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MSD 6014 VS Daytona Sensors Smart Spark LS FULL COMPARISON | Carb LS | Carbureted LS
Today We will be going through all the pros and cons of the Smart Spark LS ignition module made by Daytona Sensors and the more well known 6014 ignition box made by MSD. Although the 2 boxes are very similar and share several features, the strength of each box comes in the form of the differences between them. This took a lot of time and research to make so I hope you guys enjoy the video and decide for yourselves what you should run on your carbureted ls swap.
Another Failing MSD 6014, This Is Why I'm Switching | Carbureted LS | MSD Ignition
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DIAGNOSING A BAD MSD 6014- Step By Step Troubleshooting | Carbed LS | Carb LS Swap
After a good year of running my Carbed 5.3, the MSD 6014 that I had installed in may of 2019 finally gave out and I as super mad. I don't even think the carbureted ls ran for more than 10k miles before the MSD box gave up. When people do LS swaps, they do them in hopes to gain what they don't have in their original engine, in this particular case, reliability. Since I daily drive my truck every single day, I need a bullet proof set up so when this MSD box gave out, I got on the phone with their tech line and had them send me out another one. Carb ls conversions are supposed to be easy to work on and straight forward, but if the quality of aftermarket parts make the process of installing a holley carb or demon carb difficult, then what is the point?
#MSD6014 #CarbLS
Today I'll be showing you guys how to set up your MSD modules so you can get your LS swap project running! Any questions feel free to write them down below! These instructions should work for any MSD Box models 6010, 6012 and 6014. The main difference between them(as far as I know) is that the 6010 and 6012 take specific reluctor teeth to work and the 6014 auto detects and adjusts. Price wise they're almost the same, but the 6014 is a bit more expensive. Hopefully this will get your Carbed ls swap running! The Carb I'm using on the LS is a Holley 600 Vac Secondary. Manifold is a Holley dual plane manifold. This set up is a 1975 Dodge D100 Body with a LM7 engine. Process for an LQ4 and LR4 will be the same for you ls carb swap!
Holley HLY-300-130 Dual Plane Intake Manifold- Went with the dual plane for more TQ at low RPMS, the Edelbrock one looks almost the same, but I wanted mine to say Holley lol.
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Комментарии : 95   
@tonysajkowski3534
@tonysajkowski3534 Год назад
Fantastic comparison great info thanks
@gdtengine3935
@gdtengine3935 2 года назад
Hooked up my 6014 box brand new due to its compatibility with my holley super sniper stealth and it will not read CTS nor will it give me a crank RPM signal on my handheld... spoke with Holley on phone troubleshooting the sniper for nearly 2hrs and the sniper is not the issue. Only thing left is the 6014... wish I'd have seen this video before I purchased. You put in a lot of hard work and info and I truly appreciate it.
@NightWrencher
@NightWrencher 2 года назад
Thanks man, I hope you are able to work it out!
@mikef-gi2dg
@mikef-gi2dg 3 месяца назад
That was an interesting side by side comparison. I have been using MSD stuff for decades, and so far I have had good success. Sounds like bad results has soured you on MSD. If their (MSD) quality has dropped, it's completely understandable, when you lose faith in something, it's hard to get it back. I hope Daytona deliverers the Quality you EXPECT, that would be a great thing. I personally have been dealing with HIGH END electronics for a very very very long time. When I started messing with auto electronics ect...a long time ago, I took the easy route on grounding and wiring. I broke a lot of rules, and I was lucky it worked at all. I know better now. I would STRONGLY SUGGEST, that if anybody, hasn't checked out the Holley and MSD videos on wiring and grounding, do it NOW. I expect it may help solve a bunch of problems. It is that important.
@chuckg3517
@chuckg3517 Год назад
A lot of good info thanks. Also watched the video of the SSLS running your 4.8 on the stand, using the rear cam sensor. Older videos, so curious to know if you ever switched to the front sensor? Or did it run fine on the rear? Building a 5.3 Gen 3. And trying to decide if I’ll keep the truck intake or switch to a carb setup. Part of me doesn’t want to deal with a lot of tuning. Then again, I would also need a 4L60E controller if I went with a carb.
@NightWrencher
@NightWrencher Год назад
I never ended up swapping, it just wasnt worth the money to me for something that already works. If you're running an auto, a 700r4/4L60 would be the easiest swap. Otherwise, you'll need a trans controller
@lucysmith4242
@lucysmith4242 3 года назад
great info great video
@NightWrencher
@NightWrencher 3 года назад
Thank you! Much appreciated!
@Mfil
@Mfil 3 года назад
WOW! I was not aware of the ( possible ) issues with the rear cam sensor signal on the Daytona Controller. Hopefully the rear cam sensor will work with the Daytona, i will be waiting on your next video on the installation an results. Front sensor conversion to much $$$
@NightWrencher
@NightWrencher 3 года назад
I'll be hooking it all up tomorrow so we will find out!
@NightWrencher
@NightWrencher 3 года назад
The new video is out in case you wanna see all the action of how its hooked up!
