Mothers of Game of Thrones: Dragon, Lion and Wolf Parenting 

The Take now do an analysis of Lion King Please

It's all Game of Thrones now. I have zero interest. I thought you'd be covering movies. I have just unsubscribed. What a disappointment. (But this IS RU-vid.)

Hello! Is there any way to see the video that was blocked today by HBO? I'm sorry it happened btw, all the work you all put in to it, just to be blocked! At least, I can't see it here in Florida!

hey i see youtube deleted your video about cersei and dany could you reupload it somehow...? i just watched it and it was soooooo gooood but i cant remember all the good points you made!

Because I am damned disappointed.

Rob Chuk - Accurate af lol

Sounds about right😂😂

Cats are "fur babies" to cat ladies.

Rob Chuk OMG, so true 😂

Eh. She still cares for them more and takes care of them more than Cersei ever did.

In the show, it seems like the only dead Starks that matter are Ned and Robb. There's been no mention of Rickon, who recently died; little talk about Catelyn, even though Sansa and Arya often think about her in the books; and no mention of people like Hodor, Maester Luwin, Osha, Rodrick... or even Summer, Greywind and Shaggydog, who were all loyal to the Starks and protected them til the end, even when they didn't have to (in the case of Osha). I know time is limited but there should have been a moment for the Starks to reminisce about their mother and baby brother.

@@elle19ism I agree!

BECAUSE she was shit at parenting. You can't blame the children for it when they don't recall your lessons if you didn't give them anything to cope with life🤦🤦🤦

Sıla Gülcemal she wasn’t that bad. She was a teacher mom, and not cruel in any particular way except to Jon. And by the looks of it the majority of her kids are still alive unlike most of the other mothers. She obviously has issues I don’t think they had family therapy back then but she’s the most successful mother in the show for a reason

@@possiblymaybe6711 Just point out what exactly did she teach? To anyone

Rhi Is A Bean true tho lmao

RIGHT?!! 😂😂😂

Notice how season 5 was the last season based on the books...

@@boobooismine1 Oh, I noticed

...character...development..?

A great line!

Natural mother instincts

Cersei grew up without a mother too; although she would have had multiple adult women in her life growing up

@@ziva9266 primarily servants, since Aunt Genna was written out, so I guess that kinda explains how she ended up so screwed up. What I meant was Daenerys is the only one to grow up with any female role models. Catelyn and Cersei would have had servants, septas, or female relatives to provide them some understanding of motherhood, while Dany only had her abusive brother. It’s very telling that Dany managed to be one of the better moms (for a while).

Jdg 98 Their scenes together in the Blackwater episode are some of my favorite “game of thrones” scenes, ever!

Zachary Taylor mine too. It was one of the few episodes I’ve rewatched multiple times

Blackwater was also one of the episodes that GRRM actually wrote himself. Coincidence that it has excellent character driven scenes *AND* a kick-ass battle? Eat it, D&D.

The very fact that Sansa was _not_ her child, not a lion, not someone Cersei wanted to show her kind of love to or manipulate to love her - these are the reasons she was *able* to show Sansa her darker side in the first place.

Exactly! I was so sorry for Sansa but at the same time, she learnt so much of Westeros from Cersei.

Can't wait for father's day

Hmm. Tywin, Ned ,Davos, Stannis, Roose Bolton, Randyll Tarly, Jeor Mormont, Balon Greyjoy, Walder Frey and that Craster monster north of the Wall. Yeah, Ned wins that one. It's like GRRM hates father figures. He hated his grandfather for abandoning his grandma. As it turned out, by DNA analysis, that guy left because his wife (Martin's nanna) got pregnant by another man. Martin thought that his grandfather was Italian. It turns out that his real grandfather was Jewish.

@@jmchez jeor and Davos are fairly good parents I'd say.

@@otterhero6229 good surrogate fathers

That could be a very short of very LONG video depending on what they're talking about (short for positive, long for negative).

Joffrey was probably going to turn out the same way anyway but I definitely agree with you

Happy mothers day

she acted so extremly because of the prophecy.. that she'll loose all of her children

I DON'T understand why anyone would think that. She cares about herself above all else. She claims she cares about her kids, but if she did she wouldn't have done even half the things that she did do.

shes narrcistic. "she was mine and you took her away from me". Her children are status symbols and that is the reason she loves them.

