Mother Murders Two Daughters After Repeated Rejections by Men | Theresa Knorr Case Analysis 

So horrific! Sorry you had to go through this 😔

Breaking the chain of distinction is so very hard! You are a hero to have done it! Good for you!🎖🏆🏅

My mom is just as crazy. The monster always comes out every 10 years and this last one she smashed my head with the tv remote and put a knife to my neck for no reason. So that traumatized me so bad that I hated all humans. I couldn't stand the sound of music or any kind of sound. I couldn't take the bus cause I felt scared of people. I had thoughts of self harm and harming others when I should be harming her. It lasted 3 weeks and one day I woke up and was normal. This happened on March 9th 2022. I still see that knife and it doesn't give me PTSD. Broken woman that have yet learned to love themselves are pumping out 2 to 6 kid.

@@GateKeeper36 wow! I'm sorry this happened to you. I hope you find happiness away from her and that she may never hurt you again 🙏🏽

Life is a lot better with real friends

It wasn't the judge it was the jury. Judges don't convict people jury's do. Unless you are at a bench trial which she was not

@@ForageGardenerAs we all know, jury instructions (that come from the judge) can influence outcome. Not all judges are good.

What about the death penalty?

I believe it.

Fr you'd think common sense would kick in

Happens too often

Authorities are still negligent in far too many cases. Goodness only knows how much abuse went unnoticed back in those days. Shockingly awful case. Cant imagine how mentally destroyed those children are

@@Kevin-Schmevin what's that got to do with anything

What really wonders me is what a horrible woman she was, yet she had men lining up for marrying her. A new husband every year. Just proves how unbalanced the dating marketplace is

@@ZelenoJabko Hmmm. I don't think so. They probably found her attractive (not sure why) and lined up to be with her.

@@moniqueloomis9772 I disagree. Even a 40 year post wall woman can get as many men as she wants

And I can only imagine what those many “boyfriends” did to her poor children 🤦‍♀️ on top of everything the female parent did!

@@Schiffon you have to imagine it because it was never mentioned. It wasn't mentioned probably because nothing happened. Is that so difficult to imagine?

@@frankG335 the drama we did have usually involved me plotting to get my brothers in trouble! I was sneaky lol!!!

Your life is much better than most, even if your material circumstances ever go bad, that's for sure. Did you reply to yourself for some reason? This comment section is total garbage after 2011.

@@melfreemansSame! Especially as I've gotten to know my parents as people and learned how many of the memories of daily life I treasure and draw on for "advice" were conscious choices on their part, and often difficult ones. How do you work out together how to show four children love and support while also holding them accountable, and then allow them the freedom to make their own mistakes while ensuring there's a safe place of they fall? I don't know how but they did it, and while I'm grateful it also makes me quite sad to know this experience is not what the majority of people have experienced. ✌️🍍

@@PFMediaServices I think it's only going to get much worse for kids in the future.

Wow... You're so lucky!

@@brianclingenpeel5123 Brian, I agree!

Yes, CPS or social workers are terrible at protecting kids, they're almost as bad as the mental health profession which are all led by their noses by the DSM which was written by a group in the pay of Big Pharma, to prescribe their chemicals to people who don't need them! It's ridiculous how a system put together with no scientific evidence, can ruin the lives of so many people. CPS is equally bad at doing what it's supposed to and many times worsens situations instead of helping.

GPS is not about helping children it's about profit

CPS fails families. These agencies can't seem to distinguish between children who are being abused and parents who are being wrongly accused.

Unfortunately they interview people In Front if their abuser & the goal is ‘keep the family together’. Sad the authorities fail children like this

