Movement in Tekken 8 is... weird. 

.....please tell me you are joking. If not, just in case: DOES THIS MORONS WATCHED ANY TOURNAMENT OR EVEN HIGH LEVEL PLAYER STREAM. WITH THIS BIG BREAK WINDOW YOU FRIKIN HAVE TO BACK DASH ALOT TO EITHER CREATE WIFF PUNISH SITUATION OR MAKE YOUR THROW TIMINIG AS UNPREADICTIBLE AS POSSIBLE!

Well as a King main myself, in my experience, it's about space creation while being able to block...You can't do that with jaguar step alone. Getting away from someone with jaguar step usually ends up with you getting hit with a mini float combo at range zero; if they decide to go for a good mid poke with forward momentum. So KBD and BD in general were way better options for King. But now, with King's BD super nerf, you can't create any space fast, and I hate it. So I started backdashing once ~then immediately~ backwards jaguar stepping.

@@Concealed.Revealed Exacly. It's more like gimmic, hard read or unpredictable risky bet. Nowear near to be alternative to KBD and BD.

To be fair, I've run into this Tekken King ranked King in T7 a handful of times, and that guy exclusively used jaguar step to create space. I don't think I saw them kbd even once.

The devs need to stop pretending that they know better than the actual high tier players of the game.

TBH that's cus he's THE King

I think this was true in t7 as well, no? It makes sense considering you lose stance if you want to use any more movement abilities.

Lili's gameplan is predictable as hell, you're gonna need that movement when you can't open people up for shit

Maybe so new players can freaking play the game without reading a textbook on how to move. Complexity for complexity sake is not intuitive

It always gets better if you do it slower, so not really. Some characters have the luxury of canceling "too soon" and still getting distance

I expect some characters to have better distance, but I'm talking optimally where you get the most distance/time like a FPI. It's also been a long day and my brains partially fried so feel free to ignore me.

Also as a King player I died at "why are you backdashing" XD

Seriously tho, it sucks that certain characters who were made specifically for defense play with whiff punishing and counter hits are much weaker than already aggressive characters like Jin

@@sobervision1049 Jin is a generalist-THE most complete generalist. He was always good at defense and turtling too, especially in T7 since his right leg moves were almost ridicolously overtuned as neutral control and keepout tools for most patches and, even when nerfed, were still amazing. The most whiff punishment-centric characters were Heihachi (who's gone), Kazuya (who has received some tools to compensate), Bryan (who's a keepout god but also has great pressure tools), Hwoarang (same as Bryan) and Armor King (who was a generalist like Jin but had inferior tools in exchange for better combos and throws, and who's probably in DLC jail). All other defensive forms of gameplay were chiefly gimmick based with stuff like Asuka parries, Maven disappearing in thin air or Yoshi's flash. That shit is still in the game, turn stealers are still very much a thing. Personally I would've preferred making good movement easier. I think a game where you don't need to KBD but you're just spamming normal backdashes and sidesteps and still getting big wide movement is inherently more interesting than shitting out plus frames with heat and then doing some mix, throwing enough shit at the wall that some of it will stick. It's boring and it's more akin to what 2d fighters do. I was really hoping T8 would have simplified movement mechanics and bigger movement for a lot of reasons, including helping casuals get into it, but it seems like they just want you to spam your big plus frame particle effect move with no flaws and then do a 50\50, which is pretty fucking lame.

Buttons are qanba gravity KS!

Kazuya always should have had the best movement of all the Mishimas and Jin. Heihachi was brute force, Jin had better speed than Heihachi but needed flurries instead of one two power attacks like Heihachi. Kazuya never had Heihachi's strength or Jin's speed and pokes, he's never been able to outstrength either of them. That's why his pokes are worse than either and his power moves aren't as strong as Heihachi, but he is the original Devil so he should have more inhuman movement, and it also should be part of his human game. His body was broken multiple times as a child and an adult, he should rely more on not getting hit and landing calculated shots.