@sharons9367
@sharons9367 3 года назад
Can’t wait to see once you have it all hooked up how it performs 🙂
@NightWrencher
@NightWrencher 3 года назад
Thank you! Pretty soon!
@sharons9367
@sharons9367 3 года назад
@@NightWrencher msd stands for. My spark disappeared
@NightWrencher
@NightWrencher 3 года назад
@@sharons9367 🤣 oh man, ruthless
@NightWrencher
@NightWrencher 3 года назад
@@sharons9367 I got that run video posted! Check it out! Sounds great!
@sharons9367
@sharons9367 3 года назад
@@NightWrencher ok thanks will do 🙂
@332ARA
@332ARA 3 года назад
I wanna see someone tear open an MSD to see whats inside
@NightWrencher
@NightWrencher 3 года назад
UPDATE #2: The SSLS Adapter Harness to go from a 6010/6012 Harness to the SSLS Box DOES WORK on the MSD 6014 Harness BUT IT HAS TO BE REPINNED. WIRE LOCATIONS ARE NOT THE SAME. Confirmed by Daytona Sensors Tech Line. Part # 119004 shop.daytonasensors.net/t/control-box-adapter-harness-smartspark
@coolmo676
@coolmo676 3 года назад
Mines not strating up you think you no why
@NightWrencher
@NightWrencher 3 года назад
I would start by checking the basics. Did you just plug in the 2 plugs and try to start it?
@coolmo676
@coolmo676 3 года назад
@@NightWrencher yea I did
@NightWrencher
@NightWrencher 3 года назад
@@coolmo676 you made sure the box has power and ground? Do the lights on the box light up?
@coolmo676
@coolmo676 3 года назад
@@NightWrencher no don't no how it's no loose wires on the plug to run ground or postive
@somethingsimple2.071
@somethingsimple2.071 2 года назад
Can u tell me what you did as far as your fuel setup I’m doing a carb on my ls in a 90 c1500
@NightWrencher
@NightWrencher 2 года назад
I have a video on installing a TBI fuel pump inside the tank. A holley blue or something similar should also work. A summit one is like 80 bucks
@Cubanmax6.6
@Cubanmax6.6 Год назад
Mister 1 question : if i use this daytona box in a 4.8 3 gen engine with rear cam sensor will work well and just have issues with the start or wont work at all
@NightWrencher
@NightWrencher Год назад
It will work well, that what I have on my boosted 4.8 gen 3
@Cubanmax6.6
@Cubanmax6.6 Год назад
@@NightWrencher but i have email them and they said that wont work , and then i see yours working so i dont understand why they said wont with the rear cam sensor , man this msd shit have me crazy 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️
@claytonwhitehawk2252
@claytonwhitehawk2252 3 месяца назад
Does the MSD work with efi stuff? Or is it carb application only? Looking to get one for my bolt on LS1 with spray for my trans am. But unsure if it’ll work with the efi stock style intake
@claytonwhitehawk2252
@claytonwhitehawk2252 3 месяца назад
Want two different tunes. One for motor (advanced) other one for nitrous (retarded) and on the fly if possible. Without having to do it manually
@NightWrencher
@NightWrencher 3 месяца назад
No, neither system can control EFI. You'll want to look at a different system for them
@gagedecker1382
@gagedecker1382 Год назад
Does the Daytona kit have the tac wire?
@NightWrencher
@NightWrencher Год назад
Yes it does. It produces a standard GM square wave compatible with most after market tachs
@carllattimore8227
@carllattimore8227 Год назад
What could be the issue with msd 6014 when you get exhaust afterfire? It's fine at idle but afterfires at raised rpm.
@NightWrencher
@NightWrencher Год назад
What do you mean exactly? Back fire through intake or exhaust?
@carllattimore8227
@carllattimore8227 Год назад
@@NightWrencher Backfire out the exhaust. It idles fine but begins to do this if you give it any throttle.
@NightWrencher
@NightWrencher Год назад
What does your wideband read? Rich or lean?
@carllattimore8227
@carllattimore8227 Год назад
No afr hooked up yet. Ran the same carburetor on a sbc 350 and distributor with no issue.
@kevinkeeney3295
@kevinkeeney3295 11 месяцев назад
Hey Kevin here I got a question for u. I recently just switched my carburetor to efi fi tech. On the theottle body efi I need a coil wire. By chance do u no how I can get a coil reading off the daytona smartspark that I'm running?? Or which wire I can tap into to get a reading off the fi tech throttle body
@NightWrencher
@NightWrencher 11 месяцев назад
I am assuming the fitech system needs a coil wire to determine RPM so if that is the case, the smart spark produces a GM hei square wave rpm output that works with most Tachs and modules. I believe its a white wire.
@kevinkeeney3295
@kevinkeeney3295 11 месяцев назад
@NightWrencher it only has 3 wires for initial startup. The 3 wires are a tach which is blue. The black wire is a coil and red for power to battery. I have the tach wired to the daytona smartspark which was easy. Just don't no how to get a reading from coils itself
@kevinkeeney3295
@kevinkeeney3295 11 месяцев назад
So should I just splice the coil and tach wire from the throttle body efi to the white wire off the daytona tach wire and it should give me a reading?