She would DEFINITELY ask for a manager

I laughed out loud. Definitely, the kids at university who call their mom when at the bookstore or housing office.

Raciat trash, worse in fact, cause youre ll hypocritical racists, worse than regular racists because you spew bigotry deluding yourself that youre “woke” and good people (youre not).

my name is Karen..I don't understand your comment though

@@kckazcoll1 would you like to talk to the manager? 😂

I don't think it's going to be, in about 5-6 hours...

Looverse well yeah.

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@targarynka They are talking about show Cat

She did care about others, but no one trumped her children.

Google: The order of the Green hand: why Cathlynn sucks... They also have some decent sh!t to throw at Sansa too...

targarynka she actually is compared to all the other people in the story. Look how she treated Brienne and others Cersei would never and if were being real others like Cersei would’ve just killed Jon. Even GRRM said Catelyn wasn’t especially cruel to Jon except that one time when Bran had just fallen and almost died. She would really just ignore him and he isn’t her son so I don’t know why if people think it was so bad why Ned doesn’t get any of this blame that’s your nephew why allow your wife to verbally abuse him. Catelyn wasn’t perfect but definitely a person who tried to be good and a good mother to her kids.

@@StoryStreamAI thank you for making some sense over here

women don't owe you love. just because she is a mother doesn't mean she has to love every child.

That didn't hurt her children in any way

Lmfaooo people really hate that Catelyn was mean to Jon like who cares it had no affect on the story categorically. Tbh it probably saved Jon’s life if he wasn’t so brooding he probably would’ve stayed in winterfell with Robb and joined the war of the five kings aka the red wedding

This is not intrinsic to her character though, since it's only something from the show.

I do not think you need to love someone to be a good mother to them, be it your own children or not. Cat could have been a good mother to Jon while hating his existance, if she had managed to surpress acting on that hate due to him having no fault. However, i disagree with some of the other commentors here about weather or not it harmed her family that she was no mother to him: I think her being a mother would have changed Jons story a lot, and the story of some of the others as well. Main reson for Jon to join the nights watch was that he saw no other futur for himself. He knew Cat would never allow him to make anything of himself. Had Cat cared, she could have found a different part for him to play. She planned ahead and prepared Robb to become a Lord, Bran to become a knight, Sansa and Arya to become southern Ladys. She could have secured a position as a squire for Jon with her uncle, for example, and then found him a lesser noble house with only female heirs that would take a husband with no name of his own, willing to carry on the brides house name. Like the Mormonts, or the Manderlys. With Jon not at the Wall, but with Robb during the war, maybe Robb would not have had Theon as his sole close friend and might have been a little more ready to listen to Cats warning about sending Theon to his father. In general, Cats bad threatment of Jon has at times seriously damadged her relationship with Arya and Robb. Actually, if she had been less horrible to Jon, maybe Ned would have eventually trusted her with the secret if Jons parents.

Lauren Rocha Same. She loved all her children but her love of Robb was special, because she had him to care for during the long months of Roberts Rebellion while Ned and most of the men were off fighting and she was alone in Riverrrun...it’s such a touching story and then she watches him die horribly at the Red Wedding...oh god that killed me

Bruh, you're making me think that maybe Lady Stoneheart will be the one to give life to Jon, in the same way Berric gave up his life for Cats

I loved her chapters because it felt so real. And her perception was really something to admire. Her mind worked on overdrive even when she was in the middle of a massive depression.

No michelle is non hateabel there was no way they could make u hate michelle they made catelyn understanding and the most realistic to women with cheating men and shit issues then anyone in the show and Michelle nails this .

And Jaime and Oberyn

And roose bolton

Fathers only love their children if they live up to their own ridiculously high standards. A mothers love is unconditional, she will love you no matter what you do or who you choose to be, whilst fathers are more selfish in their aspirations for their children and cruel in their judgements. Just look at how Tywin was around Arya compared to his own children. He treated her with respect whilst he constantly berated and put down his own children because they didn’t meet his expectations.

Stanis was the worst father of all series

The hound...

She's one of those grandma's that kick ass and take on the care of her grandkids and treats them almost more important than her own kid(s). Definitely the best grandma/mom.

Is she tho? Look at how Mace Tyrell turned out. She thinks he’s a fool. I would say best mother to Margaery only. She puts down Loras often. She’s only good to Margaery and only teaches her how to function in game of Thrones. She sort of disregards any male family members.

