years, the Book of Mormon 15 years and the D & C 15 years we regard all the scriptures important.

@@AdrianPrince-kn7gr But the Book of Mormon is the most correct.

@@texnewmexneen Yes you are correct.

@@AdrianPrince-kn7gr They are not equally important if the Book of Mormon is considered more correct.

@@texnewmexneen Is this all you can come up with, All scriptures are important, That is why I study them. I know that the preacher that came to my house, I was showing him scriptures from the bible and he said that he didn't believe them. So what is he teaching to his people and getting a lot of money for it. Oh he said that he was a Christian. I see that you ignored all the scriptures I shared with you.

Who are you praying too though. You’re Jesus who you also think it’s God or the Lord who you called God as well? Or do you pray to the Holy Spirit who you also believe is one person out of three in God?? like seriously I’m so curious who do you pray to add to the three that you believe in God do you pray to Jesus, the Lord or the Holy Spirit? Please answer me I’m so curious 🤭🤭🤭🤭

Well, I can see that you are confused by the concept of the Trinity. While there’s no question that it’s difficult to understand with our human minds (and to explain! 😬), there’s also no question that it’s what the Bible tells us about who God is. Biblical Christianity teaches that God is three in one. We know that there is only one God, but we also know from Scripture that the Father is God (John 6:27, Romans 1:7, 1 Peter 1:2); Jesus is God (John 1:1 & 14, Romans 9:5, Colossians 2:9, Hebrews 1:8, 1 John 5:20); and the Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4; 1 Corinthians 3:16). We also adamantly believe that the Father is not Jesus or the Holy Spirit, the Son is not the Father or the Holy Spirit, and The Holy Spirit is not the Son or the Father. God is three co-existent, co-eternal Persons who are ONE God. We believe they have always existed together, as One, from eternity past to eternity future, which is why God calls himself “Elohim” in the Old Testament, which is the PLURAL form of God in Hebrew. Deuteronomy 6:4 says, “Hear O Israel, the YHWY (LORD) our Elohim (Gods) is one YHWY (LORD). Whenever Jesus said, such as in John 8:58, “I tell you the truth, before Abraham was, I AM” He was calling Himself God. There’s only one way that makes sense! (The Jews understood He was calling Himself God, which is why they picked up stones to kill him for blasphemy.) Our God is three in one. (Definitely NOT three separate Gods, or One God who can change into one of the other two when He needs to, or any of the other heretical beliefs that have been taught down through the ages.) So, the answer to your question, would be that we pray to God. Bible allows us to pray to one or all three of the distinct Persons of our God (or “The Trinity”) since they are all God. I personally typically address The Father, through the Son (because His sacrifice on the cross allows me to go directly to God - I don’t need a priest since the veil to the Holy of Holies in the temple was torn at His death, signifying that the barrier is no longer between myself and God, since I now have Jesus’ righteousness given to me), and by the power of the Holy Spirit. When we pray to One, we are praying to all Three - we are praying to the God of the Bible, as difficult as that is for our tiny minds to grasp, so that we can glorify Him, thank Him, and worship Him for His goodness, grace (giving us what we don’t deserve - such as eternal life with Him), mercy (NOT giving us what we DO deserve once we are saved, which would be eternal death and separation from God), His kindness, provision, etc. We also ask Him for what we need for ourselves and others, confess our sins, etc. God is more wonderful, more powerful and more beautiful than I will ever understand - “His ways are not my ways”; but if He weren’t, He wouldn’t be God!! ❤️

@Jody Eggleston: Please explain to me the situation in Acts 7 verses 56 and 57. Also, I’m interested in your take on John 17 verses 11-23. If you can understand these, I think you’ll begin to understand a Latter-Day Saints viewpoint.

@@michaelnicholas5587 Of course! By “explain to me the situation” at the end of Acts 7, I’m assuming you don’t mean why the Pharisees wanted to stone Stephen for blasphemy - I’m guessing you’re referencing the fact that his vision is that of Jesus standing at the right hand of God, and how could he be if he IS God, correct? First of all, we need to remember that this is a VISION Stephen is having, and secondly, he reports seeing the “glory of God” so we don’t really know exactly what he saw - light, maybe? We know that “God is Spirt, and those who worship Him must worship in Spirit and in truth.” (John 4:24), and we know that no man has seen God (John 1:18, 1 John 4:12), so what exactly did Stephen see? I don’t know, but somehow he saw the glory of God, and Jesus through the power of the Holy Spirit, and he was comforted. We also know that Jesus had to “take on flesh” in order to become our sacrifice, “And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory…” (John 1:14) Isaiah 9:6, “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government shall be on his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, The prince of Peace.” Matthew 1:23 “Behold a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which is God With Us.” He LOWERED Himself to take on human flesh. Luke 24:39 says Jesus was resurrected with a physical body, and ascended in that body, so it stands to reason that he still has a physical body in Heaven, “For a spirit does not have flesh and bone as you see that I have.” Jesus of course, has a resurrected body, so His is different than mine, but the same as mine will be when I myself am resurrected. Perhaps part of Jesus’ sacrifice for me is that he maintains the form of a human forever?(See Philippians 3:21). The New Testament says multiple times that Jesus also had/has God’s glory - I most certainly will not have God’s glory. John 1:18 says “No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten (or “unique” in Greek) God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him”. As the Bible repeatedly tells us that Jesus is God - see the above verses, John 1:1, etc., we must believe that it is true. Our God is Three in One, just no getting around it, as difficult as the concept may be - it’s what the Bible teaches. (BTW, there are also many verses in your own Book of Mormon that affirm the Trinity: 2 Nephi 31:21, Mosiah 15: 1-5, 3 Nephi 11:27, Mormon 7:7.).

