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0:00 Our most honest/unpopular opinions on vocals and vocalists!
0:16 The best vocalist of Little Mix HAS TO BE...
1:09 Mariah Carey vs Tori Kelly?
1:36 Ariana Grande's lower register
2:28 Chloe Bailey and her VMA's performance
3:58 Kelly Clarkson is beyond underrated!
5:33 Leona Lewis and her riffs and runs
6:16 The best belter of The Vocal Trinity is...
7:44 Demi Lovato and their vocal runs
8:24 TWICE and their encore stages... yikes?
12:40 ITZY!
13:32 Is Katy Perry a "bad" singer?
13:59 Mariah Carey - a studio singer?
15:03 Christina Aguilera's biggest vocal strength is...
15:38 Male singers need to do better!
15:49 Outro

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@sierrastar5155
@sierrastar5155 2 года назад
Agree about little mix. Perrie being the best vocalist is never an insult to the other girls as they can certainly hold their own. They ofc all have their strengths but how people are still trying to downplay perries talent I will never understand.
@riddhigupta6934
@riddhigupta6934 2 года назад
I have noticed this, when there is a post or video appreciating jade, Leigh Anne or jesy(before)... Comments are filled praising them, focusing on them specifically. But when it's about Perrie, there are always people saying "jade is also good, Leigh Anne is best, make a video on jesy".. They just can't let a post be all about Perrie, appreciating her and letting her take the limelight for once
@sierrastar5155
@sierrastar5155 2 года назад
@@riddhigupta6934 exactly. Just because Perrie used to be the most talked about doesn’t mean we should no longer talk about her now. All of the girls deserve appreciation but if it’s a comment or video about one girl then that’s completely fine and there is no need for people to constantly downplay Perrie to praise the others.
@KpopsFatherTaehyung
@KpopsFatherTaehyung 2 года назад
Exactly
@milkyteawithbiscuits3555
@milkyteawithbiscuits3555 2 года назад
Amen to that my sister it makes NO sense at all Perrie is that gurl when it comes to vocals
@sierrastar5155
@sierrastar5155 2 года назад
@@milkyteawithbiscuits3555 I hate that it leads to silly arguments though. There is a lot of sensitive people in this fandom with no actual vocal knowledge so unfortunately arguments are created very easily.
@blainem774
@blainem774 2 года назад
I've seen so many opinions on how Itzy are over hyped since their songs aren't anything extraordinary and their vocals aren't mind blowing but I believe judging by their choreographies, live vocals and stage presence they deserve all the hype they get and actually more since they really be singing LIVE with neck, back and knee breaking choreos, some groups can't even sing their own songs live while standing or sitting 🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️
@joeaaron1
@joeaaron1 2 года назад
The songs are getting better and better... The dalla dalla and wannabe , icy era was kinda childish very pg13 lol but they growing ....hope jyp don't fuck it up
@injeongtojeongin
@injeongtojeongin 2 года назад
Especially LIA's stabibility girl
@aranyamamaniolimpia7104
@aranyamamaniolimpia7104 2 года назад
@@joeaaron1 las 1eras eras fueron así pq era dirigido a adolescentes, no eran girlcrush al principio sino eran teen crush, su publico esta creciendo con ellas, ahora recien empiezan a hacer conceptp girlcrush
@KhadaJhin04
@KhadaJhin04 День назад
Apparently they aren't singing live in their recent concerts and fans are upset
@blainem774
@blainem774 День назад
@KhadaJhin04 From what I understand that there are segments in their shows where they don't sing live purposely to help break up the atmosphere and allow them to rest, especially since Lia is on hiatus, the other members are doing their own parts as well as hers which can be very exhausting. But Itzy is a very well-balanced group. In cases where they aren't singing live, the dance and performances are much stronger. They know how to balance out their strengths and weaknesses to give an overall great performance.
@linodior2649
@linodior2649 2 года назад
twice seriously need to have a better vocal coach. they don't need to hit super high notes, just need to actually hit a note
@angelinebena9675
@angelinebena9675 2 года назад
For alcohol free I think they sound pretty great tho
@othebomb1980
@othebomb1980 2 года назад
a thing I think should be taken into account is that their older encore stages were a lot better but for some reason recently (really starting with More&More) they just seem to have lost a lot of confidence when it comes to live singing on music shows and it really shows. Just hoping that they sing live for their upcoming tour because they typically have in the past but that was before this shift.
@mooblink4ever899
@mooblink4ever899 2 года назад
Ikr! They don't need to sing super high but I need them to be confident when they sing live.
@joeaaron1
@joeaaron1 2 года назад
Lol
@CleverUsername69420
@CleverUsername69420 2 года назад
@@angelinebena9675 they don’t sing live 😞
@Eman-vp6ju
@Eman-vp6ju 2 года назад
That Kelly section was MESMERIZING. She's honestly a vocal legend. What song is she singing in the second clip??
@gabrielaschwartz8729
@gabrielaschwartz8729 2 года назад
Hard to say I’m sorry
@Roguenight863
@Roguenight863 2 года назад
Dream on
@berb-182
@berb-182 2 года назад
Exes - Cain Also agree MESMERIZING indeed!! lol
@withexo5225
@withexo5225 2 года назад
You should see her live. Her vocals are underappreciated. So glad i went to her All I Ever Wanted Tour. I hope Leona Lewis does a comeback, i love her vocal color and pipes. Blackpink doesnt deserve the hate, they're better vocalists than Twice who are more popular in korea.
@Emily-wq4dn
@Emily-wq4dn 2 года назад
For real! She has always been one of my favorite vocalists plus she has such a great personality and sense of humor!
@agalivillalbaavila598
@agalivillalbaavila598 2 года назад
Itzy is not the strongest group in terms of range or technique, but their mics are ON, and I do prefer live vocals instead of "it's for a better performance"
@aintnootherfan
@aintnootherfan 2 года назад
I love them for what they're doing, it makes me appreciate so much more!
@xxlilgoldfishxx
@xxlilgoldfishxx 2 года назад
Yes their vocal ability in their debut era is already so much more stable then some other group from jyp
@TomarBoroDada
@TomarBoroDada 2 года назад
4th gen leaders ✨
@aranyamamaniolimpia7104
@aranyamamaniolimpia7104 2 года назад
Exactly, prefiero mil veces escuchar a los idols en vivo y q demuestren q pueden un buen performance con el microfono prendido, en vez de solo escuchar el audio de la canción
@garukong.
@garukong. 2 года назад
yess, it's also even better when you remember ITZY is one of the more choreo-focused groups who have very difficult, exhausting, and complicated choreos but they still have their mics on
@mikaal2021
@mikaal2021 2 года назад
He didn't really go off on the male singers enough for me 😭THEY NEED TO GET THEIR STUFF TOGETHER!!!
@dantesworld
@dantesworld 2 года назад
Facts they need to get dragged frfr lmafo
@skayles4716
@skayles4716 2 года назад
But at the same time male vocalists are really judged unfairly. Men have thicker vocal chords to work with, have to relearn basically everything post puberty and have - in general - an harder time accessing their mixed and head voice ( while female singers tend to struggle with pure chest and lows, except nobody cares much about lows ). People in the vocal nerds communities are especially critical of tenors for struggling with their head voice when - though they have higher and lighter voice - they have the hardest time reclaiming their mixed and head voice out of all male fachs. Thicker vocal tracts also a lot harder for men to get used to giving the adequate amount of force for riffing and running. While most men regardless of fach can produce a head voice up to A5 - D6, most of us really struggle to find the right coordination to break the F5-G#5 point, because we're naturally engaging in a lot more TA action than women do and thus struggle to allow the CT muscles to do their work. But then people are still gonna give you flack for not being able to replicate Ariana's Eb6s. Fore more or less the same reasons, people expect male singers to be phrasing verses in the F4-A4 range and belting choruses in the Bb4 - Eb5 range like the girls do ( and most of them end up doing just that and giving you thin vocals as a consequence ) when even high tenors should realistically stay in the D4 - F4 range most of the time, and having their climaxes in the G#4 - B4 range. A lot of male artists are just coasting, true, but there are also a lot of them going HARD and unnoticed because y'all are judging them to females standards. Like I see people constantly trashing on Justin Bieber's vocals, but even if he can be thin at times, the dude is often phrasing in the G4-Bb4 area, which is no small feat. This very channel ( no offense, I like the videos, just aknowledging the bias ) also somewhat clowns some of his runs, to then praise worse runs coming out of a female singer, even though _it should be harder for Justin to execute them_. And then very few people in the vocal nerds communities take the time to appreciate some good Shawn Mendes, Justin Bieber, The Weeknd, Michael Bublé, John Legend, Zayn Malik, Chris Brown, Jason Derulo, Usher, Bruno Mars, Justin Timberlake, Avant, Ney-Yo or Treyz Songs vocals... y'all don't even *take interest* in the plethora of good male singers out there, and then have the AUDACITY to clown them every time they crack.
@dantesworld
@dantesworld 2 года назад
@@skayles4716 you made some great points! I personally was talking about the quality of music not vocal abilities. Their music just doesn’t hit like it should nowadays. But you are 100% right on the judgement of the male vocals
@skayles4716
@skayles4716 2 года назад
@@dantesworld Pop music's main market is young girl, so being a handsome male individual just helps coasting more easily. On the other hand when you have : > the bias towards female voices > the easier marketability ( even for mediocre products ) > the masculine image to somewhat uphold ( which can be limiting for artistry ) being limiting factors on the quality of male singer's pop projects. Why would your label pump money in your art if they get better results for pumping it in marketing ? Why would the good producers fight to be on your records if even the niche population of musically inclined people isn't gonna appreciate how production and vocals complement themselves ? Why would the good designers make real efforts for your aesthetic if they are gonna be creatively limited compared to what they could do with women ? Sadly, the business is harder on women, but the art is harder on men. In the end everyone loses :(
@skayles4716
@skayles4716 2 года назад
@@thatkidjerm There's a few out there. You've got Michael Bublé and John Legend, the lead singer for Coldplay, Troye Sivan and if you don't mind a throwback, Luther Vandross and Frank Sinatra both have nice catalogs. But yeah most of the male singers are light tenors ( tho as a light tenor myself I'm not complaining ).
@joshuarexrode8533
@joshuarexrode8533 2 года назад
I love that you appreciate Kelly Clarkson so much! She really is an underrated technician. Her versatility is amazing and her tone is magical!
@TheEarthRealm
@TheEarthRealm Год назад
💯💯💯💯💯
@Sammy-jh6fz
@Sammy-jh6fz 2 года назад
Kelly Clarkson is way too underrated as a Vocalist!!! She's a vocal legend who gets better and better with age!! She's a very well-rounded vocalist and her Versatility is just unmatched!!!❤️🔥
@derinela05
@derinela05 2 года назад
Definitely agree with the one about itzy. A lot of kpop stans like to use difficult choreographies as an excuse for idols lip-syncing and itzy is proof that live singing is possible even with some of the hardest choreographies in kpop. People need to appreciate them more!!
@oliverwetl8328
@oliverwetl8328 2 года назад
Totally agree with u. Idols like Itzy (also Dreamcatcher pwp) need so much more appreciation instead of hate. life vocals >>>>>> lip synched.
@user-ib1is7ny7r
@user-ib1is7ny7r Год назад
the thing is itzy sings live but they aren’t going to sound 100% like the studio version because, they’re human. and kpop fans want perfect vocals with perfect dancing so they can brag about their faves. so the moment every kpop act starts singing fully live they’re bound to make mistakes (which I fully welcome, I prefer those performances) but fans will not be so lenient
@KpopsFatherTaehyung
@KpopsFatherTaehyung 2 года назад
SAY ITTTTT!!!!! Perrie being the best vocalist of little mix is NOT an insult to the other girls, it is just a recognition to her talent. “Over sensitive fans” exactly those are the only ones who deny it. I’m sick of people acting like her being the best vocalist is a biased opinion rather than an acknowledged fact.
