the "weird nausea" about old stuff is such a perfect way to put it. Having fun in ways you used to have fun as a kid, when you're on your own as an adult, is so uncomfortable. It just feels like you wasted everything just to be right back where you were but sadder.
There are homeless people who are happy and laugh every day, and there are billionaires who kill themselves. The world is not black and white and happiness can not just only be produced from external factors
@@DISTR4CK Then it wasnt the video. It was you shoving that stuff you knew you needed to confront into a locker for too long, and suddenly you couldnt lie to yourself anymore
i like how this clip starts out with Nick trying to do social commentary but once he starts talking about the Simpsons he's sucked into the gravity of his own anhedonia, and then it just dissolves into 7 minutes of his depression rebuffing every single attempt that Adam and Stav make to point out his accomplishments, uplift and encourage him, or point out the ways in which he's being irrational / using binary thinking.
I would look for these moments in the semi early eps through my earlier years in addiction / depression. It’d be ridiculous, which is how I think and am anyway, but insanely relatable.
Honestly hearing someone switch into that mode of thinking, from the outside, really helps me to keep from doing it myself. Like I must have been that guy so many times in college.
All generations think that the generation before condescended to them. The Lost Generation thinks the Baby Boom generation condescended to them, the Baby Boom generation thinks the Roaring Twenties generation condescended them, the Roaring Twenties thought the same thing about the turn-of-the-century people, and so on and so forth. Everyone thinks their problems are unique but they’re really not. Everyone is, indeed, gay.
The implication is that Nick is standing on a bridge overlooking a railroad and Adam & Stav are trying to talk him down from leaping beneath the wheels of an oncoming street car.
Nick is just prone to depression, I completely relate to everything he said, and when he said “being terrified to die while also embracing it” I laughed, but as corny as it is and as jaided as you are you need to force yourself to look at the positive, it really does make a difference, and it’s a hard habit to form and sometime it can feel douchey but being miserable and thinking about death all the time is not a fun way to live.
@@qojte I’ve felt the same way, the truth is you have to really WANT to change to make a change, so if you really want to become positive or have positive outlook you will find a way, but you have to really want it, I can’t stress that point enough. Ps I used mdma to get ahold of my depression and it helped me get out of a 5 year opiate addiction, it’s not for everybody but if you’re a severely depressed person like I was it’s something to think about, it helped me. It doesn’t give you all the answers but it can give you a lot of tools that can help, again it’s not for everybody.
Yea think about death constantly and all that definitely is not a way to live. I know it firsthand, still struggling with it. Might have BPD, not sure though, also not entirely hopeful meds will help. I do see what you mean though with having to really want to change your outlook and all that.
3 unmarried men who abuse drugs and food talking about how gaming is bad, then saying nostalgia is bad, to which their fans view, despite it being a nostalgic clip because it’s 6 years old, is awesome.
There’s 3 wolves inside of you, Nick is ultimately the most correct. Stav doesn’t really know what’s happening. Adam legitimately will become a Disney adult. All 3 of those wolves are gay btw.
The idea that everything in your life has to be in some way meaningful, or serving some higher purpose, is just another flavor of existential anxiety IMO.
I'm still working through this, but an almost insignificant amount of anyones life is impactful in that way. Lying in wait for those moments is living in hell. You have to make your monotonous day to day as passively enjoyable as you can, because really that is life, it's all you get, minus a couple hours of excitement. And you have to really figure out what is enjoyable, long term (ie not gaming and not cocaine). That being said, it is hard to dig yourself out of a cynical rut, especially after wearing it deeper for years and years.
Adam going "It's Capitalism!" and the other two telling him to shut the fuck up is a perfect summary of how this conversation goes down with me and my friends lmfao
Not to sound straight or anything but ever since I heard this I cringe everytime my buddy wants to play madden or someshit. I barley watch tv now. Now I’m just an alcoholic who watches cumtown (RIP) clips
if you get rid of the comforts modern life tells you to indulge and distract with, it hits you how sad just living and working can be. When I lost video games because I had to work, the idea i could play them again later made me realize how dull they were. Same with tv, movies, food even. I dont even get excited to have good food anymore and i used to love to cook.