No one knew that her daughter was missing, her dumped body was a Jane Doe

They have been incompetent for years

@lafemmefidele They do. That's why you hear about both of them being incompetent

Yaaaasssss’ agree 💯 percent

I've heard of this story a lot and thought about my own mother funny thing is we lived in Orangevale too in the early seventies first Roseville then Orangeville my mother definitely had borderline personality. I'm 65 now and I still suffer from the lifelong effects of her and my brothers and sisters are still in denial things turned out better for them the extended family is incomplete denial and many people that came in contact with my mother actually think that she was some kind of nice person makes me want to gag I was the eldest daughter so I was her scrapbook from the time I was a little girl from the time I can remember like three four definitely three she did similar horrific things she was absolutely textbook I didn't learn about borderline until strangely enough she got an apple iPad and I got on the iPad and was looking at mental disorders I did not know how to use a computer I still don't know how to use a computer but I put in some words like mother who abuses eldest daughter and borderline popped up I kept reading and there it was my whole life story. Just one little antidote there are so many that I couldn't even begin to tell you all of them but the last year we lived in Roseville when I was 15 which was 1972 and 73 she decided to attack me with a large butcher knife I was exactly the same size that she was and so I held her off in hand to hand combat she was very serious about stabbing me with it my younger brother only 2 years younger than me who was about 14 at the time just sat in his rocking chair and watched. The hand to hand went on tremendous struggle with me holding her wrist with the knife in it at Bay at one point I yelled to my brother to come get the knife away from her when I was holding her wrist he finally jumped up and took the knife away from her while she screamed at him not to that he would get the same if he did I was yelling to him hide it hide it and he was afraid to hide it what a chicken s*** at some point I broke away after he took the knife from her but he didn't hide it because he was scared I ran to my bedroom and shut the door and shoved my shoe underneath the door wedged it underneath so that she couldn't open the door it was a boat shoe tennis shoe I held the door knob as tight as I could there was no lock on the door so that she could not enter I used all my strength to keep her out she began to violently stab the shoe she got down in a crouching position and I could hear her stabbing the shoe like a maniac she thought my foot was inside the shoe my father came home from a trip about an hour later or so and she told him I might need to go to the hospital and he came to the door and asked me if I was okay I said yes I was okay I had been calling the local hotline almost every day that year and the year before that telling them everyday word for word verbatim what she was doing I think I had somebody call child welfare and they came out and they did absolutely nothing my mother had thrown everything out into the garage my belongings she cleared out my bedroom and threw my belongings out into the garage I moved them out too was told to child welfare said that all she had to do was let me sleep in the house on the couch that's Orangevale and that was by then 1973 the spring of 1973 just thought I'd like to say. I think they might have asked my brothers and sisters what happened but I wasn't around so I guess my brothers and sisters lied and just blew it off like same thing did exactly the same thing I have since read that this is typical of the other children in a borderline scrape goat situation. I almost found happiness with a young man who was becoming a psychologist he believed my stories but he was kind of selfish and conceited himself and just wanted to go on with his education he asked me to marry him twice but wouldn't get me out of the house became a psychologist but after a few years of working for the criminal justice system in Texas the Federal Criminal Justice in a in a jail he ghosted me basically after 25 years of friendship can't believe it a very sad life.

Incredible!!!!

read that book

Yup! Same. I still have it.

Not always tho. My nephew use to tell teachers I would beat him up, but I never did. He was like 8.

Back then LE, CPS and Docs invariably believed the Parents unless the situation was so obvious that it couldn't be ignored. Even then, the Parent would have had to been practically caught red - handed. All the Parent would have had to do is appear normal long enough to give a plausible story to Authorities. Kids weren't believed back then.

@@Reeeeeee12345 why would he tell teachers that?

@Kimberley Van Leeuwen there has to be some kind of dysfunction going on for kids to falsely accuse parents of abuse. That's not normal. Better to take the children seriously and thoroughly investigate and find no abuse than to ignore a child and allow them to be abused further

@@rosenbaum75 It's not unusual for kids to lie! The Doc here should be able to verify that. Who knows, they see things, they might be trying to get attention, whatever. Not all kids are saints!

Yep! Happened to me. 🙏

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I agree

They are a right that comes with responsibility.

What about the mothers that abort their children before being born? Preemptive murder?

@JustMemes Please explain how prioritizing the rights of children over the rights of parents led to concentration camps. I'd be interested to learn.

@JustMemes It's that kind of thinking. You do not identify " That Kind of Thinking ".

I will never ever put a man in front of my kids. Even if i have to die alone and bitter. My kids will always know that if not with anyone else with me they are the prize and the most important. But when i think about it I’m only that way because of trauma from my mom and wanting to do the opposite.

