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We being our porting and performance series today with the Firestorm Zeda 80 (a.k.a The Triple 40)
In this video I will examine the motor, setup the degree wheel, measure the port timings, and break-in the build.
Stock performance during break-in on 26"wheels with a 36t sprocket.
Top speed 29mph flat ground at about 5000rpm... This is not as important until after break in, as the motors alway run better after the 1st tank.
Engine kit: www.bicycle-en...
Road Map after break-in:
Part 2: Stock top speed, 15mph to 30mph time.
Repeat test with pipe.
Part 3: First cut, retest performance.
Part 4: Bike Berry Deluxe/WC80 pipe vs MZ65 Clone
Part 5: NT vs. PZ19,20, and 22 Carbs
Part 6 Advance Porting
Part 7: TBA
We upload motorized bike videos every week (sometimes more)!
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Oil: 32:1, semi synthetic, random brands.
Gas: 87oct
Spark Plug: NGK B8HS (yd-100), NGK B6HS (pk80)
Parts: I buy mostly from Amazon.
Favorite Motor: Zeda (Firestorm) Triple 40
Favorite Carburetor: NT Speed
Favorite Bike For A Motor: I don't have one yet.
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27 авг 2024

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@codelicious6590 2 года назад

I would love to see us come out the end of this series with good ballpark numbers for optimal port timings! There is literally nowhere on youtube that has even attempted to put that kind of specific info out there for everybody. Of course I realize that every one is not going to be exactly the same, and different people will be using different parts, however with some baseline numbers ALOT of folks can be helped out and I think its a great idea starting from the stock outta the box like this! I look forward to seeing more, thanks!

@LAHover 2 года назад

Based off of every cylinder I have work on in the past, we will be able to give a safe universal cutting measurement that should work well on nearly any motor, without the use of a degree wheel. I'll be sure to include it early in the series.

@dacianazerinity2052 2 года назад

I really appreciate your videos, I just got into the motorized bike game myself, it's been an amazing hobby, I also have a 47mm piston 40mm stroke (not a Zeda but a BFG bottom end) with a bunch of frankenparts. Funnily enough I'm about to get a new cylinder (not a G4 but should still be good with any luck) and was going to have a friend port it and it's nice to see the process going into what is needed to find timings and get a baseline for porting it. Thank you so much for everything you do. You've given a lot of great advice and it means a lot to me that you keep persevering and trying new things. If you're interested, the full setup is a Trek Mountain Sport 800, 6 spoke mag wheels (still going strong so far) w/Michelin Protek Cross tires. 11 front tooth 32 rear secured w/12.9g bolts, the engine is a BGF 80 "super racing" bottom end, basic cylinder (changing because the casting is complete potmetal, and a high compression head running a 63 jet on the "racing" carb (19mm Runtong). I'm hoping to get a felt faker frame at some point w/adjustable damping forks and see how well it rides after. Hope you have a great day, and safe travels on your break in! Looking forward to the next video!

@nahnotforme9819 2 года назад

I've had this engine for 1 1/2 years and zero issues with it. Tough and very reliable little engine.

@KenC56mm 2 года назад

Your top dog man. You are helping the motorized bike hobby a grip! Thank you. I love your new gas bike frame, it looks amazing. All your bikes are cool but that one by far is my fav.

@paullehman8652 2 года назад

His channel is completely honest and gives an objective view on motorized bicycles and puts these engines to real world tests

@fullmetaljacket7 2 года назад

I was waiting for this one! This is top quality content. Thanks!

@LAHover 2 года назад

More to come!

@bryduhbikeguy 2 года назад

Perfect timing for this video.You seem to be humming right along with this series already.Thank you for taking your parts and skills in hand to show us what we could do to have a better chance at making our motors better with power,and efficiency too.

@richiej2640351 2 года назад

That’s what motor I’ve had for I’d say atleast 500-700 miles and love it and it runs freaking great. Of course I jetted it put a pipe on it but other than that and light polish/porting it’s amazing little engine

@sundial6919 2 года назад

I have 4k miles on a Kasei 1e48f 63cc powerhead , 2.2k miles on a Zanoah g430 and only problem besides very light maint was broken starter rope on kasei at 600miles and new fuel lines and filters , also dismantle and cleaned Walbro carb on Zanoah cause fuel line cracked at filter in the tank . Ive had both these engines 2 1/2 yrs , never been inside of them and whats amazing is they both run better than new . I primaraly run Echo Red Armour oil and can only get 87octane non eth fuel so i use octane booster to around 91 octane seems the sweet spot at 32 : 1 mix .all street miles I want to try these type engines but when i do i want a really hi quality outta the box engine , but china dont seem to take us seriously . Had my eyes on the new moto 85 but the cylinder has tiny fins designed for forced air and they already have wristpin trouble . Wish Japan or Taiwan would notice us as china dont give a sxxt

@raymondsoutherland245 2 года назад

Great video, thanks for sharing your knowledge. I like the new bars.