@grandeflamesbutera3949
@grandeflamesbutera3949 2 года назад
Idk how its biased when U can literally hear her technique is more worked on than Leigh Anne & Jade. Are the other girls really good??? Yes but Perrie has spent more time on her technique. Idk people need to stop getting in their feelings when it comes to girl groups
@KpopsFatherTaehyung
@KpopsFatherTaehyung 2 года назад
@@grandeflamesbutera3949 exactly. If little mix were a kpop group with labels such as “perrie: main vocalist. Leigh anne and jade: lead vocalists” people would’t dare argue. But they like to live in a bit of a delusion saying they’re all equally good when that’s just not true. In EVERY group there is the best, as simple as that.
@ghamilton44
@ghamilton44 2 года назад
@@AlwaysLM2011 just because some people like your comment doesn't mean most people agree with you. there are a lot of non-mixers that follow the girls and are not on youtube. anyway, it's your right to think that perrie isn't the best vocalist in the group...
@sakshimaheshwari8683
@sakshimaheshwari8683 2 года назад
While that is definitely true and Perrie's skills should be acknowledged, I understand why fans wouldn't want to paint her as 'the best vocalist'. It has been done way too many times before and it never ended well. (Camila - Although Dinah is the best vocalist in 5H, Beyonce, Zayn and later Harry) Perrie, Jade and Leigh-Anne are undeniably close but I think the fans are just protective of their friendship. It does get too much sometimes. The problem arises when people are like, "Oh my goodness, she is so good! I don't understand why she has to be in a band when she can be a solo artist with her skills." That is rude and disrespectful to the other girls and Perrie herself.
@KpopsFatherTaehyung
@KpopsFatherTaehyung 2 года назад
@@AlwaysLM2011 but the thing that i’m trying to say without sounding offensive is: perrie being the best vocalist is not an opinion, it’s a fact. We can sit here, sugar coat, beat around the bush and stuff, but it wouldn’t change the fact that she has the best technique in general, and THATS OKAY! That does NOT mean she has to be your favorite, that does not mean she has to be the lead singer, we are JUST recognizing her talent because as he said, it is disrespectful to undermine her talents just because you are sensitive. Her being the best vocalist does not delete leigh anne and jade’s talents, they are also incredible vocalists as well, we are just recognizing the FACT (one that was backed up with evidence and is very much proven to be true) that perrie is the best vocalist of the group.
@danidkg4071
@danidkg4071 2 года назад
i love twice and they are definitely talented, but i agree about the encore stages. their managers really need to let them sing live more and practice vocal and breath stability during performances
@aranyamamaniolimpia7104
@aranyamamaniolimpia7104 2 года назад
No solo su estabilidad sino tambien que generen tecnicas vocales q sean sanas, pq si siguen así en el futuro les va a pasar factura, a Momo la le esta pasando factura
@aldrenenenenen_4089
@aldrenenenenen_4089 2 года назад
Their encore stages were better until more and more happened. Have you even watched their older stages??? Or even their radio performances. Plus the alcohol free one was actually decent.
@hotsexyangel
@hotsexyangel 2 года назад
Yes! JYP is obsessed with the “baby voice” especially with momo... it’s not good for their vocals and it’s overshadowing their true talent
@jendayiKa
@jendayiKa Год назад
Nope!!!
@mariohara5568
@mariohara5568 Год назад
Even so the encore is just for fun so I don’t know why we worry about it bc they always sound amazing in concerts live anyways
@aemjay7225
@aemjay7225 2 года назад
The thing with Mariah's agility is that she actually makes you believe all the runs & riffs that she does are actually part of the song. It's not there for the sake of being extras but rather serving some purposes. That's how accurate she is. For instance, try singing Always Be My Baby in a straight tone it's gonna feel so wrong without the riffs & runs. The same cannot be said for other singers.
@mohamadfirdausbinmat2577
@mohamadfirdausbinmat2577 2 года назад
The same could also be said about Tori Kelly and JoJo especially Tori. Don't make it seem as if she's the only one who has such musicality. Not denying that Mariah is a genius at that but she's not the only one deserving of that compliment.
@aemjay7225
@aemjay7225 2 года назад
@@mohamadfirdausbinmat2577 You must have misunderstood my comment. I didn't say or intend to make it like she's the only one. I would have mentioned names if I wanted to direct the comment in that manner. But I do understand that bringing down other singers doesn't make the one that we prefer any better🤷 At the end of the day, it's down to our own preferences. I like how Mariah does it musically because to me it's just nice nothing over the top irritating. Of course many others are able to do it too but in my opinion not as pleasing to my ears as Mariah. Again, personal preferences and opinions. And you absolutely have the same exact discretion to prefer yours just like I do. If you think Kelly and Jojo have done a good job too, please make a new comment of your own instead of firing at mine.
@audreyf9092
@audreyf9092 2 года назад
@@mohamadfirdausbinmat2577 took that personally huh ?
@raaid22
@raaid22 2 года назад
Mariah's runs add to the foundation of the song. I don't know Tori's entire catalog but from what I have heard her runs are just embellishments. That could be removed without changing much of the song.
@aemjay7225
@aemjay7225 2 года назад
@@raaid22 True👍 That's what I meant. It's an integral part of her songs which is not just there for showing off. Take it away and the songs will sound quite odd. Just look at how sometimes Mariah herself skips her runs live and suddenly the song she's singing doesn't sound right anymore.
@soaribb32
@soaribb32 2 года назад
Kelly sounds like she's in her prime now. Which is pretty much when it should be, in the 30's.
@laramiaizz
@laramiaizz 2 года назад
But she regressed..definitely not her prime. She was better when she was younger..
@soaribb32
@soaribb32 2 года назад
@@laramiaizz I don't think so. She's only rapsy now cuz her support was shaky before and she strained a lot but technically, it's much better now. The belts sound open, the conected registers...
@aaronnewman7573
@aaronnewman7573 2 года назад
@@soaribb32 i agree
@kienmaple
@kienmaple 2 года назад
That's because Mariah's songs are so intricately mixed and layerd that it's almost impossible to replicate live. She can sing a song straight just as well.
@nikolaikongslev8023
@nikolaikongslev8023 2 года назад
Mariah DOES lip-synch quite often - But I still don’t think she gets enough credit for the fact that MOST of her entire sets are live ( Even though claimed lip-synch … Just because they sound good) 💀❤️❤️❤️❤️ Especially recent years, she’s been live singing quite a lot on her Caution tour fx. And many attempts of studio vocals and some of her most popular live ad-libs! ❤️
@samoanbiscuit8795
@samoanbiscuit8795 2 года назад
Even Mariah on stage today could smoke a lot of singers in the game today.
@martellelijah9745
@martellelijah9745 2 года назад
@electricxcircus studio is actually the best for every singers lol since you can try until you satisfied, the only reason you can do live better than studio is when your technic is way superior than the time you recorded that song, so you can improvise more live confidently, and Mariah has a lot of live better than studio when she was 26, she was on her peak, she improvised so many high notes in her earlier songs.
@THEE.apples
@THEE.apples 2 года назад
Most of her set is not live lol Literally almost every climax of each song is lipped.
@nikolaikongslev8023
@nikolaikongslev8023 2 года назад
You can literally hear the change in tone when it’s lipped - And most of the concerts I’ve been to with her, she’s had the same tone through the most of the concerts. But also, as long as the concert is great and coherent.. as in her lip-synching is minimal and subtle.. I’m fine, all the way! I just want a great experience! And if at least a little live singing, is present then I can’t ask for more.. ❤️❤️ ( generally speaking, I do prefer whole live sets and so on, tho)
@shadowcArey
@shadowcArey 2 года назад
@@THEE.apples Climaxes≠the whole songs
@varunravi27
@varunravi27 2 года назад
Ariana's lows are actually very strong for a soprano (she is able to project consistently down to F3, and sometimes down to Eb3/E3, with consistency down to F#3). Very few sopranos in the industry beat her in the lower register (these include and are limited to: Aretha Franklin, Mariah Carey, Celine Dion, Taylor Swift, Whitney Houston, Tori Kelly and Patti LaBelle)
@juanestebanrendongonzalez4408
@juanestebanrendongonzalez4408 2 года назад
Her low notes are good, but definitely not strong when she just can keep them for less than 4 seconds
@dancanvocals
@dancanvocals 2 года назад
She's had some very good moments, but for the most part her lows are just good. There are quite a few other sopranos with stronger and more consistent lows, like Tori Kelly and Jessie J for example. Her tone down there is really nice though 🔥
@joanquintero4670
@joanquintero4670 2 года назад
@@dancanvocals those sopranos are not strictly the same tessitura than Ariana's and they don't have Ariana's ease in the upper registers
@soaribb32
@soaribb32 2 года назад
Isn't Mariah a mezzo?
@briannaaudain928
@briannaaudain928 2 года назад
@@dancanvocals I don't think those singers have the same tessitura as ariana I could be wrong
@glossiergloss4293
@glossiergloss4293 2 года назад
Man I really wanna see what happens if Mariah and Tori sang together. Tori tends to hold WAY BACK when she’s singing with someone not as vocally strong as her but with Mariah, it should be interesting 😭 I wish Mariah would have Tori as part of her Christmas special this year, Tori’s Christmas album is probably the best since Mariah’s and that’s coming from an unbiased view.
@laramiaizz
@laramiaizz 2 года назад
She really went all out when she sang with JoJo. Even though JoJo is the better vocalist (overall) but Tori shone more coz she really went for it..
@glossiergloss4293
@glossiergloss4293 2 года назад
@@laramiaizz Though I disagree with JoJo being the better vocalist (I think they’re on par or Tori being better most of the time and more consistent), it’s true that that was one of the few times she didn’t hold back. I would add in the Kelly Clarkson duet and Avery Wilson IG Live too. I hope she starts working more with people at her vocal level so she’s not restricted 😭
@laramiaizz
@laramiaizz 2 года назад
@@glossiergloss4293 JoJo is the better belter even though she is a mezzo and Tori is a light lyric. She has more support and resonant up there. And being a mezzo, it's not a suprise her lows are better. Oh and, her head voice is tremendously better than Tori's..
@Jim-mw8xw
@Jim-mw8xw 2 года назад
@@laramiaizz true, both are really close to each other tbh, but i do notice jojo tends to have some issues with pitch accuracy. also jojo can be very chesty in her belts while tori can be too heady (especially on her higher belts), hope they can find a better balance but both truly the bests of this generation whew
@danjuliano
@danjuliano 2 года назад
@@laramiaizz honestly, both of these gurls almost support the same notes, nowadays Tori is free on her E5, and especially when she performed on her live Christmas Session, she sounded free at F#5 sometimes, but yup, Jojo is more consistent
@nl887
@nl887 2 года назад
Agree with alot of them. Personally I dont understand the actual point of training sometimes in kpop because lots of kpop idols that debut are actually bad singers or majority of the time lipsync or use extremely loud backtrack like if your going to be a singer and debut at least have a good voice and sing live majority of the time.
@hectormsk9463
@hectormsk9463 2 года назад
that is something that i have always been asking myself... anywho i guess they have a lot of areas to work on before debuting...
@annielovesmusic6348
@annielovesmusic6348 2 года назад
Yeah like where do they pick these trainees.
@jwbeyes665
@jwbeyes665 2 года назад
Ikr they be appearently training 7 days a week 12 hours a day and still cannot hold a note. Like what are you even Training
@nl887
@nl887 2 года назад
@@annielovesmusic6348 exactly I remember watching girls planet and some of the trainees were terrible I even spoke about it with my friends saying imagine if they were auditioning on a western tv show they would be denied straight away
@nl887
@nl887 2 года назад
@@jwbeyes665 exactly like I get singing and dancing together is hard but lots of singers can do it without years of training.