The women was a sociopath

It's hard to believe but it happens. My mother let my brother and sister and I receive a lot of abuse, physical and sexual, because my stepdad was more important. He abused her too but she wouldn't leave him until he cheated on her. They had been childhood sweethearts and had some sort of intense sexual attraction from my observation but it was clearly a warped relationship. One time when I didn't clear the table on time my stepdad yanked me up from the sofa by my hair and shoved me across the dining room table dishes and all. Then he grabbed me by the throat and punched me in the face. I was a 13 year old girl. When I yelled at my mother saying he was going to kill me, she yelled and cussed at me and said if I had cleared the table on time this wouldn't have happened. In the time of my greatest fear she blamed me and abandoned me emotionally. After the adultery she divorced my stepdad. Many years later when I was in college we had some sort of heated discussion and she said if it wasn't for us kids she'd still be married. Wow. She would rather be married to an abusive adulterer. What a low blow. She had many untreated psychological problems. I now have a diagnosis of BPD, depression, and anxiety. She probably had BPD herself and unfortunately passed it down to me. But God has been faithful and provided two amazing Christian therapists since 1987. I had seen one other therapist when I was young and got kicked out of the house. I'm now 66 and still dealing with my personality disorder and the other psychological problems. But God has brought much healing into my life. My current therapist said we are going to meet as long as we can which is a great comfort. It will probably be his retirement as he's 70 but I try not to focus on that! So, yes, unfortunately some women are more interested in a lover than protecting their children. But I do have to admit this case that Dr. Grande analyzed is the most horrific I have ever heard 😭

It happens more often than anyone knows. I know because I have been there. My mom always had low self estimate and a terrible sense of self worth. She had a bad habit of either marrying or just moving in, sorry and abusive bums in the house

@@tiffanyeyoung1800 Reminds me of the movie, Precious. I know women who refused relationships for the sake of their children, and others at their expense.

I've noticed some mothers in general being incredibly jealous of their daughters when growing up. Dated a few girls where theyve told me how their mom would tease them about the way they looked up or just demean them in general

I think I saw the same interview. Theresa was jealous of her daughters´beauty and that set her over the edge.

I can totally see this being the case... My own 'mother' used to be vicious towards me then my little sister when I had abandoned home. I had another sister but that one was morbidly obese and looked nothing like us. Till this day, if you tell that woman she treated us badly, she will deny it and call us 'ungrateful liars', even when my own cousins and my grandmother use to say they couldn't understand the difference in treatment.🤷‍♀

@@CaptainFracture Sometimes girls sleep with their mother's boyfriends. The world is messed up.

@@luluszahir- I'm sorry you and your sisters endured that awful treatment. It's possible that your sister who became obese might've taken solace in food, and developed an eating disordered as a coping device (self-soothing) when your mother lashed out at you and your little sister. All of you grew up and witnessed abuse at home. Each one of you would react differently - and similarly, in some aspects.

This happened in the 1970s-'80s, so many of the *adults* then would be deceased by now.

People should not be able to remove children from school.

All were in their late teens... Sheila born in 65. Suesan born in 66. William in 67 and Robert in 68. Terri was the youngest - born in 1970. Suesan was killed in 1984 and Sheila in 1985.

The wiki lists the birth (and death) dates of her children. Shiela was ~20 when she died and Suesan was ~18, though it’s safe to assume the abuse had been going on their whole lives. I can’t see any other reason the boys would go along with her unless they had been raised horribly and abused by her the whole time.

And they were all born within a few years of each other.

@@LittleBlueOwl318 Thanks a lot. It's unbelievable how they could be so brainwashed at that age, to go along with these atrocities. Never underestimate the power of fear and bad psycho parenting, oh my.

@@lbj4993 they were controlled by fear

Everyone has that shred of humanity, some decide to even throw that away

My mom, and many others should never have had children. Incredibly sad.

I still believe in humanity. I think Theresa could have been saved and thus so could her daughters. It all comes down to prevention. Thats how we break the cycle of abuse.