@@TruStoogeDrew. Don't be a dick to your friend because of a gay podcast, drinking and listening to podcasts is just as regressive as playing video games, Nick is talking about creative output and general fulfillment, not just trying to not look like a baby.
Man was never meant to live this way. You spend 18 years growing up, building a community with bonds of friendship and love with friends, family, and then every one jets off across the country to pursue higher education and some vague sense of "career." Then you're in some new city, far away from your friends and family, trying to form new bonds, but as an adult your ability to form meaningful bonds is completely shot, so you end up always being alone even in a room full of people. You can't make new friends, you can't find love, you almost never see your family. And when you do see your family or old friends, it still feels hollow and lackluster. We were better off a hundred years ago.
Recently dropped out of a prestigious out of state college so I could go to the in state colleges with all my high school friends. It was really lonely at the out of state college even if I was in a room full of people so I decided it just wasn't worth the fancy degree.
Nick is both extremely depressed in this, and also completely right about the nostalgia trap we’ve all fallen into. You can still have your dumb interests, but there’s still something to be said about going out and living a fulfilling life. I grew up loving Star Wars, but watching grown adults cry tears of joy for a trailer to a new movie is not healthy. Also it’s clear the Podcast was holding these guys back. I think Nick is the more talented of the three, but Stav was smart enough to realize it was time to move on.
You have to make new friends. Something i realized is that i constantly go through friend because they all move on to other things and leave me behind ever since elementary school or middle school. It might not even out of malice its just how it is.
But you can still be disappointed by everything because deep down you still want to be 11. Nick is not mature, just conscious of his own arrested development and depressed by it.
Age 19/20 I already had this sense. Couldn’t stomach more than a bit of the games music and entertainment I used to like. I think part of this feeling and the feeling of lost-nostalgia stem from modern children having such a connection to their entertainment sources in the western world.
I think the most depressing thing when you get older is that your realize most adults arent any smarter than kids and in fact, a lot of adults are like kids. So it was always funny as a kid thinking that all adults are better than me and all adults have it all figured out. I shouldve said "fuck off" a lot more as a kid. Damn. Missed opportunity.
I still haven't let go of that opportunity I had. I'm pathetic asf and a huge coward for it and many other things. But fuck man I'm pathetic for not believing in myself essentially
I think the sad thing is now people just expect that its normal to stop mentally growing after their high school years. Like, we have this weird cult of youth where nobody feels they're even allowed to grow up because they'll lose something. its ok to not be a kid, and "adulting" or doing responsible things shouldnt be treated like a chore. Like, pay your bills, clean your house, and then buy some cigarettes and whisky, and drink alone and accept who you are. People will try to normalize watching cartoons into their 50s before they adopt some stable adult-vices and hobbies. Your old, stop skateboarding, start writing, stop playing videogames and start whittling. If you buy nintendo shit, it should be for your own children, not for you.
@Barnaby Jones I feel the same way about gaming at 23, its like locking yourself in this synthetic mirage of reality that can no longer satiate you. Its what I imagine something like a Tiger or Gorilla experiences living its entire life in a zoo
The regressive shit where you try to recreate the years you were happiest as a child misses the mark because those things are done. They’re dead and shouldn’t be resurrected. You miss the feeling of being excited by every new thing, and the only way to get back to that is to just get that back, somehow. I guess probably through some kind of zen or advaita or stoicism or some other meditation or contemplation based tradition. You definitely have to think about death a lot. I’ve realized what was missing but it’s very hard to work on simultaneously having an adult sense of self-awareness and responsibility while relearning a way to be childishly happy and excited about life. That’s what enlightenment is supposed to be, I probably won’t ever achieve that but I’ve thought about the philosophy of traditions like that a lot and tried to actively practice it, and sometimes I think I notice myself doing better at it.
Very well put. I think this is why people come out of psychedelic trips and have newfound appreciation. Everything being familiar yet new because of the reality-shattering experience.
The first six minutes are startlingly accurate. The interesting part of this is how Baby Boomers don't acknowledge any of these afflictions, but pretend they don't exist, ramping it up. Whereas, Gen X'rs are more understanding.