@samoanbiscuit8795
@samoanbiscuit8795 2 года назад
Re: Tori vs Mariah’s riffs and runs. Speed and agility aren’t quite the same thing. While Tori definitely can riff faster, I don’t think she covers quite the same range that Mariah has with some of her riffs, or is as inventive. Mariah is influenced not just by gospel and R&B but also jazz and opera. Calling Mariah a “studio singer” is harsh because even outside the studio most of her peers couldn’t do what she does on the stage live, let alone in the studio. It’s kind of implying she can’t sing or perform at all outside the studio, when we all know that’s not true. I’ve yet to hear a credible cover of so many of her songs, even some old classics from her debut era like Vision of Love (which she has never lip synced) and Love Takes Time. It doesn’t help that maybe only two or three people can whistle nearly as well as she can AND sing well in their normal registers.
@jamiekane3323
@jamiekane3323 2 года назад
Literally no one could. He’s a pressed Fighter, though…are we surprised
@whip1720
@whip1720 2 года назад
You guys need to understand how agility works Tory is fast but you can hear her notes when the notes are so fast they disappear that’s on a whole other level only ones I’ve heard have that are beyonce and mariah
@Ryan_K535
@Ryan_K535 2 года назад
Absolutely agree. Amazingly put together!
@aintnootherfan
@aintnootherfan 2 года назад
I actually think Tori's musicality is at least somewhat comparable to Mariah. I would never compare a singer like JoJo, who is quick and precise, but lacks in musicality and creativity to Mariah, but Tori is a different case. Being a "studio singer" has nothing to do with how your peers perform in comparison to you. Mariah is still great, but lambs know best that there are many vocal moments she hasn't recreated live. Her 2014 album was an absolute peak of that but there are many moments before that as well. If you consistently record difficult, demanding vocals in the studio which you don't recreate or most of the time, don't even attempt live then being called a "studio singer" is kinda expected. What cannot be forgotten is that Mariah has always been a great live singer nonetheless. I also think Caution was a step in the right direction in terms of adjusting the material to her current consistent voice.
@cr3413
@cr3413 2 года назад
This Fighter needs to give it up 💀 Mariah often exceeded her recordings in the 90s and to imply that Tori Kelly shared her musicality makes it apparent that you’re trying to discredit Mariah
@heitorsgarbi7134
@heitorsgarbi7134 2 года назад
Mariah being a "studio singer" is true. She built the songs to be rich in textures, melodies and experimental positions of her instrument. She create music to be appreciated in the way it was thought, produced, and basically "done" in the studio. That's why her material is nearly impossible to sing in live sets for her and FUNDAMENTALLY impossible for others to sing.
@vocalslover2131
@vocalslover2131 2 года назад
Her live vocals in her prime are untouchable for anyone. After the prime years every singer can be considered a "studio singer". Nobody replicate the studio vocals after the prime years especially if they are complex like Mariah's. This video is just an excuse to belittle a legendary vocalist, this speech could be done for any singer.
@heitorsgarbi7134
@heitorsgarbi7134 2 года назад
@@vocalslover2131 YAAASSS!!! Technically she's a literal PRO, I mean, her material are not concepted to be performed live, never been. I called her "studio singer" because most of her material doesn't actually work live without adaptations. Adaptations she often don't pay attention to rearrange. Basically, it's not and never been her purpose to be a "performer". Songs like Babydoll, Bliss, Circles, Joyride and etc. show that perfectly.
@odumosuolusegun2781
@odumosuolusegun2781 2 года назад
@@vocalslover2131 still here..clap for yourself.
@tammythrillz9952
@tammythrillz9952 2 года назад
That's nothing to be proud of actually if she can't recreate those Iconic vocals live y'all just trippin'😭😂😂
@zayatamburelli5322
@zayatamburelli5322 2 года назад
@@tammythrillz9952 but she has... Especially in her prime. I think they're referring to her layering on layering vocals that are impossible to do all exactly at once.
@tylerhackner9731
@tylerhackner9731 2 года назад
Tbh I agree that the best belter was Whitney, tho they’re all great obviously lol. Also I love Mariah of course, but I understand why people call her a studio singer, even if harsh. She has plenty of great live performances
@joybaleka3681
@joybaleka3681 2 года назад
I would like to believe this but I somehow feel like Mariah’s songs are too difficult to sing consistently and be able to finish show after show.
@honestperson3042
@honestperson3042 2 года назад
People can't match Mariah's live vocals in her prime not even in studio haha . People talk about her studio vocals but let's talk about her live vocals in her prime, her skills, who can replicate them? Can anyone do everything Mariah could do with her voice? Has anyone ever shown it? Nobody. The only vocalist who can't be touched, just search for covers : Emotions, Can't let go, If It's over, Vanishing, Vision of love, nobody even comes close to singing her songs with the same arrangement of her live performances and with a great technique. Mariah's best live performances are litterally the higher standard vocally in mainstream music. Studio singer lol, only envy for a vocalist AND artist with too much talent compared to her peers
@galileerwamiye3669
@galileerwamiye3669 2 года назад
@@honestperson3042 of all the languages that exist you chose to speak facts!!
@shinichikudo2669
@shinichikudo2669 2 года назад
@@honestperson3042 And Mariah's tone is too special. They can't even cover her C5
@krissy9128
@krissy9128 2 года назад
@@honestperson3042 exactly...no matter the cover you come across it's just not the same. They are unable to match the arrangement of the studio or Live MC performances. Doesn't matter how technically good the singer is..it's just not the same. MC's vocal standards are soooo high. Also, these nodules make Mariah a lot more inconsistent than she would have been without it. Trust me if it weren't for these nodules and overwork, no one would touch Mariah today...hell, she has trouble in her upper belting range and still no one touches Mariah. Her cords are fragile and tire quickly...it's not made to do show, after show, after show...people need to understand this.
@sparrowwilson4514
@sparrowwilson4514 2 года назад
Agree. Tori Kelly’s agility is legendary. Ariana’s lower register is really good, considering she is soprano, but she has said it is the first part she loses when she is sick or her voice is compromised.
@Solo-vh9fm
@Solo-vh9fm 2 года назад
I think Leona’s agility going unnoticed is just because the use is subtle rather than showy. It’s one of the two things (the other being the way she uses her head voice) where I can hear an obvious (Daydream/Music Box era) Mariah influence. Edit: in fact before I knew Mariah’s music I actually used to think Leona Lewis was the one singing Fantasy whenever I heard it being played somewhere or another. Edit 2: I couldn’t quite find the clip for the Mariah interview about her keys (other than I knew it was in the rainbow era) but I do remember her also saying something similar about You Don’t Know What To Do and she said something “I don’t want to make music that will make you sleep” Edit 3: found the rainbow clip ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Gf44GGf7Y3Q.html
@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024
@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024 2 года назад
Leona is one of the best vocalist ever. 😩
@avocadotortilla746
@avocadotortilla746 2 года назад
YES ABOUT DEMI. Their improvement is very noticeable. A problematic but talented vocalist 😭
@annaelizabethsanabio3841
@annaelizabethsanabio3841 2 года назад
Why problematic?
@avocadotortilla746
@avocadotortilla746 2 года назад
@@annaelizabethsanabio3841 I mean, Demi is a problematic persob
@Dimyixx
@Dimyixx 2 года назад
@@avocadotortilla746 wht did Demi do?
@avocadotortilla746
@avocadotortilla746 2 года назад
@@Dimyixx They're pretty problematic u know. From trying to cancel a froyo shop to saying "alien" is offensive. Their new show is also weird. I'm sorry.
@YohananArser
@YohananArser 2 года назад
@@avocadotortilla746 when they said that "aliens" was an offensive term, they were talking about when it was used to talk about inmigrants, who often are called "aliens" in the us btw sorry for the bad english, im mexican lol
@lebomjaja
@lebomjaja 2 года назад
I love Tori's riffs and runs she does have a better agility in term of speed, her runs most of the time are predictible to me, not in a bad way because I love her choices and creativity but Mariah...every song i heard her blows me away because who tf would think of that melody or run like it's sooooo tasteful, it's so unpredictable
@erpmo3326
@erpmo3326 2 года назад
This! Thank you. Tori vocal Runs are just scaling Mariah be receiving revelations with her vocal runs
@mooblink4ever899
@mooblink4ever899 2 года назад
@@erpmo3326 just scaling??? I can do Mariah's but it's impossible for me to do it like Tori 🥲💀
@erpmo3326
@erpmo3326 2 года назад
@@mooblink4ever899 do lead the way✋😌 Torri notes be 9 notes max🤣
@erpmo3326
@erpmo3326 2 года назад
@@mooblink4ever899 is this you when you lie? Yikes, sis it's not a good look
@mooblink4ever899
@mooblink4ever899 2 года назад
@@erpmo3326 please 💀
@AB-yk2pq
@AB-yk2pq 2 года назад
Okay but I have to praise: Tzuyu for working hard and always singing on Encores, she was a weak vocalist in Sixteen but I think she's improved a lot. Jihyo, Jeongyeon and Nayeon (even trough she had couple misses) for giving good vocals on Encores even if songs are sometimes not their range (I can't stop me era) and for always having that positive energy on stage.
@grandeflamesbutera3949
@grandeflamesbutera3949 2 года назад
I love Chloe but that song is so tired out now but I’m loving that she is getting some soloist moments. Hopefully she releases more songs that isn’t just Have Mercy plus in Global Citizens she adlibbed a Full HV C#6 and that impresses me!!!
@achieachie911
@achieachie911 2 года назад
Hate that song🥴 Not the stuff I was expecting from a vocal and producing giant like her tbh. Sounds like something one of these new rap girls would sing
@alexvena8424
@alexvena8424 2 года назад
Well there's still a remix on the way...
@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024
@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024 2 года назад
It isn’t played out. Y’all doing WAY too much.
@grandeflamesbutera3949
@grandeflamesbutera3949 2 года назад
@@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024 played out and being tired out aren’t the same thing. Lol
@JeremiahGarcia16
@JeremiahGarcia16 2 года назад
She’s releasing a solo album…catch up
@alonzoclarkston1781
@alonzoclarkston1781 2 года назад
Mariah did enough in the 90s and let’s not forget that all of her songs are hard asf✍🏼and Tori is not better than Mariah when it comes to riffs and runs
@miabella5915
@miabella5915 2 года назад
No one said Tori was better. He said she’s up there with her
@lorie_yeobo
@lorie_yeobo 2 года назад
Loved the video, however, do need to point out some things about Twice. As a longtime Kpop fan (almost 10 years), it is horrible how nasty Korean neitzens can be. The k-netz killed Twice’s confidence when it comes to singing live. In their earlier years, like ITZY, Twice would sing live and sound decent (I’m not the vocal coach here, don’t take my word). The constant backlash killed them. That’s why they look so scared during their encores. You can look at Twice’s behind the scenes or V-Live videos to hear the members singing live and sounding a lot more comfortable. Also, encore stages have changed. Encores used be a time for fan service where the idols would do funny challenges. Now, they have to sing. It’s not fun anymore. That being said, Twice is a senior group in Kpop, 6 years. With six years, there hasn’t been noticeable changes in their vocals to fans. It’s disappointing. They need to work on their vocals and confidence.