Same experience. I realize now that there are many altruistic, kind hearted people, and an equal number of humans who are devoid of compassion, a conscience, have an overall disdain for humanity (and often hate all living creatures), and are driven to satisfy only their desires and needs. Those same degenerate humans are narcissists, and tend to maximize their negative impact on the world and simultaneously satisfying their desire to inflict pain , by using tactics that serve to disrupt and destroy the lives of their targets. They usually pathological liars, scheme to inflict emotional trauma, damage their lives, jeopardize their employment, jeopardize or destroy their personal relationships, destroy reputations by spreading rumours smear campaign, about them in their communities, etc.

Yes, that's why there are prisons and life without parole sentences. For the irredeemable. It's sad but that's life.

Its only in recent decades that its dawned on law enforcement that women can kill.

Sacramento...

They KNOW how he died - she shot him. It's just that she claimed abuse and self defense and got off scot free.

@@MakerInMotion yeah. The women are wonderful syndrome.

I feel like back in the day it was impossible to keep track of people. That’s why criminals or shady people would pick up and leave town, because unless there’s a detective assigned to follow them all over the country, they just disappear and reappear in a new town and start the cycle all over.

It does. Grew up in that kind of an environment myself

Fathers don't seem to have this tendency. Mothers are the ones inclined to throw their kids under the bus for a new relationship.

@@thinkingallowed7042 Fathers often forget about their children completely and just are gone with the wind. There are plenty of fathers like that. It is better than being in the hands of an abusive monster. But fathers can also be abusive monsters and some fathers rape their children so....

Some of the plainest people get multiple spouses

Always find a way to try and blame men huh?unbelievable 🙄

@@katangapr Good Grief, no I not only blamed the men, as I said everyone they told let them down. Read someone’s comment before you start critical responses. The men lived in that house, they had to see something. Social workers and police didn’t believe the accusations, they failed to investigate. So no I didn’t just blame the men.

@@doyeworrell1680 Some abusers are good at putting up an act in public. I also wonder if her bfs had much contact with the children. Given her behavior, it wouldn't be surprising if she kept them apart.

This one really got to me too. Heartbreaking.

Yeah, felt this one, the last one that was somewhat impressionable was Genie (feral child). Interesting story there.

I think it can explain it to an extent. It is to _what_ extent that is the question, in terms of making a moral judgement. The perpetrator still deserves to spend the rest of her life in jail; regardless of that moral judgement. Society has to be protected from her and she has to be made to suffer in order to atone.

Well, being abused (when young) is a MAJOR trend that you see with these monsters. I agree that it isn’t a good excuse to explain away their behavior, but the abuse is DEFINITELY worth paying attention to..

@@reesemorgan2259It does explain it, but not excuse it or justify it. But yes, some people that suffer abuse go on to abuse others. Also not all types of abuse are the same and it will affect people differently.

@@coryjohnson2486The best course of action nowadays I think would be to give more access to good quality mental health to children and adults that want that help and want to get better or have had traumatic experiences. Children especially I think have the potential to recover from abuse if given a chance. Not all of them maybe, but many.

Just garbage ...

Theresa is the one who shot her, not the son and not the other daughter, either. Theresa is a damn LIAR!

Do you have a link? This story is so messed up holy moly

@@andrewbochicchio2232 I am looking right now -- SOMEWHERE there is a lengthy interview with Terry before her own death in 2011 that I'm trying to find... not having much luck but will post it when I do. I think, if I remember right, it was on A&E or something... or maybe an episode of Cold Case Files or even a Dateline interview. I can't seem to find it.

@@LittleBlueOwl318 According to the son's account his mother forced him to shoot her... that was his words. I wasn't there.

god bless the kids that were unwillingly put in this position by god I guess? Odd choice of words..& one of the sons is back in jail for child pornography charges, situations like this aren't going to end well.

@@LuvMyDogFam it's so true. Right now i also don't want to be a parent. It's such a huge responsibility.

@@RedFeather11 I never wanted to be a parent and my husband was fine with that. I'm elderly now and not sorry.

@@diannew6066just maybe 1 hour ago, I was thinking in my mind I don't want to have a child. And now seeing your message. Wow 😳 thank you for letting me know. Yes I don't want to regret as I am 33 years old now.