Found out since that nobody invests in America, so most college grads go in extreme debt to ignorantly await unemployment. Boomers are the first generation to unlovingly leave their kids nothing, like ancient Egyptian assholes. The future is corporate poverty or regular poverty in America. Also, the girls are so amazingly selfish that don't settle for anything less than a millionaire, totally wasting their ovaries.
skip forward to now, stav is doing very successfully touring. as easy as it is to be cynical, being positive and just plugging away consistently, works. him and nick are the tortoise and the hare.
I just got a ps5 thinking I’d enjoy it but ugh, nick is so right. Too many adult thoughts. Truly feels like I’m just passing the time, and waiting to die every time I turn it on. The weird nausea hits hard
I used to find comfort in surrounding myself in nostalgic memorabilia, or stuff even before I was born, but eventually it started making me twice as depressed because I was constantly being reminded how these things were dead and slowly disappearing. Made me see how toxic of a mindset it can really be if you let it.
I went back and downloaded super mario sunshine the most nostalgic game of my childhood and could only get frustrated with how dated it felt until i hated it and all the negative feelings took over the good memories and now its not even a nostalgic game anymore xD
I’ve been selling off all my old childhood possessions, video game consoles etc. Revisiting them in my mid 30s is depressing and selling them off has made me feel better about my whole existence.
And now NIck and Adam are killing it with TAFS and Stav went full time with the stand up, they all found projects and things they are honing. Proud of them.
Yeah, I feel like Nick making the observation that dumb bullshit absolutely KILLS in modern stand-up, really resonated with Stav and made him realise it was possible for him to make a living mentioning that he's fat and loves sex.
Nick describes very well why I can't enjoy "packaged humor" (standup, sitcoms etc). Even if the observation is original, after a while you start to get turned off by the formulaicity. I used to enjoy British panel show "9 out of 10 cats", because, in addition to all the prepared bits, sometimes you'd see the humorous "emergent" interactions between panel members. Nowadays all I notice is packaged humor formula for your average TV viewer. That or my autism and depression got progressively worse.
Something made me genuinely laugh out loud yesterday for the first in probably months, shit is whack. I've got almost complete anhedonia, it's really hard to enjoy anything that isn't an opiate.
@@alligatormonday6365 I feel that, I seek sex but I don't even enjoy it anymore. I feel like I'm trying to find intimacy but I don't know how. I hate this.
@@MrJimShorts Totally agree. I only remember one joke I laughed at from the recent Chappelle Netflix special ("Brenda, I ain't no n***er either..." and it was mostly the delivery rather than the joke itself, which you could see coming from a mile away). And I can't get rid of the feeling that the guy is there for the sole purpose of making me laugh. Especially when it's multiple short contrived setups and punchlines you don't care about ("I went to the sex shop the other day...", "A buddy of mine has this huge German Shepherd...", "You ever wonder why people at the vegan aisle..."). The interaction between people and the unintended things happening are the best part for me, usually. The YMH Joey Diaz 10-minute leg story was funny because Pazitsky was getting progressively more and more outraged and disgusted and it culminated in an obscene joke that made Segura spit his water out. The funniest moment in Nick and Stav's Auschwitz Announcer bit was when Nick's character ran out of jokes ("The ovens? Hmmm..."). Such a beautiful and surreal moment (the whole bit was). Or Norm setting Andy Dick up with "a 9/11 call from Johnny Carson" with Andy crying with laughter. Also agree on sitcoms. Comfy setting, comfy characters in humorous situations. But not exactly laugh riots (especially if you remove the laugh track).
The whole point of being a comedian was not to have a 9-5 job. These guys took the risk but our generation wasn’t taught to take risks we were taught to “be ourselves” in a society that says one thing but doesn’t practice it.
It's kind of sad nick feels so bad, coz honestly he could be one of the best comics, he has a really unique sense of humour. It's kind of sad but also heartwarming hearing stav trying to build nick up a little
i've been listening to this podcast for half a decade and this rant is about watching your life drip away that just hit me harder than i expected...im gay
@@realericanderson Nah, you can't just only do escapism, it's nice to relax once in a while, but you can't evade reality all the time, your life will just suck more and more if you keep doing that.