@kevinkeeney3295
@kevinkeeney3295 11 месяцев назад
It says with external cdi box with timing control the black coil wire connects to points input wire from cdi box. If ur running a box without timing control its not used
@NightWrencher
@NightWrencher 11 месяцев назад
Going by what the manual says, blue goes to tach and black is not used
@rodneyhodgson2068
@rodneyhodgson2068 2 года назад
Can the msd harness be trimmed? Or does it have to be factory length?
@NightWrencher
@NightWrencher 2 года назад
It can be cut and spliced just remember that the longer the wires, the weaker the signal. If you're going to shorten it then that shouldnt be an issue
@rodneyhodgson2068
@rodneyhodgson2068 2 года назад
@@NightWrencher Perfect! Thank you! I am going to shorten the harness and run it through a firewall Deutsch connector, I just wanted to double check. Thank you again!
@Nevercouldfigureitout
@Nevercouldfigureitout 3 года назад
Do they offer other products that replace other stuff in the MSD line?
@NightWrencher
@NightWrencher 3 года назад
Not too many other things. I'd have to go 1 by 1 to see how universal they were but as I was going through the catalog I didn't see anything that jumped out at me. P.S. your carb is done
@vvvv-lu8zi
@vvvv-lu8zi 2 месяца назад
Any update on this daytona set up?
@NightWrencher
@NightWrencher 2 месяца назад
I have several update videos on the channel. Theres a playlist for it as well. The newest update was from last year or the previous year.
@332ARA
@332ARA 3 года назад
Do you think the biggest problem is off road use for the MSD? I have a street cruiser.
@NightWrencher
@NightWrencher 3 года назад
Well I can rule out heat and water damage because it was located in my glove box inside the cab installed on the provided insulators. The only thing I can assume is the box loosens up from the vibrations. For a street cruiser I'm sure you'll be fine
@332ARA
@332ARA 3 года назад
@@NightWrencher I haven't run my MSD yet. Still build the swap. Unfortunately I bought it second hand out of warranty. I hope I'm not screwed. If needed does MSD repair old boxes? I guess at that point I crack it open and see what's up. Also I have the edelbrock intake with MSD mount. I thinking of relocating the box. Does the SSS have the same bolt pattern?
@NightWrencher
@NightWrencher 3 года назад
If you bought it second hand, all bets are off. They'll test it for you at a charge, but if its bad they cant fix it. If you dont mount it on the manifold you need to block off the holes because theyll leak. The SSLS has the same pattern and they even sell a conversion harness in case your MSD went out
@332ARA
@332ARA 3 года назад
@@NightWrencher Well I haven't run it yet so hopefully I have no issues. If it goes bad I'll drill out the rivets and see what's inside. Fingers crossed. Or if you are brave you could open your MSD for a video (once out of warranty of course)
@NightWrencher
@NightWrencher 3 года назад
I might do that. On my old 6AL box you can replace one of the transistors that causes a no spark condition
@chrissimmons8122
@chrissimmons8122 3 года назад
With Daytona box will it work with my lq4 6.0
@NightWrencher
@NightWrencher 3 года назад
It will fit an lq4 or any gen 3 engine no problem
@NightWrencher
@NightWrencher 3 года назад
It cannot control the automatic transmission
@xjbeater8638
@xjbeater8638 5 месяцев назад
What about map sensor?. I didnt hear you go over that. I think the msd has a two bar if im correct.
@NightWrencher
@NightWrencher 5 месяцев назад
The MSD uses an internal 2 bar map sensor that can not be serviced and the SSLS uses the stock 1 bar map but can be swapped to any other map sensor like the delphi 2, 2.5 and 3 bar map sensors
@xjbeater8638
@xjbeater8638 5 месяцев назад
@@NightWrencher thanks bro! Answered my question
@NightWrencher
@NightWrencher 5 месяцев назад
Any time 👍
@ronnieenglish8241
@ronnieenglish8241 2 года назад
So how is the smart spark holding up. .
@NightWrencher
@NightWrencher 2 года назад
Flawless up til now. Did a 6 month review a few months back. Gonna do a 1 year review soon
@ronnieenglish8241
@ronnieenglish8241 2 года назад
Which of the two would u recommend . I'm wanting to do a Ls carb swap. . Really appreciate your advice !!
@NightWrencher
@NightWrencher 2 года назад
Well, I had issues with the MSD but a lot of other havnt had issues but they also dont drive as much as I do so id say if you want something that youre gonna drive every once in a while, get the MSD, if youre gonna put a lot of miles on it, get the SSLS
@moedog07
@moedog07 Год назад
Is the MSD LS6014 a multi-spark like the 6A box?
@NightWrencher
@NightWrencher Год назад
From what I have seen, it is not
@332ARA
@332ARA Год назад
BTW. the MSD board is potted
@vvvv-lu8zi
@vvvv-lu8zi 5 месяцев назад
Every electrical components are from china Assembled here or there no difference
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