My second attempt at the @backfire milk jug challenge. For those who asked, here's a link to the Bottle Rest I'm using www.bottlerest... Is this any better? 👇
That wind was BRUTAL!!!! I have issues with the wind affecting my groups on a 100 yard range but you were able to get consistent hits out to 600 yards in that kind wind. Nothing but respect from me.
I like that you are trying to keep it honest. You clearly understand long range shooting and use great equipment. To be fair, a short bipod and rear rest on level ground is pretty much the same as a bench like you said. It still isn't the Backfire challenge where you shoot up and down hill and have to improvise shooting positions to clear terrain and brush. I'd love to see you go on his channel and do it, I think you would do really well. I'm enjoying your 1 cold shot a day elk challenge too.
shooting as a teen we were taught to to put a 8 inch target up moving it out 50 yards at a time , first time you miss that is your range from the prone kneeling and standing positions , to gain the accuracy you have shown takes practice which most hunters don't do until hunting season
Definitely more hits than Mike the Marine. Probably more than Jim could do, I imagine. As you said, the wind makes even the best shooters go awry. So, yeah, part of judicious shooting is waiting for the right wind. Others have said that you cannot always wait for wind while hunting. I say, yes you can. Just like we wait for the right distance. Another good show to watch is Texas Plinking. Guys with set-ups like this and even more expensive get out there and get humbled by the wind, lucky to make one shot in 10. Waiting for an animal to get within the range of your shooting system's capability. That may mean deciding to not shoot. My primary activity is hunting. And I hunt on public land that has tall grass and lots of trees. So, I cannot rely on prone. I carry a tripod, sometimes with just the Y rest but sometimes with the clamp. I use the clamp to hold the rifle and free my hands. But I will loosen the clamp when it is time to shoot so that the recoil moves properly. Which means resting the but against my shoulder. No way to hold a rest or bag on a tripod in the field. Also, I will sometimes dry fire practice off-hand for spooking a deer at less than 50 yards. Start high and let gravity bring you into the moment of the center of target. That being said, it is better to wait for a supported shot.
I was probably one of the first to point out in the first video that it wasn’t in the spirit of the challenge…… this video is just BA’d regardless any comments one could leave!! Great shooting!
I see the point about the bench....to a point. However, those of us who hunt all over use a variety of situations to tag game. I agree, when I saw your first video I said to myself, at least he's shooting every jug at the furthest distance so I felt like that was offset by using a bench. That said, when I hunt down south (if you call it hunting), I sit in a shooting blind with a built in bench where I can sit comfortably, have my rifle resting ready on a bipod and rear bag, and take a shot out to 620 yards on our longest bean field. If I'm in WY or CO, I almost always shoot prone with a bipod. I think part of Jim's challenge was to put yourself in as close a hunting situation as you can. I could be wrong because after all it was a "shooting" challenge.
Good video. Don't pay any attention to the backfire cry babies. Those guys that follow him are funny. Putting it nicely. Keeping in mind that he thinks an MOA rifle is a "myth". ha ha...
I don't recall him saying they're a myth. Just that many shooters claim to have a sub-MOA rifle but can't shoot a sub-MOA group when money is on the line. I tend to agree with him.
You might try 2 or 3 wraps of duct tape around your head and the stock to learn to stay on the rifle after the shot breaks. I have a buddy with the same problem.
If youre worried about ranging the wrong thing, get a scope with a reticle that allows for measuring the height of objects. You know the dimensions of the milk jug, you can measure in mils or MOA and figure out your range perfectly with a simple equation. Milk jug is 9.76" tall so in mils, youd divide the known height by the height of the jug in mils. Say it measures 1.2 mils tall so its 9.76/1.2 = 8.13. Then you multiply that by 27.78 so 8.13 * 27.78 = 226 yds. MOA is similar, take the heigh of the jug 9.76 and divide it by height in MOA. Say its 3MOA so 9.76/3 = 3.25 and you multiply that by 95.5 so 3.25 * 95.5 = 311 yds. Its free if you have a reticle that can measure it and it will not have any issues with accidentally lasing the wrong spot.
Good video and shooting. A LOT OF FOLKS in the comments can no longer be taken seriously. To many brats trying to be either controversial or funny! They always will complain about something. Prone, In a blind, off a tree limb, on a bench, gun across a fence post, sitting with your knees up and rifle resting atop are all ways to hunt. There is no "BEST" way. You done well and proved the point. And yes, a big problem with Accurate rangefinding is the terrain itself. Terrain will always look one way from the shooters perspective UNTIL, you stand up and start walking towards the object you were rangefinding. LOOKS TOTALLY DIFF and your range finder could have been ranging anything in the vacinity as you stated. and you can be off by 40+ yrds easy. It depends on where you hunt
Elk caught me with no rest or bipod or a shot with one at 170 to 220yds last year. Had to free hand 12lb rifle in hurry. Thought I had great high shoulder shot when rifle went off. Hit 8" right and 3" lower that I believed. Elk could have stepped forward also. Took that 12lb rifle out 20 times and after 2hrs hiking I hated that heavy weight. Arm's started cramping. Sling same thing. Weight would get off balance. Great shooting by the way!