@Sylvaincks
@Sylvaincks 2 года назад
Yeah, until 2018 they would always perform on Sketchbook
@user-rc1sd5gx8w
@user-rc1sd5gx8w 2 года назад
I agree that most in Twice are average vocalists except when it comes to Jihyo. Seeing how she was during pre-debut & debut, she is (or at least was) a very good vocalist. Not amazing but definitely good enough to be the main vocalist. Her technique is a little over average, but she has her own style of singing and has really good emotional delivery. Her versatility is also quite good too. Vocal technique is the most important and it needs to be at least decent no matter what, but there are other things that can make you a good or better singer. The only thing Jihyo really lacks is confidence, otherwise she would be a great singer. Nayeon & Jeongyeon would be good, & the rest of twice would be decent if they all had confidence and had continued improving. I hate knetz so much.
@LittleMix2011-Always
@LittleMix2011-Always 2 года назад
This video is one of my favorite videos you have ever done !!! Part 2 and Part 3 of this !!! Awesome 👏🏽 job man - I agree with all of these points ‼️
@daruleos
@daruleos 2 года назад
tori's runs are fcking amazing i just sometimes think they're not that necessary. mariah is better at controling her naturally agile voice, is like tori cant help but run all the time hahah
@wthjavi
@wthjavi 2 года назад
so it’s only cute when mariah does it ?
@Roguenight863
@Roguenight863 2 года назад
Translation: I prefer Mariah. Why can't you just say it....?
@daruleos
@daruleos 2 года назад
@@wthjavi not at all. tori's ability to come up with creative runs in split senconds is mind blowing
@daruleos
@daruleos 2 года назад
@@Roguenight863 i wanted to elaborate on why i prefer mariah's while still aknwoledging that tori has an amazing agility
@Roguenight863
@Roguenight863 2 года назад
@@daruleos ....alright
@danielalozovska2050
@danielalozovska2050 Год назад
Whitney - damn, what a voice! Natural talent combined with hard work gave us a magical vocalist. Rest in peace, dear.
@soaribb32
@soaribb32 2 года назад
Mariah is more creative with her runs in my opinion, her musicality is the most impressive thing about her runs.
@atarahashirazi1941
@atarahashirazi1941 Год назад
This is it. Christina has crazy runs but the more you listen the more similar they sound. Keke Wyatt does incredible with agility and strength of her runs and ad libs,but musically, Mariach is just phenomenal.
@daytonsouthall1137
@daytonsouthall1137 2 года назад
I don’t think there’s a “best” singer out there.
@cyn341
@cyn341 2 года назад
yup! it’s all personal taste really
@shemajdgantt5732
@shemajdgantt5732 2 года назад
Clearly you havent heard my rendition of happy birthday
@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024
@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024 2 года назад
Well nobody cares what you think. 💀 Yt folks always trying ALM something.
@shemajdgantt5732
@shemajdgantt5732 2 года назад
@@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024 that aint got anything to do with this. As black ppl, we stay talkin bout "Mariah vs. Whitney". Having a favorite or thinking someone is the best is just an opinion. The fact lies in the statement that they are generationally talented vocalists.
@edwinjlr1345
@edwinjlr1345 2 года назад
I have a few opinions even though no one asked for them: Currently, there's no popular singer that can match Tori Kelly's tastes for melismas and runs. She doesn't overdo them, she has superb pitch control, and she also somehow manages to intertwine them into the melodies of the song. No one comes close. NO ONE. Mariah Carey and Christina Aguilera have perfect voices for jazz. They should sing more jazz. Their lower-registers while strong as hell, aren't barely used at all in their songs. Christina goes for the strain, and Mariah goes for falsetto. Sing jazz! Keep it low, warm, soft, and jazzy. I would a 100% listen to whatever full jazz albums they release. Most Kpop "singers" are dancers and performers first, singers second. It's quite hard to find a group or soloist that truly delivers an A-tier performance on every department. The groups and singers that used to belt it out are almost all disbanded, or their popularity doesn't keep rising due to being too skilled when compared to their shiny co-workers. It's a shame, but unfortunately, most of them can't sing. Sorry.
@honestperson3042
@honestperson3042 2 года назад
Lower register barely used ? Yes you really know Mariah . Mariah has the most versatile voice and can sing everything, in her career she has shown that she can sing any genre and more vocal styles than any other singer. She definitely use every register known to man, she use all her range not only falsetto, not true anyway but you clearly know only the Mariah of the last few years
@edwinjlr1345
@edwinjlr1345 2 года назад
@@honestperson3042 I don't know her, and kudos to you for knowing her. I don't care for modern-Mariah at all precisely due to how much falsetto she uses. Old-school Mariah used her entire range, specially her lower range in the beginning of her songs. Present-day Mariah whispers far too much for my personal tastes, and while she dabbles every now and then into her lower-register, she sings most of the songs in her whispy falsetto. Mariah WAS one of the best singers known to man during her prime, but her sacred-cow days are long gone. It's ok to recognize that. Time to let the newer generations shine. So hostile for no reason whatsoever.
@musicboxtourmsg
@musicboxtourmsg 2 года назад
@@edwinjlr1345 if you don’t know her, probably shouldn’t hold your ignorant opinion with high regard as it could be wrong. “She was the best” blah blah it’s so transparent at this point. The new girls have all the room in the world to shine but they ain’t touching the legends.
@minivan1680
@minivan1680 2 года назад
I agree 100% about the kpop singers. They really aren't vocalists, and people overhype them to no end. They're not great.
@edwinjlr1345
@edwinjlr1345 2 года назад
@@musicboxtourmsg This is a video of unpopular opinions, not facts or circle-jerks. If you disagree, move along or state your opinion as to why you disagree. My opinion is my opinion, and your opinion is your opinion. I don't get how I'm ignorant for pointing out an obvious observation that a lot of people can see with the records she has put out past the 2000s, specially nowadays-Mariah. We're talking about 2021, not the 90s. How am I wrong in saying "she was the best"? Are you saying is low-hanging fruit? I mean, but it's still true, or is it not? Mariah has been singing for over 30 YEARS! Yes, she's a legend and her music will continue to inspire thousands of singers for years, and touch millions of souls every single day, but her prime days are over. She established herself as one of the best singers of our time, but there's not much she can do now if we compare her to her legendary times. I never once demeaned her or reduced her to nothing. I simply stated that her current voice would sound amazing in jazz music because she could showcase her robust lower range that she used to display in the 90s. She has acquired more warmth, weight and huskiness that could be perfect for jazz, but instead, she goes for the higher a/o falsetto ranges, which is also true if we listen to the last few albums she has released. If we compare her newer material to her 90s vocal arrangements, we can also hear the lack of lower-register singing in that she used to explode during her prime-days that set her apart even more from her contemporaries. You could say that her lower-register is "barely used" in her songs, unless you count the background singing, the melody adlibs, or the vocal layering; regardless, it's under-utilized, which is a shame because her lower register is almost unmatched. I hope this provided a clear explanation.
@user-bj7em4fv1p
@user-bj7em4fv1p 2 года назад
Singing is also a lot about your instrument. Perrie has an amazing instrument that’s simply more powerful than Leigh and Jade’s. And I say this as someone who loves Leigh the most
@aintnootherfan
@aintnootherfan 2 года назад
Leigh-Anne is my favorite as well!
@chaelan6014
@chaelan6014 2 года назад
what I can say about mariah is that she knows her limits but she also knows that she can hit the same notes, just not as easy or as clean as she'd like to, and her set list has always been that of a throwback to her best songs in the 90's and 2000's. If she sang songs from caution more, she would've had no problems at all. She's also been trashed so harshly with the smallest fails and was constantly written off, which probably had a toll on her confidence and which subsequently affected her singing that sounds like she has a bit of discomfort. She's way more willing to take risks at home and do some belting at home, evident from this quarantine. She has an image of a vocalist that she has to preserve and people has been trying to take her down, but let's see in the next era what she has to offer again
@mohamedhaikal829
@mohamedhaikal829 Год назад
All those live performances in her prime are just validation that she can sing.But because the audience put too much expectation on her it take a toll on her confidence for being a rated high end vocalist along with Whitney Celine in her time.Look at her amazing acapellas without any audience.Shes so confortable
@speedycomet1692
@speedycomet1692 2 года назад
I loved this video! Part 2 for sure I'm down. I also love the Tori Kelly Ariana Leona Blackpink and Katy appreciation
@joshua2764
@joshua2764 2 года назад
Finally someone gives Katy her flowers. Also can we talk bout Taylor's lower register?
@CleverUsername69420
@CleverUsername69420 2 года назад
This! Her lows are so effortless! My soprano ass could never!
@Nika-zt1sc
@Nika-zt1sc 2 года назад
Blackpink stability as a vocal group is underrated, their main rapper can sing pretty cool too
@TomarBoroDada
@TomarBoroDada 2 года назад
YES I think more people keep undermining them because of "pretty gg" stereotype that's built around them Even though they're all SUPER TALENTED
@Nika-zt1sc
@Nika-zt1sc 2 года назад
@@TomarBoroDada true
@brittanytiera3299
@brittanytiera3299 2 года назад
They are 🔥
@moonlightbae2812
@moonlightbae2812 2 года назад
Yeah with loud backtrack lmao
@Nika-zt1sc
@Nika-zt1sc 2 года назад
@@moonlightbae2812 not once speaking ☠️
@xpedrox23
@xpedrox23 2 года назад
I think the standard is higher on female singers than on male singers. That's for sure.
@pinklamborghini6446
@pinklamborghini6446 2 года назад
Yeah cause usually females have a wider vocal range and idk what else tbh, but you're right dude
@xpedrox23
@xpedrox23 2 года назад
They don't have a wider range. Men can reach lower octaves with way more ease than women.
@pinklamborghini6446
@pinklamborghini6446 2 года назад
@@xpedrox23 On the other hand women can reach higher octaves
@xpedrox23
@xpedrox23 2 года назад
But that does not mean that women have a wider range. Only that they can reach higher notes.
@yangqingdeng7210
@yangqingdeng7210 2 года назад
I like how Mariah pushes her limit when recording without caring about whether she can do it live. It's about creating art. Had she played it safe, we wouldn't have had the chance to hear so many crazy songs with almost impossible difficulty! Heavenly, for example :)
@mohamedhaikal829
@mohamedhaikal829 Год назад
She expands her range when it come to studio
@sass_king5576
@sass_king5576 2 года назад
Katy Perry is so good. Amazing tone, great belting, nice upper register, decent agility, decent lows, very underrated musicality live. She’s definitely leagues above her peers in pop (taylor. halsey, selena etc…) imo she’s not that far off from ariana, demi and gaga. She’s more on their league than she is at the halsey, taylor league. She’s kind of in the middle with the potential to really develop her voice to it’s fullest. She’s been gettin better since 2017, can’t wait to see what she sounds like when she’s 40.
@carllangenscheid
@carllangenscheid 2 года назад
wait wait wait…katys voice is decent, especially her belts and she improved a lot in her higher register. Definitely better than taylor who is not even a vocalist and halsey. But her voice is not as developed as ariana demi and gaga who are considered the vocalists of the generation
@ariprinpsei
@ariprinpsei 2 года назад
Saying katy being better than ariana and gaga is a bit over, I love katy though
@sass_king5576
@sass_king5576 2 года назад
@@ariprinpsei never said she was better at all, I said she’s more in their league vocally than she is close to selena’s , halsey’s and taylor’s.
@sass_king5576
@sass_king5576 2 года назад
@@carllangenscheid i know, i said that katy is closed to lady gaga than taylor vocally which is true, gaga is obviously the better vocalist but katy ain’t all that far behind
@dancanvocals
@dancanvocals 2 года назад
I know it's controversial, but I agree about Tori's riffs and runs. I honestly don't think there's any Mariah run that Tori couldn't do (in my opinion, from what I've heard), and Tori's creativity and musicality is excellent, like Mariah's! Both incredible riffers 🔥
@ImaniAchokahOfficial
@ImaniAchokahOfficial 2 года назад
@K J We’re comparing vocal agility, not singer’s overall. Please don’t be quick to be defensive.