@@jodyeggleston6045 Yes, God is spirit, but aren't we all spirits? We are all spirits housed in bodies. Stephen said he saw Jesus standing on the right hand of God. I'm taking that as he saw two personages. Why is it so hard to comprehend that God has a body? Are we not made in His image? None of the verses in the Book of Mormon affirm the Trinity the way mainstream Christianity sees it. Again, I will refer to John 17:21, which says, "That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe thou hast sent me" KJV. He continues in verse 22 with, "And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one." Can we all be one being? No, He is talking about oneness in purpose, and that purpose is to bring about the immortality and eternal life of man. Our Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ, and The Holy Ghost form the Godhead, in which all are one God with one purpose, but are each an entity of their own. As one who has been to many different denominational churches, I have found that there are so many biblical topics and questions that cannot be answered in mainstream churches. Above all, they seem to have no idea of why we are here, how we got here, what we are doing here, and where we are going. What do you think you will be doing in Heaven when you are resurrected?

They just deny it. The verse where it talks about satan wanting to be like the most high they twist into their belief that Satan wanted to be like Jesus who was the most high because in the preexistence he was chosen over satan to be the savior. That’s where they change the Bible. They don’t believe satan wanted to be God. They say he wanted to be the savior over Jesus but Jesus was chosen instead. Whenever they say this view though I point them to the places in the Bible where God is referred to as the most high and then genesis where satan says that Adam and Eve can be like God. Literally the exact same promise the LDS church gives. It’s the gospel of Satan

@@xxdarkwolf20xx60 Why is it so hard to fathom that we can become like our Heavenly Father given that if we have faith in Jesus Christ we can become joint-heirs with Him (Romans 8:17). What does this mean? After all, we are the sons of God. As a father do you not want your children to have the best of everything you have? Why would our Heavenly Father, whose love we cannot comprehend want anything less for His children? By the way, Satan did not lie when he told Adam and Eve could be like God in knowing good and evil, the lie came when he told them they would not surely die.

@DatboiMazz Satan wanted to be above God and steal His glory, we just want what God wants for us; to become joint-heirs with his Son Jesus Christ as promised in the Bible.

@DJ John Lewis I imagine they are praying for the same thing for you. How do you know you have the truth, and they don't. Does your church teach that you need to be baptized to be saved?

@@michaelnicholas5587 well, that's a great question that requires a very long answer. But to simplify it, the Mormons claim they believe the Bible is true. However, the Bible clearly states there is one God and there are none before him and none after him. Yet, the Mormons believe that you can become a god. They believe Jesus is a god but not one with the father. They believe many things that come from the Book of Mormon that directly contradict the Bible. So while I have to say that ultimately I believe what I believe based on evidence and faith. I know that what they believe cannot be true purely based on logic. I may be wrong about what I believe. But I know that they can't be right in that their own supposed belief system collapses on itself.

@@chainsawkarate We do believe the Bible is true. For us there is one God, and we must follow him in spirit. We do believe Jesus is God because He is one with the Father, not in body, but in spirit and purpose. I see nothing in the Book of Mormon that contradicts the Bible, in fact I believe it clears up much of the biblical doctrine that is hard to be understood. Let's take a look at John 17:21-23. 21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. Can we all be one physically? Can I be in you and you in me? Can I physically be in Jesus and He be physically in me? If you look at it logically, none of it makes any sense. However, if you look at it from the context of mind and purpose, we can all be one if we all live the teachings of Jesus. As far as becoming a god, I look at it this way. Are you a father? Do you not try to teach your children all of the good things that you can so that they can become as good as you? Now I realize that we do not always set good examples for our children, but we all want the best for them. However, Jesus gave us the perfect example and wants us to follow that example to the best of our ability. We all fall short of that example, and that's why we need Him to be our Savior. Now imagine what He could teach us if we had eternity with Him to learn to be as He is without all of the temptation we face on this earth. Now let's look at Romans 8:17 and Hebrews 1:2. Romans 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. Hebrews 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds. If Jesus is heir of all things and we are joint-heirs with Him, will we not also be heirs of all things? It is my prayer that you will follow James 1:5-6 and you will gain the understanding that you desire.

​@@michaelnicholas5587 the bible tells us we have the truth. You don't follow the bible.