Was she diagnosed with BPD? If not, please don’t be throwing that diagnosis around like it’s a character flaw or something. It’s a psychiatric illness with a VERY specific set of symptoms on which you have to have a certain number or more - and only then can those symptoms be included ONLY if they interfere with the individuals life… I was diagnosed with BPD, and while, yes, I have worked for years in therapy and only recently had my diagnosis quashed- I still do and will always have borderline traits. It’s something I have to accept and something I will always have to work on. Comments like yours can be extremely stigmatising, and while I personally don’t much care what others think of me when they learn I have BPD: to have people say things like “some people aren’t meant to be parents” when I damn well KNOW what a good parent I am to my 8 year old daughter (well, the best parent I can be, as we ALL are trying to be), and how much love and support there is in my home and what an amazing little confident, hilarious person she has turned out to be. Yeah… that kind of shit I cannot accept. Sure I’m treated now but I still had my daughter when I was at my sickest and I STILL made sure that she was never around me when I had my downswings. Made sure that she was with my husband while I tried everything to cope with my awful intensive depressive thoughts and feelings. You damn well bet I protected her from all of that. I’m not the best mother in the world, and anyone who says they are should not be believed, but I god damn love my child and my family and comments like this now spurs other people on under the stigmatising banner of “BORDERLIENS ARE ALL EVIL ANd ABUSIVE”

Just another reason why we desperately need to keep abortion and birth control legal. Millions more unwanted children means even more abuse and mental illness. Mental illness is going to be the downfall of our country if we don't take drastic measures soon.

@@Aurora-Nyx anyway all borderlines are evil and abusive :/ you made that reputation yourselves and then get mad when your victims call you it. Anyway I hope all children get removed from abusive homes and get healthy, stable parents who can actually love them them.

@@Aurora-Nyx the whole fact of getting angry at someone for stating they were abused by a narcaline parent and accusing them of lying and spreading stigma is literal proof you will never be able to care about others because all you can think about is yourself and your image. I hope your children get taken away from you and if not realize they deserve better as adults. I wish no child had to suffer a parent that lacks the ability to care about them.

@@Aurora-Nyx Stop crying and trying to make yourself into the victim for someone else explaining the trauma they went thru. Your reply exposes perfectly why no one likes borderlines. Someone talks about horrible shit they went thru and you somehow someway find a way to not only invalidate their experience and shame them for it but also make it about you and make yourself the victim. Pathetic, but also typical. I don’t believe for a minute your a good mother. I’ve yet to meet a borderline who wasn’t extremely abusive in one way or another to all of her children that also refuses to admit it. It’s just how you people are.

that was Diane downs Susan Smith was just crazy

i do a lot of those i don't anwser my door unless I'm expecting u i trust no one i never leave my house I've gotten a bit fat but i am disabled i won't even anwser the door for a cop cuz i watch true crime and i know better now i can't have a dirt home or ever harm anyone

Susan Smith case was in 1994.

@@TheBOG3 Thank you for your correction. I was fuzzy on the exact time frame, I just knew it was a long time ago.

@@angiebervinkle9542 Susan Smith was probably "crazy," but I believe she thought her children were holding her back from a particular relationship with someone other than her husband.

*Suesan

@@icturner23 Eh? Why are you correcting the correct spelling of "Susan"?

A better place would have been away from her.

Because all those service favor WOMEN! When will you all wake up?

@@ZelenoJabko we

Absolutely 💯 % agree LD!!

Too many people take sex too casually. I guess the repercussions don't matter and they don't care.

This happens with families like. The cycle of violence tends to repeat itself

Yes, the *majority* of mothers are doing a great job raising their children, whether on their own or co-parenting after separation from their partners. The mother in this tragic case was an anomaly, and her mental health issues and subsequent violent behaviours likely stemmed from early childhood trauma that she experienced or witnessed. I give credit to single/solo mothers who do a good job parenting their kids, despite setbacks, sacrifices, and other challenges they face, with head held high and the strength and ethics to raise their children well. Kudos to you!

Two exes??... uhm

Anger

@@ipercalisse579 - Judge much? Many people have more than one committed relationship during their adulthood, which can span 50 years or more.

Tell us?