@transakira
@transakira 2 года назад
Tori couldn't do the Vanishing run. Ever
@thatonegirlyouprobablyhate
@thatonegirlyouprobablyhate 2 года назад
@K J Toxic lamb alert
@honestperson3042
@honestperson3042 2 года назад
She can't do appoggiatura like in Vanishing, not even trills nor in chest voice, let alone in whistle register where Mariah can perform even STACCATO, impossible for anyone, she can't do the run in falsetto that Mariah did in 2013 in the Surprise performance for fans, just a few examples, agility are also octave jump and transition, she's not even close. Mariah can do everything Tory can do and more.
@vocalslover2131
@vocalslover2131 2 года назад
lol haha
@Outside4
@Outside4 2 года назад
Beyoncé is the best technician vocalist to hit mainstream music!!
@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024
@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024 2 года назад
Yup, her and Aretha! Black excellence. 💅🏿
@kennystrydom4964
@kennystrydom4964 2 года назад
What people forget is that Mariah still sings most of her songs in the same key as in her prime. Most singers change up their set list as they get older. Mariah doesn’t do that
@Roguenight863
@Roguenight863 2 года назад
Wow...I am impressed that you said some of the things that you said. Must have taken alot of courage and I agree everything you said. Great video 👏🏿👏🏿
@GarageStudio7
@GarageStudio7 2 года назад
• How is it not a popular opinion that Perrie is the best vocalist? She undoubtedly is! No one is saying the others are bad vocalists. They are capable vocalists but she is surely the best vocalist in the group. • Honestly, Mariah is better when it comes to vocal agility. Tori's riffs and runs are excellent however people tend to forget that vocal agility encompasses many things. Mariah's transitions, vocal switches & utilization of multiple textures with her vocal agility (and in such a short amount of time) are essentially unparalleled in mainstream music. Tori is not there yet. She undoubtedly has the potential to get there. • Ariana's lows are pleasant to the ears even though they are not her forte. I can just imagine how great they would sound when she develops it. • People not thinking that Chloe wasn't lip-synching is reminiscent of people thinking that Beyonce doesn't lip-sync at all whilst performing. • Kelly Clarkson's middle name is *consistency* plus she has been putting out great music over the years. Her technique is solid! • THANK YOU! Leona's vocal agility is sublime and overall she is an underrated vocalist. • All vocal sisters in the vocal Trinity have wonderful resonance but yep, that captivating resonance coupled with the power in her belts are something else. Yep, Celine doesn't have the technique in the upper belts (her mix is impressive though) that the other two have and even though Mariah has the technique to soar with her upper belts, she doesn't have the stamina & consistency that her vocal sisters have. • With Demi's riffs & runs, less is definitely more. • I don't know them but oh wOw 8:51 they are obviously very uncomfortable and their introverted voices display that, these labels really treat a lot of artists like pawns. • 13:25 I don't know them either but considering that their mics stay on, they should be much more renowned than those who are put forward as the faces of KPop today. • I keep wondering what performance of Katy's went viral during her debut for • I think most find it hard to associate Mariah with "studio singer" because most of those who tend to be studio singers are subpar live. On the other hand, Mariah has many excellent vocals live but consistency has been a frenemy of hers for quite awhile. She's obviously much more comfortable in the studio. • Christina's vocal agility is so effortless & so soulful. I love how versatile she can be with her vocal agility. • Just like it started, how is this opinion not popular (low-key fact 😅 jk, but really). The mainstream male vocalists are not even giving the mainstream female vocalists a battle, it's like they aren't even trying yet they are outstreaming the female vocalists. 😞 Edit: The Adelecalypse is here, hopefully it gives the females a boost in streaming.
@joanquintero4670
@joanquintero4670 2 года назад
Ariana's lows are develope, I don't see any female belter with her ease having better lows (on today's industry)
@GarageStudio7
@GarageStudio7 2 года назад
@@joanquintero4670 Amber Riley is right there with her. Could it be more developed, yes...& that's my point Edit: actually, Amber's lows are slightly better.
@doodlebug4947
@doodlebug4947 2 года назад
@@joanquintero4670 One word Faouzia
@GarageStudio7
@GarageStudio7 2 года назад
@@doodlebug4947 I was thinking of her but even though her belts are technically great she doesn't have the ease up there that Ariana does because her voice sits lower. I think that was @MerryChristmasEra's point; Ariana being a Soprano with a high tessitura. That's why I mentioned Amber.
@joanquintero4670
@joanquintero4670 2 года назад
@@doodlebug4947 she's not a soprano and neither see her belting 4 Bb5's in 5 seconds 🤨
@mav572
@mav572 2 года назад
I don't think using ICSM and More&More as an example isn't aging well. To justify, listen to TWICE's Japanese songs in Japan as they sing it 100% live during performance.
@asnalelo.165
@asnalelo.165 2 года назад
8:15 it’s JoJo’s C#5 belt on the ”yeeees” for me
@charlie8581
@charlie8581 2 года назад
i still think mariah has better vocal agility …
@musicboxtourmsg
@musicboxtourmsg 2 года назад
Overall agility I still think goes to Mariah although Tori is a fantastic competitor. Tori has not consistently displayed she can do as precise and fantastic transitions like Mariah can do within a millisecond. Tori hasn’t even surpassed some of Celine’s runs so let’s not exaggerate.
@leafyyy813
@leafyyy813 2 года назад
I feel like Mariah is better because they are precise and complex and she can do those type of runs and riffs for a while
@badbada3003
@badbada3003 2 года назад
Mariah is better due to speed and musicality
@mindstone6883
@mindstone6883 2 года назад
@@leafyyy813 Yep. Mariah, at least in her prime, will always be the most agile singer in pop music in terms of speed, vocal transitions, and musicality ALTOGETHER. You can't leave one skill out. Plus she has consistently produced some of the most inventive and complex riffs in pop music; for instance, the Lead the Way riff.
@josivantorres2218
@josivantorres2218 2 года назад
@@badbada3003 speed? No, but musicality? Yes. Tori’s runs are way faster than Mariah’s, but Mariah does more with her runs. She has more creativity in that department, but in terms of speed, Tori beats her
@badbada3003
@badbada3003 2 года назад
@@josivantorres2218 no Mariah has done 11 notes in 0.7 sec she covers shorter amount of time than Tori
@coycoyx7346
@coycoyx7346 2 года назад
11:01 ROSÉ really said "haters my mic is on"
@rick-kg2fk
@rick-kg2fk 2 года назад
Why doesnt kelly clarkson get the respect she deserves???? Shes ALWAYS CONSISTENT and her voice is getting better with age...she has power, tasteful vocal runs, amazing technique and very emotive...Shes on the top of my list!!!
@joaopedro-zm7dy
@joaopedro-zm7dy 2 года назад
Mariah still has better agility. It's like... Kelly is AMAZING, but Mariah is freaking CRAZY
@SunnyMidnightxX
@SunnyMidnightxX 2 года назад
in the whistle register alone .. i don’t think he’s seen this ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-BVoh5HdsJho.html
@joaopedro-zm7dy
@joaopedro-zm7dy 2 года назад
@@SunnyMidnightxX yep
@jamiekane3323
@jamiekane3323 2 года назад
You need to read up on melismatic singing because being quick is just a small part of it. Mariah was a virtuoso because she was quick, accurate, complex, and has unmatched musicality and technical prowess. She implemented tonal quality changes in milliseconds to match the melodies. Tori has great precision, but her musicality and skill do not compare to Carey’s.
@berceuse9620
@berceuse9620 2 года назад
i agree .tori is great but mariah is still considerably better
@Roguenight863
@Roguenight863 2 года назад
I agree that she just as good if not better at runs than Mariah. The things that you mentioned are subjective.
@musicboxtourmsg
@musicboxtourmsg 2 года назад
@@Roguenight863 Tori hasn’t displayed Mariah’s insane ability for transitions during melismatic runs so in all reality the only logical debate is that Tori’s voice can move just as fast as Mariah’s
@cr3413
@cr3413 2 года назад
Those are not subjective - they’re based in technique, which is able to be measured and assessed
@berceuse9620
@berceuse9620 2 года назад
@@Roguenight863 they are nowhere near subjective..vocal agility encompasses them all
@VictorHugo-ik8yb
@VictorHugo-ik8yb 2 года назад
GOOOOD MORNIIIIIIINNG FAAAAAMM!! i was thinking on a "what about male singers?" video. Where do their voices fall in the music industry? Why male artists are not often valued by their voices on the mainstream? Wich are the best ones? And so on. Really loooooove your channel and hope the best for you fam :)
@luxtina2847
@luxtina2847 2 года назад
don't agree with some of them but still loved the video, love hearing different opinions, that is how it should be.
@carlosmontenegro6490
@carlosmontenegro6490 2 года назад
For part 2: -Beyoncé is not just a "performer", she is an amazing singer in every register. -Bruno Mars is the best male vocalist in the industry Celine Dion is the most consistent in the VT, and she is kinda underrated.
@Chaddy14
@Chaddy14 2 года назад
Facts 💯
@Gui-mt2wu
@Gui-mt2wu 2 года назад
Mariah it's the best singer in VT! And leigh anne it's just as good as perrie when comes to belt! Mariah still better then 90% of the musical industry currently
@audreyf9092
@audreyf9092 2 года назад
@@Gui-mt2wu He said consistent vocals and Mariah pretty obviously had the least consistent.
@Gui-mt2wu
@Gui-mt2wu 2 года назад
@@audreyf9092 no, it's my suggestions for the video!
@SuperPianogirl123
@SuperPianogirl123 2 года назад
Bruno Mars is the best in WHAT industry???
@cr3413
@cr3413 2 года назад
It’s just not true that Mariah didn’t do justice to her songs in the 90s-early 00s. Today? Sure. But she often took her songs to new heights live in her prime years, sometimes making them more difficult. And to make a comment about het stamina just exhibits your own faulty vocal knowledge - Legase Singing speaks to why her stamina was freakishly good.
@jamiekane3323
@jamiekane3323 2 года назад
I think the person who made this is not a vocal coach because his knowledge is clearly lacking. Not fair to compare him to experts like Legase.
@cr3413
@cr3413 2 года назад
Lol, true.
@ilovetati91
@ilovetati91 2 года назад
Well said
@honestperson3042
@honestperson3042 2 года назад
FACTS ! And that guy is amazing
@Ryan_K535
@Ryan_K535 2 года назад
- Absolutely completely and utterly disagree with the Mariah vs Tori one. Mariah shares the throne with no one when it comes to melismatic singing as a whole in mainstream music. It sounds a bit aggressive but that’s the truth! - The definition of a studio singer is a person who can not sing outside of the studio without the help of auto tune and technological aid! If anyone thinks that this definition describes Mariah, that sounds like a personal problem! I won’t go over every single one because for some of them I share a different outlook even though I can see where they’re coming from. These two were just the most absurd to me!
@joanquintero4670
@joanquintero4670 2 года назад
He clearly stated that it's "kinda true", means, not completely, but IN SOME WAY (that he can interpret in the way he prefers) it is. With that being said, songs like mine again, Mariah could never do that outside of her prime, and even in her prime I don't think so, and specially with that heavy agressive arrangement on the belts, early in her career in songs like "one sweet day" where she belts some Eb5 sustained (although, not as much as D5's like in mine again), she didn't approach her belts in such heavy way, Ik, it sounds amazing and so resonant, but that is tiring and specially for a voice that delicate like mariah's.