​@@michaelnicholas5587 Joseph Smith said there is/was other gods. He said he translated the book of Abraham but now even the Mormon church admits he was wrong. He made up information about death scrolls of ancient Egypt and you still follow his word as gods. Jesus didn't mistranslate or lie, the disciples never mistranslated or lied. The witnesses of the Mormon tablets all left the Mormon church eventually

Does your church teach that you need to be baptized in order to be saved in the Kingdom of God? If not, they are teaching falsely. How do you know LDS teachings are false? I do not find anything in the Bible that would suggest LDS teachings are false.

@@michaelnicholas5587 By your logic Abraham is in hell......

@@justincottrell6928 Absolutely not. If Abraham was not baptized during his time on Earth, that work will be done for him by proxy. He will then have the opportunity to accept or reject that ordinance. I’m guessing he would accept.

@@michaelnicholas5587 You lost all credibility with work by proxy. I don't know what false gospel you indulge in but I'd offer as a suggestion repentance and belief in the only true scripture which is the Holy Bible

@@justincottrell6928 it’s right there in the Bible. Read the entire chapter of 1 Corinthians 15. There is so much great stuff in there that mainstream churches don’t have an answer for.

Revelation 22:18-19 is only referring to the Book of Revelation, not the Bible as a whole. I think this mythos of closed canon arose partly because of the impression given by having this be the last passage in the Bible. But a similar verse is also found proverbs, and another in Deuteronomy. So were the Sadducees right to only use the five Books of Moses? Of course not. There’s a difference between altering and adding to a book, and providing a separate book that corroborates it. It’s the difference between editing security camera footage, and providing eye witness testimony alongside the footage. People forget that the books in the Bible are not organized in chronological order. Believe it or not, John himself added to those words in revelationwhen he wrote the Book of John, which he wrote AFTER the Revelation of John. And this is how the Gospel of John ends: John 21:25 “And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.” It seems even John supports additional books like the Book of Mormon. The Bible isn’t one book. It’s a collection of books. And the Book of Mormon is just more books for that collection. Imagine the effect it would have had on history if John’s invitation for more books was the last passage in the Bible instead of Revelation? Now everyone thinks the collection is complete, when John himself didn’t believe that.

​@Pistachio-Cat John is clearly putting his book on the same level as all these potential other books that could be written chronicling Jesus’s other deeds. When John is writing here, there is no concept of canon. Just a bunch of random unconnected books people have written about events. Here’s the timeline: 1. Doctrinally significant events happen. 2. A bunch of people begin independently writing down and retelling some those events. 3. An angel gives John a specific revelation and tells John to write it down. 4. John also begins writing about the events of point 1, some he witnessed himself, some he got from the people in point 2. 5. John admits that while he made just one book about some of the events of point 1, there are so many said events worth writing about that there could be enough books written about them to fill the world. 6. Over 400 years later, people collect a lot of the writings in point 2, including points 3-5, though there are many writings in point 2 that weren’t collected. They arbitrarily compile some of that collection into the New Testament and discard others. 7. Over 1,000 years after point 6, people start saying that all the doctrinally significant events significant enough to write about have already been written about, and that the ones that can be found in this compilation called the Bible are only ones worth learning from, and there can be no others. 8. Joseph Smith is told to translate the Book of Mormon, a book detailing doctrinally significant events in the Americas between 600 BC and 400 AD that God commanded the people there to write about so that he could give that record to people today to read and learn about as an authoritative source of God’s teachings. 9. The people in point 7 say that the book in point 8 is blasphemy because John said in point 3 not to misquote the things the angel told him to write.

​@@KnuttyEntertainment the revelation of John? It's the revelation of Jesus Christ. Why would I need the revelation of a man? Are you Mormon?

You have to stop with this horrific cursed nonsense you're spewing. Throw away any book made after year 95 A.D. and only believe what God Himself has to say and forget anyone outside of the 40 men that He got to write down HIS word. And then MAYBE you'll be okay. Repentance is our friend...

@@KnuttyEntertainment so the Council of Nicaea got it totally wrong??

I'm afraid that's a different gospel than the one Jesus Christ preached my friend. Matthew 25:31-46. What we do in this life does matter. It's critical, actually. Not all who say Lord Lord, Matthew 7:21.

Then what are we doing here? Why all the pain and suffering? Certainly, the choices and actions we take in this life have meaning and consequences. It seems to me that God would be awfully cruel to put us in a situation to suffer and learn from mistakes when none of it would matter as long as we simply confess Jesus as our Lord and Savior. There has to be action on our parts to confirm our faith. Without actions our faith is just meaningless words. Jesus's grace is certainly sufficient, but we need to come to Him in faith and obedience.

Should read 3rd nephi in the book of Mormon.. when Jesus Christ visited the America's during his resurrection .. I believe that would explain it alot more clearer than they could .. Moroni chapter 8 is what really separates Mormons from other Christians.. its the core to the problems going on right now with my body my choice or @bor+!on... that chapter alone is the root of Christianity and apostasy

It represents the covenant relationship Israel has with God. Jesus is their advocate with the Father, his is the only name given under heaven. So while there are other gods, God is the same only one they are to have a relationship with.

