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Not even close to the same. Backfire challenge was unknown distances out to 600 yards. Plus improvised rests one would find while hunting. Have you ever hunted? I have never seen anyone carry a shooting bench along on a hunting trip.
I think both this and the original miss the point... The goal is ethical hunting at 600 so the shot should be ideal Hunting conditions, not a heap of random shots nobody would consider because they can't get a good range in the scrub. Wide open field, slightly elevated and prone, cool with little to no breeze and with a big game size target to range off and goal of hitting a 8" target on that animal. One of the other guys that done the challenge made that exact point that in ideal conditions he had taken animals out to that range but the challenge given to them on the day was far from ideal with a heap of wind, scrub and milk size targets 🤷♂️ who huts for milk jugs.
If youre worried about ranging the wrong thing, get a scope with a reticle that allows for measuring the height of objects. You know the dimensions of the milk jug, you can measure in mils or MOA and figure out your range perfectly with a simple equation. Milk jug is 9.76" tall so in mils, youd divide the known height by the height of the jug in mils. Say it measures 1.2 mils tall so its 9.76/1.2 = 8.13. Then you multiply that by 27.78 so 8.13 * 27.78 = 226 yds. MOA is similar, take the heigh of the jug 9.76 and divide it by height in MOA. Say its 3MOA so 9.76/3 = 3.25 and you multiply that by 95.5 so 3.25 * 95.5 = 311 yds. Its free if you have a reticle that can measure it and it will not have any issues with accidentally lasing the wrong spot.
Maybe you should learn to shot from field positions instead of using bipods. It would have been interesting how you do shooting both rifles from bipod and from leaning at a tree. This is comparing apples to oranges.
There's a few holes in your theory....1 is the size of your targets....2 is realistic hunting conditions, now if you try to shoot a Springbuck or a oryx at 800+ yards you have one shot not 3 so a group doesn't translate to where you hit the vitals of a animal...fact is... at the cost of wounding a animal and paying for it ,you will rack up a huge bill and go home with no trophy or meat and a bank balance way in the minus... sharpen your hunting skills, outsmart the animals and get close!!!
Some more load development would be cool as well. Getting a decent load figured out without burning through hundreds of dollars in components. I liked the one video you did on it. Going to try that again when I get my 7 PRC back from getting re-barreled.
How do I set my Leupold RX1600 tbrw for the 6.5 Creedmoor with 130 gr ELD match , at 2700 fps acording to the reloading manual. I dont have a chronograph.
Nice work! hey if you ever need help with a video let me know and ill come down if I'm around , also I have a brand new 7mm Rem mag I won at your raffle two years ago ,its still in the box just haven't set it up yet I wouldn't mind setting it up sometime , what's a good setup for that gun?
Listen Apples to Oranges ..... Different rifles shoot different , different ammo shoots different. You dont need to explain your self. Do you homie. Good video bad acting though lol
What I see on your website is a factory seekins PH2 with average quality Vortex glass, rings, a brake and a case and about $2k in added fees. Also, long range hunting requires ethics very similar to bowhunting. Not everyone can shoot a bow accurately at 80yds and therefore shouldn't. If you're going to take shots at long ranges you should know your capabilities out to those ranges and not exceed them. I can ring steel at a grand pretty regularly but I'm not going to engage an animal at that range.
One thing I don’t see here is any mention of bullets at a giving distance. I am not an expert but not all bullets will expand correctly once they fall below a given velocity. This means out at long distances the velocity falls down to a point that the bullet wont expand and do it’s job to create a kill shot but only a wound or a prolonged agonizing death. This is also a part of the ethical hunt. Clean kills. Whenever I hear the word judge or judgment it’s usually coming from someone doing something questionable. My opinion is worth what you’re paying for it but there’s to me there’s hunting and then there’s shooting. I feel it’s important and that we owe it to the animals we pursue to make clean one shot kills. If you can do that at 800 bravo, not many can. Some is the limitations of the equipment, some is buck fever and some is just trying to do something we’re not really able to do. Shooting from a bench at steel is one thing, in the field over a log or prone on the ground at an animal that is unpredictable at to how long it will be in a given place etc. is totally another. Happy hunting all.
Change the distance often, and the shooting angle too if you can. Shoot uphill and downhill at the steepest angle you can. Put obstructions in the way so that only part of the elk is showing. Just have FUN!