She is grandma 😂

@@Jocelyn_Jade The Take has another vid on how House Tyrell is very much run by and in support of matriarchs; the men are seen as foolish, the women shrewd. Whichever opinion you hold, they definitely seem to pull the strings behind the scenes, and a lot the family's vertical moves (marrying into royalty, securing alliances) seems to rest on the women's shoulders. This would explain why Olenna has a much stronger bond with her granddaughter than her own son, or Loras. Game respects game or rather, breadwinners respect breadwinners.

Yeah behind the constant derision she shows to mace, olenna really did love her son

That's where the show fails its viewers in how they perceive Dany. In the books she mourns for the girl, but by the end of the chapter she doesn't remember her name because she is a Dragon and Dragons don't worry about that stuff.

@@ninethreefivesix That's why i'm glad she didn't became queen in the end

Scarlett Vlogs nah, the second they ran out of the novel material, is when the series became bad. But it became worse by the start of season 7

gen v She didn’t die hating Jon. In season 3, she admits to Talisa her guilt at not caring for Jon enough and being unnecessarily cruel to a motherless child who felt all alone and unloved in the world. She clearly feels regret and remorse for her actions and if given the chance to meet Jon again, she definitely would have apologised and tried to make things right between them, regardless of his real parentage.

@@sitamun7598 oh yes I do recall this conversation and I'm just fantasizing about what could have been. They could've had a great dynamic

No, because he was always reminding her Ned's betrayal (and also from her point of view, brought shame on her because of that)

He is a bastard

@@ramonapiercesalvatore5917 no he is not he is Aegon Targaryen , son of Lord Eddark Starks sister Lady Leanna Stark and Raegar Targaryen

yees she was one of my favorite characters, good player of game but with good heart :)

Yesss, she was my absolute favourite, and I believe she could have had the potential to go all the way was it not for the high sparrow (aka the actress wanting to be written off desperately) 😪😪😪

Do you think of it as a good thing or a bad thing?

You gonna scream *"WHERE ARE MY CHILDREN"* when they get lost in the supermarket?

@@finnheisenheim8274 lol. I wanna see that

Wolves are weak alone too. The lone wolf dies but the pack survives

Arya is not weak alone,nor Jon,Sansa survived despite being alone.

@@apieceoflife2732 yes that's because I. The show, and I the video, Cat taught how to be independent and didn't hide them from the world but I stead used it to helped them learn.

@@apieceoflife2732 well Arya isnt a wolf....she is apparently NOONE..

They survived alone.They are not weak alone.

Yuki D. Soulassassin she is a mother, she lost her human baby but raised three dragon babies, same as when humans raise puppies and watch them grown into full adult dogs.

Every freed slave literally calls her Mhysa, which means Mother. This show is better when you pay attention.

hmmm... Remember, they aren't really her children in the strictest sense. They are more like clones because their father was her twin. She sees them as parts of her own body, and thus as tools for self-advancement. She does love them, as another person might love her legs or her hair. That's why Tyrion compares her love of her children to her cheekbones. Cheekbones aren't a redeeming quality. He's using the second clause of the sentence to undermine the meaning of the first clause. Just as cheekbones aren't a redeeming quality, so her love of her children is not a redeeming quality: he recognizes that it is little more than vanity and practicality. Tyrion understands that Cersei cares only about herself. That is actually what causes him to miscalculate her actions in the end: he thought they'd convinced her that she was threatened by the wights. Though the show slightly undermined this by having the threat be completely stopped at Winterfell, making Cersei's estimation of her safety correct: and making the entire Dragonpit drama totally unnecessary plotwise.

@@sophiejones7727 actually they are not her clone-children. Cersei and Jaime can only share around 50% of the same genes, they aren´t identical twins and share as much genes as regular sister/brothers do. So her incest kids aren´t clones, they don´t have genes that are only hers. Only identical twins share the same genes to 99%, but they could never procreate, as they have the same gender.

I think show-Cersei loves her kids, just think about the way she talked about myrcella... but book-Cersei...book-Cersei is way more crazy and narcissistic as show-Cersei

@@annajansen6945 I meant only that it's as close as you could get to cloning in the story world. I do know that :).

Yeah cersei only sees her children as an extension of herself. Whenever she mentions her love of them, it always follows with *they were mine*

I feel you, same here. Here's to being and finding the mothers we need.