The passage obviously speaks of TRUE gods. It’s the context of that entire portion of Isaiah. Simple category error.

@@tylerbuckner3750 im no mormon, but the Word also says, we are made like gods but die like men, because of sin. If you use the Isiah passages so fervently to get to them, you should really give them more context. It is a little cringe to hammer on those verses, saying it explicitly says in the Bible, no God before Me, no God after Me. We ARE made in His image, we are made like gods but die like men. And is the enemy not called the god of this world? Still doing loving work though, I see. Yet basing it so heavily on Isiah's passages, is cringe to those that recognize, reading the Word, knowing it, should make one realize,... this topic is not so easily fully understood at all. To keep it real, just saying.

@Pistachio-Cat So the means is?

@Pistachio-Cat No, if you cut out the middle man, God chose and that's the Calvinists means to salvation

@Pistachio-Cat No, Calvinist preach a different gospel, different from what Paul taught due to a misinterpretation and partiality of scripture

@Pistachio-Cat It's more gnostic than Christian

@Pistachio-Cat To say predestination is the end and not the means is nonsense. Pre destination by its very definition means action defining the destination, in other words, the means

A church is the body of Christ - all the people who accept Christ's gift of salvation and follow Jesus Christ and His teachings. True, born again believers.

@@ChildOfTheOneTrueAlmightyGod The Greek word translated as church means assembly. One person is not an assembly and multiple people in different locations are not an assembly. Only those present together can call themselves an assembly. A church has a membership: in Acts they knew how many were in the upper room and how many were added on the day of Pentecost. A church disciplines its members: read Corinthians. A church baptizes and keeps the Lord’s supper. A church has two offices, bishop and deacon. Therefore, a church is a gathering of baptized believers, in Christ, for the purpose of worshiping God and keeping the ordinances.

@@AK-qc8ix I stand by my comment.

@@ChildOfTheOneTrueAlmightyGod Standing by something you can’t defend is not wise.

@@AK-qc8ix Read the Bible, that’s my proof. You can’t go around adding things that you want to add. That doesn’t change God’s word. Not all believers have died as baptized Christians. It’s wonderful to be baptized, but it isn’t an absolute necessity for salvation. Ephesians 4:15 ESV Rather, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ, Matthew 18:20 ESV For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.” Ephesians 4:15-16 ESV Rather, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ, from whom the whole body, joined and held together by every joint with which it is equipped, when each part is working properly, makes the body grow so that it builds itself up in love. Colossians 3:15 ESV And let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, to which indeed you were called in one body. And be thankful. 1 Corinthians 3:16 ESV Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you? Romans 16:17 ESV I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. 1 Corinthians 3:9 ESV For we are God's fellow workers. You are God's field, God's building.

Utah has caffeine free everything, including Dr. Pepper. Also, the rule is against “hot drinks.” Which has been interpreted as coffee and tea. The theory goes that the caffeine in them is the reason why, but caffeine has never been called out as something to avoid by church leaders, soda either. (Though I think at one point, there were no caffeinated beverages served on BYU campus, which is probably where the misconception comes from.)

@@KnuttyEntertainment In 1975, Bishop H. Burke Peterson of the presiding Bishopric stated in the New Era: "We know that cola drinks contain the drug caffeine. We know caffeine is not wholesome nor prudent for the use of our bodies. It is only sound judgment to conclude that cola drinks and any others that contain caffeine or other harmful ingredients should not be used."

@@KnuttyEntertainment In 1980 in the Ensign, Elder Sterling W. Sill stated: "In the Word of Wisdom the Lord so narrowed down the width of the road leading to good health that, among other things, he placed alcohol, nicotine, and caffeine out of bounds."

@@KnuttyEntertainment On the Larry King Live show in 1998, the following conversation took place: Hinckley: Oh, I don't know. You've read a part of the word of wisdom. The word of wisdom covers many things. It covers the excessive use of meat, as I see it. It covers, in a very particular way, the use of tobacco and alcohol. Larry King: By saying no? Hinckley: By saying, by proscribing those things. Larry King: No to caffeine? Gordon B. Hinckley: No to caffeine, coffee and tea.

@@RobinsonBaseball Do a talk show interview and a couple comments in a magazine (the first one is just scientifically true and doesn’t even mention the word of wisdom). Not even an official address of any kind to the membership of the church. Has the church ever denied someone a temple recommend because they drank the occasional coke? I see nothing regarding the church’s policy, just that these people were of the opinion that the principles of healthy living given in the word of wisdom could be extrapolated to caffeine.

They actually just purchased that edition. The Inspired Version is the historical Bible of the Community of Christ (RLDS).

That would require them to believe that they can be wrong and will spend eternity in hell. Whether they believe it or not, the lake of fire is where they're headed if they don't put pride and ego aside and fall on their faces before almighty God and repent. I pray for all of the lost, especially the ones who think they're on the right paths but are so very lost. My heart breaks for them all.