I always enjoy shooting videos like this, but in most cases, they don't relate to the kind of shooting challenges I face when hunting in the coastal mountains of Oregon. Everyone shooting long range fights the wind, but here, we have to deal with shooting uphill or downhill and with changes in elevation and temperature. Nothing is ever the same for long around here, so the perfect scope settings you used early this morning will probably only get you close later in the day. The variables are enough to make you crazy sometimes. Also, I don't want to be disrespectful to great shooters like Erik Cortina, but we don't shoot with six-thousand-dollar custom rifles. We shoot off the shelf hunting rifles. I guess it's all fun, no matter how you do it!
Wow. GREAT series. One additional thing that would have added another layer of complexity would be to have imposed a time limit of 40-45 seconds to range the deer, make the turret adjustment, and then shoot.
You are missing a ton of factors in long range shooting. Adrenaline, fatigue, breathing, heart rate, wind calls, shifting wind, angles, bullet flight time, an animal that can move a half step at any time and other variations have an effect on your accuracy. Wind and the animal moving are gonna cause more wounded animals than anything. I could care less how accurate you can be on a bench at 800. I can hit 10 inch steel at 900 with a 16" 308 all day... on a range with a spotter and wind meter. You send anyone, myself included, on a 5-mile hike, put a trophy animal in front of them and i guarantee 80 percent or more won't hit that 10 inch circle on the first shot at 900 with mild variable winds. I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm saying there's too many uncontrollable variables to claim 800 yard shots on animals is ethical. It's an extreme risk unless you have nearly zero wind and have a shooting position just like you do at the range. This can happen, but it's not often.
I think as others have pointed out... You missed the point of the challenge. Unknown distances, obscured targets, no bench or other hard emplacements, timed shots, etc.
Its not a milk jug challenge. Its a real world hunting one shot one kill scenario challenge. Multiple unpredictable shooting positions in various terrain at various ranges. Where you have to set up, range, adjust and take a single shot to make a clean ethical kill on an animal wirh vitals about the size if a milk jug.
No acting go watch my video that I did in response to this. Also I wouldn’t use the only name that saves your soul as a swear word. Thanks for the comment.
Your bagged up long range shooting was pretty good. But holyjeepers never seen anyone fake recoil before. As a guy who hunts an uncompensated, 06' that's sub 7.5lbs with scope, sling and bipod attached, and regularly shoots 180's that was just the weirdest thing I've ever seen. Also this NRA fuddlore squeeze slowly, don't ever know when the rifles going off nonsense needs to die. It is a technique that literally only works bagged to the max on static targets. If you're going to be shooting offhand you need to know when your gun is going off so it fires when it's aimed at your target, not somewhere adjacent to it. You can shoot good groups without a bunch of gear, but you need to be practicing trigger control, i.e. controlling when the gun goes off without pulling the shot. The gear and the 20 sec trigger squeeze may let you skip some fundamentals, but they won't replace them.
What rifle packages do you offer in left hand? Are you building the rifles or buying a rifle and putting the package together with handloads or how does this work? Thanks
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He was talking about the difference between line of sight and angular distance to target. It’s an A squared x B squared = C squared equation. Most rangefinders have a setting that does this equation for you. If you’re shooting at an upwards or downwards angle, your line of sight will be greater than your horizontal distance to target. Gravity only affects the bullet over the horizontal distance. It doesn’t care about the angle. Obviously, the added distance will affect your bullet slightly due to wind resistance, but the adjustment is minimal and most people ignore it.
The Elevation DOPE charts are for what Altitude you are shooting at. From sea level up to Mountain elevation. A good Range Finder automatically does angles for you if you put it on the correct settings.
This was extremely informative for me for the kind of hunting I do. It gave me confirmation of several ideas I had, and also gave me some new ideas. Thanks for doing this.
Thank you for your videos using various equipment and positions for shooting. I plan on doing a western elk hunt this fall and these definitely give me things to think about. Keep the honest content coming.
30-06 isn't the best round for long range, but the "sniper style" 7 Prc loaded with the same weight projo is in the same ball park as the 06 ballistically ? Is the 7 Prc more economical because it burns less powder than the 06, Yes. Is it more accurate at long range with custom handloads fired out of a sniper style rifle, No.
My number with the 7prc vs an 06 . An 06 with a 185 gn bullet will drop 30 Moa and drift approximately 80 inches in a 10 mph wind . A 7 prc with a 175 will drop approximately 24 Moa and drift 55 inches .
@@elevationrifles If you compare factory loaded rounds in the same weight range the numbers aren't that far apart, especially using projos with close G1 and velocity. 06 also feeds better and has hardly any recoil.(Sorry, couldn't resist :~) The 06 has ammo availability and cost in it's favor. The 7SAUM has it's place, but it's far from superior to the 06. I enjoy watching your videos, but will agree to disagree.