​​@@NYG5Tekken Tag And Tekken 2 Kazuya Could Hit Very Hard Compared to Modern Kazuya.

I don't think it's hard to do. It's just a proper skill and requires training. It also shapes so much of Tekken's interactions; players moving on a certain "rhythm" are sometimes easier to fight. Pakistan and Korea almost have completely separate rhythms, and that's heavily built on KBD!

@@PhiDX Ok, that does sound pretty cool.

Not needing to us one thing, being UNABLE to feels worse imo

This law is a Bit Heavier due to possibly being Roided . The old law of Tekken 4- 7 who is leaner would be more Agile. This law is like Super Vegeta a Bit

Knee NEO Premium

they're not ready for the jack-offs

No

Yes

That's just brain-dead, give him a parry

Wah wah

​@@mou5ecophe has a parry. F1+2 is a punch parry in T8

Grapplers having worse movement is like a fighting game staple. For a grappler, King has excellent movement

Having good range is a reason _for_ a character to have a strong backdash, not an argument against it. Otherwise, you have Gigas in T7 (great range, but good luck capitalising on it as he can't backdash). The way you balance a character having great range is to have them be piss-poor at contending up close, otherwise you end up with post-release Fahkumram.

I main King - I don't want Jin movement - I just want his movement to feel responsive and not need a half second delay between every backdash input. And you have to admit inputting b, d/b, b moving him forward is jank. If they took Jack movement and then multiplied the ground covered by 60% or whatever seems balanced, I'd be happy. Then we'd have a backdash that covers less range but doesn't feel like shit to do 😅

@@davidparry5310 no the problem with fauk on release was he has amazing movement and insane range. Nobody could get in on him and up close he killed you with guard breaks and mixups that were pretty safe until they nerfed him. Giga's has great range but not good buttons,terrible oki and a trash game plan. The only character with great range and buttons is jack 7 and duk. Its hella annoying to get in on them but once you do life is a lil better. Now imagine that with kings new power crush.

@@8bit_pineapple so you want the best movement in the game but 60% faster. Okay bro we love king over here but don't let bias creep to much. In t7 we couldn't side step cause king was to swole now we can ss like the tekken gods intended. Ss>kbd we already eating good.

So, not identical

you mean unique? lol not identical. Which i do like

Yeah I'm sorry, this was meant to be "unique", not identical

Its complete trash, this idea of making backdashes sluggish, its another big dump in the throat of longtime skilled players

@@Boro87 some characters backdashing more sluggish then others is an amazing way of differentiation between characters/forcing a player to play a certain way. Don't talk for veterans if you don't know, they adapted a lot already between previous games for this to be too challenging or frustrating. This doesn't in any way nullify player's fundamentals, heat system and certain new moves do, but not backdashing

Where's my boi steve?

Yes, and depending on the character there will be more of a rhythm to it and it is slightly slower input in general. They felt too many characters had a similar backdash cancel in 7 and the high amount of inputs interferes with rollback

Ikr, what the fuck are they even saying? KBD skill negated for king. How often do you ever see MBC, Poltan or Lil Majin use backward JGS to create space? but somehow devs think king players spam the hell out of that shit. iSW is a literal joke now with how easy they made the f,f,f input for iWR moves in this game. T6 had very strict timing even for iSW combo enders and T7 kept the same difficulty but with the combo ender difficulty removed. Now in T8 good lord, the input window for buffering the damn thing is larger than the grand canyon. Really now, where is the difference between my execution ability and someone with less than 10 hours in the game? fucking joke is what the devs are doing when they say and think they 'know' the players

He's all I used and I agree.

​@@amitypredator9385it's the whole game bro. Feel like Tekken 7 vanilla where you just can't move.

@sky-oq5mr it even worse for Bryan. And the bad thing is, it seemed like most players realized it. I had a jin, Kaz, Law and claudio staying dead in my face every time I backed away to make space because they knew they could get away with it. Characters like Raven , are even worse. Don't get me started on the jailing moves too!