@ M. Roque: Do you think God would eternally condemn someone who tried his best to understand the scriptures but got them wrong to hell? I mean there are how many thousands of churches out there that do not all teach the same doctrine; very confusing, right? That doesn’t sound like love to me. I know I would not eternally condemn my child if I left him with a set of instructions that could be interpreted in many different ways, and he couldn’t figure them out.

@@michaelnicholas5587 That seems right…to you, a human being. That’s why God sent the Holy Spirit to help us understand His word. We must remember that God knows our hearts. If someone wants to know God and the truth with his whole heart, God guides him to the truth. Man condemns himself to hell by hearing the truth of the gospel and then rejecting Jesus Christ. It doesn’t say anywhere in the Bible that people are sent to hell for misunderstanding the Bible. There are many doctrines in God’s word that Christians disagree on, and that’s okay for non-salvation based doctrine, like when the rapture will occur. But on the absolute most important doctrines of the word, we must fall in line with the truth. We must believe in the one true God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. We MUST believe that Jesus Christ, the Son of almighty God who was born of a virgin and lived a perfect sinless life, died a horrible death that WE deserved, was buried according to scriptures, and arose on the third day also according to scriptures as King of kings and Lord of lords! If we don’t believe that (which is the gospel) with our whole hearts, we will damn ourselves to suffer God’s wrath forever. God is love. Hence why He gave us the chance to get into heaven and be with Him for eternity. But He is first and foremost holy, just, and righteous. There MUST be justice for the sins we commit. Jesus Christ Himself died to give us the chance to have Him suffer God’s wrath in our places. It was the reason why He came, to give us the chance to stay OUT OF HELL! If you don’t accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior, you are telling God that you will suffer His wrath for yourself. And that’s exactly what will happen. The Bible is everything that God wants us to know and everything that we need in order to understand God and the way things really are. If you’re not with Jesus Christ, you are against Him. And I’d NEVER want to be in the horrible position of being against almighty God! There are only two possible outcomes for what will happen to us when we die. Heaven or hell, period. Everything else is a lie. And the ONLY way that we can get to heaven is through Jesus Christ. He said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life; and no one comes to the Father except through Me.” So, there aren’t millions of ways into heaven. And , regardless of what anyone wants to believe, there’s absolutely nothing that we can do to help to save ourselves! Nothing! Jesus did it all, but we must accept that. All religions accept true Christianity are lies. Catholicism, Mormonism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Jehovahs Witnesses, paganism, atheism, satanism, Wiccans, spiritualism, Islam, and everything else are created by satan in order to confuse and mislead us all into damnation because he hates God and he hates us. There’s no such thing as purgatory, reincarnation, annihilation, becoming one with the universe, etc. No one can stay on earth as ghosts, you will immediately go to where your decisions have led you to spend your afterlife. Do not be deceived. Satan is busy, and he is an expert at having people damn themselves. If you want to know the truth, ask God to show you.

@@ChildOfTheOneTrueAlmightyGod Have you been baptized? Does your church teach that you need to be baptized? If there is nothing I can do to contribute to my salvation, then I must be saved because Jesus died for me and there is nothing I can do about it. Do you believe you have a really good understanding of 1 Corinthians 15? There is so much in there that I'm going to guess you will have no answer for because based on your teachings you cannot reconcile those scriptures with your church's teachings. I believe in everything you've stated except the one heaven and hell part (refer to 1 Corinthians 15:40-42).

@Pistachio-Cat I am not implying any thing I am stating a fact. That is what the Bible says

@Pistachio-Cat What make you think your opinion counts more than mine??

@Pistachio-Cat It is only your opinion that is a fact. if you what to be a thing go for it but I know who I am.

@Pistachio-Cat You are the one that says God is a lier. Jesus says we have the same Father and same God (John 20:17)

@Pistachio-Cat so your interpretation is saying that the disciples are made up of different stuff. That is why I don't believe you.

This is an interesting and confusing topic for Mormons to reconcile. Drinking caffeine is not against the word of wisdom. Drinking caffeinated tea and coffee (hot or cold) is against the word of wisdom. So is decaffeinated coffee. The actual doctrine from D&C on the word of wisdom is "hot drinks are not for the belly". It was later defined as caffeinated tea and coffee. Bizarre 😅

When I was a Mormon, I felt like it was fine to drink Mt. Dew, which is loaded with caffeine, but I didn't feel right about drinking coffee, although I REALLY wanted to. Yay, now I'm a Christian, and I drink coffee EVERY SINGLE DAY. I can't believe I missed out on those years, being deprived of coffee, which is my favorite food group.😄

Hi,@everyday tenor What do you think Joseph Smith had against coffee? It's full of antioxidants, and it's one of life's simple pleasures.

@everyday tenor Thank you! Keep it up. It's amazing that you run so far. I like the rush of energy from hard workouts. I was never a runner but a long-distance cyclist. I admire runners.

I respectfully disagree! They needed all that info and much more to understand the true depths of the deception they're in... AND they needed more knowledge about who the real Christ is. The more the merrier! God bless you!

​@@Chong760 what would you tell them?