@Ryan_K535
@Ryan_K535 2 года назад
@@joanquintero4670 Not being able to replicate what you can do in a studio (with endless technological aid) is completely normal, especially when your voice is damaged and your repertoire is suicide. Nobody calls Whitney a studio singer when she changes almost 80% of a song live because she can’t handle a note or a phrase, we call it “smart adlibs”. No one calls Celine or Beyonce lip-sync queens when they lip as much as Mariah, we call that “voice longevity” I just feel like there is this need to drag Mariah down even at something that she is indeed good at (such as studio mixing). Couldn’t we just say she is masterful in the studio but no we have to go and say studio singer, which to a legendary vocalist like Mariah is degrading. These high expectations are getting tiring! P.S- I know I went on a bit of a rant. I just wanted to fully explain myself.
@PatchesNjose
@PatchesNjose 2 года назад
@@Ryan_K535 Whitney was far more consistent in a live setting than Mariah in their primes and she went for notes way more often than she didn't. I'm not sure why she was even brought up. Mariah gets blasted as a studio singer because of all the dubbing and the lazy lipsyncing (even when her voice was in a good condition see 2003/2004) rather than just lowering the keys to her comfort zone.
@honestperson3042
@honestperson3042 2 года назад
@@Ryan_K535" Nobody calls Whitney a studio singer when she changes almost 80% of a song live because she can't handle a note or a phrase, we call it "smart adlibs" . You deserve a medal for this. The most common phrase is "Whitney never sings a song the same way twice" True but nobody notices that she never sings a song even once exactly like the studio version. Always a different tempo to catch breath and simplify the arrangement. She was the first to lower the key also in her prime... Whitney's stans always talk about "consistency" to justify the fact that whitney with her voice couldn't do half of what Mariah could do. They have an inferiority complex towards Mariah
@Ryan_K535
@Ryan_K535 2 года назад
@@PatchesNjose Absolutely nothing personal with Whitney. If anything I brought her, Celine and Beyonce up because together with Mariah they are one of the greatest vocalists. On the other hand, saying that she went for notes much more than Mariah in their primes is a reach to me. Whitney was very smart with her changes and adlibs because in most times it saved her from having to go to a high note (not saying that she didn’t attempt because that’s a lie). Also, dubbing and lipping are not only secluded to Mariah. That’s another thing that she gets much attention because she’s bad at covering it up while most of the industry does the same thing even in their early years or “primes”, which Mariah didn’t.
@vocalslover2131
@vocalslover2131 2 года назад
Mariah has showed the most impressive and complex live vocals ever in mainstream music in her prime. Studio singer my ass haha . Litterally the best vocalist in mainstream music and I'm not even a big fan of her
@hughw2377
@hughw2377 2 года назад
Say it louder for the people in the back!😂
@milesheizer698
@milesheizer698 2 года назад
Tori is miles better than Mariah in terms of agility though 🤷🏻‍♂️
@theshowmustgoon4287
@theshowmustgoon4287 2 года назад
@@milesheizer698 she's not better not even in runs , and runs are only one part of the agility. Not even close
@milesheizer698
@milesheizer698 2 года назад
@@theshowmustgoon4287 urmm yes she is,,,, 😑
@theshowmustgoon4287
@theshowmustgoon4287 2 года назад
@@milesheizer698 she has never shown trills, appoggiatura , staccato, and Mariah's inhuman transitions. Not to mention that Mariah is agile even in whistle register. Not even close. She sang Vision of love except that her voice is not quite comparable but look at the difference between early 90s Mariah and her in melismatic style, not even close and she can't do the final appoggiatura not even like the studio let alone the more complex one that Mariah did live many times
@milesjohnson7423
@milesjohnson7423 2 года назад
I def agree about Whitney being the best belter out of the trinity.
@mrvocal21
@mrvocal21 2 года назад
Whitney was just better live than the other two in general (live atleast especially in the 80s). Anyone with true understanding of vocal pedagogy will tell you that.
@vocalslover2131
@vocalslover2131 2 года назад
Mid- belter probably
@mrvocal21
@mrvocal21 2 года назад
@@vocalslover2131 She's hit more supported live G5's in her career than both ?
@vocalslover2131
@vocalslover2131 2 года назад
@@mrvocal21 Who ? If You talk about Mariah, neither Celine nor whitney have ever hit a G5 resonant with tonal quality like Mariah, compares quality over quantity, or phrasing F#5 like Mariah, not even close. Mariah has more supported and resonant upperbelts than both for sure in her prime. Celine's upper belts are literally non-existent, even the iconic final sustained F5 in All by myself is strained as hell even in studio. Whitney loses her great power, her voice became thinner and shrill and her resonance is non-existent in upperbelts. She's an eccellent midbelter despite having a poor technique with a lot of tension she's really gifted for midbelts exactly like for her beautiful headvoice. Mariah displayed overall the most impressive and complex vocals in her prime both live and in studio. I stan the late Whitney Houston but facts are facts. Whitney was an incredible performer born to sing but not the best vocalist. A lot of Nippians speak of "inconsistency" by inventing excuses for not accepting reality, I definitely don't belong to that league.
@PatchesNjose
@PatchesNjose 2 года назад
@@mrvocal21 Exactly. Celine is definitely 2nd even though I prefer Mariah’s voice, she wasn’t consistent in live setting.
@spotsevigne2549
@spotsevigne2549 2 года назад
I honestly don't mind ppl thinking Tori has better agility than Mariah, because to an extent it is true. the difference is, that is Tori's main thing abt her voice. she incorporates runs on a very consistent basis. Meanwhile, it's a flex for Mariah that it's not even her main thing abt her voice, because she can basically do anything. agility is just one of many great vocal abilities that she has. imho, the main thing abt her voice or what she showcases more often is her wide vocal range (low notes and whistle register), and her amazing phrasing of upper belts.
@honestperson3042
@honestperson3042 2 года назад
Agility are a lot of other things : trills, appoggiatura, staccato, octave jump, transitions... Mariah can also do these things in whistle register and she is the only one. Her agility is unparalleled in mainstream music. Tori is not even close. And even in runs alone Mariah is better and faster the difference is the musicality, the perfect placement which makes runs go unnoticed and the fact that Mariah uses legato. Agree on the rest
@balistoymarlonjade7642
@balistoymarlonjade7642 2 года назад
@@honestperson3042 lmao we get it, you're die hard fan.
@odumosuolusegun2781
@odumosuolusegun2781 2 года назад
@@balistoymarlonjade7642 To say Mariah is the onlynone is deluded. People have been whistling before and her whistling after her. Betty Wright, Cheryl Lynn, Minnie, Ym Sumac and many more and with real agility with their mics on...Not studio ones
@lau3673
@lau3673 2 года назад
this is incorrect. mariah isn’t a flex, underneath the stars, my all. it’s for the lyrics and story. and yes mariah was pushed to do her best. but her storytelling and vocal transitions in her runs. literally underneath the stars at tokyo dome. you ppl need to do research before speaking
@nhattantrantruong8903
@nhattantrantruong8903 2 года назад
I thought we all know that Perrie is the best vocalist in Little mix cause as far as I know she's the only one to produce resonance consistently in both mixed voice and headvoice. About Mariah and Tori. I don't know in what aspect one is called better at run&riff but Tori excels run&riff somewhat more complicated but the way Mariah applies to her music/ melody is amazing and unparalleled so I'm not so sure about this.
@sierrastar5155
@sierrastar5155 2 года назад
People still try to downplay perries talent. There is even people that say she’s now the third best vocalist in the group
@nhattantrantruong8903
@nhattantrantruong8903 2 года назад
@@sierrastar5155 even she has problem with keeping consistent support/ resonance on C5s, her headvoice and low still slay the entire group let alone her resonance in mixed voice which Jade and Leigh-Ann have never showcased before.
@sierrastar5155
@sierrastar5155 2 года назад
@@nhattantrantruong8903 I think when we state Perrie is the best vocalist a lot of people make it out like we are saying she’s perfect. Ofc she struggles with certain things just like everyone but it doesn’t change the fact she’s still the superior vocalist.
@KpopsFatherTaehyung
@KpopsFatherTaehyung 2 года назад
@@sierrastar5155 right??? Not loving her voice is one thing, but saying she’s third best in the group is just full on delusion. I’m sorry, but most of the people here aren’t being realistic and instead are basing their opinions on their personal bias
@amyyyg2059
@amyyyg2059 2 года назад
The girls themselves have said it. They even go into detail on how they can’t hit her notes😭
@aldrenenenenen_4089
@aldrenenenenen_4089 2 года назад
Twice do sing live, especially on their earlier years. However, after multiple fails and then them being attacked by like, every fandom ever, their confidence deteriorated. The lowest point being the I Can't Stop Me era which came after the More & More era, which had the infamous Momo and Tzuyu encores. Just try watching these encores before the infamous incident. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-7rx7MQWK8As.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-lpAwNFBkojY.html You can here everyone sing during the Fancy Era. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-2IDgTYm_-Js.html You can clearly see them enjoying encore stages during DTNA era. And era's before that. They even sing live on radio shows without bacning vocals. Now the stage you showed was ICSM. That was after the period wherein they were bashed so much, they became frightened of encore stages because they know every mistake will be pinpointed (which is so unfair considering some groups don't even sing live on their encore). Momo, especially, was so bashed to the point where she hides from the camera during encore stages. I know Twice are not the best vocalists but their concerts show that they can sing. They are like Mariah where when on live TV, performances are not the best after years of being on the receiving end of hatred. However, when on concerts and tour, wherein they know their true fans are the ones watching, they are at their best state. I'm not comparing Mariah's vocals to Twice's, just their confidence. Your opinion about their encore stages is not unpopular, especially now (I mean most encore stages are meh now) but the reasons you gave to justify them are the one that are false. Research more before saying things like they didn't practice too much etc etc. I'm not saying their voices doesn't need work but it's not the main problem, it's their confidence. Watch concert videos! Of course no one believes they are singing live on ICSM stage you've shown. We know when they are singing live and when they are not, duh. Again, watch other, especially older videos. Ughh, this is the only time I disagreed on your opinion. And I fucking hate it. The basis on this one was really shallow and not well-read into. Smh. Just compare. Before more and more Radio show ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-M4pk0Wx372w.html Signal ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-M7YSKLrV4Vw.html Cheer up ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Awh_HCHJG-Q.html Yes or yes ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-waVRwJ1T0NM.html TT ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ndDreQjm00A.html After more and more ICSM ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-oe6-dRT-UQQ.html Scientist ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-AJ76rrOQDxE.html I mean look at Momo at the back.
@TomarBoroDada
@TomarBoroDada 2 года назад
BlackPink have always had good live vocals since debut 💓✨
@raex839
@raex839 2 года назад
i do think they were a little unprepared during the d4 era and that kinda gave them a bad rep, especially with those mr removed videos, but blackpink has always been under-valued in terms of vocals
@moonlightbae2812
@moonlightbae2812 2 года назад
Bc they always use loud backtrack lmao
@crazy.autumn
@crazy.autumn 2 года назад
@@moonlightbae2812 most of their encore was sang live. .... what? They do use pre record but what we're talking about here was their encore.
@moonlightbae2812
@moonlightbae2812 2 года назад
@@crazy.autumn yes sang live with loud backtrack lol
@strangeannie5160
@strangeannie5160 2 года назад
I really agree with male vocalists one, believe; it is hard to find a good male vocalist in pop. But hey, thank to god, we have the sm vocalists
@RamandeepKaur-fe8zc
@RamandeepKaur-fe8zc 2 года назад
What’s sm?
@iosashes2087
@iosashes2087 2 года назад
They exist. They just don’t get much mainstream American attention. For some reason people don’t necessarily care for the talented ones. Travis Garland and James Maslow should’ve been the big pop boys of the 2010s with their voices, but for some reason mediocre singing is like a prerequisite for male vocalists in pop. I’d suggest Spencer Sutherland, Stan Walker, and Leroy Sanchez. All of those guys are excellent pop vocalists.