I was a foolish noob lol... but also wanted to compare to the other video previously

Sober up and try again

​@@2tontonygalento63go watch maximulian review

@@2tontonygalento63 The game on my PC was sluggish and felt like crap despite prioritizing response times in the settings and having firm, max FPS (59).

Pc master race

Le bad?

The beta did not have every character

@@PhiDX ah. Thanks for quick reply. As my main is gone (Lei) and need to find new.. one option is King, but I like backdash 😆, so would need one that can move as an option… Zafina might be good?

hoping for updated list 🙏

If she can't cover the distance, it's not as good. It feels amazing and is fun to do but if she has to backdash 7 times to cover jack's 5, they're not on the same level

@@PhiDX yeah i totally agree with you and you placed her exactly right when comparing her to other characters , i was just thinking with her backdash and reach, playing a xiaoyu mirror match might feel the same as a jack mirror match haha

I see, this is a backdash tier list though

@@PhiDX lolol

@@PhiDX It doesn't change the fact that he's still not an S tier character in many regards... the only thing that they buff are his pokes, his Soulzone Stance it's leagues better than Master Raven's Haze Stance because the transition of moves are coming quicker, but he still has no 15 frame launcher or a solid 15 frame punish, his hopkick remains to be a joke of a oribital heel, but that's all fine because not every character in the game should have the same tools, so he still remains to some degree very unsafe. His one good low down 3 use to be plus but got nerfed, so now his neutral lows are't very solid and all of his stance lows are launch punishable. All of his shadows are 14 frame punishable so it is more in the opponents favor to interrupt him, he also lost his Magic 4, d/f4 and qcf 1 no longer launches on hit or counter hit, his backturn grabs are gone, because you can do now only generic grabs from his BT. So they turned him into an unsafe character relying mostly only on his mix ups gimmick to do very good with him in the right hands of use of course. So when most characters in this game are mix up characters they just get more reward and less punishment. If they at least made some of his shadows -12 on block then I think that it would make him a lot better, other than that he's gonna rely mostly on his Shenanigans. 🤷🏻‍♂️✌️

@@DavidLucian I see. This is a backdash tierlist though, not a character strength tierlist

Good

Nerfed?? King got buffed like crazy 😭 😭 mans got insane tracking on his throws and unbreakable throws in heat lol. Stop downplaying. And btw he has the cheap Jaguar step that evades most attacks better and faster than regular t8 backdashes anyway so what’s the problem.

@@awaisakram8573 Naah, ure not a King player dude

@@awaisakram8573 Yup. I play king, but tbh he is so cheap in tekken 8. That unbreakable throw in heat is so cheap and takes like 30% damage of the opponent.

@@awaisakram8573 I won't bother mentioning his backdash, as that's the obvious tip of the iceberg. With that said. King's lost launchers: CH db3 CH ff1 (This is admittedly still strong with the guaranteed elbow) SS2 natural (This should never have been a thing it's SO cheap in 7, but still) CH b1. He now has to commit to the -12 double high string. His CH shove (ff1+2) now scales back the damage of his follow up considerably. He already had the weakest guaranteed wall damage in Tekken 7 and they nerfed his wall travel along with his wall damage. And now with the nerfed heat system he pretty much cannot use heat to extend combos in 75% of scenarios. In exchange, he got unbreakable, conditional throws, better power crushes, and that crazy heat move that deals 64 damage. Also they made his muscle-armor follow up -9 so it's safe, and he got the universal buff to his side step. This likely isn't everything (for example f+1+2 got faster and better), just the main noticeable things. But basically, King's lost his fundamentals and they doubled down on his weaknesses. Overall it's really difficult to say he's buffed. He got more gimmicky in exchange for gutted neutral. And history has taught us gimmicky grapplers generally do not do well in the long term.