@@tonymason9855 I would inform them the dark occult history of Joseph Smith and his followers. I also would tell them more about the deity of Jesus and what he said about hell and sin. But of course the couple had to leave, and Eric here did an amazing job nonetheless.

Nope. Because i believe no one knows who is predestined for heaven or hell only GOD knows. They can only oreach to everyone and let the Holy spirit do its work

Yes

@@How.To.Get.Saved. how can I know for sure?

Hi, @@ThisHandleIsntAvailableTryANew If you and I believe in the same gospel, saved by Grace alone and not by works, and that Jesus is God, the second member of the Trinity, and always has been God (not created), then you are my brother or sister in Christ, and it shouldn't matter to me if you don't believe in predestination, because I don't think it affects salvation. I see predestination all over the Bible, and I'm not even looking for it. I could give you a bunch of Bible verses or passages, but if you have your mind made up, it probably won't change your mind. I'll give you one or two that are in John 6. Jesus said, "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up on the last day." Later He said, "That's why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father." Sorry, they're almost identical; I wanted to give you a couple that didn't have the word predestined in them. There are more. You take care, my friend.

@@How.To.Get.Saved. Jesus Christ is my lord and savior, KJV only independent Baptist. Predestination is a slippery slope for non believers. If they don’t think they are predestined then why should they even try to get saved? Thoughts?

@@ThisHandleIsntAvailableTryANew I understand your concern as I was formerly opposed to the doctrine of election for the same reason. To the unbeliever, much of the Bible would be considered a ‘slippery slope’ and, as you probably agree with, we don’t change God’s word to appease man. There are many sins that scripture condemns that unbelievers would read about and reject the Bible’s authority on that basis. When Christ died on the cross, He said ‘it is finished.” By saying that, He was claiming that there is nothing else that we can do to attain salvation - He took on the death sentence we deserved and no additional work that we conduct can contribute to our righteousness. In short, we would never choose to pursue God given our fallen and wicked nature. Knowing that we were incapable of this, God, from eternity past, had predestined to save some as an act of grace. Without Him doing this, all would be led astray and separate from Him as scripture teaches that no one is good, not one. Finally, one similarity in the Old Testament helped me to understand this doctrine. I used to think that election was unfair and that this doctrine unfairly favoured some and not others. But, in fact, given that we are all deserving of eternal damnation, God’s willingness to save some is an act of unfathomable grace. In the Old Testament, God had set apart His chosen people (Israel) not because of their good works or their obedience (the Old Testament makes this abundantly evident), but because of His divine sovereignty and will to set apart this group of people. Likewise, His new covenant people have been chosen by God as a gift of grace and while this may be uncomfortable to non-believers, their rejection or acceptance of the gospel is ultimately ordained by the Father, who has chosen or not chosen them from eternity past based on His will and authority. Before responding, I urge you to read the following verses as I’d love to hear what your thoughts are on these: Acts 13:48, Romans 9:11-16, Ephesians 1:5-14!

No, He existed eternally with the Father and the Holy Spirit as one God before all things were created.

HE and the Father are one. Read the book please. Your sould depends on it.

@@ChildOfTheOneTrueAlmightyGod Dosen't mean they are one..One Army many people under the umbrella.

@@ChildOfTheOneTrueAlmightyGod read Hebrews chapter one explanation is there about the Godhead.

Joseph Smith created a new book says it the true teachings, what a Joke... Mormon Book and Church less than 200 yrs old why would any fool follow another doctrine,..when Our Bible Jesus state there will be false teachers and false christ ... Matthew 11:13 (KJV) For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. Everyone is a liar who brings another doctrine, that is different to the Apostles

Did you watch the video? Yes it does

@@jelly7310 I watched the video but I don't see where they showed an actual scripture from The Book of Mormon that teaches a different Gospel. Can you help me out? Sorry!

@@tonymason9855 the gospel is believing that Jesus died on the cross for our sins and rose again on the third day. Their gospel includes doing all the works you can and then you are saved by grace. Jesus tells us our works are like filthy rags to God and our salvation isn't based on works, so no one can brag. Once you are saved you will do works but they have nothing to do with your salvation. It's the same with all other religions, you must do something to be saved or elevated. Jesus Christ said all we have to do is believe in Him. The thief on the cross didn't do anything except believe Jesus and he went to paradise with Jesus. Mormons also believe Jesus was a created person and Satan's brother.

@@jelly7310 where does it say that in The Book of Mormon? Also, they take bread and water for repentance every Sunday and try to live their best lives and do good works after that to honor their baptismal and sacrament covenant from what I've seen.

@@jelly7310 oh ya and The Book of Mormon 100% says Jesus died on the cross and took upon the sins of the world. Jesus himself says it when he comes to visit the people here after his resurrection. 3 Nephi 11:11

Hi Eric, Is it okay to ask what kind of progress you see in yourself? If that's nosey, I'm sorry.

@taylor I know I'm nowhere perfect, but with God's grace, I know that I'll be with my Heavenly Father again one day.

