This is very interesting, and I appreciate the honesty. What doesn't seem to add up to me is that Vance paints his family and the wives as being happy, and yet quotes his mother as saying: If you never have any feelings, you'll never get hurt. So there was pain there that he may not have recognized as a child.
He was young and nieve those women were master's at hiding their REAL feelings lol lol I dont believe for one minute that there was no animosity all them women together are u kidding me lol lol lol 😆 😂 😅
It’s hard for me to grasp how he’s able to idolize his father and mothers. How does he justify his father marrying a 15 year old and a set of twin sisters?
I'm only half way through but this is fascinating. I'm not Mormon, wasn't raised Morman, but I am fascinated by religions and family histories. I really appreciate how you bring such interesting and intelligent conversations to You Tube. Thank you!
Re reading “Cult Insanity” right now after finishing “The sound of gravel” and “The favorite wife” piecing all these names together has been so interesting. This helps me see the full picture of how about started and parted.
Mormon fundamentalist are intense, smart, passionate, conflicted, loving, broken, and much more. Vance is all of those things and I can't help but feel immense compassion and kindness for him. I am not mormon but born in Idaho I am surrounded by them, the good and the bad. Mormon stories has lowered the vail for me and I am forever grateful. John Dehlin needs to write a book!!! ASAP :)
I really enjoyed the guest speaker as he shared from his heart! Although the family life was not the same for him as his Elder siblings, it is nice to see that he loved the sister wives and his father. The havoc created is painful as is reflected in his speech, but thank you for the insight provided for us non-mormons!
So often difficult to understand... This Church favors men and what they wanted in all facets.. A very self,serving, bunch... It's astonishing to grasp that many of the men totally forgot the commandment to "love thy neighbor as thyself."regarding their wives or daughters. It's still going on today within the LDS church. I too, experienced the same dismissive treatment from my ex husband, and the leaders of the ward. Power, greed, and selfishness, are incouraged here, but only if you're the right gender.
Thank god he wasn’t my history teacher! He goes off in so many directions. I’d be drunk right now if I took a drink for every time he talked of how great or handsome his father was. Answer the #@&$ question on how the AUB came about!!!! I give up.
@@pansprayers time is quite valuable actually, and it can’t be refunded….you got to admit like 85% of what he said was a tangent 😂😂 reminds me of myself… 👀
It's an oral tradition that hasn't been preserved well. He's repeating it as he has been told it. If you don't like how this is being spoon fed to you, do your own leg work.
Seems delusional to believe his fathers' polygamy family was the only happy one. One of his father’s wives left for a Jeff so how happy could she have been? Thanks for bringing us these interviews they are always so interesting.
Dang! This was a great documentary/lecture! I don’t know beans from cracked corn about the history of the Mormon Church- but this is fascinating! I really like the backstory and also tying Colonial Juarez into the story (just from recent news articles about the cartel tragedy.) I would have never put all those pieces together without the help of this video and others that are similar. Live and let live!!
Around 18:00 he keeps saying that his ancestors 'holding the keys' "violated" basic Mormon doctrine!? ..uh 'hello'?? Joseph Smiths 1843 revelation violated "basic Mormon doctrine" on marriage and eventually cost Smith his life and the end of his Church as he had built it. But even Smiths secret about face on publicly proclaimed monogamy was not out of line of his modus operandi .The LDS faith and ideology by its very explicit and implicit raison d'etre prefigures someone questioning established 'spiritual' norms and seeking 'divine guidance' that affirms the questioners doubts and then gives such one 'divine charge' to do something different. No Mr Allred, neither Smiths or his various followers who have arisen in his wake are violating "basic Mormon doctrine" in their various 'divine revelations'. They are laying claim to the pattern that Smith created and what makes any of it viable is the belief of the targeted audience. So don't put it on Smith,your grand father,father or anyone else. You,sir just simply no longer believe.
Mr Allred,as a historian, i think you realize that the descriptors you use @ 30:15 for the members of the Priesthood councils and their successors apply to Joseph Smith and the others that founded Mormonism,right?