@sally-dg3ml
@sally-dg3ml 2 года назад
@@RamandeepKaur-fe8zc it is a kpop company :) , they have alots of groups and their groups are known for having really solid vocal lines :) Esp for males they have litterally the best male vocalists in kpop such as kuyhyun suju 1st main vocalist ( supports Bb2/B2-B4/C5(D5/Eb5 in the studion )-F5/F#5) , chen exo 1st main vocalist ( supports A2/Bb2-A4 ) , changbin , beakhyun , D.O , ..etc
@paulorodrigocs
@paulorodrigocs 2 года назад
Definitely, Kelly is the voice of pop music nowadays.
@Lovebirdd
@Lovebirdd 2 года назад
THANK YOU!! Leona absolutely has impressive agility but she doesn't show it off. She's very conservative with it and I love that. She exudes femininity and elegance even in her singing!!
@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024
@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024 2 года назад
She’s so feminine and just iconic!
@saint9468
@saint9468 2 года назад
It’s weird cause Twice used to be really good live vocalists, but i think the constant degrading of their vocals, has brought confident issues which means that they’re not the best. Ive been taught that your mental state and confidence can contribute to how you sound. Can someone correct me if I’m wrong Thank you have a nice
@saint9468
@saint9468 2 года назад
day
@grandeflamesbutera3949
@grandeflamesbutera3949 2 года назад
Its true. Ur confidence and ur mental state actually affects ur singing a lot hence why the first 3 shows of a tour are the “worst” because they are just getting used to performing in big crowds after 3-4 months of rehearsals and practicing
@strangeannie5160
@strangeannie5160 2 года назад
and the overworking from JYPE
@anpanmlbb
@anpanmlbb 2 года назад
Let me ask you,if hater says you cant sing...what would you do???? Degrading your vocal or show them that you can sing??? If you show them that you can sing,then what can hater say??? They cant say anything.... But what twice members did just show that they cant sing,its not about the confident...but its about on having a good vocal as a singer..
@Bunbun05
@Bunbun05 2 года назад
@@anpanmlbb let me tell u something, u should stop expecting everyone to do the same thing when they got bashed from haters, yeah some r brave to fight against the hate and that’s because they’re confident about themselves but some r not confident enough to fight back and that makes them even more anxious as everyone keeps on expecting them to be perfect in every single aspect when they’re just humans, Twice can sing but its a matter of whether they r confident enough to produce great vocal or not. Like confidence might not have any connection to vocal technique but without confidence, any singer out there would have felt more anxious about their vocal just like Twice. Like ur words r not making anything better and the moment u said ‘Twice cant sing’, u already proved urself how ignorant u r to expect everyone in the world to act and do the same thing that some people might do. Ps. Im not good at english so i might misunderstood ur words so im going to apologize beforehand just in case i said something offensive in my comment
@MrSnookieCute
@MrSnookieCute 2 года назад
Mariah will always be my favorite out of the vocal trinity, but yes, Whitney IS phenomenal at belting *cries in whistle register*
@agnessofiacastrocarvalho774
Whistle are overrated anyways
@joanquintero4670
@joanquintero4670 2 года назад
14:35 completly agree with that and specially from 1997 to 2014, like... she recorded an A5 belt in a song, at 44, even tho she never did that live on her prime, like, I also feel that being so extrict with her vocals on the studio also makes her voice to get tired.
@PatchesNjose
@PatchesNjose 2 года назад
Definitely. That's why her 2004 voice didn't last longer after she recorded Emancipation.
@joanquintero4670
@joanquintero4670 2 года назад
@@PatchesNjose I also think so
@Commander_Cat
@Commander_Cat 2 года назад
Katy Perry is really underrated. Her performances on Idol and her recent performances the one where she was pregnant and those acoustic ones in her bathroom show how good she is. Would be interesting for you to do the riff and run analysis on underrated male singers like T-Pain. He did amazing on The Masked Singer
@vanessa9781
@vanessa9781 2 года назад
Great video! I would love if you made a video analyzing/discussing just how bad male singers are today. Maybe contrasting today's stars with those from previous years who are evidently better.
@jakealcomendas9937
@jakealcomendas9937 2 года назад
I think the difference between Twice and Itzy is that Twice was made from a survival show (i know some members are trained even before participating). Also, JYP Entertainment overwork Twice so much that there's no room for them to rest nor improving the vocals so...
@basicallyike2053
@basicallyike2053 2 года назад
All twice members trained before participating they were all jyp trainees
@joybaleka3681
@joybaleka3681 2 года назад
On Mariah and Tory’s case I think you guys forget that it’s not only riffs and runs but also transitions and octave jumps. And also Mariah has to do riffs and runs while covering a large range. On Whitney,Celine and Mariah’s case we just have to be honest that Mariah’s inconsistency is because of the difficulty she puts her songs in. Imagine the other 2 legends having to do Mariah’s songs. Also goes to Mariah as I feel like there are other things she wouldn’t be able to do.
@krissy9128
@krissy9128 2 года назад
What he fails to realize is speed and agility is not the same thing. While Tori may be a bit faster at a riff or run..she often doesn't cover the range Mariah has in her riffs and runs and Tori's aren't as complex or inventive. Also, I agree that Mariah inconsistencies on stage comes from the fact that she wrote her songs entirely too high and made them too difficult/complex. Also, her instrument is not made for touring (annoying vocal nodules her whole life)..it's fragile and gets tired faster than the average singer's. So calling her a studio singer is too harsh; it would imply she can't sing live when we have seen what Mariah is capable of on several occasions.
@theshowmustgoon4287
@theshowmustgoon4287 2 года назад
@@krissy9128 she's not even faster
@odumosuolusegun2781
@odumosuolusegun2781 2 года назад
@@krissy9128 I disagree, Mariah has songs where it involves sustaining notes, she dies .. Without you is a good example. bUT THOSE ARE THE SONGS THAT cELINE AND wHITNEY EAT DAILY ON TOUR . wHITNEY especially as she toured with live vocals atimes 150 date tours. Mariah in her prime did only 6-15 date tours...So sorry no. Her songs are difficult but she also would not do well with extremely belts songs with a lot of sustaining., Her voice will give way...
@Sttephy30
@Sttephy30 2 года назад
@@odumosuolusegun2781 That's because her voice isn't clean like Dion's and Houston's were. You can't sustain for months on end with noduels on the vocal cords. That's literally one of the side effects of nodules. Which is why Whitney started having trouble sustain chest dominated belts after she developed nodules.
@kpopstan9688
@kpopstan9688 2 года назад
BLACKPINK and ITZY are one of the best performers in kpop nowadays, and this is a fact.
@fe1676
@fe1676 2 года назад
That’s true also red velvet are so good
@kpopstan9688
@kpopstan9688 2 года назад
@@fe1676 Yeah, there's plenty of good performers.
@Ri57490
@Ri57490 2 года назад
Yes, for dance. But they are also some of the weakest vocalists. I think Mamamoo are the best all round performers in kpop.
@kpopstan9688
@kpopstan9688 2 года назад
@@Ri57490 I wouldn't call them "some of the weakest vocalists" . They also have a really strong stage presence.
@ricky1747
@ricky1747 2 года назад
@@kpopstan9688 This is a video about Vocalist, I agree that Blackpink and Itzy are not good at vocals but they are good at dance and stage presentations. I wouldn't be surprised if 80% of their live performance is lipsync or backing track. Maybe because they focus more on dance.
@alejandroolivares1864
@alejandroolivares1864 2 года назад
Blackpink is so talented!!!
@nanudv
@nanudv 2 года назад
(About perrie) pretty sure leigh, jade and jesy said something along the lines before. they know perrie is their best vocalist. little mix has always focused on giving equal attention to all members which I LOVE but that might be the reason why the fandom is like that I guess
@fatima.s4382
@fatima.s4382 2 года назад
Cool video. I kinda want to know your honest opinion on Faouzia being one of the best vocalists of this generation.
@honestperson3042
@honestperson3042 2 года назад
People can't match Mariah's live vocals in her prime not even in studio haha . People talk about her studio vocals but let's talk about her live vocals in her prime, her skills, who can replicate them? Can anyone do everything Mariah could do with her voice? Has anyone ever shown it? Nobody. The only vocalist who can't be touched, just search for covers : Emotions, Can't let go, If It's over, Vanishing, Vision of love, nobody even comes close to singing her songs with the same arrangement of her live performances and with a great technique. Mariah's best live performances are litterally the higher standard vocally in mainstream music.
@aintnootherfan
@aintnootherfan 2 года назад
I knew this one would be controversial but people seem to try to invalidate that opinion by comparing Mariah to others, which has nothing to do with the opinion itself. Is Mariah's catalogue insanely difficult? Hell yeah. Has she consistently been recording stuff that she hasn't recreated live over the years, yes and that's why she could be argued as a "studio singer". It doesn't change the fact that on top of that, Mariah is a GREAT live singer.
@Sylvaincks
@Sylvaincks 2 года назад
@electricxcircus I think its obvious she was always more confortable in the studio. Even in daydream era she lowered the key of AYNAF and VOL
@theshowmustgoon4287
@theshowmustgoon4287 2 года назад
@@aintnootherfan everybody has recording over the years songs that cannot replicate live. Whitney has never sung live IWALY in original Key like the studio without change the arrangement her most iconic songs which is a soundtrack and a cover, same with Run to you, She lipped or dodged the climax of I'm every woman and I'm your baby tonight everytime on stage because she can't replicate it live even in her prime ( songs that compare to Mariah' songs are a joke ) She always change the tempo and the arrangement of her Songs live to catch breath and she lowered the key more often than her peers even in her prime and her stans call It "interpretation" no one calls her "studio singer" and the reason is simple, Whitney doesn't have the artistic talent that Mariah has, no other female singer does so Whitney has to be praised for that because she has nothing else to be praised
@theshowmustgoon4287
@theshowmustgoon4287 2 года назад
@@aintnootherfan Accept that Mariah is not only the best artist but also the best vocalist (which is a demonstrable fact by analyzing the complex technique, skills, versatility, range and other things) it would mean accepting that Mariah wins in both and that she is the greatest. After the prime years this speech can be applied to any singer especially who has had vocal damage, there are rare very few exceptions like Aretha Franklin and Patti labelle, in this case anyone else would be a studio singer. The fact remains that her vocal skills are unmatched and that at her best has reached the highest vocal level in mainstream music, nobody can do what she did both live and in studio.
@codywalsh2075
@codywalsh2075 2 года назад
@electricxcircus Mariah didn't sign your CD? Didn't sign your poster? Didn't wave back at you? Lmao you all over this comment section coming for Mariah, go and seek help you deluded clown.