@@ericwolford5685 Same here. I'm a total wretch, and it doesn't matter how hard I try to be better. But I see the Lord working and teaching me a lot of things like patience, and he's working on humbling me.😁

I have another question for you; I hope you don't mind. If I asked you how I could be saved, what would you tell me?

@@How.To.Get.Saved. Read Acts 2:38. From there, keep the commandments and ordinances of Christ, and you'll have your eternal salvation.

This is an interesting and confusing topic for Mormons to reconcile. Drinking caffeine is not against the word of wisdom. Drinking caffeinated tea and coffee (hot or cold) is against the word of wisdom. So is decaffeinated coffee. The actual doctrine from D&C on the word of wisdom is "hot drinks are not for the belly". It was later defined as caffeinated tea and coffee. Bizarre 😅

Nope. It isn't about that. He gave false prophecies during his time which did not come to pass. And according to Det 18 and other verses if one claims to speak for God and the thing does not come to pass it is not from GOD thus he is a false prophet.

@petermunyaradzimuzarewetu8089 ok, what about Paul giving 3 DIFFERENT and CONTRADICTING accounts of his heavenly vision? If you attack Joseph Smith, you must do the same to Paul. TO not be a HYPOCRITE!! For the record, I still believe that paul was a true disciple, and I still read and honor his words. Why attack Joseph Smith and NOT Paul for giving 3 DIFFERENT and CONTRADICTING accounts?

Deuteronomy 18:22: "When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him." You say Joseph Smith is a false prophet because the the building of the temple at Far West didn't happen in "this generation". The Lord, talking to his disciples in Matthew 24 also said regarding the second coming: "And he send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened." Well if the Lord meant his current disciples' generation, he was a false prophet according to Deuteronomy 18:22.. But what if what if he meant a future generation. That's what he meant by the way. Ergo, isn't it possible to interpret Joseph's "this generation" as a future one as well. Furthermore, under your interpretation of Deuteronomy 18:22, we would have to label Ezekiel, Isaiah and David as false prophets and teachers because things they prophesied failed to come to pass. We know Isaiah, for example, was a true prophet. Jesus even quotes Isaiah 61: "The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me", etc. Ezekiel had a failed, so called, prophecy in Ezekiel 29: "So I will make the land of Egypt a desolation in the midst of desolated lands, and her cities, in the midst of cities that are laid waste, will be desolate for forty years and I will scatter the Egyptians among the nations", etc. This never happened according to historians. Also in Isaiah 13 he prophesies against the Babylonians. He said that the Medes would slay men, women and children and that Babylon would "be as when God overthew Sodom and Gomorrah. It shall never be inhabited, neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation.". In 529 BC, Cyrus, king of the Medes and Persians, took Babylon without bloodshed. It remained inhabited for centuries afterward. So this prophecy failed too. There are many other examples, like Moses and Jeremiah. Just because a prophet gets it wrong sometimes doesn't mean he's not a prophet. Don't get sucked in by their lazy arguments. The Bible is way more complex than their single verse "gotchas!"

@@jasonmears4393 you added "Light" the text does not say that. It says "they saw no man but heard a voice". In 22 it says "they saw the light but did not understand the voice". Mybe check the English Greek interlinear to see because that verse had translation problems. I won't fault you for that. In 26 it just says the same as 22 but does not say anything regarding the voice but the other men saw the light as they fell down. So what is the contradiction in these passages. Giving elaborate information does not mean they contradict. Just like how the 4 gospel are all true but give the message from different perspectives. Thats not the same with JS . Let us not forget how he falsely translated the book of the dead as the book of Abraham. Claiming them to have been written by Abraham himself but carbon dating and scholars proved this false as the scrolls where dated at least 2nd century BC. How can we trust that man. Even mormon scholars from BYU agreed that JS falsely translated the book of the dead as the book of Abraham

@@claytonbarrett8984 in mat 24 i think you can see that he talks about 3 things from just the plain reading of the text. He was talking about the destruction of the temple, the signs of his coming and the end of the age. The destruction of the temple happened in 70ad that is the same generation of the disciples. You wld agree? And as we know the signs of the end times and of his coming have not occured yet and did not occur during the apostles time so how could we just conclude that he meant that generation. Therefore JESUS did not issue a false prophecy or make a mistake as u seem to imply. Joseph Smith prophecy on the temple he claimed that generation in the 1800 even early mormon leaders believed that generation eg pres H Kimball (25yrs latter), E Smith (1857), pres Kimball again in 1861, G.A Simth in the same year 1861, George Cannon 1864, O. Pratt 1870 in 71, 74 and 75. In 1890 edition of the doctrines of covenant page 289 said the generation won't pass untill 100 years. So thats upto 1932. And in 1935 Joseph fielding smith said that there where at least a number of pple who where still alive in that generation and had full confidence that the church would be built (pg270 of the way to perfection, salt lake city). Finally after 140 the church then agreed that it was a false prophecy (J.F. Smith answers to the gospel vol 4 p 112). Therefore smith failed the test. Even the d&c 1 :37-39 says the test of a prophet is that his prophecy must come true. Joseph also prophesied in 1838 on one of the 12 apostles to go on a mission next spring but alas dude died 3 months latter in October that same year. Man or man i could go on but this is just enough