Online it says nick is 47, Adam is 40, and stav is 32. I know it has to be wrong but I can’t stop thinking about it since I discovered it last night. It’s like a situation from a sequel to the Orphan or something
I do agree that too many people obsess over childhood, but there is a non-damaging way to do that. As a kid i knew a few local dads who had a "train table" for them the fun wasnt "TOY TRAIN!" in fact theyd really only run the trains if a bunch of their kids friends were over. For them the joy was in creating model houses, bushes, people... realistic scenery. At its base, toy trains are a childs thing... but they became a somewhat acceptable upper-middle class dad thing to do because it gave them this creative outlet, and maybe their kids could marvel at it.
This shit has aged like a fine wine as the milennials get older, they dont have a mid life crisis like the boomers because their whole life is a mid life crisis.
it is economic though, the root is economic. TVs, computers, smartphones, videogames etc. have all gotten WAY better and WAY cheaper while the cost of housing, food, gas, utilities, education etc. has skyrocketed and wages have been stagnant for 50 fucking years while unemployment explodes from automation, of course millennials are depressed "failures" and living with their parents playing videogames and tweeting all day, wishing they were 12 years old again. We would all be buying houses and starting families and businesses and buying cars and boats and going on vacation if we had even a fraction of the opportunities our parents had when they were young. I've talked to so many boomers about their early work experience and the memes are accurate they all walked into easy peasy bullshit jobs with no education or experience and got paid the equivalent of at least 30/hr in today's money. I met a dude who got handed a warehouse inventory job literally right out of highschool and got paid the equivalent of 100/hr to count motor parts all day and he quit cause he was bored fuck these boomers and the nightmare society they created. Don't even get me started on climate change and retirement I'll just say every peer I've talked to has admitted they plan to blow their brains out before they hit 60
Took a guitar class in high school about 5 years about. Literally every dude that I talked to in there was depressed/talked to me about suicide or killing themselves if things didn't work out at a certain point in life. I'm no different.
Its an unfortunate truth, im studying politics & society in college rn and if there is one thing ive learned thats corroborated and agreed upon by everyone its that the economy controlls effectivley everything.
@Lucas I know this sounds like fucking boomer “I walked into the CEO’s office and demanded a job and he gave me one” advice but I’ve found that after you’ve submitted your application calling the location and asking to speak to the hiring manager and telling them your name and asking them to please be on the lookout for your application dramatically increases your chances of getting hired, like you said putting a face or even just a voice to the name really sets you apart from the hundreds of other applications
I'm definitely losing interest in everything I used to like. Movies, video games, music, even weed. I find myself smoking weed and watching TV while in bed because it's at least more enjoyable than working at my shitty job. All I know is I don't enjoy these activities as much as I used to. But then I start feeling things like "How can anyone care about anything? How do they hold interest? And if nobody cares about anything, how could they care about me? What do I have to offer anyone?" I'm 35. My dad had kids at this age. He raised a family. Most people my age already have started families. I feel like all the destruction I've done to my mind and body (my teeth especially) from over a decade of drug addiction has made me undesirable. Shit I wouldn't want to date me, and it feels like it's pointless to even bother trying to improve things because all I've ever experienced in life is things progressively getting worse. The only living thing in my life I care about is my dog, and I feel like when he inevitably dies I'm not going to be able to cope and will end up killing myself. And just like when my parents died suddenly in 2015, only a select few people will even care, and in a few days they'll go on with their lives as though I never existed.
I mean, I’m not gonna pretend I don’t have similar existential dread and nihilistic sentiments…. But come on. All you do aside from work is smoke weed, lay in bed and watch movies and TV shows? And you wonder why you’re completely numb and dead inside? Try doing something. Learn an instrument, try developing new skills, volunteer somewhere. My god. People do literally nothing but work and passively consume entertainment and wonder why they hate being alive. How is this a mystery?
To be honest I think it's a pretty natural thing to always gravitate to the art/media you grew up with. My parents still like 70's music more than any other era, same for my grandparents with 50's music. Because the thing is, pre-capitalism, stylistic evolution in art was a very slow and organic process. Unlike today where new trends, styles and genres rise and fall every year. So I don't really see being forever caught up in the fickle and constantly fluctuating world of media as being a natural or mature frame of mind.
@@namedidii Yeah, and? Everything I just said still applies to Pokemon and Mario Kart. If you love a song your whole life because you grew up with it, why would the games you grew up with be any different? Maybe it's not cool in your eyes, but it's still pretty banal and normal.