@justicerowell9186 2 года назад

The triple 40 firestorm edition is a great motor one of these day im going to start posting videos as well for fun. Thanks for being the badass you are bro

@LAHover 2 года назад

Go for it!

@413MassDigger 2 года назад

Awesome vid man, thanks for the info!! Lots of great vids in the beginning of this vid..

@yzstormer 2 года назад

Nice video, might help me someday. Keep the work up!

@NicksBikes 2 года назад

Why I love the Path Dragon in 116 seconds!

@LAHover 2 года назад

Still kicking :) I have a fun project planed for this old zeda now that the 49mm is on the path dragon ;)

@NicksBikes 2 года назад

@@LAHover can't wait!

@sundial6919 2 года назад

Nice vid man . Ive shyed away from these types engines but now wanna dive in if theres truly hi quality outta the box long life engine already on the scene or hopefully come out in the future cause im tired o gettin caught in the rain w friction dr

@SpAcEcruizer203 2 года назад

i wonder why the longer the vid the Less veiws one gets Why is it Like this Sir Hover !!

@LAHover 2 года назад

Although length does play a part in views and watch time, it goes much deeper than that. Here is a great video that covers video length in detail, if you are interested :) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-uh2ZoxpiYm8.html

@SpAcEcruizer203 2 года назад

@@LAHover dude did u hear california govenor is trying to ban small engines lawn mowers ect by 2023 lol thats insane right ?

@LAHover 2 года назад

@@SpAcEcruizer203 Man, that gov clearly does not cut his own grass lol... Sorry you got to deal with that mess man!

@SpAcEcruizer203 2 года назад

@@LAHover no im in the east coast but eventually it will hit all the states im assuming?

@willardbuchanan9122 2 года назад

The zade of Firestone is a good motor

@michaelbrinks8089 2 года назад

To try and get more life out of my gas tank mounts and clutch hand lever pin. Before installing, I put some JB weld around the base of each gas tank threaded stud (sanded a bit,cleaned, added JB weld) and a little dab of JB weld on the bottom of the clutch lever pin where that flimsy aluminum washer is. I seen some people using a dab of solder. I'm not sure how much longer it'll make it last but it was only 25 cents worth JB weld.

@LAHover 2 года назад

Good call

@keeganhache6667 2 года назад

Hey hover I had a question. Two stroke ports said “good luck with your free motor get something better”. He also said that it’s gonna take a while to catch up to me as far as testing motos. Why does he hate you? I thought you guys shared knowledge.

@LAHover 2 года назад

I think I'm his new target because I asked bicycle engines for supplying a motor to the series. Out of nowhere he started commenting on one of my videos about how I can't possibly test as much stuff as him... So I called him out on it, and he exploded!

@keeganhache6667 2 года назад

@@LAHover man oh man hover I just want you to know that your a good dude you actually help people out. He just makes quick vids doing nothing. Keep making videos and in my opinion he’s lashing out at you for no reason.

@LAHover 2 года назад

@@keeganhache6667 Thanks man :) means allot. Stay safe builder!

@chickenchef3219 2 года назад

0:57 lol, the engine kept on running. I no longer need to worry about engine problems in wet conditions :) thx

@LAHover 2 года назад

So long as you don't let them sit and rust afterwards, they handle water just fine :)

@a.m.bgarage.everydayprojec9665 2 года назад

Could you test the bike berry deluxe expansion chamber? There really aren’t any videos confirming it is a decent pipe, or it exists at all. Could you please try it out. Thanks.

@LAHover 2 года назад

I will test it up against the mz65 clone. Probably in this series.

@randomprecisionmotors3130 2 года назад

Going on 2 years of pretty steady riding with my Firestorm, and in that entire time, besides the usual stuff I tighten/check every 3rd ride, today in fact I had to tighten the Flower Nut, as the clutch was slipping quite badly whenever I'd try to popstart it, other than that it's running great!

@timothyray8887 2 года назад

Great content..can u please tell me what mud flaps or fenders i can get for my cranbrook..the bike hits about 35 mph top speed i only weigh about 160lbs..lol so its plenty fast enough with the motos engine kit which i think is a pk80..nice strong,grabby clutch..i just need some wheel fenders from amazon just not sure which one to get..thanks for all of the great videos! You really know your stuff man!