Or it could simply be the false presuppositions of Trinitarians that cause scripture to apparently contradict itself that way. .... For instance, in context is it really "no other G/gods" period that God doesn't know. Or he doesn't know any of the other idol G/gods of the nations they manufacturered and kept misleading his people to wrongfully worship and serve? And if the grammar of the final clause of Jn. 1:1 may be rendered as "and the Word was a god." Where Jesus Christ as "the Son of God" is "a god" in heaven who certainly "knows" God the Father in the same way that all the angelic "sons of God" are actually called "gods" in scripture know the Father as well (Psa. 8:5; 97:7; 138:1 -- "elohim", "gods"). And lastly since the first portion of Jn. 1:1 contains no mention "eternal", but is again wrongly read into it by Trinitarians. "In the beginning was the Word ..." may simply mean that Christ along with the rest of the angels for that matter, were already in existence at the start of the physical universe (cf. Job 38:7). Not that they existed from eternity into the past. ... Therefore, removing the unbiblical Trinitarian assumptions, there are no actual contradictions at all in scripture when alternatively understood this way.

We didn’t get canon from the council of Nicea. Fact check your facts lol

@J H Got what wrong?

@@1ThingJesus They removed at least 23 books.

@@danielwoodruff3118 "My church"??

@@danielwoodruff3118 yes. I'm not Mormon.

What does that even mean ? My God is sovereign. Sorry about yours

@@toolegittoquit_001 My God is sovereign. Sorry about yours

@@toolegittoquit_001 "What does that even mean ?" it means what it says. Calvinist theology when carried to it's logical conclusion is Anti-Love and Anti-God.

Stop worrying about anyone else right now and focus on learning the truth in Jesus Christ. None of these silly arguments will matter one bit when you're burning in the lake of fire for ever and ever. Read the book written by God Himself, not the lie the LDS follows. Ask God to guide and protect you in understanding His word.

@@ChildOfTheOneTrueAlmightyGod Well that's rather hypocritical of you given you seem to be worrying about me and LDS.. and isn't that what Jeff is worried about? It's written Jesus hated hypocrites. I have read the Bible.. I have studied it well, in it's HISTORICAL context.. You should try that sometime, and maybe you'll understand that the Gospel that Jeff and Calvinist preach is NOT the Gospel of Christ, but of the adversary. When you take Calvinism doctrines to their logical conclusions, they make Love an Impossibility, and they fundamentally anti-God.. I mean it really begs a question why Calvinists even try to evangelize LDS, given their TULIP doctrines are pretty explicit that one's salvation is predestined and there is NOTHING you can do to effect it.. If your saved, your saved no matter what you do, and if your not saved , there nothing that will change that outcome, no matter what you do. So why evangelize, if you believe nothing you do or say will change outcome? Personally, I think we see many Calvinist attack the LDS faith because the LDS faith is very much akin to Arminianism , and since the Synod of Dort, Calvinism and Arminianism have been theological enemies.. but I also think there is a psychological issue at play.. Cognitive dissonance. This happens when someone is emotionally connected to a belief system, and when they are presented with something that their cognitive brain recognizes something doesn't square emotional beliefs.. this causes dissonance. It's a common text book symptom of Cognitive dissonance, that instead of adjusting ones emotionally held beliefs, they attack that which challenges it. So as LDS, or Arminianism, or any other theological beliefs illuminates the bankrupt nature of Calvinism theology, their reaction is to attack.. with any means possible.. Historically the means employed by Calvinists and John Calvin himself was to execute (burn a live at the stake) their opposition in the name of Jesus. Its written Calvin oversaw the murder of 53 people for not agreeing with his beliefs. And subsequently, the puritans and other Calvinist based groups murdered hundreds of thousands in the name of Christ.

@Devin Glen fantastic post! I hope that at least some of these people will seriously ponder and pray about the Plan of Salvation. As I said in an earlier reply to a post, it seems to me that these folks have a form of godliness but deny the power thereof. God has so much more in store for us than they give Him credit for.

@@michaelnicholas5587 I agree with you 100%. All of these people say that the “Mormons” aren’t saved, and yet, they presumably believe in the innocence of children. Since a small child is pure and innocent and is taught within the LDS church about Jesus, then all of these apologia people should be encouraging the LDS church, rather than fighting it, because, by their own standards and beliefs, an innocent child, who is taught about Jesus and loves him, is therefore “saved” according to his or her innocent faith. A child cannot understand the nuances of a godhead, but if Apologia presumes that the love that a child feels from God due to his or her young, pure faith is invalid, then I feel like they (apologia) needs to reevaluate their own beliefs. According to Apologia, everyone that sincerely believes in Jesus is saved. Therefore, every young and innocent child that believes in Jesus is saved. This, by their own definition and belief, makes the LDS one of the largest groups that “saves” people on the planet.