@@Ryan-Petre I'm assuming he grew up pre-mario-kart and he's one of the 'mature' people you mention... For him it's 'outrun' or you're a godless heathen. Incase the subtlty is lost btw, i disagree that being 'stuck in your ways' in terms of taste is a mark of maturity -- it's the opposite. Preference is fine, but to avoid exposure under the guise of maturity makes no sense to me. But i make no judgement for how people choose to consume their media :)
@@Stiltonator Well, I wouldn't advocate for anyone to turn a blind eye to new media because you can always learn something from newer stuff, and maybe "mature" was the wrong word. However, I think if you go and talk to pretty much any seasoned film director and ask them their favourite films, usually what you'll hear is movies from *their* era or earlier. You can like newer stuff, but I think most people outside of trend chasers are comfortable to rest on their baseline influences.
Grim Snark The word dysphoria covers a lot of terrain here. Careers, respect, accomplishments, etc. Idk if it's an existential crisis en masse, though.
I know he's probably fucking around, but Nick's summary on adulthood is so spot on for many folks. At least sometimes and I include myself in the latter category
“You can’t continue being 11yr for the rest of your life” realest statement ever... as a person who still socially thinks like a middle schooler, I agree
Entirely agree with Nick. Nostalgia is a sickening feeling for me, I don't like it. This rant for instance, it's apparently been 5 years since I first heard it. Time flies.
Nick is in that place where he's questioning the meaning of adulthood and it could cause him too act out and do something dumb. That's why Cumia got married. To prove to the guys at the bar that he wasn't a kid.
He's unfilled because he lives in a emotionally disconnected shithole with middling friends and a meh relationship. Things he'd see and get out of or never be put into in the first place if he didn't have shitty parents or was american.
This bit is another in why Stav bounced. He should have worked out something better such as taking a step back and only occasionally appearing on the show but to cut ties completely means there was way more than we have heard.
i had that exact "old simpsons episodes" experience when i and a bunch of people were partying at a friend's place over the weekend (the house he grew up in that he bought from his parents, no less), and when we got up the next day everyone else wanted to watch Back to the Future. I was a good sport but about 10 minutes into the movie I started to feel feverish and anxious because it was like witnessing all of our souls getting trapped in amber. In retrospect I should have said I needed a walk to get me going for the day or something.
i exaggerated a little to make it seem important, feeling worried you've peaked is not an "anxiety attack" any more than being sad about losing touch with someone is depression
People that live in warzones dont have theese problems. When survival is guranteed, and you simultaneously dont have any meaningful struggle, people just coast from one hedonistic high to the next.
It's a recurring theme in the show that Nick has convinced himself that any way people make themselves happy is "wrong" and his own bitter stagnant nihilist contrarianism is "right" and noble
The video of trains behind this symbolic of the passage of time and leaving your cherished memories at the station as you travel onward to new memories
I relate. During the most depressed periods of my life I would really start to hate on myself and anything I enjoyed in a pretty fucking similar way and I tried to pick up more what I saw as adult hobbies but then It wouldn't be long before I started to hate on those too and just increasingly seeing everything as a waste of time. Like the only thing that helps get out of this shit is picking up a more positive mindset or getting in a better place mentally where your not constantly just looking for excuses to put yourself down.
I used to feel content with what Stav says (Vice City and Hot pockets), but the things that sustained me up until the age of 29 suddenly stopped being effective. Like a switch was flipped. It's like I was thrown out of a Matrix pod. Nothing gives your life meaning. Nothing brings you joy.
I agree video games are a waste of time, even though I play sometimes myself. However, I don't really consider it a manchild thing. Prior to the 80s and 90s, no generation grew up with video games, so naturally they consider it a kid thing that you should stop doing once you grow up. Soon enough it will just be a thing you do, no matter your age. By the way, those older generations just fill their days with other but equally meaningless stuff, like watching tv or following some sports team. They're just different ways to forget about death.
Drowning yourself in substances and hedonism all the while being constantly openly depressed only because the social concept of "adulthood", is definitely a better lifestyle than just being into cartoons
This sounds like a an acid trip where the homie is like nah yeah fuck this and everyone's comforting them like nah man it's cool but they all know it aint