What type of rifle were you shooting? I was just wondering if it was a " long range " thick barrel or if it was just the model of rifle. Thank you for the information. By the way, did you change rifles, and if so what did you buy?
I enjoyed the part 1 of this and left a comment. Of my sixty years of hunting experience i have yet to kill anything off a bipod. For most of it was because they werent around and over the last ten years of carrying one with me ( I use a detachable) i havent had the oppoutunity. Having said that, it is no criticism of what i just watched you accomplish. Hats off brother in arms, i know what kind of trigger time and shooting knowledge it takes to do what you just did. 90*/. of the comment folks couldnt. POA Precision Rifles LLC.
@@elevationrifles hi thanks for that and getting back to me looked like a nice rifle and a fair energy delivery on your furthest away target thanks for posting it all the best 👍
Ok, I watched the first video and had no problems with what you did. I can agree that the bench rest would be considered cheating. As a side note-I predicted to myself that you would hit 60% and wouldn’t you know it-I was right! Anyway- before watching this one I’m calling it for 80%. Don’t let me down😂
Ha! I was wrong! 90% is really good! Enjoyed both videos and I am really liking the idea of the bottle rest. I have been considering the best way to support the rifle on backpack hunts without carrying a heavy rear bag and making the pack heavier. The bottle rest seems like it would work awesome! Going to order one.
There is not a doubt your a very good shot and know your rifle an scope well! But the backfire challenge was that nobody could hit 100 out of 100 with factory hunting rifle and factory ammunition at random yardages. 🤷♂️ like I said earlier though you are a very good shot and even proved backfires theory to be true even with a custom rifle an carefully handloaded ammunition good video I enjoyed it and thought you were going to do it an bust em all!
Put 100 jugs at 100 yards and take shots from different positions ang I'll bet you'd miss.. that backfire was a ridiculous challenge setup like Prs match not a hunt
@Rackpack-mb4ml your right it was a ridiculous challenge. It was only made a challenge due to trolls making ridiculous statements of what they could do so he called them out on it an only one of 6 was willing to make a fool of himself on video 🤣🤣 . As to the challenge you put forth though being know yardage an exactly 100yds and just changing to a different position is a doable challenge I would even be willing to try that!🤷♂️
If your on grass ranging the feet works. If you live in the western us (aka Utah where the challenge was) there is sage brush and that doesn't really work if you are not elevated. Flat sage brush is the worst to try and range find in, imo.
This is the 3rd video of the challenge that I have watched,the first guy showed up with a 300 Win(what was he thinking)he embarrassed himself.The 2nd guy was shooting a Tika Light 7RM with factory ammo,he started out OK,but did not let his rifle cool enough.I own 3 mag.rifles and won't shoot more than 3 shoots at one time because they start spreading out (light weight hunting rifles with thin barrels)3 should be enough in a hunting situation!
This is what I wanted to see 👍 not can you land every opportunity at a shot out to 600, but can you ethically hunt out to 600 and the answer is a definite yes for you... Original challenge totally missed the point of ethics IMO, sometimes you just gotta wait for the wind and let something walk away.
This is target shooting. Get a climbing tree stand, a face away that doesn't have a rest, and then try and make a good hit on a southern white tail size kill zone at just 300 yards. That's what most people encounter. Not this nonsense of waiting on the wind and dialing scopes.
Its not a milk jug challenge. Its a real world hunting one shot one kill scenario challenge. Multiple unpredictable shooting positions in various terrain at various ranges. Where you have to set up, range, adjust and take a single shot to make a clean ethical kill on an animal wirh vitals about the size if a milk jug.
I understand waiting but who truly cares if you miss except some piehole on a keyboard. learning to read wind and knowing your loads and rifle are the best skill . but darn good shooting young man, remember distance is not the issue it is the wind. from a place they'll never see comes sound they'll never hear
Actually prone shooting is unaided. Pretty flat landscape, we just don't having hunting conditions like this. The latest Backfire update video replicates hunting conditions in the west. This is target shooting, imo
Like anything else, with practice you can do this, saw a little girl with daddies, 6.5x284 at 600 yards putting the bullets threw the same hole on the steal plate. How can she do this?? she has had no one tell her she can not, and she shoots alot, Practice, is all you need. and in time most of you can pull this off. I would say great shooting with such wind.
The backfire contest did not use the same position. However, you did pretty well in what you were trying to achieve. By the different positions he was changing elevation during the contest just adding to the difficulty of the challenge.
I would have to agree with Chris. A hunting scenario is much different and especially if you’re talking about walking the hills for elk. An ethical animal shot is not the same range on an unlimited time range shot. If you all want to humble yourself, sign up for a rifle competition. That’s when you will feel pressure of unknown distances and setting up steady shot.
Wasn't it supposed to be 600 yards and in??? You sort of made your own challenge, not the original one. All and all - good shooting, but not apples to apples though....