@benehfilho
@benehfilho 2 года назад
OMG PREACH. u just said it all!!!!! ty
@bre_me
@bre_me 2 года назад
Glad you included Demi's performance with JoJo, I also thought she sounded really good there, coming from someone who doesn't really watch many of Demi's live performances
@user-bj7em4fv1p
@user-bj7em4fv1p 2 года назад
Demi’s pronouns are they babe
@bre_me
@bre_me 2 года назад
@@user-bj7em4fv1p She's a female and presents as a female, so why would I use different pronouns to refer to her? If she said her pronouns were dog/cat would you be calling her dog/cat? Actual question
@user-bj7em4fv1p
@user-bj7em4fv1p 2 года назад
@@bre_me I don’t know what to reply to you because what you said was extremely stupid. Those two things have nothing in common
@jaureguihansen5798
@jaureguihansen5798 2 года назад
It’s so heartbreaking that Twice has basically become so terrified of singing live because of all the hate they receive that they dread encore stages instead of enjoying them. Obviously they aren’t the best live singers in kpop, but I think they seem worse because they’re so insecure. If they had the confidence (like Jihyo does) they wouldn’t come off as such weak vocalists. Plus their choreography lately hasn’t helped at all since it’s only getting more difficult. Although that’s not an excuse because groups like Dreamcatcher perform amazing live with even harder choreography. HOWEVER, I feel like it should totally be up to the company to assess their idols abilities and change the choreo or vocals accordingly. If a dance is too tiring, make it easier. If the vocals are too high, lower them so your idols can perform at their best. Everyone has their limits, you shouldn’t just automatically assume someone is a bad singer because they didn’t perform well on a song that was GIVEN to them, potentially without getting much input on what parts they got. Ultimately it seems like certain companies (or maybe just the kpop industry as a whole) care less and less about singing live and rely more heavily on backtracks, focusing all their efforts into a grand performance instead. Now we could go into the whole debate about whether idols should be better at dancing, singing, or equal at both, but at the end of the day it’s really up to your own preference. I personally love kpop because it’s not just one thing, it’s not just vocals or dance or rap or cool mvs. It’s all of it. Kpop is an art form that goes well beyond music. So even if certain idols lipsync on stage, you can still enjoy other aspects of the performance, or the mv, or the lore. However, I do appreciate and tend to like it a hundred times better when groups sing live. Because being able to put off difficult choreography AND vocals is rare and, therefore, impressive. In other words, don’t hate on groups because you think they’re bad singers. Go find another group that’s good instead. P.S. Stan Dreamcatcher. Some of the best live performers you’ll ever see, yet hardly anyone talks about them.
@kphoria1009
@kphoria1009 2 года назад
that was really long but yeah i agree, twice can sing when they’re prepared to sing and given verses in their ranges
@4Tom4lepus4
@4Tom4lepus4 2 года назад
Kelly Clarkson is severely underrated. It's mind boggling to me. I would also want to mention Anastacia as an underrated singer, though she doesn't do strictly pop. But general question: Why is this entirely about women? It's so weird to me, but it feels like male pop vocalists are never under the same scrutiny as female vocalists.
@Jonvocals
@Jonvocals 2 года назад
It’s time Mariah fans admit that she has lip synched A LOT throughout her career and that she also uses pre recorded vocals for the hardest parts in songs when she chooses to sing live. It won’t take away from her legacy and the fact that she was once brilliant. But the amount of delusion that lambs have going on regarding this is embarrassing at this point.
@np4511
@np4511 2 года назад
IM SO GLAD SOMEONE FINALLY SAID IT omg, im always afraid to voice my opinion under mariah videos because the lambs come for my throat and believe that mariah is this next level god who always sings live and never messes up.. like girl?? shes a flawed human who is unbelievably talented but also just like us
@nakoharuno
@nakoharuno 2 года назад
C'mon... She's 51 and NODULES, she NEEDS to be careful about her voice. (And she still showing good vocals even out her prime... I can share some links if you want)
@Sttephy30
@Sttephy30 2 года назад
So does Celine Dion, and Beyonce. Who gives a fuck!
@nakoharuno
@nakoharuno 2 года назад
No. The point the most lambs are defending is: Mariah never lost her voice, just matured. And she NEVER lipped songs like: Vision of love, Migrate, I'll be there, Migrate, Emotions (belting parts)... try again 😂😂😂😂😂
@nakoharuno
@nakoharuno 2 года назад
@@Sttephy30 yeeeeeees, Celine sometimes uses playback in a FULL song, and Bey too. Mariah just lip some climax songs
@Marco-el2he
@Marco-el2he 2 года назад
1:18 not the “if not better” 💀 the difference is that tori excells at runs and that’s what people listen her for. Mariah excells at a lot of things makes u appreciate less a specific skill. I would never say tori BEATS mariah in agility lmao. Id say opinions are opinions but id dare to say thats a fact
@burjer8921
@burjer8921 2 года назад
tori is faster than mariah if we only talk about the speed but its different if we will consider the other aspects of a run
@theshowmustgoon4287
@theshowmustgoon4287 2 года назад
Mariah has the best agility in mainstream music, the most complete, the most impressive, arpeggios, staccato, appoggiatura, trills both in chest and whistle register, agility are many things not only runs where Mariah is better and faster anyway. The real speed is when you can't hear all the the notes because they almost disappear and you can hear them when you slow down, I only saw this with Mariah and Beyoncé who is the closest to Mariah in terms of agility. People who think is faster says this only because she riffs more, unnecessarily sometimes, and because they can hear all the notes.
@burjer8921
@burjer8921 2 года назад
@@theshowmustgoon4287 i dont know any runs of mariah that are faster than tori's
@Diegoft2
@Diegoft2 2 года назад
30 + years later, and yet not a single video where Mariah or Celine or Whitney don’t appear -and yet people hate on them. Also notice how almost everyone in this video took inspiration from Mariah/ Celine or Whitney so y’all better respect this 3 legends (of course there are many more from the 70-90s btw) . -often imitated, never duplicated
@jcrowther5525
@jcrowther5525 2 года назад
Loved this video, I agreed with almost everything. Sadly, this will go the way every single post about vocals goes, Mariah, Mariah, Mariah. It’s gotten so old. Her fans can’t not post hundreds of times about how she’s the greatest, no one compares, blah blah blah. I love me some Mariah, but her fans… not so much.
@odumosuolusegun2781
@odumosuolusegun2781 2 года назад
They are crazy..All over the page, crying and abusing everybody that disagrees with their shit
@jcrowther5525
@jcrowther5525 2 года назад
@@odumosuolusegun2781 always, and it’s not just this page, it’s every page. Incredibly annoying
@whoevr
@whoevr 2 года назад
Lately you’ve been so consistent- for instance, you found a new concept, make series of it then u sadly took a pause nevertheless you’ve found an alternative to entertain us.
@ayeshas5823
@ayeshas5823 2 года назад
Perrie has always been my FAVOURITE member of Little Mix, since the very beginning.❤️ so that isn’t an insult to me. I LOVE Mariah and Tori for their vocal abilities!❤️ as for the trinity, Whitney is my FAVOURITE!❤️❤️❤️❤️ (No Beyonce again!😭😢😭😢😭) l hope she’s in the next video.😢☺️
@injeongtojeongin
@injeongtojeongin 2 года назад
8:25 TWICE is a very busy group, they probably take the encore stage less seriously as you can see they don't have much rest, Nayeon revealed in a video that she only has 2-5 hours to sleep. That day she had 3 hours to sleep which was 1am-4am. Can you imagine that? In the next video you do can you mention abit about RED VELVET because right now people are confused between if they lip-sync or not. I also want to know abit about SOMI. ITZY best MIC on moments: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-wObW5a2RP9U.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-lwBF-QwYwBo.html
@samuel379_
@samuel379_ 2 года назад
nah tori's agility is not as good as Mariah's, don't get me wrong, we're talking about crazy, insane agility and they both have it, tori has probably the best agility of this generation (and not only), but mariah's creativity and fluidity are something else, her ability to switch register effortlessly through the hardest runs is just unmatchable, and the complexity of her runs is just insane
@pjmadziejoyful2889
@pjmadziejoyful2889 2 года назад
I agree Mariah's vocal agility is very creative
@kingrodriguez3095
@kingrodriguez3095 2 года назад
I feel like they are on par with each other, but Mariah is a step ahead of Tori. But that doesn't say much since they're both beasts!!!
@pepperdayjackpac4521
@pepperdayjackpac4521 2 года назад
I think you’re confusing agility with musicality. I still think Tori is more agile than Mariah but Mariah just got that musicality to make her runs and riffs spicyyyy (in a good way)
@Sttephy30
@Sttephy30 2 года назад
@@pepperdayjackpac4521 Tori is more agile in the heady mix approach. But is more agile in the chest dominate approach, lows and whistler rigester.
@danjuliano
@danjuliano 2 года назад
@@pepperdayjackpac4521 yupp u're right
@samuel-ge9ut
@samuel-ge9ut 2 года назад
it's kinda ironic for me that twice have a better skilled vocal line than groups like blackpink and itzy, as you mentioned, but they seem so afraid to perform live. and the worst for me it's that they do SO MUCH on studio, like those crazy adlibs in “i cant stop me” or “the feels”, but literally can't/don't do it live even once. and that's what throw me off about them. twice needs a hiatus so their members can rest and treat their mental health issues and also grow some confidence.
@nothing45678
@nothing45678 2 года назад
But that's the thing. Their vocal line saves them during encores (esp jy who isn't afraid) it's the others that just need to train a little more ig /or find some confidence within to do it live
@Sylvaincks
@Sylvaincks 2 года назад
@@haewoniee17 depends on the choreo. In the live ICSM performances Nayeon couldn't even sing the "red red red line", more and more was really hard too (didnt even sing this song live) But they had more live performances in Alcohol Free era
@WillRubert
@WillRubert 2 года назад
Their three best singers are good (in the studio at least), but the next 6 worst singers in Twice are all below BP's average level. Having 6 members that struggle to sing makes it hard to not get criticism.
@Sylvaincks
@Sylvaincks 2 года назад
@@WillRubert uhh idk who told you that but Mina and Chaeyoung > Jennie >Tzuyu > Jisoo
@WillRubert
@WillRubert 2 года назад
@@Sylvaincks Mina, Tzuyu, and Chaeyoung always do poorly on their lives/encores and have a much more shallow and less supported range than Jisoo and Jenny. You don't see them having bad vocals scandals like Mina, Tzuyu, and Chaeyoung all have had.
@santiagobonilla2992
@santiagobonilla2992 2 года назад
I agree with all your points, specially with Twice and Katy.
@drebe96
@drebe96 2 года назад
Have to agree with twice.. sad but true. And also I don’t feel like they represent or stand for anything. They seem like the industry plant for kpop imo. Maybe next comeback.
@yallgonlearntoday
@yallgonlearntoday 2 года назад
The thing is….when y’all TRY to compare these people to Mariah, NONE of them can touch the catalog. It’s not just the singing, it’s what SHE wrote. So line them up, but the music isn’t there for them.
@theshowmustgoon4287
@theshowmustgoon4287 2 года назад
None of them can't even touch her skills and her complex technique
@codywalsh2075
@codywalsh2075 2 года назад
Exactly. Not only did Mariah sing her ass off on these songs, she wrote and produced them. The melodies, the vocal layers, the background vocals, vocal arrangements etc..
@laramiaizz
@laramiaizz 2 года назад
Why do fans of singer-songwriters always talk about the writing when people talk about VOCALS? Taylor Swift's fans are like this too. Are you saying TS's better than Whitney because the latter didn't write? When we talk about vocals, just talk about vocals!
@codywalsh2075
@codywalsh2075 2 года назад
@@laramiaizz lmao it's the fact that Mariah can sing like this but she also wrote it, not easy to come up with all those melodies, vocal layerings, background vocals etc especially when you're making music like Mariah does.
@yallgonlearntoday
@yallgonlearntoday 2 года назад
@@laramiaizz we aren’t just talking about singer songwriters. We are talking about one of the greatest or thee greatest singer songwriter, based on accolades, to ever touch the charts. That’s why. Also one of the vocal trinity who is the frame work for most these singers today.
@brandoncole5533
@brandoncole5533 2 года назад
0:16 THANK YOU FOR SAYING IT SOME PEOPLE JUST NEED TO ACCEPT IT AND UNDERSTAND THAT THERES NOTHING WRONG WITH IT
@chaeryontop21
@chaeryontop21 2 года назад
Your videos and constructive criticism are so good and fair. I have a request, can you please react to Itzy's Midzy live performances and talk about all of their vocals?
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