@LAHover 2 года назад

Although I don't recommend fenders for bikes over 30mph, I have these on two cranbrooks and they work great. Portland Design Works Sodapop MTN... www.amazon.com/dp/B003LRAVWQ?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

@LAHover 2 года назад

I use the 64mm ones.

@timothyray8887 2 года назад

Thank u for the info..by the way what was your top speed that u got with the phantom 85 on the f-zero?

@LAHover 2 года назад

@@timothyray8887 Never got to really open it up, 38mph when the bushing failed.

@joshuagerlach6943 2 года назад

I just bent my left handle bar up by putting to much force on it while trying to take off really hard from a stop... sometimes I’m happy stuff breaks,, it gives me an excuse to replace it with something better.

@alexs3075 2 года назад

I love your videos I have a seeutek 80cc that's my daily driver for work any tips to keep her running good. Only had one spark plug go bad yet after 200 miles would love your input

@robertr2132 2 года назад

Same here. I didn't have any plug go bad but I put a new in and I'm at 800 miles on mine and it is running great! I would really like to keep it that way! If you or anyone has any tips since I am learning small engines with this I would really appreciate it!

@alexs3075 2 года назад

@@robertr2132 I had the factory plug go bad after replacing it no problem just like new

@raymondsoutherland245 2 года назад

I have put around 1500 miles on my Anbull 100cc same plug. I did have to replace the fuel tank, my 3 liter tank developed a leak. Mixing gas and oil is important 32:1 to 40:1 will make your plug last longer.

@alexs3075 2 года назад

@@raymondsoutherland245 thanks for the input. My plug wasn't covered in oil or junk it was just cheap Chinese made. I used the proper oil to gas mix for the brake in and after but I love how you inform people gas mixture it's very important for 2 cycles never run without oil mix.

@LAHover 2 года назад

Honestly I can think of much, the only major part to fail on my was the head cracked. Other than that she just keeps on ticking :)

@christophernicholson4061 2 года назад

How well you think this would run. This is a 49mm piston. And Made it a case reed engine. The numbers I got with my degree wheel is a 170 exhaust and a 140 transfer?

@eugene5438 2 года назад

Great video, thanks! You mentioned that the carb they use has it's downfalls with the jets. Will some of the other carbs out there work to change it out, or is this engine limited to only using the carb that comes with it?

@mrrednick81 8 месяцев назад

What oil to gas ratio did you run on brake in just curious 16.1-20.1-32.1 -

@motorizedbikeenthusiast6880 2 года назад

Do you think you could try port work on your 50 cc motor and see if it makes any difference?

@LAHover 2 года назад

I'll try to touch on it in this series :) but cutting into one will probably come later down the road.

@thebossgamer2774 2 года назад

You should try the anbull 80cc

@seagreenspiral 2 года назад

Whats the longest a engine kit has lasted you?

@LAHover 2 года назад

5 Years and counting on my first Seeutek. 3 years and counting on the Zeda 80

@jemsantosp932 2 года назад

How to buy

@jamesroberts3041 Год назад

Hey buddy I just wondering if u no I got a yd100 I have had it about 4 years I bought the phantom 85cc kit off bicycle engines I got the jug piston and needle bearing for it but the needle bearing want fit because they change the rod on the crank hole little bit to small I looked ever where for the rod or the crank do u no where I Can buy one

@shanemcguire9980 2 года назад

Hello. I have heard you talk about the speed carburetors. I just added another carburetor to my Amazon list and it says speed on it. The reason I had to order a new carburetor is so I could get the idle adjustment screw. Bike Berry is sold out. It's a common OCCURRENCE with bike Berry.."SOLD OUT"

@LAHover 2 года назад

Great little carb for stock and lightly modified motors IMO. hopefully your shows up as pictured, some sellers are a bit shady :/

@austinbeachy3772 2 года назад

Update on the 85?

@LAHover 2 года назад

New one is on the way with an upgraded bushing. From what I was told, it sounds like they are still testing the updated motors before putting them back up. Will keep you all posted.

@Jmateo12 2 года назад

Interesting... I'm new to this stuff. What is the "blow-down" term (the 14 degrees)? I'm still trying to understand and amazed at how engines work. Currently using oscilloscope and pressure transducers to plot how engine pressures work (especially the 2 stroke) and their waveforms.

@logainfalsedragon3587 2 года назад

Blow down is the 2 stroke term that's the same as valve overlap on 4 stroke motors

@LAHover 2 года назад

Sorry for the late reply. Blow down is the amount of degrees between exhaust open and transfer open. Will cover it more later, but in general the more blow down the better. As it allows more time for the exhaust gas to escape without mixing into the intake charge.