It was a shame to not include the only Matriarch we have ever seen in GoT.

Awful !! Soccer Moms living their lives thru their kids

exactly.. some of her 'children' have gone through a good path but other are rebellious but they all love her deeply

She's also a very young teen mom

LOL she did care more about Jon Snow she just met than her supposed child Viserion getting killed 😂😂😂😂 WHAT A MOTHER

@@SG-pu3rx I agree, no matter how often Dany calls them "her children", she treats them more like a pet. It's kinda weird to compare Daenerys to the mothers of GoT.

@@MrLarva-sn7tz more like as if they were flying garbage bags. Much like how Jon treated Ghost last episode but at least he was good to him before while Dany has been this way since s4

Well, Ned allows his daughter to fight, but he still said to her that she will marry a noble and bear his children ^^ But yes, if a Stark girl wants to learn fighting, they can, Arya and Lyanna do. It's just that they are supposed to be good wifes and moms nontheless, North is a patriarchal hierarchy too (except Bear's Island, maybe ^^).

Yeah, I was going to say that the Starks are patriarchal, but Ned may be a bit more progressive than most. He gives his daughters more freedom than Tywin gives Cersei. Tywin wants to use Cersei like a pawn to gain more power and influence.

@@JessCausey I don't think he's progressive, it's just that he likes a lot Arya who remind him Lyanna, so he accord her that caprice ^^

Exactly! I loved The Take's vid on House Tyrell.

@@krankarvolund7771 Nope.Ned is progressive.He wouldn't have allowed Arya to live the way she wants if he was patriarchal or toward Cat as his equal.

Haha so true😂

Sorry, this vid is about actual thought and insight. Post your lock-step conformo-trope whining about the show on other channels. It’s all they do now.

Sadly true

Nitpick Chick that’s exactly it. We see the rushed and lazy writing. Instead of building up to a villainous character, as GRRM would do if it’s book canon, they’re going for the less nuanced “all it takes is one bad day.” Daenerys has always been more Maegor the Cruel, than Mad King Aerys, to her enemies that is. But remember “Madness and greatness are two sides of the same coin. Every time a new Targaryen is born, the gods toss the coin in the air and the world holds its breath to see how it will land.” - GRRM

It's not so much her character and her interactions by themselves, but her family history and her inbred bloodline. "When a Targaryen is born, the gods flip a coin. Greatness and madness are two sides of the coin."

one very good film critic said also that its crazy what they have done to Dany, and honestly she has right to be mad , and its not even good move what they did to her, because like this critic says all this comes out of nowhere, but then again you know they have done idirty to all female characters in the game of thrones, Sansa and Cersei are acting also like Dany in the season 8, show started out with very strong,smart and good female characters and now show is full of stupid,egotistic and bad female characters, and I am upset because I loved these characters.....and they ruined them ...I am saying honestly that I didnt even watch the last episode anymore because all this is full of disappointment

Its more that she's trying to save people that don't need to be saved. The north doesn't want her, Kings Landing is safe with Cersie ruling it. She had been told all her life that they will cheer for her and want her and that its her "destiny" She's learning that its not true and she isn't breaking the wheel

The books do a great way of showing her internal monologues - hint she's going mad in the books and is desperately *losing* a battle against madness.

P.D.: It's _so strange_ to see an image of Betty Drapper compared to Daenerys. In the sense of... I get the point, and at the same time... Oh, god.

It is heartbreaking. i hope they can get it together.

In a similar boat, though I think I'm close to opening that door

I feel you.

Good

still recovering from that wreck

So mad. Terrible, terrible, out-of-character writing. I honestly feel so bad for the actors. They deserved better. We all did.

sunshine merlot that’s so true it’s kinda painful

Ever heard of putting a "please" at the end of your demands?

Narcissist at it's finest :D ... She is literally the Greek Narciss

In the books she returns from the dead as Lady Stoneheart to avange the murder of the red wedding ;)

@@sensunory Yeah I know, everyone knows, why are you winking?? That's not even a part of my comment whaaaaattt

All The Artsy ah in case you didn’t know! Aaaaand to only use one eye while typing.

Wow...that must be an interesting dichotomy, and by interesting I mean traumatic :-( I can commiserate.

Still cant watch the red wedding.

She was the best mom :-)

And remember Tywin's death