Checkout the Robert Hair psychopathic check list.

She was convicted.

😦

Pres. Trump, what are you doing here?!

What border are you afraid to cross ...?

Borderline personality disorder alone is treatable. But throw antisocial and narcissistic personality disorders into the mix and you get an unredeemable monster.

Me too. I remember it vividly as I live near Sacramento, CA

God, that soup sounds gross!

@@elizabethwarman9028 Well, once the soup brand has been associated with a murder, it might spoil your appetite.

Does Knorr also produce the dehydrated cacti in the background?

@@Moon_Metty ooh the brand Knorr is known for their delicious dehydrated cacti! 🌵🌵🌵!!!

Borderline

@@annelikindlund9183 We don't know. But narcissism there for sure.

What really wonders me is what a horrible woman she was, yet she had men lining up for marrying her. A new husband every year. Just proves how unbalanced the dating marketplace is

@@ZelenoJabko Haha true. Men must be desperate to want to marry her.

@@ZelenoJabko - That's sexist and not funny. She must've had some kind of appeal, or she set her standards low, as did the men she wed & had kids with.

They get a lot of impunity.

and insane fathers insane selfish parents in general

@@h0rriphic well said, so true. We have a lot of work to do.

I'm a daughter to a narc mother.. emotionally and physically abusive. I'd say it's worse than having an absent father.

Oh, there are plenty of Married Mothers who are like this as well - poor mental health, alcoholism and/or Drug use is by no means restricted to Single Mothers or Fathers.

Would love an analysis and film review🙌

Ditto! Good one.

Oh that would be amazing

I imagine making cheese to be an interesting occupation - there are many varieties of cheese, some aged, artisanal and very expensive. There are still many repetitive, skilled and unskilled labour jobs and *someone has to do them* - at least until AI or improved automation takes over - then what becomes of those who don't aspire to or have the means ($) to do anything better? Some people don't want a challenge, or didn't do well in school, or couldn't afford college/university, and others simply give up hope. A good day's work is honourable work.

@@wholeshebang1 Yah...I'm with you on that. Especially the part about the cheese making. It actually could be very interesting. But I wasn't thinking about the whole "artisan" thing (in those days, it would likely have been a Mom and Pop/immigrant thing)...I was thinking about the early 1960s and that the guy was probably working in some kind of lousy Kraft cheese facility or something like that. And, like I said, I'm not denigrating working, whatever work you do. Maybe he did enjoy his work...who knows? However, given the way his daughter turned out, I can't imagine that he was anything but a miserable cheese maker.

Because juries often rule from their emotions and she was pregnant during trial. Most likely took the stand (most self defense defendents do)and put on phony crying act.

It's not amazing. Women of any attraction level can get men. It's not that hard. Just gotta have low/no standards.

It’s the crazy. Ugly, obese, stunning, whatever if you don’t have the crazy you won’t have the numbers

Or what makes more sense is there are different levels of attraction, not just in women, but men too.

Love bombing of a borderline to a man who has been primed by familial abuse is pretty reliable

Borderline women are usually legit sexy, and have a dark, sexy vibe. She may have had 1 of the 2.

I agree. We have to stop blaming mental illness for people committing crimes. It’s not always mental illness.

@@frankG335 not sure what you mean but I have raged or abused my kids. I think blaming was somewhat of an issue but not more than what most people do.

either way, I'm going to hell for laughing at it 🤣

It wasn't. She really did call it that

I also read the book. I believe the book was written by Ann Rule? Am I right?

My own mother was pretty bad when going through menopause when she was in her late 40s and I was a teenager. I am guessing that where there are daughters, they are a constant reminder to the mother of the mother's own fading looks.

Menopause? My OBGYN put me on hormonal replacements. Which I took until I was diagnosed with stage 0 breast cancer. But, while I was having my period, I suffered from severe PMS. I was a living monster.

@@Schiffon I am, thank you very much.

@@elizabethwarman9028 Powerful stuff hormones.

That Is why many scientists think psychology is a pseudo science. And as a pre-med, I would agree. It’s conception, history and uses are all pretty horrific. It isn’t any good and makes even the most sensible person seem dumb in front of these ‘professionals’