@willardbuchanan9122 2 года назад

Are you planning on putting a reed valve on there they run really well with it

@LAHover 2 года назад

Yes, in this series.

@richiej2640351 2 года назад

Odd my firestorm didn’t come with that crappy clutch handle

@LAHover 2 года назад

Good deal, the older trigger locks worked well. These new ones got to go.

@richiej2640351 2 года назад

@@LAHover yeah, I agree. I don’t know or seen one video where someone doesn’t say there crap.

@EricInWestVirginia 7 месяцев назад

Hey LA, I was wondering if you had some (extra/junk) parts you could spare in order to get my china doll up and runnung again? I can pay for shipping Please ...

@Roberto_4273 2 года назад

Can I try it with a yd100?

@kelel47 2 года назад

How long did you take to break it in from when you first road it. I'm new to this and wanted to know break in time for a new engine

@LAHover 2 года назад

one gallon of 25:1~ Than I move onto 32:1, or 40:1 if you are using HQ oil

@babuskarashuka8651 2 года назад

What bike are you using in this video?

@LAHover 2 года назад

The F-Zero for bike berry.

@babuskarashuka8651 2 года назад

@@LAHover Very cool I love that the gas tank is integrated as the frame. I do not love the price tho would you say that it is of quality compared to similar priced bikes as far as the other components?

@paullehman8652 2 года назад

Since I have only gotten into motorized bicycles a little over a year I have only been given g4 cylinders in every motor I have had since it’s the new cylinder style but I don’t like it I would rather have one of those old school closed transfer port cylinders with the crude casting it seems as if they run better from the videos I’ve seen

@LAHover 2 года назад

The older style cylinders are good, it's just hard to find a good one these day because the molds used to cast them are worn out. :( ... the last three I got had bad port castings which have caused bad timing and low performance. My Seeutek has the old style cast off a still good mold and it rips :)

@paullehman8652 2 года назад

@@LAHover yeah I ordered one couple months ago and had to return it because it had so many defects in the casting I want one bad

@paullehman8652 2 года назад

@@LAHover how can I make a base gasket if I have gasket material for my yd100 if I just have the jug

@CMReborn 2 года назад

Hey, i need some help with something. So i lost the little piece of metal that goes into the little notch the drive gear has on it. Do you know what its called by chance?

@LAHover 2 года назад

Woodruff Key www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07ZQFJGZ1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_image?ie=UTF8&psc=1 auto part stores will some times carry them.

@CMReborn 2 года назад

@@LAHover thanks dude👍🏻

@the_cajun_redneck4110 2 года назад

Can you do the monster 90 four stroke kit?

@Saddletramp1200 2 года назад

Hi, I have decided I am going to leave the E85 alone.300.00 is to much for what it offers.

@redneckinventions8733 2 года назад

What angle is my motor supposed to mounted.

@LAHover 2 года назад

Your not so much limited by the angle of the motor, as you are by the angle of the carb. At some point a steep angle will start messing with fuel delivery. Ideally you want the top and bottom motor mounts to set as flush on the frame as possible to avoid stressing the frame.

@redneckinventions8733 2 года назад

@@LAHover I have been watching 1 motorized bicycle peformance tips he shure does like to brag

@LAHover 2 года назад

@@redneckinventions8733 It's his thing, live and let live I guess... Just be carful if you try to give him a compliment, he might take it the wrong way and explode. If you try to explain it was a compliment he will double down and make it worse.

@ObamaoZedong 2 года назад

Damn this motor went up $30 in the last 3 months!

@chizi7456 2 года назад

Hi do you know if it’s possible to add a kickstart to motorised bikes?

@LAHover 2 года назад

Not without a machine shop.

@chizi7456 2 года назад

@@LAHover would you ever consider trying to fit one

@keeganhache6667 2 года назад

He unsubscribe to 100 people he told me. I was one of them lol. Like I thought he was a good builder but now he just seems upset all the time

@LAHover 2 года назад

I think he had an injury that makes it difficult to ride anymore. Now he has all this knowledge on bike motors that he can't use for him self. I don't know what the man is going through, I just hope he gets better.

@awdrifter3394 2 года назад

How high can these motors rev?

@LAHover 2 года назад

out of the box they will top out at 5,500rpm~. Porting can get them as high as 11,000rpm~, but you will need to balance the crank if you want to go higher than about 7,000rmp Will be covering this info in more detail during future videos.

@awdrifter3394 2 года назад

@@LAHover cool. Look forward to more videos about this motor.